>Are you suggesting everybody in the
>world should think this way
>or just all the Black
>people?
everyone. colorism exists all over the world.

>So what if some people decide
>to remain in the box-
>and you know they will;
>should we take further steps
>to keep them from hurting
>people's feelings?

yup.


>Thats not self-centered at all in
>fact it references "those standards"
>and denies them. It doesnt
>affect me cuz I dont
>put much faith in the
>standards to begin with- I
>dont advocate striking them down
>because its vain attempt at
>changing how people think by
>changing what they should have
>they freedom to see or
>show.

But it's all in reference to YOU. YOU deny them. Does everybody else? Why is it vain? Sometimes, revolutions do work.

>>That's why racism and sexism still
>>exist in a BIG way.
>> Because they benefit somebody...a
>>lot of somebodies.
>
That is also why Hip Hop
is successful- or even FUBU.
should we not allow such
things?

I'm a woman, and it pisses me off that hiphop can be so sexist at times. That's one of the reasons I'm not as interested in hiphop as I was when I knew less about it. We can allow anything, we just dont have to tolerate what it stands for.


>I mean telling YOUR people- you
>already admit that you cant
>make anybody do anything. So
>why set your people up
>for changing something that may
>never change instead of toughening
>them up to the way
>it is?

You try and do both. This isn't necessarily a question that is easily answered by an either/or type deal. At some point, people have to take responsibility for their own actions. BUT, there is no denying that society has a major impact in who people are and what they do. We are social creatures.

Is elminating the
>Beauty industry feasible- and is
>it possible that nothing would
>spring up in its place?

I'm not really talking about the industry...I'm talking about ideas. And some ideas of beauty are probably biologically informed...but I can't really speak about that because I am not too scientifically incline .


>
>sure according to the powerful people.

Uh...no. Think about it. I have a book with a list of, I believe(and I'll check for you), the most powerful bodies in governmental interest. After you get through the countries...(this is still in the under 50 range, mind you)...you find a list of companies. Powerful peoples' interests DO affect much of our lives.

>>They have the
>>resources to coerce people into
>>believing what they think is
>>the truth. Hip hop obviously
>>is working fine with a
>>multicultural audience...without a large
>>amount of white people BUYING
>>hiphop, many of our favorite
>>and least favorite artists would
>>need to get a PAYING
>>job.
>
>Nevertheless it is a cultue where
>black men have dominance- should
>we make way for more
>caucasian rappers? Or are we
>ready to admit that somethings
>are not intended to be
>generally inclusive?

Yes, somethings are not meant to be generally inclusive. But at the same time, somethings could be MORE inclusive. Would you tell me that the world of work is not meant to be inclusive, and that is why I can expect to make 75 cents to every dollar a man makes? And that I should learn to deal with that? If I don't have to deal with something, I don't want to.


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