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Utamaroho, thanks for making mention of this thread in my inbox. I didn't pay attention to it until now.

Economic empowerment did not fail, for the simple fact that it was never achieved. You can't call something a failure that was never used. Washington had the right idea, but from my research of his beliefs and views his plans were full of holes.

Economic empowerment is more than simply making money. It is an uplifting of practically every aspect of black life, which will in turn bring money. To have a successful business, people simply dont get a bunch of money, throw it into a building and products, and say, "tada, I have a business", else you're doomed to fail. You must be ready to own one, you must be disciplined to own one, you must be skilled and knowledgable about your product. What does your product do? Why should consumers get this product? Why get it from you and anyone else?

In other words, you need to be prepared mentally and physically for the challenges that await when you start a business, and it's the same way in black community as well. It will take a social overhaul as well as purely economic.

Washington realized the overhaul, yet he misunderestimated the obstacles. He stressed hard work and discipline internally among blacks in the South, BUT, the difference between he and other leaders was that he stressed that every single ounce of discipline they had was supposed to bring forth a profit of some kind. In other words, if you are gonna work hard, have something to show for it. If you are gonna go to college, make sure it's worth YOUR while, and you aren't wasting your time. Through that would bring for even more motivation, and soon true financial empowerment. That is something that is lacking today from our so-called leaders. Instead of insisting on building and uplifting, they make excuses and try to victimize us.

The problem with Washington's plan was his interaction with whites. Although credit should be given to him for secretly financing and supporting political causes as well as being the top advisor to Presidents Taft and Roosevelt in negro matters, in public he chose to be a pacifist and appeased whites when he spoke. When asked about political issues he either took a stance of neutrality or against forced civil rights legislation and discouraged blacks from meddling into politics. While Washington was right in that forceful legislation would incite more racial tension and would hurt blacks more than help, his ploys made it seem as if he had no backbone, and he lost alot of support in his last years, particularly up North. Once dead W.E.B DuBois and the assimilationist NAACP pretty much trashed his name, saying he was at fault for black disenfranchisement, and even his decendants were ashamed and wouldn't tell people of their lineage of him.

I don't think there is any doubt in anyone's mind that there needed to be civil rights and political activism of some kind in order for blacks to be in a position to gain a spot in this country. Washington, in my opinion, wanted as little of it as possible, and if you look at today's politics, you can see he did it for very good reasons. Because of the success of the civil rights movement "victim politics" has become the norm, where instead of trying to uplift, leaders want to indirectly keep the masses in the same position they are in so they can manipulate them into continuous support by stating they are going to the legislature to fight and make their lives better. It's a continuous cycle. I think Washington got discouraged from dwelling into the political realm for 3 reasons....

1. The repeal of the first Civil Rights Act, which was passed in 1875 yet declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in 1883.

2. The end of the Reconstruction Era, which led to a takeover of state governments by Democrats who then passed a slew of laws aimed to keep blacks subordinate.

3. White lynchings and race riots were at their height in the late 1800's, particularly in the South.

4. Political involvement would have meant separating himself from the rich corporate philantropists at the time, which would have spelled an end to Tuskegee Institute, which almost all of it's funding came from.

Probably the strongest argument is #4, because Tuskegee was Washington's jewel, and he dedicated his life to it. It's been noted that he personally hated public speaking, although he was good at it, and only did it to carry favor for donations.

Although Washington was a political pacifist, to call him an assimilationist would be extreme. Washington actually supported segregation of some kind, and thought it would be best if blacks earned their roles in American society. In fact, some people think the southern governments actually got their ideas for Jim Crow from Washington, particularly where he stated in a famous speech in Atlanta that "blacks and whites can be as separate as the fingers, yet united as the hand that holds them together". Not to mention Marcus Garvey himself was a follower of Washington's economic and segregationist philosophy, and actually sought Washington's help in securing a trade school up north. However by the time he got to Alabama, Washington was dead.

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POLITICS of BLACK NATIONALISM [View all] , utamaroho, Tue May-01-01 07:25 AM
 
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From the introduction...
utamaroho
May 01st 2001
1
History as a teacher...
utamaroho
May 01st 2001
2
GARVEY
utamaroho
May 01st 2001
3
Yes,
May 03rd 2001
45
      depends
utamaroho
May 03rd 2001
46
           That might be
May 04th 2001
62
PAN-AFRICANISM
utamaroho
May 01st 2001
4
RE: History as a teacher...
May 04th 2001
54
CHAPTER 1
utamaroho
May 01st 2001
5
CHAPTER 1 GOALS
utamaroho
May 01st 2001
9
reminds me of...
May 02nd 2001
15
      Where can I
May 04th 2001
63
           MLK speech book?
May 08th 2001
77
thank you
May 01st 2001
6
His philosophies and opinions...
utamaroho
May 01st 2001
7
      that's what i read
May 01st 2001
8
LIES, LIES, and more LIES
utamaroho
May 01st 2001
10
What IS the cultural imperative?-n/m
May 07th 2001
69
good post.
May 01st 2001
11
THE NEW NEGRO
utamaroho
May 01st 2001
12
RE: THE NEW NEGRO
May 01st 2001
14
while coming to work...
utamaroho
May 02nd 2001
16
RE: while coming to work...
May 02nd 2001
22
great advice...
May 02nd 2001
23
Dual Role
May 04th 2001
58
RE: THE NEW NEGRO
May 02nd 2001
17
MONEY IS POWER?
utamaroho
May 02nd 2001
18
      PERFECT EXAMPLE
utamaroho
May 02nd 2001
20
           A few comments
May 02nd 2001
24
           Imperfect Results
May 09th 2001
78
                that won't happen
utamaroho
May 20th 2001
81
                     But that actually happened
May 20th 2001
83
RE: THE NEW NEGRO
May 03rd 2001
49
nice one...
utamaroho
May 03rd 2001
50
True n.m.
May 05th 2001
65
RE: THE NEW NEGRO
May 03rd 2001
51
      RE: THE NEW NEGRO
May 05th 2001
64
           RE: THE NEW NEGRO
May 05th 2001
66
                RE: THE NEW NEGRO
May 06th 2001
67
                     Power Myths
May 06th 2001
68
                          RE: Power Myths
May 07th 2001
70
                               RE: Power Myths
May 07th 2001
71
                                    RE: Power Myths
May 07th 2001
72
                                         I think we're going in circles
May 07th 2001
73
                                              RE: I think we're going in circles
May 07th 2001
75
                                                   Word on Gentrification
May 08th 2001
76
RE: THE NEW NEGRO
May 07th 2001
74
RE: THE NEW NEGRO
musha
May 02nd 2001
25
      RE: THE NEW NEGRO
May 02nd 2001
31
           Right Wing Conservative
utamaroho
May 02nd 2001
32
                M2 is more conservative
May 03rd 2001
33
                RE: M2 is more conservative
May 03rd 2001
36
                     RE: M2 is more conservative
May 03rd 2001
37
                Amistad
May 20th 2001
84
Cool idea for a post man.
dittyman
May 01st 2001
13
RE: POLITICS of BLACK NATIONALISM
musha
May 02nd 2001
19
A LONG READ, BUT...
utamaroho
May 02nd 2001
21
CHAPTER 2
utamaroho
May 02nd 2001
26
BIOLOGICAL RACISM
utamaroho
May 02nd 2001
27
      YO!
utamaroho
May 02nd 2001
28
CHAPTER 3
utamaroho
May 02nd 2001
29
WHY IS THIS?!?
utamaroho
May 03rd 2001
38
      RE: WHY IS THIS?!?
May 04th 2001
57
can I get this online?
May 03rd 2001
34
RE: can I get this online?
May 03rd 2001
35
AFTERMATH OF THE WAR
utamaroho
May 03rd 2001
39
RE: nationbuilding...
May 03rd 2001
40
THANKS
utamaroho
May 03rd 2001
42
RE: fyi
May 03rd 2001
47
      i called and got no answer...
utamaroho
May 03rd 2001
48
           RE: i called and got no answer...
May 04th 2001
52
           RE: i called and got no answer...
May 04th 2001
56
           RE:...
May 04th 2001
59
           Me too!
May 04th 2001
61
           RE: new site
May 04th 2001
53
           I'll be there!
May 04th 2001
60
RE: nationbuilding...
May 03rd 2001
43
Two Thousand Seasons
May 03rd 2001
44
RE: AFTERMATH OF THE WAR
May 04th 2001
55
May 03rd 2001
41
Going to finish this, are you?
nelle30087
May 18th 2001
79
Sooner than you think...
utamaroho
May 18th 2001
80
Again, please?
May 20th 2001
82

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