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49. "RE: THE NEW NEGRO"
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>
>What's the biggest problem Most Blacks
>face?
>
>POVERTY!

Racism

>Which leads to crime, poor schools,
>shattered families, makes Blacks Vulnerable
>to opression, etc.
>

Every group faces poverty it's racism that makes poverty hurt our community more than say a white community.

>
>Booker T wasn't wrong, and this
>isn't a matter of saying...economic
>empowerment didn't work, because it's
>far to early to make
>that pronouncement. Are Blacks the
>wealthiest group in America? Are
>the the vast majority of
>Blacks Affluent? No, so how
>can we pronounce this idea
>as not being a valid
>method of liberation?
>
>Looking at Booker T's time, how
>many Blacks actually achieved economic
>success? Not many. How about
>now? Well since Whites still
>make more money then us
>(on average) and typically have
>a higher net worth, over
>Blacks making the same money,
>I'd say we haven't even
>reached economic success (as a
>people) yet.
>
>In other words, it's the 4th
>inning, we're losing 3-2 and
>you want to pull the
>pitcher even though two of
>those runs were on errors.

Actually I think the numbers are the same. If I recall correctly I think it was Charles Olgatree<sp> or Claude Anderson that said the same number(talented tenth) of Blacks at the top now is the same number that was at the top back then.

>
>In other words, it's too soon
>to tell.
>
>Furthermore, how do you define liberation?
>To me it means that
>people may hate you, but
>they can't eff with you
>and if they do, you
>make em' pay. Well, that's
>not going to happen in
>this country until Blacks get
>ahold of some more economic
>power. It should be obvious
>to any of us that
>money runs this country, if
>politicians were going to groups
>of wealthy Blacks for campaign
>funds and these Brothas &
>Sistas would call in those
>favors when a Black Man
>was unneccessarily shot in the
>street, things would change around
>this land of ours.

While I do agree that money runs this country and economic power will help Blacks I don't trust politicans. How many politicans that need a white majority to win are going help Blacks at the expense of their white majority? Just look at the Natives that were giving money to politicans, how much did it help them,or the way the Democrats have become more Republican.

>
>However, Liberation also means that you
>escape from a situation that
>someone else defined for you.
>Poverty is generational, so is
>lack of education and disenfranchisement.
>Blacks were put in a
>poverty situation by Slavery, Racism
>and Jim Crow. Well, I'm
>not poor, no one opresses
>me. I make more $
>then my white friends from
>college.....and they're professionals just like
>me. So what if my
>neighboors hate me, so what
>if Co-workers do......they aren't preventing
>me from living my life.

They can though. Look at what Ward Connerly is doing and Clarence Thomas. Money or no money this will affect your kids and grandkids.

>
>Granted I get profiled, calling folk
>to rent a house is
>a pain because people hear
>my name and think "oh
>my god, a negro" and
>let's face it living as
>a Black Man in America
>is stressful. People can still
>eff with us.......but not as
>much as they could to
>our fathers.....and our sons will
>face less. As more and
>more Blacks achieve economic success
>and basically take our piece
>of the pie, we'll be
>in less of a position
>to be opressed and that's
>the point of economic empowerment.

We are still getting shot dead in the street, still denied access to capital, upper education, and equal justice in the courts.

>
>
>Recognizing history is important in terms
>of seeing where we've come
>from and how getting control
>of our economics is still
>a priority. But it's short
>sighted to pronounce dead the
>theory of economic empowerment being
>important, particularly when we have
>a generation of Brothas who
>feel that slinging rock is
>the only way they can
>survive financially and in light
>of how far we have
>to go.
>
>This comes down to Quality of
>life, that of a poor
>man worrying about the Bills
>and if his sons will
>make it until their 18th
>Birthdays. OR a man worrying
>about whether or not his
>kids will get into their
>first choice colleges and where
>to vacation that year. The
>wealthier man can also focus
>more energy on helping the
>less fortunate and making a
>change in this country, which
>he will do when he
>meets with his political action
>group to bribe I mean
>donate money to politicians.
>
>That's the other thing, Blacks need
>to learn how to use
>their money too.
>
>Look at the Jews, people hate
>them almost as much as
>they hate us. But who
>gets effed with the least?
>

Jews are working with the same people who hate them almost as much as us.

>
>I rest my case.


If economic empowerment is the solution then what happen to Blacks when they had economic empowerment in Tulsa OK, Roswood, and Durham? They were still at the mercy of whites. Wealth did not save them.



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POLITICS of BLACK NATIONALISM [View all] , utamaroho, Tue May-01-01 07:25 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
From the introduction...
utamaroho
May 01st 2001
1
History as a teacher...
utamaroho
May 01st 2001
2
GARVEY
utamaroho
May 01st 2001
3
Yes,
May 03rd 2001
45
      depends
utamaroho
May 03rd 2001
46
           That might be
May 04th 2001
62
PAN-AFRICANISM
utamaroho
May 01st 2001
4
RE: History as a teacher...
May 04th 2001
54
CHAPTER 1
utamaroho
May 01st 2001
5
CHAPTER 1 GOALS
utamaroho
May 01st 2001
9
reminds me of...
May 02nd 2001
15
      Where can I
May 04th 2001
63
           MLK speech book?
May 08th 2001
77
thank you
May 01st 2001
6
His philosophies and opinions...
utamaroho
May 01st 2001
7
      that's what i read
May 01st 2001
8
LIES, LIES, and more LIES
utamaroho
May 01st 2001
10
What IS the cultural imperative?-n/m
May 07th 2001
69
good post.
May 01st 2001
11
THE NEW NEGRO
utamaroho
May 01st 2001
12
RE: THE NEW NEGRO
May 01st 2001
14
while coming to work...
utamaroho
May 02nd 2001
16
RE: while coming to work...
May 02nd 2001
22
great advice...
May 02nd 2001
23
Dual Role
May 04th 2001
58
RE: THE NEW NEGRO
May 02nd 2001
17
MONEY IS POWER?
utamaroho
May 02nd 2001
18
      PERFECT EXAMPLE
utamaroho
May 02nd 2001
20
           A few comments
May 02nd 2001
24
           Imperfect Results
May 09th 2001
78
                that won't happen
utamaroho
May 20th 2001
81
                     But that actually happened
May 20th 2001
83
nice one...
utamaroho
May 03rd 2001
50
True n.m.
May 05th 2001
65
RE: THE NEW NEGRO
May 03rd 2001
51
      RE: THE NEW NEGRO
May 05th 2001
64
           RE: THE NEW NEGRO
May 05th 2001
66
                RE: THE NEW NEGRO
May 06th 2001
67
                     Power Myths
May 06th 2001
68
                          RE: Power Myths
May 07th 2001
70
                               RE: Power Myths
May 07th 2001
71
                                    RE: Power Myths
May 07th 2001
72
                                         I think we're going in circles
May 07th 2001
73
                                              RE: I think we're going in circles
May 07th 2001
75
                                                   Word on Gentrification
May 08th 2001
76
RE: THE NEW NEGRO
May 07th 2001
74
RE: THE NEW NEGRO
musha
May 02nd 2001
25
RE: THE NEW NEGRO
May 02nd 2001
30
      RE: THE NEW NEGRO
May 02nd 2001
31
           Right Wing Conservative
utamaroho
May 02nd 2001
32
                M2 is more conservative
May 03rd 2001
33
                RE: M2 is more conservative
May 03rd 2001
36
                     RE: M2 is more conservative
May 03rd 2001
37
                Amistad
May 20th 2001
84
Cool idea for a post man.
dittyman
May 01st 2001
13
RE: POLITICS of BLACK NATIONALISM
musha
May 02nd 2001
19
A LONG READ, BUT...
utamaroho
May 02nd 2001
21
CHAPTER 2
utamaroho
May 02nd 2001
26
BIOLOGICAL RACISM
utamaroho
May 02nd 2001
27
      YO!
utamaroho
May 02nd 2001
28
CHAPTER 3
utamaroho
May 02nd 2001
29
WHY IS THIS?!?
utamaroho
May 03rd 2001
38
      RE: WHY IS THIS?!?
May 04th 2001
57
can I get this online?
May 03rd 2001
34
RE: can I get this online?
May 03rd 2001
35
AFTERMATH OF THE WAR
utamaroho
May 03rd 2001
39
RE: nationbuilding...
May 03rd 2001
40
THANKS
utamaroho
May 03rd 2001
42
RE: fyi
May 03rd 2001
47
      i called and got no answer...
utamaroho
May 03rd 2001
48
           RE: i called and got no answer...
May 04th 2001
52
           RE: i called and got no answer...
May 04th 2001
56
           RE:...
May 04th 2001
59
           Me too!
May 04th 2001
61
           RE: new site
May 04th 2001
53
           I'll be there!
May 04th 2001
60
RE: nationbuilding...
May 03rd 2001
43
Two Thousand Seasons
May 03rd 2001
44
RE: AFTERMATH OF THE WAR
May 04th 2001
55
May 03rd 2001
41
Going to finish this, are you?
nelle30087
May 18th 2001
79
Sooner than you think...
utamaroho
May 18th 2001
80
Again, please?
May 20th 2001
82

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