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65. "you're right too"
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I was just throwing some counterpoint at you.

>
>However, you seem to imply that
>this means noone can be
>criticized for doing so ?

No, I don't imply this. Actually I think ALL of us SHOULD be criticized for implicitly supporting capitalism. Especially those of us who know better.

> And that every person
>criticizing should be ignored since
>they're "guilty" themselves ?

No, i was just pointing out that everyone contributes to capitalism. And unless you undermine capitalism as well, through your activism, organizing, preaching, etc., enough to balance out your support of it, it is rather hypocritical. Ill be the first to admit that I am a hypocrite in this light.

>
>Does this mean that every single
>person in Germany during WWII
>was a Nazi ?

most of them did support Nazism through their actions, just like most of us support capitalism

>That every person in America
>is responsible for the killing
>of Sudanese people in '98,
>when Clinton bombed them (since
>you all contributed with tax
>money) ?

partially, yes

That every
>individual in Belgium in 1960-1962
>was responsible for the killing
>of Lumumba ?

partially yes

>
>In your logic, are Dead Prez
>as capitalist as Vanilla Ice
>? (just asking)

Some degree of support of capitalism is required for survivial in modern society. Think of all the money dp has pumped into the pockets of Loud and Sony. However, one could argue that dp compensates for this through their message and their activism, which does undermine capitalism to an extent. I guess, this would make them "less capitalist" than Vanilla Ice, who not only supported the system more (more album sales) but didnt speak out against it blanace out his support.

>
>I tend to make a difference
>between people who have no
>choice (mainly becos of financial
>reasons) but to take part
>in a capitalist society, some
>of them even trying to
>change it (as opposed to
>simply running away and then
>criticizing) and other people participating
>without questioning the ethical and
>moral consequences of this system.

true

> And then another group,
>who operate as spokespeople/representatives for
>capitalism/materialism, and I consider Jay-Z
>one of those.

I guess it would be hard to disagree with that. However, in light of his latest album, it could be that Jay-Z is trying to change for the better. Hopefully.

>
>In your definition, Michael Moore and
>Donald Trump are both capitalists
>(correct me if I'm wrong).

Yes, to differing degrees.

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bush jogs in a rock steady crew jumpsuit.
Nov 22nd 2001
1
lol
Nov 22nd 2001
17
hmmm...
Nov 22nd 2001
2
plus
Nov 22nd 2001
4
Arguable
Nov 22nd 2001
5
RE: hmmm...
Nov 22nd 2001
6
simple
Nov 22nd 2001
11
      What bandwagon
Nov 28th 2001
60
           well
Nov 28th 2001
62
NO WAY!
Nov 22nd 2001
7
RE: NO WAY!
laursen
Nov 22nd 2001
8
      capitalism is not limted to what is legal...
Nov 22nd 2001
9
           RE: capitalism is not limted to what is legal...
laursen
Nov 23rd 2001
18
                RE: capitalism is not limted to what is legal...
Nov 23rd 2001
20
                     RE: capitalism is not limted to what is legal...
laursen
Nov 23rd 2001
23
                          riddle me this...
Nov 23rd 2001
25
                               well
Nov 24th 2001
26
                               my question was...
Nov 24th 2001
27
                               RE: riddle me this...
laursen
Nov 24th 2001
28
                                    incorrect
Nov 24th 2001
31
                                    RE: incorrect
laursen
Nov 24th 2001
33
                                         capitalism is capitalism.
Nov 24th 2001
34
                                              RE: capitalism is capitalism.
laursen
Nov 24th 2001
36
                                                   RE: capitalism is capitalism.
Nov 25th 2001
40
                                                  
Nov 25th 2001
41
                                   
Nov 24th 2001
32
                                        
laursen
Nov 24th 2001
35
                                              capitalism promotes underground economy...
Nov 24th 2001
37
I disagree
Nov 22nd 2001
10
common
Nov 22nd 2001
3
actually
Nov 22nd 2001
12
      i was saying
Nov 23rd 2001
19
i pimp emoticons.
Nov 22nd 2001
13
x(
Nov 22nd 2001
14
      ...
Nov 22nd 2001
15
           RE: ...
moshe
Nov 22nd 2001
16
                hey AZ
Nov 29th 2001
68
maybe
Nov 23rd 2001
21
RE: pimping icons
Nov 23rd 2001
22
RE: pimping icons
laursen
Nov 23rd 2001
24
it's not just an image
Nov 24th 2001
29
      i meant
Nov 24th 2001
30
RE: pimping icons
Dec 07th 2001
69
here's the explanation:
Nov 24th 2001
38
The "cool" people
Nov 28th 2001
61
Jay-Z
Nov 24th 2001
39
RE: Jay-Z
Nov 25th 2001
42
      RE: Jay-Z
Nov 25th 2001
43
           This Indian "squaw"
Nov 26th 2001
45
           RE: This Indian "squaw"
Nov 26th 2001
51
           RE: Jay-Z
Nov 26th 2001
52
                it's humor
Nov 28th 2001
64
                     RE: it's humor
Nov 28th 2001
67
                          Some white cat,
KemetShakur
Dec 09th 2001
72
Easy....
Nov 26th 2001
44
if he DOES know
Nov 26th 2001
46
What I'm witnessing here....
Nov 28th 2001
58
      yeah sure
Dec 09th 2001
70
tell'em koku...
Nov 27th 2001
57
first off
Nov 26th 2001
47
RE: first off
Nov 26th 2001
48
?
Nov 26th 2001
49
      It certainly had nothing to do w/
Nov 28th 2001
59
strange logic
Nov 28th 2001
63
     
           thanks
Nov 28th 2001
66
Yall gon kick me outta OA but...
Nov 26th 2001
50
RE: pimping icons
Nov 26th 2001
53
disagree
Nov 27th 2001
54
lol
Nov 27th 2001
55
      RE: lol
Nov 27th 2001
56
CHE FOR ROCA-WEAR...
Dec 09th 2001
71

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