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>When people argue that because God knows the outcome of >future events they must necessarily happen, they usually >fail to realize that in their explanation they are assuming >the fallacy of trying to personify god. Its hard for us to >understand how Divine Foreknowledge and free will are really >compatible because for us things happen in a temporal >context, meaning we experience past, future, and present. > >To God, and as is inherent to the nature of God, He >experiences things in eternity, which is to say that he >doesn't experience things in time. To God everything is >happening at once. Imagine what you would consider the >ever-fleeting moment of the present. What you did 1/100 of a >second ago is the past and will never happen again, and what >has not happened is the future and thus it has not happened. >For God all events are experienced simultaneously. They are >all in the present. He experiences your birth and your death >at exactly the same time. He experiences the rise and fall >of the roman empire all at the same time and at the same >time as your birth ( you get the idea). > >Thus, it is true that God does know the outcome of future >events. Nevertheless that does not mean that we have no free >will. It is simply that God knows that some things happen >out of contingency and some happen out of necessity. Simply >because God knows that I am going to look at porn tonight >doesn't mean that it is not my decision to look at porn. It >is my decision, it just so happens that GOD EXPERIENCES MY >CHOICE(empahsis mau777), and understands that I had options of looking and >not looking and looking is the choice i made
(Haha...very good...and there is no "right" or "wrong" in your decision and definitely no "heaven" or "hell" because of it.) > >Thus, I think it is safe to say that God's foreknowledge of >an event does not mean that it happened out of necessity. It >does however mean that it necessarily will happen, which is >different from the former assertion because it just means >that what God knows to happen is definitely going to happen. >However, as human we don't know future events, and we choose >them using our own God given free will. So remember, if you >masturbate tonight, God knows your masturbating, but he >knows you just as easily could have not masturbated - it was >up to you. > >Thats how i think certain (Aquinas) philosophers would >answer this question, (minus my own foul examples)
...Great response and excellent examples!!!
...There still rests the issue that seems to be plaguing this entire post, the issue of this term "god"and how it's being used. You are MUCH CLOSER to the nature of the subject than the other posters, but the perspective is still polaric(One Omni-attributed God and humans)
...Try this, start at the second paragraph and go down. Wherever you said "God", replace that with the term 'My Higher Self' and where you say "future events", place 'my' in front of it....Also, where you say "he", place the word 'shim'(both male and female in one). Just give it a try and see how it hits you.
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