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>#1. WTC, Pentagon, Somerset County PA.
>If he had anything do
>with the attacks, he's no
>longer a Muslim.

this doesnt negate his islam. its unislamic, but doesnt negate his islam.

Muslim's don't
>murder people, if you Murder
>someone you go straight to
>Hell.

muslims dont, or are forbidden to?
there is a big difference.
and im sorry, but no one goes straight to hell for anything they done, muslim or not.

hell and paradise will come in the hereafter, and not until then. next.......

>#2. He's been involved with other
>terrorist attacks that he HAS
>owned up to, see #1.

confession to a sin, doesnt negate his islam. next......
>
>#3. In his little speech he
>more or less owned up
>to it, see #1.

see the response to #2.

>#4. In his little speech he
>discussed further terror to the
>people of the United States,
>see #1.
>
threatening to terrorize people doesnt negate his islam. next.........

>#5. The Taliban, he supports the
>Taliban government, the Taliban Government
>is a perversion of Islam,
>if you're 1/2 the Muslim
>you claim to be, you
>already know this.
>
support for the taliban's so-called "perversion of islam" doesnt negate his islam. and if it did, youd be a non muslim too, seeing as how you support nonmuslims. so what is more likely to make a person a non muslim:
1.the support of taliban, who testify they believe in Allah, or
2. the support of the bush administration, who testify a disbelief in Allah.
next...........

>Stoning Women for going/trying to work?
>C'mon now.

ive never heard of such a rediculous thing.
and i doubt you have either.
in any case, that doesnt negate his nor their islam. next.........
>
>#6. Committing foul acts in the
>name of Allah, I could
>break out the Hadiths and
>Ayats for you, but you
>already know the answer to
>this one.

this doesnt negate his islam either.

what you have presented are not things that negate anyones islam. some of them are, however, things that are not known to and are forbidden in islam. but they do not negate islam, no more so than a muslim owning a liquor store and selling it, a muslim man committing adultery on his wife, a muslim son disobeying his parents, a muslim lying, a muslim stealing, a muslim cheating. just makes you a bad, disobedient muslim.

if you disagree w/ what i have said, then i say as Allah had instructed His prophet (saws) to say in His Noble Book, Al Qur'aan: "haatoo burhaanukum in kuntum saadiqeen." "produce your proof, if you are truthful."

you made the call, so now it is on you to prove it.

peace.

Words to ponder over............

5.44. It was We who revealed the Torah (to Moses): therein was guidance and light. By its standard have been judged the Jews, by the prophets who bowed (as in Islám) to Allah's will, by the rabbis and the doctors of law: for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's book, and they were witnesses thereto: therefore fear not men, but fear Me, and sell not My signs for a miserable price. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are unbelievers.

5.81. If only they had believed in Allah, in the Prophet, and in what hath been revealed to him, never would they have taken them for friends and protectors, but most of them are rebellious wrong-doers.

the biography of Prophet Muhammad (saws):
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/SM_tsn/

The following is paraphrased from today's (10/08/2001) interview with Rumsfeld via sattelite hookup on CBS news this morning:

Gumbel: Can you assess the damages from last nights bombing raids in Kabul?
Rumsfeld: Its too early for any clear assessment

Gumbel: There are reports from the Taliban that there were collateral damages in the forms of Women, children, and elderly, can you confirm or deny these reports

Rumsfeld: There were no civilian casualties, these were all military targets

Gumbel: I thought you said it was too early for any assessment of the raids

Rumsfeld (now squirming in seat): Uhhhhh...ummmmmm.....welllll...i am 'reasonably' sure what I just said was correct

courtesy of abbstrack

subhaanakallahumma (Glory be to you, Oh Allah), wabihamdika (and I praise You). ashhadu anla ilaha illa anta (I bear witness that none has the right to be worshipped except You). astaghfiruka (I seek Your forgiveness), wa atuubu ilaika (and I turn to You in Repentance).

  

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Bin Laden is not a Muslim?!? [View all] , abduhu, Mon Oct-08-01 11:53 AM
 
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RE: Bin Laden is not a Muslim?!?
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RE: unislamic does not = not muslim
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he follows the sunnah to a tee.
Oct 09th 2001
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      go back to sleep now, babis.......................
Oct 10th 2001
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RE: Bin Laden is not a Muslim?!?
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What makes someone a muslim?
Oct 08th 2001
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RE: What makes someone a muslim?
Oct 08th 2001
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abduhu...
Oct 08th 2001
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      RE: abduhu...
Oct 08th 2001
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Jews
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      welcome back...
Oct 10th 2001
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RE: Bin Laden is not a Muslim?!?
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d-Best
Oct 08th 2001
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Question(s)
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11
Bin Laden
Oct 09th 2001
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RE: Bin Laden is not a Muslim?!?
Oct 09th 2001
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Shocked
Oct 09th 2001
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Why not???
Oct 09th 2001
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RE: Why not???
peoke7
Oct 09th 2001
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that may be
Oct 09th 2001
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      his only confession was......................
Oct 09th 2001
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RE: Why not???
Oct 09th 2001
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RE: Bin Laden is not a Muslim?!?
peoke7
Oct 09th 2001
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I guess he's no more/less Muslim
Oct 09th 2001
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the purpose of this thread was/is:
Oct 09th 2001
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my thoughts on bin laden:
Oct 09th 2001
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RE: my thoughts on bin laden:
Oct 09th 2001
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      Heah
Oct 10th 2001
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