>Neither. We should acknowledge that there
>is beauty in all hues.
>Otherwise we'd just be making
>up yet another beauty hierarchy.

Are you suggesting everybody in the world should think this way or just all the Black people?

>>Do we tell people to
>>stop thinking this way or
>>do we tell people that
>>they'll have to deal with
>>it because people will think
>>this way regardless?
>
>We try to get people to
>stop thinking inside the box.
>We can't make anyone do
>anything.

So what if some people decide to remain in the box- and you know they will; should we take further steps to keep them from hurting people's feelings?

>>Im not pretty- and i dont
>>want to be pretty- certainly
>>not by those standards; so
>>should I insist that we
>>change the standards?
>
>That's a very self centered view.
>Just because it won't directly
>affect you doesn't mean you
>shouldn't advocate it.

Thats not self-centered at all in fact it references "those standards" and denies them. It doesnt affect me cuz I dont put much faith in the standards to begin with- I dont advocate striking them down because its vain attempt at changing how people think by changing what they should have they freedom to see or show.

>>I dont think its fair to
>>insist that all things be
>>inclusive- its certainly not the
>>natural order of things. How
>>do you suggest that someone
>>eliminate something that is very
>>profitable for them on the
>>grounds that its not so
>>fair to you or in
>>this case hardly involves you.
>
>That's why racism and sexism still
>exist in a BIG way.
> Because they benefit somebody...a
>lot of somebodies.

That is also why Hip Hop is successful- or even FUBU. should we not allow such things?

>>It seems to me youd
>>be better off telling the
>>people not to be involved
>>with the institution rather than
>>trying to bring the insitution
>>down.
>
>??? If people weren't involved with
>the institution, there wouldnt be
>one.

I mean telling YOUR people- you already admit that you cant make anybody do anything. So why set your people up for changing something that may never change instead of toughening them up to the way it is? Is elminating the Beauty industry feasible- and is it possible that nothing would spring up in its place?

>>If those are society's ideals then
>>the institution is perfectly reasonable
>>in pandering to it. Should
>>the Hip Hop industry cater
>>to a more multicultural audience-
>>it would certainly be a
>>weight of all those "white"
>>people who are trying to
>>fit in.
>
>Actually, society's ideals are generally reflections
>of the most powerful people
>in society.

sure according to the powerful people.

>They have the
>resources to coerce people into
>believing what they think is
>the truth. Hip hop obviously
>is working fine with a
>multicultural audience...without a large
>amount of white people BUYING
>hiphop, many of our favorite
>and least favorite artists would
>need to get a PAYING
>job.

Nevertheless it is a cultue where black men have dominance- should we make way for more caucasian rappers? Or are we ready to admit that somethings are not intended to be generally inclusive?