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Nettrice
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31. "RE: Good Points, may I add..."
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>While I am sure your counsel
>on male/female relations was appreciated
>by the young brutha it's
>my opinion that the greatest
>advising brutha Q could've achieved
>in those relations (if a
>healthy, SOMEWHAT developed one...) is
>that with the step-father...

An excerpt from Q:

"Your like a big sister to me, and your the only adult that I open myself to. I think you know me better that my mother. I also realy appreciate you listening to me, every time I finish talking to you,you always have me thinking about everything you say. I'm glad that your always there for me when I need to talk to somebody..."

It is not my point to undermine the importance of positive relationships with men, i.e. fathers. As a matter of fact, I strongly believe that the mentor/friend relationship I had with Q influenced his ability to trust women. He also was great when working with children and I made sure to tell him that this was a good quality that would help him when he started his own family.

The most important thing for men is to learn how to trust themselves and trust women in order to have healthy relationships. Men, as fathers, have to be PRESENT and that means they can't close themselves off or not be open with women.

When a father/male mentor is not present then it is difficult for women to develop positive relationships with men. It is a challenge for them to raise their sons to become "strong" men. It's a cycle and fathers and mothers need to break the cycle in order to build strong families and children (daughters).

>it will be
>easier for the brutha to
>realize his position in america
>and how to conduct himself....This
>is something that only a
>MAN OF COLOR could notice
>from a FIRST PERSON view...No
>offense...but who could explin the
>triumphs and pitfalls, joys and
>pains of black women better...Talib
>Kweli or Ursula Rucker???

Neither. I was able to understand myself (as a child), in relation to the world through guidance from my father, mother and, when they were not available, through other adults. I understood myself as Nettrice first, then as a girl/woman, a Black person, an American and a human. The development of the individual (Nettrice) part of who I am allowed me to define the other parts.

>Unclear. I'm a simple man...Please
>explain further on what you
>mean by "What I can't
>pay for is a man
>who will be more than
>a role defined by a
>society that places value on
>things that does
>not support me. I need
>more than that to be
>in a real relationship.
>I am already a whole
>person. I need another
>whole person (man) to be
>there for me. He
>can lift heavy things, too
>(if he wants)."

>YOU ARE A WHOLE PERSON, eh?
> Do you cook couscous
>as well????

I mean that I have not met a man who is not saddled by the role society has defined instead of defining who he is as an individual. I need a spiritual partner, someone who can match my quick wit, lust for life and quest for peace & love. I can do my own lifting and cooking becuase I have the resources. I need someone who can sustain a partnership and how we divvy-up responsibilities is up to us, not some standard.

Standards are what makes some men unable to be the fathers they should be. Some men feel as if they will never meet them. They are playing some role and not open to the needs of their children and women/mates.


"Know thyself"

"Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, "I will never leave you or forsake you". So we may boldly say, "The Lord is my helper, I will not fear. What can man do to me?"
-- Hebrews 13:5,6

"There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path"
--Morpheus in "The Matrix"

"It's our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities"- Dumbledore to Harry Potter "Chamber of Secrets"

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

  

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fatherlessness & blk women [View all] , rgv, Mon May-21-01 07:11 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
funny that u posted this...
May 21st 2001
1
great post...
May 21st 2001
2
thats bs
May 21st 2001
3
Thank you...
May 21st 2001
4
fav quote of the day:
May 21st 2001
5
RE: fav quote of the day:
May 31st 2001
40
RE: Thank you...
masani
May 21st 2001
6
RE: Thank you...
May 21st 2001
7
RE: Thank you...
May 23rd 2001
16
Hey, I'm not scared to answer this
May 21st 2001
8
Educate & Enlighten Us
May 22nd 2001
9
      RE: Educate & Enlighten Us
May 22nd 2001
10
           RE: Educate & Enlighten Us
May 22nd 2001
11
           Sounds like U
May 22nd 2001
12
                RE: Sounds like U
May 22nd 2001
13
                     That is so deep
May 23rd 2001
15
                          RE: That is so deep
May 23rd 2001
17
                               Thanks for sharing.
Jun 04th 2001
44
RE: fatherlessness & blk women
May 23rd 2001
14
RE: fatherlessness & blk women
SheRise
May 24th 2001
18
      Whoa...I had to read that 3 times...
May 26th 2001
24
I just want more people to talk about this issue..^
May 25th 2001
19
RE: fatherlessness & blk women
May 25th 2001
20
YEP.
May 25th 2001
21
RE: YEP.
May 25th 2001
22
      RE: YEP.
May 25th 2001
23
           Abusive Fathers
May 29th 2001
33
RE: fatherlessness & blk women
philiagoddess
May 26th 2001
25
      PEACE, sis...
May 26th 2001
26
           What is strength
May 26th 2001
28
           Good Points, may I add...
May 26th 2001
29
               
           RE: PEACE, bro...
philiagoddess
May 29th 2001
36
           RE: PEACE, bro...
Jun 05th 2001
47
           UNtrue
May 30th 2001
37
                Protectors??? gimmeabreak.
Ylana
May 31st 2001
39
                RE: Protectors??? gimmeabreak.
Jun 05th 2001
46
                     4 YLANLA & YASETSHEGO
Jun 05th 2001
49
                          I was about to be offended
Jun 06th 2001
50
                               RE: I was about to be offended
Jun 06th 2001
53
                                    RE: I was about to be offended
Jun 07th 2001
57
                                         Whoa, sis....
Jun 07th 2001
61
                                              Furthermore,
Jun 07th 2001
62
                                              Please do,
Jun 12th 2001
64
                                              Oh okay,
Jun 12th 2001
63
                RE:True
Jun 05th 2001
48
                     Questlove is not white
Jun 06th 2001
51
Children need both...
May 26th 2001
27
my answers
May 26th 2001
30
Answers
May 26th 2001
32
i'll answer...
May 29th 2001
34
RE: i'll answer, too
philiagoddess
May 29th 2001
35
got me thinkin.....
May 30th 2001
38
RE: Yo love, congrats
philiagoddess
Jun 01st 2001
41
tho ur not blk
Jun 01st 2001
42
      we have this joke,
Jun 01st 2001
43
RE: fatherlessness & blk women
Jun 04th 2001
45
it's simple to me
Jun 06th 2001
52
RE: fatherlessness & blk women
Amerllis
Jun 06th 2001
54
RE: fatherlessness & blk women
Amerllis
Jun 06th 2001
55
My neice
Jun 06th 2001
56
I am glad that you realize that.
Jun 07th 2001
58
WAIT, but whut about
Jun 07th 2001
59
      RE: WAIT, but whut about
Jun 07th 2001
60
           Solitayre's Good Black Man
Jun 12th 2001
65
DEFINE "FATHER" FOR ME AGAIN
Jun 12th 2001
66
Great line in a great song.
Jun 12th 2001
67
here's my $0.02
Jun 12th 2001
68
RE: here's my $0.02
Jun 12th 2001
70
I admire you for this
Jun 13th 2001
72
RE: I admire you for this
Jun 13th 2001
76
      Girl,
Jun 13th 2001
80
that's my point
Jun 13th 2001
73
WEll,
Jun 13th 2001
74
This is my point
Jun 13th 2001
75
      Indeed
Jun 13th 2001
78
      I like that hard w/o soft
Jun 13th 2001
82
Hmmmmm.....
Jun 13th 2001
71
      It took years...
Jun 13th 2001
77
      That is deep
Jun 13th 2001
81
      RE: Hmmmmm.....
Jun 13th 2001
79
...
Jun 12th 2001
69

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