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54. "Objectivity"
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Akwaaba

Main Entry: 1ob·jec·tive
Pronunciation: &b-'jek-tiv, äb-
Function: adjective
Date: 1620
1 a : relating to or existing as an object of thought without consideration of independent existence -- used chiefly in medieval philosophy b : of, relating to, or being an object , phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers : having reality independent of the mind <objective reality> <our reveries... are significantly and repeatedly shaped by our transactions with the objective world -- Marvin Reznikoff> -- compare SUBJECTIVE 3a c of a symptom of disease : perceptible to persons other than the affected individual -- compare SUBJECTIVE 4c d : involving or deriving from sense perception or experience with actual objects , conditions, or phenomena <objective awareness> <objective data>
2 : relating to, characteristic of, or constituting the case of words that follow prepositions or transitive verbs
3 a : expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations <objective art> <an objective history of the war> <an objective judgment> b of a test : limited to choices of fixed alternatives and reducing subjective factors to a minimum
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If you want to truly understood Afrakan thought, you must (at least temporarily) set aside this emphasis on "objectivity." A synonym of "objective" is "material." Objectivity is based on things material which in turn is limited when discussing spiritual systems. This is not emphasized nor valued when concerning a thing's "importance" within Afrakan culture. Also "objectivity" is the end result of the "either/or" dichotomy within Western thought. This severely limits the perspective of the Divine among Afrakans.

And often claims at "objectivity" are false claims that people used to assert the validity and importance of their own beliefs.


>
>Response: But that makes it subjective.
>If I have a concept
>of God and you have
>a concept of God then
>there is no objective reasoning
>to agree with either one
>of us. My view of
>God is objective.It's not my
>own reasoning

Your view of God is objective TO YOU. It isn't your own reasoning but it is an ACCEPTED reasoning by people like yourself. A reasoning that is NOT accepted by ALL people. Therefore when considering every single person on the planet, your view of God IS SUBJECTIVE to only a certain number of people as MILLIONS of people do not accept that view of being true.

PEace
Solarus

***Words of Wisdom***

"Every time you rise from your sleeping state, you have been reincarnated. Every time you recover from a bad experience, you have been reincarnated. Every time you have been given a new lease on life, you have been reincarnated. Every time you breath in and out, take in the fresh breath of life and feel the divine intelligence flowing in and around you, you have been reincarnated."- Mfundishi Bakari

On "love":

"I am in love everyday, whether I am with someone or not. Why? All love is based on a search for spirit. For me love is timeless, transcendent, peaceful, freeing, soul-based, unifying, and enhanced evolution. This is the basis of my activism."- Nettrice, the embodiment of Oshun

"Since we all make up the rules as we go along, love can mean many different things to many different people. But, for me love is a total commitment to understanding that is not limited to just people but is open to the totality of life. As long as we approach love from a fear based mentality and perceive it through veils of guardedness and anxiety, it will always be restricted by our fears."- Mfundishi Bakari

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God is IMMANENT [View all] , Solarus, Sat Jul-07-01 01:42 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Thought in Action
Jul 07th 2001
1
RE: Thought in Action
DonQuijote
Jul 07th 2001
4
All of the Above
Jul 08th 2001
5
      confusion
DonQuijote
Jul 08th 2001
6
           I'll be back
Jul 17th 2001
24
RE: Thought in Action
KemetShakur
Jul 18th 2001
30
probably the dopest post you've done......
Jul 07th 2001
2
oh yeah...check your inbox.
Jul 07th 2001
3
Gnostics
Jul 08th 2001
7
RE: Gnostics
IllipticallyDefined
Jul 08th 2001
8
Diversity in ONE
Jul 09th 2001
9
Diversity in ONE(Cont.)
Jul 09th 2001
10
      good work
utamaroho
Jul 09th 2001
11
Umm...
Jul 10th 2001
12
*shaking head*
utamaroho
Jul 10th 2001
13
Wasn't going to say anything
Jul 10th 2001
14
      i can see you right now...
utamaroho
Jul 10th 2001
16
No disrespect
Jul 10th 2001
15
      hahahahahaha
utamaroho
Jul 10th 2001
17
Afrakan in the New world
Jul 10th 2001
18
up
Jul 11th 2001
19
Purpose of Rituals
Jul 11th 2001
20
this puts me in mind
Jul 18th 2001
35
Why is this post down???
Jul 12th 2001
21
Hell NO
Jul 16th 2001
22
RE: God is IMMANENT
Jul 16th 2001
23
I need to print this out
Jul 17th 2001
25
I have some questions
Jul 17th 2001
26
Answers
Jul 18th 2001
28
damn...
utamaroho
Jul 18th 2001
29
if I may...
Jul 18th 2001
33
word
utamaroho
Jul 18th 2001
34
it just aggravates me
Jul 18th 2001
36
RE: it just aggravates me
Jul 18th 2001
40
      thank u
Jul 19th 2001
42
           your welcolm
Jul 19th 2001
55
                I get that...
Jul 20th 2001
78
RE: word
Jul 18th 2001
39
RE: if I may...
Jul 18th 2001
38
      this is true...
Jul 19th 2001
43
           RE: this is true...
Jul 19th 2001
56
                RE: this is true...
Jul 20th 2001
79
objective proofs?
Jul 18th 2001
37
      limited view
Jul 19th 2001
41
      why can't he SEE that...
Jul 19th 2001
44
           the problem is........
Jul 19th 2001
45
                the thing is...
utamaroho
Jul 19th 2001
47
                this statement right here:
Jul 19th 2001
51
                     RE: this statement right here:
utamaroho
Jul 19th 2001
52
                very good example:
Jul 19th 2001
48
                Point taken
Jul 19th 2001
49
                I don't claim to be "afrikan"
Jul 19th 2001
50
      Concept
Jul 19th 2001
53
      RE: Concept
Jul 19th 2001
60
           The Scriptures are Subjective
Jul 19th 2001
64
           RE: The Scriptures are objective
Jul 19th 2001
67
                there are so many points in this response
utamaroho
Jul 19th 2001
68
                     the light is still on you
Jul 19th 2001
70
                          imagine this
utamaroho
Jul 19th 2001
71
                               RE: imagine this
Jul 19th 2001
73
           reprint.
Jul 19th 2001
65
                RE: reprint.
Jul 19th 2001
69
     
           RE: Objectivity
Jul 19th 2001
57
                GOD-FUCKING-DAMMIT!
utamaroho
Jul 19th 2001
58
                This reaction doesn't help.
Jul 19th 2001
59
                watch your language
Jul 19th 2001
61
                     you're right
utamaroho
Jul 19th 2001
62
                     Clarification
Jul 19th 2001
66
                          RE: Clarification
Jul 19th 2001
72
                RE: Objectivity
Jul 19th 2001
63
Not directed toward me but
Jul 18th 2001
31
      NO
Jul 18th 2001
32
Searching for Something That is Already Within
Jul 18th 2001
27
Thought for this HOLI-DAY
Jul 19th 2001
46
osoclasi
Jul 20th 2001
74
Correction
Jul 20th 2001
75
RE: osoclasi
Jul 20th 2001
76
Wonderful post.
Wise_7
Jul 20th 2001
77
^
Jul 26th 2001
80

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