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29. "Bullshit, bullshit...."
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>#1. Just because people don't subsidize
>a poor community doesn't mean
>they don't give back.

No...it doesn't. However...if you have an entire faction of a community that is still sufferring the psychological trauma of slavery...and you don't attack the root of that problem...then you're building on a fucked up foundation. The Black community needs to be taught self-reliance. The Asian community knows it. The Arabic community knows it. Nigerians, Ethiopians...all other immigrants that come to America know it...except the African American.

>#2. Study economics, it's not really
>possible for any Business to
>just do Business with one
>type of people. Whites can
>sort of do it, but
>that's because they're the biggest
>chunk of the population. It's
>not really possible for Blacks,
>we need to bring in
>economic strength from outside the
>community by selling goods &
>services and working with White
>Businesses.

Working with white businesses is like returning the guns to the master, point blank. The Black community has no idea the consumption powers that they have. Fuck bringing in outside help...I'm tired of begging for shit we should have in the first place. Someone has to engender that creative spark within our community by rebuilding the foundation. Self sufficiency. You speak very virtously...you must not live within blocks of rampant crack and prostitution. I do.

>#3. A Rich Athlete giving 80%
>of his 200 million dollar
>contract in the form of
>loans and subsidies isn't neccessarily
>going to do anything but
>teach people to live off
>of susidies. What needs to
>happens it that people have
>to get a point where
>they don't need help. E.g.
>Black Farmers don't need to
>be subsidized, Small Business Owners
>can fend for themselves, etc.
>
>
>Furthermore, folks are still going to
>be salty.....because that athlete is
>going to have to evaluate
>each application and make sure
>he can get his money
>back....AND he doesn't have money
>like a Bank......so he can
>only give so many loans.

What makes you think that all that will be given is susbidies. I didn't say that you just give away your money. That's stupidity. You CULTIVATE your capital to build a stronger foundation. Say you build a supermarket in your neighborhood, employing people within the neighborhood...and using the profits to establish other neighborhood programs. This is for the betterment of where you live, right? THIS ALL STARTS WITH CAPITAL!! Who's gonna give you that shit....the government? BWAHAHAHAHAAHA....never happen.
>
>
>A Rich Athlete subsidizing folks, does
>not teach self reliance, It
>teaches "look for a handout".
>Human Nature, if you start
>giving out dough and not
>making people work for it
>or teaching them how to
>make it themselves......you'll get taken
>advantage of and in the
>end....you're the one in trouble.
>
>
>Just Ask Hammer.....who tried to subsidize
>his community....giving money away....giving people
>jobs just because, etc......he gave
>too much and went bankrupt.

But I respect Hammer. Hammer would not have gone bankrupt if other mufuckas stepped up and put their money where their mouth is. AND...Hammer is a very bad example. Hammer bought into the extravagant lifestyle as well...he created a spectacle that was just a money gobbling machine. True, he employed his boys...but what lasting social impact did he leave? When did he ever take a stance on anything?
>
>
>
>#4. Why should rich Blacks take
>it upon themselves to personally
>finance the economic elevation of
>others? They can lend *some*
>support & *some* economic help...but
>you're asking them to just
>finance it all together. Life
>doesn't work that way, people
>may help you, but you
>gotta do it yourself.

SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO TAKE THE WEIGHT. That same mentality that you are spitting is the reason why shit doesn't change? WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO DO SUCH AND SUCH...I WORKED HARD FOR THIS SHIT...THIS IS MY SHIT...I DON'T OWE NOBODY SHIT!!! Bullshit...you owe us everything. You us for every stitch of clothing with your name we purchase...for ever single you dropped...you owe us. America teaches its citizens that their only responsibility is their own accountablility. I know mad grassroots people who soldier on the level that they can afford trying to bring about a new way of living...imagine how much easier it would be if a highly visible public figure assisted. I can tell you it won't be JESSE JACKSON...he's too busy fighting bullshit causes.

>
>Furthermore, it's their money......why can't they
>enjoy it....particularly when giving back
>on the level you want.....would
>
>
>Rich Blacks should be teaching poor
>Blacks how to do it
>themselves, not writing them a
>check.


How do you teach a poor Black man to fend for himself if you don't set the example? Teach him how to dunk if you're an athlete? Act if you're an actor? Those are god-given talents...GOD-GIVEN!!! If you are not returning the fruits to God (The Most High is represented in his people)...then you're wasting that shit.

>#5. Let's be real, if you're
>going to invest in a
>poor community (without gentrifying it
>and forcing some folks out)
>you could loss your money....it's
>hard to get a return
>on your investment in an
>economically depressed area.

Yes you do. You stand to lose everything. Every fucking thing you ever owned. It could blow up in your face...you could get jacked for your money by disreputable people...yes you could.

But if you don't take the chance...what have you done? I mean...what have you done other than secure YOURSELF over the security of the WHOLE? That's America at its best, huh? That's what we want kids to grow up to think? Not mine, yo. Not mine.

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Fuck Athletes.... [View all] , DivineVersatile, Fri May-11-01 04:22 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
using that logic
May 11th 2001
1
addendum/caveat
May 11th 2001
2
true, true n/m
May 14th 2001
48
ToO mUcH lIkE rIgHt...
May 11th 2001
3
Stop judging
May 11th 2001
4
      Bullshit...
May 11th 2001
5
           And in addition...
May 11th 2001
9
           6 years ago in brooklyn
May 11th 2001
22
You really should check
May 11th 2001
6
None of ur concern
MrIdontgiveafuckalupugus
May 11th 2001
7
Yes it is my concern...
May 11th 2001
10
      RE: Yes it is my concern...
MrIdontgiveafuckalupugus
May 11th 2001
20
      That wasn't directed at you.
May 11th 2001
21
      RE: Yes it is my concern...
May 11th 2001
28
           See what you get?
May 11th 2001
31
Fine Line(s)
May 11th 2001
8
good point
May 14th 2001
51
fuck socialist rhetoric
May 11th 2001
11
but...
May 11th 2001
13
      TOUCHE Monsieur Pussycat!!
May 11th 2001
18
      RE: but...
May 11th 2001
19
      from each... to each...
May 11th 2001
23
           you're smarter than this
May 11th 2001
24
                No, you're smarter than that.
May 11th 2001
25
                     Laying it thick?
May 11th 2001
27
                     responding in kind
May 11th 2001
30
                          What's wrong with Left...
May 11th 2001
32
                               RE: What's wrong with Left...
May 11th 2001
34
                     bullshit
May 11th 2001
35
                          do you people even know
May 11th 2001
37
                               you asked for it, punk
May 11th 2001
38
                                    dumbass
May 11th 2001
39
                                         okay benji
May 11th 2001
40
                                              It's amazing
May 12th 2001
41
                                                   first of all...
May 12th 2001
42
                                                        cool, man
May 12th 2001
43
                                                             and believe me
May 12th 2001
44
damn
May 11th 2001
12
was thinking
May 11th 2001
14
Finally!!
May 11th 2001
16
9 mil out of 10 mil...
May 14th 2001
56
RE: Fuck Athletes....
tresmyman
May 11th 2001
15
I said "Fuck Atheletes"
May 11th 2001
17
      RE: I said "Fuck Atheletes"
tresmyman
May 14th 2001
49
      RE: I said "Fuck Atheletes"
necromancer1300
May 16th 2001
65
RE: Fuck Athletes....
May 11th 2001
26
      A lesson in economics is in order
May 11th 2001
33
           I'm not replying...
May 11th 2001
36
           One would tend to agree
May 14th 2001
50
                Agreed.
May 14th 2001
59
           mostly agree...
May 14th 2001
52
                RE: mostly agree...
May 14th 2001
58
                     felt n/m
May 15th 2001
62
Still no black bank.
May 14th 2001
45
What??
May 14th 2001
46
2 much like
May 14th 2001
47
      Yep!!!!!!
May 14th 2001
53
           Seaway came to mind.
May 14th 2001
54
United Bank
May 14th 2001
55
      RE: United Bank
May 14th 2001
57
           Damn shame
May 14th 2001
60
                RE: Damn shame
May 14th 2001
61
                     Citizen Trust
May 15th 2001
63
                          No Argument here....
May 15th 2001
64

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