>What is your definition of hip hop? If u just stick to the
>musick, then that's just rap. I don't see how u can
>diregards Graffn and breakn when it comes to hip hop, cuz to
>me, they go hand in hand.


Ask Revs (Revlon) the type of music he likes and liked when he was first writing on trains back in the day. Ask Lee (Zoro) from WildStyle what type of music he liked and likes today. Ask any oldschool head what type of music they liked, it wasn't hip-hop because graffitti existed before hip-hop. It is it's own culture that eventualy hip-hop embraced because it was/is an urban culture. writers liked rock, heavy metal, spanish music, etc. and when hip-hop started they liked hip hop......but graffitti was not synonomous with hip-hop as it is today. B-boys were boogying before hip-hop weren't they. didn't they dance to breaks in the funk and soul records? which does not have to mean hip-hop. eventualy it became associated with hip hop. If anything these two "elements of hip-hop" can be associated with urban life and not hip hop. Maybe hip hop and all of it's elements are really elements of urban life and not the other way around.

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