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55. "RE: But today's ballers raise millions for HSBCs"
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>>While many of 92's conscious acts >just talked about doing & dressed the part.
>
>Well, they didn't have millions to
>give...

Many didn't have millions to give in part because they didn't handle their business or take any control over their product much less their destinys. You don't think millions were made off of PE? If PE didn't have millions to give, it is partly their fault. The spirit of entrepreneurship thats underneath the success of Master P or a 2Short is/was not evident in many "concious" acts.

>Maybe they have no problem with white-on-white >violence.

well they should because clearly there is a heavy influence on our community. Who are these rappers imitating when they are constantly referencing the Godfather, Scarface, etc? It doesn't take a genius to see that a lot of white popular culture has had a negative impact on black people. Concentrating on "negative" black acts while allowing ourselves to be inundated with negative material from whites will not solve our problems, particularly when much of the negative behavior by the black male rappers is clearly imitation of the worst of white male patriarchial culture.

>the Hot Boys play up stereotypes that all young >black men are drug dealers, while there are no >concurrent stereotypes that all white men are
>hit men (John Travolta's role).

As a black person, I'm very aware of the totality of who the Hot Boys are. I refuse to view them thru the eyes of racists whites - do you? Since I know that most young black men are not drug dealers (as any black person who actually lives around black people would know), they can't play into what I know is not true. Who's opinion are you worried about, black people's or those of whites?

>the difference is, the artist creates the >content, which they can control (by making or >not making it), while artists do not control >their labels' business practices (unless you >mean artists should do some investigation before
>signing).

please, we are all responsible for all our actions ...period. That includes knowing who we work for/with as much as being accountable for what we say. if an artist has a responsibility to monitor their content then why can't that responsibility include being held accountable for who they associate with & what their business partners are up to? back in the 90s some black quit their jobs at corps that wouldn't divest from S. Africa. If they can do it, so can the artists who claim to be "conscious". if they choose not too, imo, that decision is just as negative as singing about selling crack, imo.

>
>Eh? How are we "all" responsible for music a >select minority of people make?

We are all responsible of our choices. If you make a commercial for Sprite knowing full well (or not even bothering to do simple research that would reveal) that the parent company is poisoning the environment in poorer (most POC) nations (for example) or paying slave wages then you are no better than that brother selling crack on the corner. In fact, you may be worse because atleast that brother is less able to lie to himself or anybody else about his participation in ugliness.

  

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Too bad this wasn't posted here... [View all] , BooDaah, Tue Aug-01-00 06:03 AM
 
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I agree...
Aug 01st 2000
1
But don't get it twisted
Aug 01st 2000
3
      RE: But don't get it twisted
Aug 01st 2000
5
      Don't be talking bout my braids..
Aug 01st 2000
19
           actually
Aug 01st 2000
23
                what are we gonna do about it?
Aug 01st 2000
26
                     don't sell it short
Aug 01st 2000
27
regarding money fixation in hip hop
Aug 01st 2000
2
RE: regarding money fixation in hip hop
Aug 01st 2000
20
      RE: regarding money fixation in hip hop
Aug 10th 2000
65
Hip Hop has taken...
Shellypooh
Aug 01st 2000
4
What started this new trend anyway?
Aug 01st 2000
6
Selective memory
Aug 01st 2000
7
RE: Selective memory
Aug 01st 2000
9
Good point nay...
Aug 01st 2000
10
But today's ballers raise millions for HSBCs
Aug 01st 2000
15
      Also, I see a lot of "we made it"
Aug 01st 2000
16
      What's an HSBC?
Aug 01st 2000
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      Historically Black Colleges
Aug 01st 2000
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           My bad
Aug 01st 2000
25
                I just hate the continued focus on "certain things"
Aug 02nd 2000
28
                     RE: I just hate the continued focus on
Aug 04th 2000
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                          How easy we lie to ourselves
Aug 04th 2000
56
      RE: But today's ballers raise millions for HSBCs
Aug 04th 2000
47
          
Finally
Aug 01st 2000
22
King Tee's "Bass"
Aug 01st 2000
21
Hip Hop
Aug 01st 2000
8
The sad thing is...
Aug 01st 2000
11
      Here's that detachment
Aug 01st 2000
13
      but you know how folk are....
Aug 01st 2000
14
      what is THE 10 pt program?
Aug 01st 2000
24
      K, the children are WATCHING &
Aug 10th 2000
66
           So why are y'all just limiting it to rappers
Aug 02nd 2000
30
           Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes!
Aug 02nd 2000
33
                Only you can judge if you're doing the best you can
Aug 02nd 2000
35
                     To me it's not as much
Aug 03rd 2000
38
           The media are watching the children
Aug 02nd 2000
32
      I fear it too...
Aug 02nd 2000
34
RE: Too bad this wasn't posted here...
Quinn
Aug 01st 2000
12
*observing*
Wise_7
Aug 02nd 2000
29
      How many of us are starting programs?
Aug 02nd 2000
31
           Hip-hop
Aug 03rd 2000
36
                Hip Hop is not a gateway Drug
Aug 03rd 2000
37
How would yall feel.....
Aug 03rd 2000
39
RE: How would yall feel.....
Quinn
Aug 03rd 2000
40
      Please spare me the course
Aug 03rd 2000
41
           what is your real question?
Quinn
Aug 03rd 2000
42
                although i will admit
Quinn
Aug 03rd 2000
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                Exactly
Aug 03rd 2000
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                     Once again, nay
Aug 04th 2000
45
                          Maybe you think that calling black female addicts bitches
Aug 04th 2000
58
                          It should have read
Aug 04th 2000
60
                          It should have read
Aug 04th 2000
62
                               amen n/m
Quinn
Aug 04th 2000
63
                          RE: Once again, nay
Quinn
Aug 04th 2000
59
Do You People have
Aug 04th 2000
46
apparently not enough 4 u
Aug 04th 2000
48
Help!
Aug 04th 2000
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let's see...
Aug 04th 2000
51
      Ah-ight.....
Aug 04th 2000
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Ok I read it AGAIN
Aug 04th 2000
52
      well..
Aug 04th 2000
54
Did it ever occur to you
Aug 04th 2000
57
Oh what a Quiet World
Aug 04th 2000
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RE: Oh what a Quiet World
Quinn
Aug 04th 2000
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