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66. "Yeah, well..."
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>I lean toward the nurture side,
>I don't expect everyone to
>agree with me. I just
>honestly think that it's more
>likely than a certain gene
>being passed down.

Honestly, sometimes I think the whole "sexual orientation" idea is bogus as hell. It leaves no room for the reality that sexuality is very fluid for all of us, whether we are accepting of that or not. I use the "gay" label b/c of the 3 biggies, that's the one that most describes my desire. I believe we all have the capacity for same sex and opposite sex desire, and I know we all experience each of those at some point in our lives. But I am NOT saying we are all innately "bisexual". So really the nature vs. nuture thing has little meaning to me b/c it's so caught up in "The Matrix" of the Big 3 Labels. I can't think inside that box - not for real.

>>Uh huh. Okay. So,
>>I'm gay b/c my mom
>>dropped me on my head
>>when I was 4 months
>>old? Or b/c she
>>put me in a pink
>>snow suit one day when
>>I was 6 months old?
>> Or b/c I had
>>a high fever when I
>>was 9 months old?
>
>Who knows? But I don't think
>it would be that obvious
>or stereotypical. I know guys
>who played with their sister's
>dolls and are straight, and
>I know guys who are
>gay who played with transformers
>and Tonka Trucks like me
>who're gay. I don't think
>it would be that simple.

Nothing is that simple. I played w/Tonka trucks and Barbie dolls when I was a kid. It has nothing to do w/the fact that I dig guys.

>>But you just said there is
>>something wrong w/being gay.
>>Calling it the result of
>>some childhood experience insinuates that
>>there's something wrong. That
>>something went awry. That
>>it could have been prevented
>>if only the child/infant had
>>not been exposed to whatever.
>
>Well, childhood experiences are what cause
>people to grow up to
>become introverts vs. extroverts, hard-working
>vs. easy-going, etc. I don't
>think that any one is
>better than the other, just
>different.

If you say so I believe you.

I think the quest to discover what makes some of us queer is homophobic at its heart. I mean, what if one day scientists are able to isolate a gene that causes queerness? Will parents then be able to genetically-engineer str8 kids? Will they come up w/therapies to control that queer gene? Will it be (re)classified as a disability?

Why should does it matter why some of us are queer? Can't we just BE who we are? Does there need to be a "reason"?

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FROM GAY TO STRAIGHT??? [View all] , Brownsugar, Mon Apr-09-01 07:17 AM
 
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a little while back
Apr 09th 2001
1
huh
Apr 09th 2001
2
RE: FROM GAY TO STRAIGHT???
Apr 09th 2001
3
You sound very logical....
Apr 09th 2001
4
      among other things
Apr 09th 2001
6
           I believe this is very possible...
Apr 09th 2001
7
           what I'm saying
Apr 09th 2001
8
           Sullivan's essay???
Apr 09th 2001
9
                as far as I know
Apr 09th 2001
21
           RE: I believe this is very possible...
phrase8
Apr 09th 2001
35
                I really can
Apr 09th 2001
47
                     *error*...I really can'
Apr 09th 2001
48
                          RE: *error*...I really can't see myself....
Apr 09th 2001
49
           stop tv hating :)
Apr 09th 2001
39
                the day i found out that
Apr 09th 2001
40
i have a friend whos tangled
SheRise
Apr 09th 2001
5
RE: FROM GAY TO STRAIGHT???
Apr 09th 2001
10
I'm not sure about these finding's...
Apr 09th 2001
13
RE: o.k.,............
Apr 09th 2001
17
      What about the mind???...
Apr 09th 2001
50
RE: FROM GAY TO STRAIGHT???
Apr 09th 2001
23
i agree.
Apr 09th 2001
45
bullshit
Apr 10th 2001
65
that's why i said..
Apr 10th 2001
75
      falling in love....
Apr 10th 2001
76
      RE: falling in love....
Apr 10th 2001
85
      so,
Apr 10th 2001
97
      Course not
Apr 10th 2001
101
      NO...LOL..i was merely using your word to make a point..which you obviou...
Apr 11th 2001
111
      you just summed up
Apr 11th 2001
119
      RE: that's why i said..
Apr 10th 2001
84
      tempted by things....
Apr 10th 2001
100
           c'mon now..
Apr 10th 2001
103
                I'm still a breeder
BlackAdder
Apr 10th 2001
105
                     i didn't say ..
Apr 10th 2001
106
                          hmmm
BlackAdder
Apr 10th 2001
108
????
BlackAdder
Apr 10th 2001
78
i hear ya, but..
Apr 10th 2001
98
GRANNIE!
Apr 10th 2001
83
      I'm addicted to dick.
Apr 10th 2001
86
           RE: I'm addicted to dick.
Apr 10th 2001
91
poppycock
Apr 10th 2001
68
ummmmm.....sterility is abnormal. its a defect....
Apr 11th 2001
129
      how do you know?
Apr 12th 2001
146
RE: FROM GAY TO STRAIGHT???
Apr 10th 2001
107
RE: FROM GAY TO STRAIGHT???
kflow
Apr 09th 2001
11
RE: FROM GAY TO STRAIGHT???
butiful1
Apr 09th 2001
12
I have noticed that gay guys...
Apr 09th 2001
14
oh my lord not many
Apr 09th 2001
15
I have noticed that women
Apr 09th 2001
22
ok
Apr 09th 2001
56
lmao n/m
Apr 11th 2001
120
evolutionary changes, free will, curiosity, and choices*
Prizm from Chicago
Apr 09th 2001
42
i dunno...
Apr 09th 2001
46
I have met quite a few....
Apr 09th 2001
54
RE: i dunno...
Apr 10th 2001
88
Say no to hairdressers...
Apr 10th 2001
102
RE: FROM GAY TO STRAIGHT???
Apr 09th 2001
18
C'mon
butiful1
Apr 09th 2001
19
RE: C'mon
Apr 09th 2001
20
i'm not attacking you, but...
Apr 09th 2001
25
RE: i'm not attacking you, but...
Apr 09th 2001
34
      here, i quote:
Apr 09th 2001
60
      RE: here, i quote:
Apr 10th 2001
92
      thanks
Apr 10th 2001
104
           RE: just so you know......
Apr 11th 2001
109
           thank you sir
Apr 11th 2001
113
           RE: just so you know......
Apr 14th 2001
153
           OBNOXIOUS???
Apr 11th 2001
114
      RE: the answers.
Apr 21st 2001
161
      Are you sure???
Apr 10th 2001
90
      RE: positive im not.
Apr 11th 2001
110
      RE: Are you sure???
Apr 14th 2001
148
           RE: Are you sure???
Apr 14th 2001
151
      Foolish foolish.
Apr 14th 2001
150
C'mon
butiful1
Apr 09th 2001
30
RE: C'mon
Apr 09th 2001
55
      RE: C'mon
Prizm from Chicago
Apr 09th 2001
62
      Are you frickin' kidding me?
butiful1
Apr 10th 2001
72
           Uh HUH
Apr 11th 2001
117
                thanks...
Apr 11th 2001
123
RE: C'mon
Apr 14th 2001
152
RE: C'mon
Apr 09th 2001
26
Dis is STOOPID
Apr 10th 2001
89
RE: FROM GAY TO STRAIGHT???
kflow
Apr 09th 2001
32
is this what he told you himself?
Apr 09th 2001
33
Silly
Apr 10th 2001
93
RE: FROM GAY TO STRAIGHT???
Apr 14th 2001
147
uhmmmm
Apr 09th 2001
16
RE: FROM GAY TO STRAIGHT???
Apr 10th 2001
87
I don't think it's possible.
Apr 09th 2001
24
Bullshit
Marinera
Apr 09th 2001
27
Oh puh-leeze!!!
Apr 09th 2001
31
      Nature vs. Nurture
Marinera
Apr 09th 2001
41
          
                Gay Gene
Apr 10th 2001
94
                beautifully stated...
Apr 11th 2001
121
                     I agree with you....n/m
Apr 11th 2001
122
RE: FROM GAY TO STRAIGHT???
gnutron
Apr 09th 2001
28
No, it's not....
Apr 09th 2001
29
calm down homeboy...
Apr 09th 2001
36
RE: calm down homeboy...
Apr 09th 2001
37
RE: calm down homeboy...
Prizm from Chicago
Apr 09th 2001
43
I would never say that....
Apr 09th 2001
52
uhh....
Apr 09th 2001
38
RE: calm down homeboy...
Apr 10th 2001
96
i disagree
Apr 09th 2001
51
RE: No, it's not....
Apr 09th 2001
57
RE: No, it's not....
BlackAdder
Apr 10th 2001
81
PUT DOWN YOUR HRC BIBLE!
Apr 10th 2001
95
      first of all...
Apr 11th 2001
115
      My POINT
Apr 11th 2001
124
           RE: My POINT
Apr 11th 2001
127
           RE: My POINT
Apr 11th 2001
133
                RE: My POINT
Apr 11th 2001
139
           I don't think you chose.
Apr 11th 2001
135
      So, you could be str8?
Apr 11th 2001
116
           RE: So, you could be str8?
Apr 11th 2001
125
                should read *isn't* the extent of my sexuality n/m
Apr 11th 2001
126
                I guess that makes sense.
Apr 11th 2001
134
                     RE: I guess that makes sense.
Apr 11th 2001
136
                     Never mind.
Apr 11th 2001
138
                     you aint crazy..
Apr 11th 2001
141
                     wow
Apr 11th 2001
140
                     Put it like this
Apr 11th 2001
142
                          I ain't know you were bi.
Apr 11th 2001
143
                               RE: I ain't know you were bi.
Apr 11th 2001
145
RE: FROM GAY TO STRAIGHT???
Lynai
Apr 09th 2001
44
speak the truth! n/m
Apr 09th 2001
53
RE: FROM GAY TO STRAIGHT???
Apr 09th 2001
59
bloody f*cking deconstructionists!
Apr 09th 2001
61
RE: bloody f*cking deconstructionists!
Apr 10th 2001
64
Let's talk about choice.
Apr 10th 2001
67
Sing it, Sista! n/m
Apr 10th 2001
99
See "But, I'm a Cheerleader" (Film) n/m
JMello
Apr 09th 2001
58
RE: FROM GAY TO STRAIGHT???
Apr 10th 2001
63
This has been a very impressive showing of
CoolV
Apr 10th 2001
69
@ Expertise: I, too, am an ATLien and bear witness to your claims.
CoolV
Apr 10th 2001
70
      Dam.
CoolV
Apr 10th 2001
71
RE: FROM GAY TO STRAIGHT???
Sol Artist
Apr 10th 2001
73
      RE: FROM GAY TO STRAIGHT???
BlackAdder
Apr 10th 2001
74
           That was beautiful...
butiful1
Apr 10th 2001
77
                RE: That was beautiful...
BlackAdder
Apr 10th 2001
80
*sigh*
BlackAdder
Apr 10th 2001
79
You can't change your sexual orientation
Apr 10th 2001
82
great point
Apr 11th 2001
112
      RE: great point
B_FELT
Apr 11th 2001
118
           Yikes
amida
Apr 11th 2001
128
           and a wise man once said..
amida
Apr 11th 2001
130
           Not meaning to be ugly, but
Apr 11th 2001
131
                RE: Not meaning to be ugly, but
amida
Apr 11th 2001
132
                I Cosign!
Apr 11th 2001
137
                Wow!
butiful1
Apr 11th 2001
144
RE: FROM GAY TO STRAIGHT???
Apr 14th 2001
149
RE: FROM GAY TO STRAIGHT???
Apr 15th 2001
154
Why...
Apr 15th 2001
156
      Surah 109, Ayah 6........
Apr 16th 2001
157
           Thank You
Apr 16th 2001
158
EXCELLENT POINT!!
CoolV
Apr 15th 2001
155
Scared to answer what you feel?
Apr 16th 2001
159
RE: Scared to answer what you feel?
Apr 18th 2001
160

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