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7. "Gnostics"
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(Christianity and Afraka PT 1 of 3)

The origins of Christianity are definitely debatable. Either one chooses to belief the Biblical account of Christianity’s origins, or they don’t. But what are not debatable are the formative years of Christianity being firmly located on the continent of Afraka. This includes the majority of the earliest, most influential patriarchs of the Christian church such as Origen (Egypt), Tertullian (Carthage/North Afraka), Augustine (Carthage/North Afraka), to name a few.

According to Egyptologist, Samuel Sharpe:
“At the end of the 3rd century, Hesychius of Alexandria had published a new edition of the Greek Bible with a corrected text, and such was the credit of Alexandria, as the chief seat of Christian learning, that all distant churches sent there for copies of the scriptures. When Constantine wanted copies of the Greek scriptures for Rome, he sent for them to Alexandria and received the approved text for Athanasius…Italy and the West acknowledged Egypt as their best instructess in all ecclesiastical matters. “

Considering the “God is IMMANENT” template that we established before, why did not the Afrakan patriarchs infuse this concept into Christianity? The answer is: they did. However it soon became “heretical.” In the beginning of the Common Era, which is distinguished as beginning at or shortly after the death of Jesus the Christ, Christianity already established in Egypt. Only by the second century CE (100 CE), did a clear delineation form between the mainstream Church and the “Gnostics.” The Gnostics believed all humans were divine and that salvation was reached through self-knowledge (gnosis). <- Clear effect of the “God is IMMANENT” concept and subsequently a carry-over from the belief systems of Ancient KMT,

see here: http://www.okayplayer.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1924&forum=DCForumID1&archive=yes#53

In the scholastic center of Alexandria, Egypt, Irenaeus and Titus Flavius Clemens, both of GREEK parentage, emerged as the leaders of the theological movement against Gnosticism, particularly against the Gnostic theologian, Valentinus of EGYPTIAN ancestry. (I emphasized their ancestry to highlight the basic cultural difference that would have influenced their positions. The "God is IMMANENT" concept is largely missing from the Western cultural ethos and thereby a Greek cultural ethos)

Not until the 325 when the Council of Nicea occurred and firmly established the Christianity and the state religion of the Roman Empire, was Gnosticism so vehemently attacked. The theological movement became one of murder, arrest and bloodshed. The Christian church had already destroyed the many of the temples of old KMT and now anyone opposing the new Christianized Roman Empire became targets of destruction. Much like the old “pagan” Roman Empire persecuted “Christians,” the new Christian (roman) empire (and subsequently “new Christians”) persecuted the “heretics.”

For further understanding, when studying the lives of the early patriarchs, the political implications of the stance against “heretics.” For instance, the general stance taken against Gnostics (Christian Gnostics or otherwise), one must understand how at the time believing in the divinity of oneself was detrimental to imperial rule. The church of the Roman Empire insured the “right” to rule of the emperor and established a hierarchal order to the faith. This church was beginning of papal authority that further developed later in the Catholic Church. Thus the idea of the divinity of oneself, negated the need for the church authority for salvation and the dictatorial rule of the emperor. Furthermore, the opponents of the acclaimed St. Augustine, the Donatists, were Christians who did not accept the papal rule of the Roman church. Augustine’s efforts against the Donatists significantly strengthened the authority of the Roman Church.

Let’s have a further look at “God is IMMANENT” concept among words of the Gnostics themselves and found in the Nag Hammadi Library, which is a collection of books found in earthen jars in a cave near what is now called Nag Hammadi, Egypt. Because of the Christian burning of the works used and/or written by Gnostics, much of their ideas had only been seen through the eyes of their mainstream Church opponents, until the finding of the Nag Hammadi texts.

“As for the incomprehensible, inconceivable one, the Father, the perfect one, the one who made the totality, within him is the totality and of him the totality has need. Although he retained their perfection within himself, which he did not give to the totality, the Father was not jealous. What jealously indeed (could there be) between himself and his members? For, if this aeon had thus received their perfection, they could not have come (…) the Father. He retains within himself their perfection, granting it to them as a return to him and a perfectly unitary knowledge. It is he who fashioned the totality, and within him is the totality and the totality was in need of him.” –Valentinus in The Gospel of Truth



“I will begin by invoking God, the Master and Maker and Father and Encompasser of all, who is both One and all things; not that the One is two, but these two are one; for the whole which is made up of all things is one. And I beg you keep this in mind, my King, throughout your study of my teaching. For if any one attempts to separate all things from the One, taking the term “all things” to signify a mere plurality of things, and not a whole made up of things, he will sever the All from the One, and will thereby bring to naught the All; but that is impossible. It needs must be that all things are one, if they exist (and they do exist, and never cease to exist), in order that the whole which is made up of them may not be dissolved.” Libellus XVI-Epistle of Asclepius to King Ammon from the _Corpus Hermeticum_ (This isn’t from the Nag Hammadi nor is it by Christian Gnostics. This is by Gnostics called Hermeticists but I thought it would be a good finisher!)

Further Reading:

_Nag Hammadi Library_ edited by James Robinson
_Hermetica_ edited by Walter Scott
_Egyptian Mythology and Egyptian Christianity with Their Influences on the Opinions of Modern Christendom_ by Samuel Sharpe
_The Donatist Church: A Movement of Protest in Roman North Africa_ by W.H.C. Frend

PEace
Solarus

***Words of Wisdom***

"Every time you rise from your sleeping state, you have been reincarnated. Every time you recover from a bad experience, you have been reincarnated. Every time you have been given a new lease on life, you have been reincarnated. Every time you breath in and out, take in the fresh breath of life and feel the divine intelligence flowing in and around you, you have been reincarnated."- Mfundishi Bakari

On "love":

"I am in love everyday, whether I am with someone or not. Why? All love is based on a search for spirit. For me love is timeless, transcendent, peaceful, freeing, soul-based, unifying, and enhanced evolution. This is the basis of my activism."- Nettrice, the embodiment of Oshun

"Since we all make up the rules as we go along, love can mean many different things to many different people. But, for me love is a total commitment to understanding that is not limited to just people but is open to the totality of life. As long as we approach love from a fear based mentality and perceive it through veils of guardedness and anxiety, it will always be restricted by our fears."- Mfundishi Bakari

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God is IMMANENT [View all] , Solarus, Sat Jul-07-01 01:42 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Thought in Action
Jul 07th 2001
1
RE: Thought in Action
DonQuijote
Jul 07th 2001
4
All of the Above
Jul 08th 2001
5
      confusion
DonQuijote
Jul 08th 2001
6
           I'll be back
Jul 17th 2001
24
RE: Thought in Action
KemetShakur
Jul 18th 2001
30
probably the dopest post you've done......
Jul 07th 2001
2
oh yeah...check your inbox.
Jul 07th 2001
3
RE: Gnostics
IllipticallyDefined
Jul 08th 2001
8
Diversity in ONE
Jul 09th 2001
9
Diversity in ONE(Cont.)
Jul 09th 2001
10
      good work
utamaroho
Jul 09th 2001
11
Umm...
Jul 10th 2001
12
*shaking head*
utamaroho
Jul 10th 2001
13
Wasn't going to say anything
Jul 10th 2001
14
      i can see you right now...
utamaroho
Jul 10th 2001
16
No disrespect
Jul 10th 2001
15
      hahahahahaha
utamaroho
Jul 10th 2001
17
Afrakan in the New world
Jul 10th 2001
18
up
Jul 11th 2001
19
Purpose of Rituals
Jul 11th 2001
20
this puts me in mind
Jul 18th 2001
35
Why is this post down???
Jul 12th 2001
21
Hell NO
Jul 16th 2001
22
RE: God is IMMANENT
Jul 16th 2001
23
I need to print this out
Jul 17th 2001
25
I have some questions
Jul 17th 2001
26
Answers
Jul 18th 2001
28
damn...
utamaroho
Jul 18th 2001
29
if I may...
Jul 18th 2001
33
word
utamaroho
Jul 18th 2001
34
it just aggravates me
Jul 18th 2001
36
RE: it just aggravates me
Jul 18th 2001
40
      thank u
Jul 19th 2001
42
           your welcolm
Jul 19th 2001
55
                I get that...
Jul 20th 2001
78
RE: word
Jul 18th 2001
39
RE: if I may...
Jul 18th 2001
38
      this is true...
Jul 19th 2001
43
           RE: this is true...
Jul 19th 2001
56
                RE: this is true...
Jul 20th 2001
79
objective proofs?
Jul 18th 2001
37
      limited view
Jul 19th 2001
41
      why can't he SEE that...
Jul 19th 2001
44
           the problem is........
Jul 19th 2001
45
                the thing is...
utamaroho
Jul 19th 2001
47
                this statement right here:
Jul 19th 2001
51
                     RE: this statement right here:
utamaroho
Jul 19th 2001
52
                very good example:
Jul 19th 2001
48
                Point taken
Jul 19th 2001
49
                I don't claim to be "afrikan"
Jul 19th 2001
50
      Concept
Jul 19th 2001
53
      RE: Concept
Jul 19th 2001
60
           The Scriptures are Subjective
Jul 19th 2001
64
           RE: The Scriptures are objective
Jul 19th 2001
67
                there are so many points in this response
utamaroho
Jul 19th 2001
68
                     the light is still on you
Jul 19th 2001
70
                          imagine this
utamaroho
Jul 19th 2001
71
                               RE: imagine this
Jul 19th 2001
73
           reprint.
Jul 19th 2001
65
                RE: reprint.
Jul 19th 2001
69
      Objectivity
Jul 19th 2001
54
           RE: Objectivity
Jul 19th 2001
57
                GOD-FUCKING-DAMMIT!
utamaroho
Jul 19th 2001
58
                This reaction doesn't help.
Jul 19th 2001
59
                watch your language
Jul 19th 2001
61
                     you're right
utamaroho
Jul 19th 2001
62
                     Clarification
Jul 19th 2001
66
                          RE: Clarification
Jul 19th 2001
72
                RE: Objectivity
Jul 19th 2001
63
Not directed toward me but
Jul 18th 2001
31
      NO
Jul 18th 2001
32
Searching for Something That is Already Within
Jul 18th 2001
27
Thought for this HOLI-DAY
Jul 19th 2001
46
osoclasi
Jul 20th 2001
74
Correction
Jul 20th 2001
75
RE: osoclasi
Jul 20th 2001
76
Wonderful post.
Wise_7
Jul 20th 2001
77
^
Jul 26th 2001
80

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