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121. "RE: I presented it as science showing evolution in bact"
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>Because I don't think you understand the article. They
>DON'T have have proof. They are ASSUMING that since they
>share common genomic code that there must be a common
>ancestor. You don't like paintings, fine cars. It's all the
>same concept.

I understand the artice fine, and I also understand that it is far more scientifically valid than your supposed 'proof' of creation: "My point is that the fact that organisms share a lot of the same features is proof of creation" - talk about assumptions that don't prove anything. It's funny how you dismiss the Nature article, yet think your scientifically unfounded hand-waving argument somehow constitutes valid proof.

>It's like saying all cars evolved from the model T. No the
>ideas may have evolved, but each car is a creation. If we
>weren't the creators of our cars, buildings, whatever--by
>evolutionists' logic they would all be proof of evolution.
>You see all computers evolved from this Babbage Computer and
>then about blah years ago there was an event that caused a
>phylogenic split resulting in risc and cisc architectures...

No it's nothing like saying that; cars and computers don't replicate themselves and adapt to their environments - comparing living organisms and mechanical devices in this manner is an absurd analogy. Really, you need to drop this nonsensical argument.

>The "evidence" is all circumstanstial. There is no proof.
>They don't have the bacteria's common ancestor...and they
>sure haven't found man's.

The scientific evidence overwhelmingly supports evolution. There is absolutely no scientific evidence whatsoever for creation, let alone proof.

>That sense of the word says nothing about truth or
>fiction...like I said earlier, get a dictionary.

Merriam-Webster defines mythical as:

1 : based on or described in a myth especially as contrasted with history
2 usually mythical : existing only in the imagination : FICTITIOUS, IMAGINARY

synonym see FICTITIOUS

- so GTFOOHWTBS.

Furthermore, by the defintion that you gave, your use of the word "mythical" to describe humans' common ancestor with other primates is incorrect, so your argument is wrong on multiple levels - way to go, dictionary boy. Also, your definition of mythical would mean that the bible represents "a primitive view of the world" - couldn't agree with you more on that one.

>Nobody has
>proved the bible to be false.

Of course they have - and have proven many things in the bible to be false. The bible is about as historically valid as the Illiad and Arthurian legend - the only reason you don't acknowledge this is willful ignorance.

>All that energy in sucrose and all we can get is a net of 36
>ATP/GTP molecules per mole. You mean to tell me there's no
>other process to match that effieciency, it certainly isn't
>very efficient. Sounds more like a decision rather than an
>evolutionary standpoint.

No, it sounds like a stupid decision for an all-powerful creator to make - are you calling God stupid?

>Only because I was going to also post about an experiment
>that showed a particle being in two places at once, but I
>couldn't find the link...so I removed omnipresent.

woulda, coulda, shoulda...

>From the computer's pov, which is what I said, a zero or an
>one are the only outcomes. Every qubit would have both
>outcomes already, so from the computer's pov it would know
>all the outcome...the principle is what I said it would
>posses.

You know, while you were so busy with all that dictionary stuff, you should've taken 2 seconds to flip over to the definition of omniscient:

- Function: adjective
1 : having infinite awareness, understanding, and insight
2 : possessed of universal or complete knowledge

- so unless all those quibit outcomes can tell you if there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, or how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll pop, it ain't omniscient. And it isn't working on the same principle either - note the definition referring to awareness, understanding, insight & knowledge ... raw data does not these things make.

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Disprove Evolution [View all] , tappenzee, Sun Sep-21-03 04:15 AM
 
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umm...
Sep 22nd 2003
1
umm...
Sep 24th 2003
49
      fuckin' classic!!
Sep 24th 2003
70
           excellent argument
Sep 24th 2003
71
yeah...
Sep 22nd 2003
2
one thing...
Sep 22nd 2003
3
AHHHHH!
Sep 24th 2003
72
GW Bush
Sep 22nd 2003
4
RE: GW Bush
Sep 29th 2003
99
TAP? You there?
Sep 22nd 2003
5
RE: TAP? You there?
Sep 22nd 2003
6
No... look at what you're saying
Sep 22nd 2003
8
      RE: No... look at what you're saying
Sep 23rd 2003
32
      RE: No... look at what you're saying
Oct 01st 2003
117
RE: TAP? You there?
Sep 22nd 2003
7
Jawnz...
Sep 22nd 2003
9
      RE: Jawnz...
Sep 22nd 2003
10
      Don't Stop
Sep 22nd 2003
11
           RE: Don't Stop
Sep 22nd 2003
12
                Keep Going
Sep 22nd 2003
14
                     RE: Keep Going
Sep 22nd 2003
15
                     RE: Keep Going
Sep 22nd 2003
17
                          Keep Going
Sep 22nd 2003
18
                               Keep going where?
Sep 22nd 2003
19
                                    I'm gonna give myself carpal tunnel....
Sep 22nd 2003
20
                                    why?
Sep 22nd 2003
24
                                         Incorrect
Sep 22nd 2003
26
                                              that's not an answer
Sep 22nd 2003
28
                                                   BECAUSE
Sep 22nd 2003
29
                                                        RE: BECAUSE
Sep 22nd 2003
31
                                                        no
Sep 23rd 2003
33
                                                             RE: no
Sep 23rd 2003
36
                                                        Morality has NOTHING to do with this discussion
Sep 23rd 2003
37
                                    Thank You Thank You Thank You
Sep 22nd 2003
23
                                    no problem
Sep 22nd 2003
25
                                    Hov!
Sep 25th 2003
77
                                    What makes you so certain
Sep 29th 2003
100
                                         works either way
Oct 01st 2003
116
      why does there have to be a creator though?
Sep 23rd 2003
35
           not only that
Sep 23rd 2003
38
God's creatures evolved...
Sep 23rd 2003
34
RE: Disprove Evolution
Sep 22nd 2003
13
RE: Disprove Evolution
Sep 22nd 2003
16
Please, EVERYONE
Sep 22nd 2003
21
One more time man... IT'S NOT RELEVANT
Sep 24th 2003
44
      SPEAK UP
Sep 24th 2003
59
           40thStreetBlack explained why over and over again.
Sep 25th 2003
80
                he can listen to Jimi; he just can't *hear* Jimi
Sep 27th 2003
88
fossil record show clear progression of horse evolution
Sep 22nd 2003
22
Here's a theory
Sep 22nd 2003
27
RE: Here's a theory
Sep 22nd 2003
30
I'm a Creationist...
Sep 23rd 2003
39
don't really need to prove anything
Sep 23rd 2003
40
So...
Sep 24th 2003
60
E. Coli bacteria
Sep 23rd 2003
41
hahaha
Sep 24th 2003
43
Even the experts overlook things
Sep 24th 2003
45
      hey, skippy
Sep 24th 2003
46
           Penicillin is a compound
Sep 24th 2003
54
           And as far as the two bit article goes
Sep 24th 2003
55
                well geez
Sep 24th 2003
56
                RE: And as far as the two bit article goes
Sep 24th 2003
57
                     RE: And as far as the two bit article goes
Sep 24th 2003
64
Faulty logic
Sep 25th 2003
76
      Actually E.coli
Sep 27th 2003
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           Which begs the question
Sep 27th 2003
87
           works fine for simple single-celled microorganisms...
Sep 27th 2003
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           the *primary* means of reproduction is binary fission
Sep 27th 2003
90
                conjugation is independent of reproduction
Sep 28th 2003
92
                     genomic evolution mapped in close relative of E.Coli
Sep 28th 2003
94
                          Ahh...
Sep 28th 2003
97
                               is that supposed to disprove the paper in some way?
Sep 30th 2003
103
                                    You presented the article
Sep 30th 2003
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                                    I presented it as science showing evolution in bacteria
Sep 30th 2003
107
                                         RE: I presented it as science showing evolution in bact
Oct 01st 2003
113
                                              RE: I presented it as science showing evolution in bact
Oct 01st 2003
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                                                   RE: I presented it as science showing evolution in bact
Oct 01st 2003
120
                                                       
                                    you are so, so, so, so, right.
Sep 30th 2003
106
RE: Disprove Evolution
Sep 24th 2003
42
just to clear things up
Sep 24th 2003
58
Archaeopteryx: clear 'missing link' bet. bird &dinosaur
Sep 24th 2003
66
record shows horses evolved from one species to another
Sep 24th 2003
68
MY QUESTION...
Sep 24th 2003
47
they're working on it
Sep 24th 2003
48
      thanks...but...
Sep 24th 2003
51
           it doesn't necessarily HAVE to have worked out the
Sep 28th 2003
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                HEY!
Oct 01st 2003
108
micro vs macro
Sep 24th 2003
50
this is why people choose to believe in creationism..
Sep 24th 2003
53
I am trying to maintain composure but...
Sep 24th 2003
61
      RE: I am trying to maintain composure but...
Sep 24th 2003
62
           RE: I am trying to maintain composure but...
Sep 24th 2003
65
           see post 66
Sep 24th 2003
67
           you can't be through
Sep 24th 2003
73
Same thing - one is just an extention of the other
Sep 24th 2003
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      RE: Same thing - one is just an extention of the other
Sep 25th 2003
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      whatever
Sep 25th 2003
75
      archaeopteryx is a bird, not dinasour
Sep 25th 2003
78
           semantics - it is still a clear transitional form
Sep 27th 2003
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                still a bird
Oct 01st 2003
109
                     oh yeah before
Oct 01st 2003
112
                     Still a transitional form
Oct 13th 2003
122
Evolution exsists
Sep 24th 2003
52
RE: Evolution exsists
Sep 24th 2003
63
a qoute from stephen gould
Sep 25th 2003
79
GTFOOHWTBS
Sep 26th 2003
81
exactly
Sep 28th 2003
95
did you see the one
Sep 29th 2003
98
      nah I missed that one
Sep 30th 2003
104
RE: GTFOOHWTBS
Oct 01st 2003
110
      can't even argue with you
Oct 01st 2003
114
out of context;discussing gradual evol vs punct equilib
Sep 28th 2003
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      RE: out of context;discussing gradual evol vs punct equ
Oct 01st 2003
111
we were created, then we evolved
Sep 26th 2003
82
Hey Debate Club members?
Sep 26th 2003
83
RE: Disprove Evolution
Sep 26th 2003
84
Maybe I can...kind've....softshoe in here a bit
Sep 26th 2003
85
101 and having fun
Sep 30th 2003
101
102 no thanks to you.
Sep 30th 2003
102
RE: Disprove Evolution
Oct 01st 2003
118
HEAR ME OUT
Oct 01st 2003
119

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