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"Jalen Rose: "(Duke) only recruited players that were Uncle Toms.""
Wed Mar-09-11 09:02 AM by Expertise

  

          

http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/2011/03/08/jalen-rose-i-hated-duke-they-only-recruited-black-players-who-were-uncle-toms/

They’re college basketball’s most talked about team that never won anything, known as the Fab Five, Michigan’s 1991 recruiting class which included Jalen Rose, Jimmy King, Ray Jackson, Chris Webber and Juwan Howard. Interesting to see that 18 years later, they still harbor some bitterness over what they weren’t able to accomplish. With special acrimony still reserved for Duke. Rose, King and Jackson appeared on ESPN’s First Take this morning to discuss 30 for 30’s documentary on the Fab Five that will air on Sunday.

About midway through the First Take segment, they played a clip from the documentary in which Rose says:

“For me, Duke was personal. I hated Duke. And I hated everything I felt Duke stood for. Schools like Duke didn’t recruit players like me. I felt like they only recruited black players that were Uncle Toms.”

Asked about the comment, Rose didn’t exactly backtrack, but elaborated:

“Well, certain schools recruit a typical kind of player whether the world admits it or not. And Duke is one of those schools. They recruit black players from polished families, accomplished families. And that’s fine. That’s okay. But when you’re an inner-city kid playing in a public school league, you know that certain schools aren’t going to recruit you. That’s one. And I’m okay with it. That’s how I felt as an 18-year-old kid.”

Hard to know where to start here. First, obviously you’re not “okay with it,” because if you were you wouldn’t still sound so bitter. For their parts, King and Jackson agreed, Jackson saying that he appreciates now “what has accomplished,” but he still hates them.

Looks like an interesting documentary. The Fab Five brought a “hip-hop flavor” to the game and changed it in many ways, but never won a Big Ten or national championship. Ironically, they’re probably best known for Webber’s phantom time out call against North Carolina in 1993, and a huge NCAA rules scandal that resulted a few years later in the firing of coach Steve Fisher and several sanctions against the school.

I’m not even going to get into the sadness of Rose playing the “Uncle Tom” card. That’s just beneath you, Jalen, in so many ways.
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Jalen Rose: "(Duke) only recruited players that were Uncle Toms." [View all] , Expertise, Wed Mar-09-11 08:35 AM
 
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lol
Mar 09th 2011
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Duke? NUKE(D) 'EM
Mar 09th 2011
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hey hey hey now....pump those brakes Jalen
Mar 09th 2011
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After hearing this Thomas Hill used the word "jiggaboo" ....
Mar 09th 2011
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Referred to Duke as wannabes, School Daze music number ensued
Mar 09th 2011
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Mar 09th 2011
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you know..smh
Mar 09th 2011
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people dont read anymore
Mar 09th 2011
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i'm saying. and his thoughts as an 18 y.o. were valid. he might know
Mar 09th 2011
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ONLY IN HERE TO COMMENT ON THIS
Mar 09th 2011
      RE: ONLY IN HERE TO COMMENT ON THIS
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Right? And who didn't feel that way then about Duke?
Mar 09th 2011
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Funny how a accurate observation is called
Mar 09th 2011
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Right....like cats could fathom Jalen in a Duke uniform.
Mar 09th 2011
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      Actually, Jalen was the academic high achiever of the group
Mar 09th 2011
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           Webb is a history buff. His folks were hard workers.
Mar 09th 2011
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           yeah, are Webber and Battier from the same high school?
Mar 09th 2011
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                YES!
Mar 09th 2011
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                yup, Detroit Country Day notable alumni: CWebb, Battier, guru0509
Mar 09th 2011
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                     Which one of these is not like the other......
Mar 09th 2011
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                     ^^^damb this kinda ends the whole post
Mar 11th 2011
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           doesn't change the point
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           I'd heard Juwan Howard did alright too.
Mar 09th 2011
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                they were the Bullets in his rookie year
Mar 10th 2011
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He's an 18-year-old from Detroit. Of course he felt that way.
Mar 09th 2011
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of course, because K doesn't recruit 18-year-olds from Detroit.
Mar 11th 2011
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Duke doesnt recruit inner city kids from public school leagues?
Mar 09th 2011
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word I'm waiting for a list or something
Mar 09th 2011
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I just had an odd revelation about this whole UNLV-Fab 5 shit:
Mar 09th 2011
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i take larry johnson no injury over grant hill no injury
Mar 09th 2011
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right, at the very least u cant say 'if he hadnt' w/one & not the other
Mar 09th 2011
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No, you wouldn't.
Mar 09th 2011
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watch the film, youngin
Mar 09th 2011
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      LJ did work, then after year 2 dipped. LJ vs top pf's
Mar 09th 2011
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           yeah dude is severely missing the mark re: LJ as a pro
Mar 09th 2011
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                Nah, LJ was nice.
Mar 09th 2011
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                     I dunno PF is easier list to climb and Hill top 5? Dunno
Mar 09th 2011
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                          fact is: we don't know
Mar 09th 2011
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I wouldn't Grant HIll coulda been THAT dude
Mar 15th 2011
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a crusade against "nigga shit"?
Mar 09th 2011
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Grant Hill is the only likeable player Duke ever had.
Mar 09th 2011
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Grant and Johnny Dawkins nm
Mar 09th 2011
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Johnny Dawkins was the truth, too. dude was bad. i STILL hated
Mar 09th 2011
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Elton Brand, Shane Battier, Jayson Williams
Mar 09th 2011
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BATTY DOGG
Mar 09th 2011
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Luol Deng too
Mar 09th 2011
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eh, I like Battier but I dunno that he was considered 'likeable' at Duke
Mar 09th 2011
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I know you're a big Chris Duhon fan....lol
Mar 09th 2011
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      ugh, one of the worst gambling moments ever
Mar 09th 2011
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Battier? lol, no
Mar 15th 2011
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Will Avery
Mar 09th 2011
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man, coaching will always beat raw talent when it comes to
Mar 09th 2011
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Oh, no, I don't hate the black kids at all.
Mar 09th 2011
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The kids K rercuits are already "well-rounded citizens"
Mar 09th 2011
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gotcha
Mar 09th 2011
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I should be noted tho that the Fab 5 turned out to be decent ppl
Mar 14th 2011
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said everything i was gonna say, but much more concise.
Mar 09th 2011
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RE: I just had an odd revelation about this whole UNLV-Fab 5 shit:
Mar 09th 2011
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you ain't gonna trick nobody into bad talking grant hill to knock down
Mar 09th 2011
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^^^real talk. O_E was way off the reservation with that post. n/m
Mar 09th 2011
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I think everyone needs to take a chill pill.
Mar 09th 2011
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your original argument was full of shit...
Mar 09th 2011
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Wow. You are MAD as shit and contradicting yourself doggie
Mar 09th 2011
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naw, you need to stick to boxing and leave the basketball alone...
Mar 09th 2011
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BWAHAHA. Truth in here MAKING SHIT UP now
Mar 09th 2011
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      lol, nobody was rooting against Grant Hill, even the most die-hard...
Mar 09th 2011
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           LOL. That isn't true, at all. You're just copping pleas
Mar 10th 2011
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                most of my Duke hate was directed at Danny Ferry and Quinn...
Mar 11th 2011
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                     LOL - your boy O_E done sold out!
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and also, name names...
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RE: Wow. You are MAD as shit and contradicting yourself doggie
Mar 09th 2011
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didn't LJ have a ridiculous vertical leap pre-injury?
Mar 09th 2011
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Yeah, but this "athleticism" debate is outright hilarious
Mar 09th 2011
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      O, u brought up higher vertical leap in favor of Hill over any UNLV guy
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           Nah, Augmon is the one who had a higher vertical leap...he was known
Mar 09th 2011
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                RE: Nah, Augmon is the one who had a higher vertical leap...he was known
Mar 09th 2011
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                     but still...Augmon was the vertical leaper as oposed to LJ and as a
Mar 09th 2011
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                     Like I said earlier, you can never know what their vert is...
Mar 09th 2011
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                          but I feel like we did know, I just can't find that out online somehow
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                          I know I'm witch you, I'm saying we can't tell from watching a game.
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                          Only time he jumped that high was to get a box of cereal off the shelf
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                               Spoon was in a dunk contest too! Lol
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                                    damn, I've now been reminded of Spoon & Gilliam here in a 24 hour period
Mar 09th 2011
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                                         I'll raise you a Lawrence Funderburk n/m
Mar 10th 2011
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                                              great name from the past (would love to have seen he & Knight's battles)
Mar 10th 2011
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GAT DAMN Truth....tell him why you mad son!
Mar 09th 2011
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^^^^^^ Latif the truth speaker
Mar 09th 2011
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flopping(a HUGE part of Duke's defensive scheme) is not gully
Mar 09th 2011
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      BWAHAHAHA. You sound maaaad as shit, doggie
Mar 09th 2011
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           nope
Mar 09th 2011
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                Oh, explains it all. 'cuse runs one of the pussiest zones in the nation.
Mar 09th 2011
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                     dumb shit^^^
Mar 09th 2011
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got damn u ethered that silly nigga
Mar 09th 2011
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WRONG...
Mar 09th 2011
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      I think they said that much. They said Duke was better than them
Mar 09th 2011
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eh no comment more interested in healthy GH vs healthy LJ
Mar 09th 2011
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LJ was more polished. GH had a higher ceiling.
Mar 09th 2011
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      RE: LJ was more polished. GH had a higher ceiling.
Mar 09th 2011
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      Yeah we're remembering Grant too fondly
Mar 09th 2011
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      No, you remember LJ too fondly.
Mar 09th 2011
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      Grant NEVER won. His teams weren't worse than Bron's.
Mar 09th 2011
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      grant hill had shit teams and faced zo and mutombo and shaq every year
Mar 09th 2011
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      But he WAS losing to Steve Smith led Hawks...lol.
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      if it was just steve WITHOUT mutombo, grant woulda shit on them
Mar 10th 2011
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      lol @ plea-copping losing to the HAWKS twice
Mar 10th 2011
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           nigga, the hawks were better teams...
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                uh-huh
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      LJ didnt prove he could win either so u cant give him an advantage there
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      I am not sure where to start with that one
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      right, Grant Hill is actually a better defender now than when he...
Mar 09th 2011
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           ^^^Non-fiction
Mar 09th 2011
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      Robinson was more dominant than Hill, too, but that is not a big knock
Mar 09th 2011
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      LOL. Glenn Rob was never better, at anything, than Grant Hill.
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           22ppg as a rookie.This is Lebron vs Melo before Lebron vs Melo
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           BWAHAHAHAHA. You never watched Glen Robinson play.
Mar 09th 2011
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                No, I did watch Glenn.
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                     LMAO. Proof you never watched Glenn Robinson.
Mar 09th 2011
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                          If R.O.Y is based on numbers his were better than Hill & Kidd
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                               except they weren't...he just had a higher scoring average
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                                    He scored more, rebounded the same, and won more than Grant...
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                                         rebounded the same as in LESS...and his team was way better
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                                              RE: rebounded the same as in LESS...and his team was way better
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           I was talking about DAVID Robinson, where are you getting Glenn from?
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      come on fam
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      Nah, fam, Grant had more skills than LJ but LJ was a waaaaay
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           BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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                RE: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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      It's kinda funny I would reverse the names in that sentence
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           LJ was definitely closer to his ceiling as a rookie.
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                lol. LJ had a back injury that rendered him 90 percent for the rest
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                     You sound mad.
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                     90% is generous. He couldn't jump and started shooting 3's.
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Grant Hill showed up on the front page
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Good points i guess..but im not sure
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what's so sad about him saying "uncle toms"?
Mar 09th 2011
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*shrugs*
Mar 09th 2011
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Cats gotta get them clicks *smh*
Mar 09th 2011
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw-0ln9L48c
Mar 09th 2011
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lol this was in the related videos
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nick mad 'cause Fab Five owned cincinnati
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I have never ever rooted for Duke, not one time, but having said
Mar 09th 2011
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He dropped the ball with Grant Hill though
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I didn't know abt Grant Hill. Did he want to go to G'Town too?
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Yeah
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      fam, I didn't even know that was a story in SI abt Kenny Anderson
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           RE: fam, I didn't even know that was a story in SI abt Kenny Anderson
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That's a very good question. I would say in the 90s, more so the mid
Mar 09th 2011
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When did he stop giving a fuck & start with reclamation projects?
Mar 09th 2011
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he loved reclamation projects. i don't know what vee-lover's tlaking abo...
Mar 09th 2011
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      LOL - and Graham was dismissed from the school shortly after
Mar 09th 2011
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      you overspoke. i fucks with JT. Jr
Mar 09th 2011
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      I don't see Victor Page using correct parenthetical citations..
Mar 09th 2011
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Michael Graham, Victor Page...
Mar 09th 2011
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      But you're talking abt a coachin career that spans almost 30 yrs.
Mar 09th 2011
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      80's? Reggie Williams stole on n*ggas...
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           And Christian Laettner stomped a dude in his chest on national tv
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      John Thompson also faced down Rayful Edmunds....
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Duke does recruit a certain type of player....
Mar 09th 2011
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^^^^^focused
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WC: the human, anti-Duke version of the Phantasm ball.
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      warren coolidge isn't really anti-Duke...just Pro-Reality...
Mar 09th 2011
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      Dub it kinda hurts the argument when theyre the reigning national champs
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      Will they deserve it tho?
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           if they win the ACC, certainly, you act like there'a a bunch of teams
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                If you think TOSU being better than Duke is lmao worthy,
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                the point was: a) with Kryie, they'd be a #1 overall heading in
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                if the Bruins had played a providence
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                http://www.misfittoys.net/tvtime/grinch/town1.jpg
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                Naw not a bunch. But they didn't win the ACC regular season title.
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                     uh, yeah, that's why 'if' was in there
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      RE: warren coolidge isn't really anti-Duke...just Pro-Reality...
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      http://www.misfittoys.net/tvtime/grinch/town1.jpg
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      ^^^don't know why but i'm lmao @ this
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WE ARE HERE! WE ARE HERE! WE ARE HERE!
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C'mon, Webber went to Country Day
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LMAO ... Webber is another story tho
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He would have dominated in ANY league....and you know it
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      RE: He would have dominated in ANY league....and you know it
Mar 09th 2011
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           Nah I know ur from the D
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More insight on why Jalen hated Duke.
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Duke Basketball really brings out the bitch in a black man...PERIOD
Mar 09th 2011
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lol
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okay...that Cherokee Parks shit made me spit out my drink, lol
Mar 09th 2011
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lmao...killin it.
Mar 09th 2011
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Lol. I like Duke because I hate Roy Williams.
Mar 10th 2011
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hahahahahahahaha.... this nigga ba came thru + stomped out the skyline
Mar 10th 2011
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That Cherokee Parks reference would be better served
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RE: Duke Basketball really brings out the bitch in a black man...PERIOD
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lol
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all real niggas hated duke even before then....
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RE: all real niggas hated duke even before then....
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What are they like 50? Who are these people? The
Mar 10th 2011
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      yeah nigga we was hatn on duke while u was runnin 'round drinkin similac
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btw, jalen just did bill simmons' podcast:
Mar 10th 2011
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The subplot of Jalen and Jimmy Walker is way more interesting
Mar 10th 2011
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Is that a good podcast in your opinion?
Mar 10th 2011
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      No...for the most part. It depends on the guest.
Mar 10th 2011
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      i love what a miserable prick russillo is
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           russillo = dat (white) nigga
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                He said Bron is using his headband to cover up his receding hairline...
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                     nigga said "his balding power alleys"... i was dying.
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      it's hit or miss...
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      ty guys
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this pic on OTL had me dying: http://i52.tinypic.com/292vbie.jpg
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Lol......and how much grief did Grant get...
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LOL!
Mar 10th 2011
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The Hill family always been on some pro-black shit, though
Mar 10th 2011
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this line really got me
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      *shrugs* I hate to say it, but its true.
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           oh I get it, that's why it cracked me up, the 'bigger than the score' st...
Mar 10th 2011
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           i wouldn't be surprised if somebody did make a grant hill doc
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           We get it...you're mad the Fab 5 & UNLV were deemed more interesting &
Mar 10th 2011
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                I have a good job and a 9 inch dick, no homo.
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                     Ending flagarantly gay comments with "no homo" doesn't make it less gay
Mar 10th 2011
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LMAO @ the OPP, especially cause my Dad found out what it was
Mar 15th 2011
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There's always room for Jell-O.
Mar 10th 2011
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Punk try and ask why ours be better...
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lol
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i urge everybody to listen to Jalen's interview on Sports Guy podcast
Mar 10th 2011
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Archive.
Mar 10th 2011
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This was a good convo though. Even though his comment wasn't...
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im still laughing at Grant Hill having more hops than Jimmy King
Mar 11th 2011
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Grant Hill's hops were easily better than Jimmy King's
Mar 11th 2011
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      cmon, im a pistons fan. i watched grant hill during his prime years
Mar 11th 2011
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Bobby Hurley was just on the Herd talking about the Fab Five
Mar 14th 2011
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Damn Bobby
Mar 14th 2011
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He's from J.C.
Mar 14th 2011
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bobby WAS hood. st anth's in JC. his pops is a NJ coaching legend.
Mar 15th 2011
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdXmRDevSgs
Mar 15th 2011
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Duke vs Michigan's Biggest irony
Mar 14th 2011
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and even if that weren't true michigan is whiiite as shiiiiiiit
Mar 14th 2011
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LMAO @ Dominguez. That is by far the Blackest school West of TX
Mar 15th 2011
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wait, what? you mean like, by percentage?
Mar 15th 2011
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Jalen still sticking to it on 1st&10. he digging himself even deeper.
Mar 15th 2011
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how so?
Mar 15th 2011
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I was unaware he ever started digging
Mar 15th 2011
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realest comment was "duke wouldn't recruit me, but
Mar 15th 2011
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I mean he wasn't lying lolol Goddamn @ how we argue the truth
Mar 15th 2011
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Rose says Hill to help support new charter school
May 16th 2011
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Thank you for not burying this. Now perhaps this shit can be deaded.
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