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(ID wrote) "you mind telling me where in the Hebrew bible any one of the prophets talk about God being the messiah to save us from sin? I know that the prophecies of a messiah were there, but exactly where does it say the messiah would be God?"
---->>> This response below was to a guy who asked a similar question. He asked me if my daughter got pregnant but told me she was impregnated by God, would I believe her. My response to him deals with the scriptures in the Hebrew bible that prophesized that the messiah would be man and God. Read below........
-->>Yeah, you are right. If my daughter got pregnant, then I would be looking for man. Because in my limited human understanding, I know that a woman can only get pregnant by natural means. And Joseph, the fiancee of Mary also thought the same thing and intended on divorcing Mary because he thought she was lying. But God sent an angel to Joseph to explain to Joseph that this was the fullfillment of the prophecy He spoke of in the old testament, in the book of the prophets. (The Hebrew Bible)
That in Isaiah 11:1-5, the bible says that there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a branch shall grow out of His roots: And the Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon(or up on) Him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge, and of the fear of the Lord: And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord....."
The bible is talking about a man here, born out of Jesse, the father of king David who is from the jewish tribe of Judah. The bible said that this child will be anointed with all these facets of God's spirit.
In Isaiah 9:6-8, the bible says "For unto us a child is born and a son is given, and the government shall rest upon His shoulder: and his name shall be called wonderful counselor, The mighty God, the everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."
Who is this child that was prophesized by a Jewish prophet long before Jesus was born on earth? Look what Isaiah says, He says that this is a son of a human woman, making him human, yet He shall be called Mighty God, and everlasting Father. He again mentioned that this person was from the throne of King David who was from the tribe of Judah. (Please keep this in mind as we go forward)
In Isaiah again in chapter 7, verses 13-14, for it says "......hear ye now, O house of David (tribe of Judah), Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Again, another reference to the tribe of Judah. A mention of a virgin given birth to man who's name is called Immanuel which means in the Hebrew "God is with us."
So here we are again, the child of a woman, yet he is called God. The Hebrew bible says here that he will be a King forever. No human king can sit on a throne forever, only God can do that. So how could a king sit upon a throne forever unless He was God? But now, how could God being the creator be a descendant of His own creation? Unless He planned on becoming one with man through a virgin.
Now let us address my daughter getting pregnant and claiming to be impregnated by the Spirit of God. I know she is a lie
because what she just said doesn't line up with prophecy. First of all, I am not a descendant of David, so I am disqualified
right there. Joseph was a descendant of David. The book of Matthew traces his direct descendant to David as well as Mary.
Both of them were from the tribe of Judah. This is why they lived in Judea which was occupied by the descendants of Judah.
Also Mary was a virgin. So what happened to Mary lines up with the prophecy written by the prophet Isaiah. No other Jewish
women in Jewish history have claimed to be impregnated by God. People of other ethnic groups have however, all through out history. And I would entertain the thought of their sons being the one Isaiah spoke of if they were (1) Jewish and (2) from the tribe of Judah. So yeah, if my daughter got pregnant, then yeah, I'll know it wasn't God. But when Mary Got pregnant, I knew it was the Spirit of God. God does everything by His Spirit. We see that in Genesis 1:2, that the Spirit of God was presence before God could begin creating. I hope now you are starting to see how different the Qu' ran and the bible are. As well as all other religions.
(ID wrote) "and also, KJV? I thought the book was co-written by shakespeare, and the guy was a homosexual..."
First of all, the KJV of the bible was translated from the original hebrew and greek books by 40 translators. All these translators were scholars who knew latin, hebrew, and greek. And their translations lined up with another translator John Wyclif who translated the bible from hebrew and greek to english some 200 years before King James was even born. All of these scholars believed the books of the prophets and the apostles were the word of God and took very seriously their task of translating it to english. Neither Shakespeare or KJV translated the bible themselves. The bible is only called the KJV because King James was the king at that time. And Shakespeare had nothing to do with the translation of the bible. The bible was considered to be sacred and back then, the people would not have allowed a playwright to tamper with the bible. If you go to this website,
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/transtoc.htm
It will give you the background on all 40 translators of the bible during King James reign as king.
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