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70. "RE: *AARGH!!! Blinded by Conservative value rays!!!!!*"
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>too bad for them. if you cant keep up, then shutup. its a
>free country, figure out a way to make some money. it isnt
>that hard.

what does wealth have to do with speech? nothing; i think the position that money equals a form of speech has been refuted to the satisfaction of everyone aside from complete idiots and/or self-interested millionaires. when does a right to voice an opinion come from the ability to, as you put it, "keep up"? not everyone shares your values-system where money matters more than anything. some people are not interested in making a lot of money - why should they be denied an equal footing in a political arena to those who are wealthy?

even people who are able to 'keep up': those who work and make enough money to get by, feel marginalized because nobody hears their voice. wealth should not be a proxy for access to government.


>the public still controls the fate of business. and the
>public still elects its officials. obviously the majority of
>this country could either care less or has bigger things to
>worry about. when it becomes a big problem, something will
>be done.

no, 'business' controls the fate of the public. big business has so much more influence than individual people that the public does not even know what it wants - it is told what it wants by big business. people who cannot see that ("libertarians") are idiots. government exists for the benefit of its people - thus the government must clear a space for people to exercise their freedoms. big business has occupied that space - it manipulates the 'free will' of individuals.

i'm not strictly anti-capitalist, but i am anti-laissez faire. the market does not work. government has to step in - even if government is inefficient, it has an important role that is better done inefficiently than not at all. government should stay out whereever it can, but in regulation of the market, it has to step in.

"...let my children hear music - for God's sake - they have had enough noise."
Charles Mingus

  

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seperation of corporation and state... [View all] , Abbstrack, Sun Apr-13-03 04:58 AM
 
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RE: seperation of corporation and state...
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yes but
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the people...
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      RE: the people...
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      huh?
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      'the people' decide the fate of corp's like lockheed?
Apr 14th 2003
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      RE: 'the people' decide the fate of corporations like l
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      Free Market????!!!!!
Apr 14th 2003
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if they would actually tax the corporations...
Apr 13th 2003
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      say word
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      RE: if they would actually tax the corporations...
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      trickle down
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      friend...
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           You don't know shit about me
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                RE: You don't know shit about me
Apr 16th 2003
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                LOL
Apr 16th 2003
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      okay then tell me how it"s not a problem
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      corporations ARE taxed
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           That's true
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                RE: That's true
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                     RE: That's true
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                          RE: That's true
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                               *AARGH!!! Blinded by Conservative value rays!!!!!*
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                                    RE: *AARGH!!! Blinded by Conservative value rays!!!!!*
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                                         RE: *AARGH!!! Blinded by Conservative value rays!!!!!*
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                                         RE: *AARGH!!! Blinded by Conservative value rays!!!!!*
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                                              ........
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                                                   im just saying
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                                                        Checking a box
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                                                             the whole premise
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                                                                  ROTFL
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                                                                       RE: ROTFL
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It's going to be pretty hard
Apr 13th 2003
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whats wrong with that?
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      Ask a campesino
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This is dangerous in that the GOVERNMENT's role is
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exactly
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RE: This is dangerous in that the GOVERNMENT's role is
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user fees
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So if I want to drive somewhere
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      Libertarians
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      yea im a libertarian
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           So am I
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                lets discuss!
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                     libertarian socialism homie
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thats my biggest problem with it
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      RE: thats my biggest problem with it
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      i dont know what the heck i am
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           when it comes to these political labels
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           RE: i dont know what the heck i am
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                RE: i dont know what the heck i am
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                     thats right
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NYC Bridges, Tunnels, and Corporations
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so no one responds to the one post that makes sense?
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RE: NYC Bridges, Tunnels, and Corporations
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RE: NYC Bridges, Tunnels, and Corporations
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      therein lies your problems
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I'm worried about conflict of interest....
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      RE: I'm worried about conflict of interest....
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           a partnership by any other name
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                And why is the partnership wrong?
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                     sure
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The United States of America
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i'm all for it
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i think the problem is a lot bigger
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go to japan n/m
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      true enough
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RE: i'm all for it
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      capitalism is a whore
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