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>>>>>doesn't mean a lot nowadays...maybe if the San Francisco >>>>>Giants had won a world series in their history it would >>>>>matter...but since they haven't **shrugs** >>>>> >>>> >>>>...and love to take a shot at a Giant. lol!! >>> >>>in fact I'd probably be inclined to like Barry Bonds (if he >>>didn't come across as such a cry baby a-hole for so many >>>years) because I like his father as a player (showing my >>>age...lol)... >>> >>>Willie McCovey is one of 5 favorite baseball players >>>ever.....my #1 favorite Baseball player ever was the Giants >>>manager for many years, Dusty Baker.... >>> >>>don't hate the Giants at all...but I am a Dodger fan.. >>> >>>I don't really hate any of my teams main rivals really...at >>>least not anymore.....Love and hate don't have to co-exist >>in >>>sports.... >>> >>>> >>>>>but seriously...I'm just being honest..the excuses and >>>pleas >>>>>that are being copped for this guy are just beyond >>amazing. >>>> >>>>Its not pleas, its keeping things in perspective. >>> >>>it's pleas man....people playing the race card with a cat >>who >>>10 years ago would have cursed you out for coming at him >>with >>>some Black stuff......and saying "everyone else does it" to >>>justify or minimize the issue.. >>> >>>those are pleas and excuses man... >>> >> >>Its not necessarily the race card. Last time I checked, >Barry >>was on some OJ Simpson sh*t. lol!! Its not like we are >talking >>about MLB's version of Jim Brown here. > >exactly....not you, but others on this board have acted like >Barry Bonds was Paul robeson or something....lol > >dude is conveniently Black....when he's in trouble ya know... > >> >>>Barry Bonds >>>>ain't the bad guy in all of this. >>> >>>yeah he is. But there are culpable elements...Major league >>>Baseball..and the players union are culpable...but Barry >>Bonds >>>is responsible for what he did..as with any grown man. >>> >> >>True. >> >> >>>How can we say he's the stand up Black man getting attacked >>by >>>the White devils, and then say that he's so weak that he is >>>not responsible for what he does.... >>> >> >>Who is saying he is a stand-up Black man. I don't think >>anybody is. > >stick around this post..you'll see it....lol. > > He is man, who happens to be black, that speaks >>his mind and is his own person. THAT is problem for a lot of >>whites. Whether you are a pro-black panther type cat or a >Theo >>Huxtable type cat? > >aww Jam.....You hurt my heart brother.....What would make Theo >huxtable the antithesis of being a pro-black panther??? The >guys who started the Panthers were educated folks....being >bright and carrying yourself with that type of dignity doesn't >mean one can't be revolutionary pro-Black...... >
I got you. I look at Cosby being a revolutionary, pro-black. Even though his style is what people would think is the antithesis of that. I'm just talking on the surface and the presentation. Cuz, quiet as kept, the Panthers loved them some white women. lol!!!
>and remember Theo's character chose a career in educating >young people, which is very much in line with the Black >panther agenda no??? >
Yes, Warren. I know. lol!!
>I know that it's totally off topic, and I may be a bit touchy >today, but since you're someone I respect on here I feel it >cool to say that....A "Theo" type isn't going to face any less >challenges from a White power structure than a kid from the >streets..and in fact will probably face more......So they >don't need us to divide them away from being "pro-Black" >
I disagree. He will face challenges, but not as much. Its the presentation and image. A "Theo" type would have a better shot in the coporate-structure than say a "Jim Brown" type. Both are higly educated and intellectual, but the image is different. Unfortunately that is the way it is. Shouldn't be that way, but it is that way.
>can't have it both ways man. >>> >>> HE did what everybody else >>>>did. >>> >>>and if my son came to me and used that as an excuse as to >>why >>>he got in trouble...he's going to get in extra trouble with >>>me...... >>> >> >>I'm not lessoning what he did. But if you are going to >attack >>him in the same vile manner, lets go after everybody. > >How vile is it though Jam??? I don't see anything vile at all >about how he's being treated.....the most famous player in a >sport is being accused of something that is not only illegal, >but also calls into question his accomplishments... > >are they supposed to NOT cover the story?? >
I'm not saying to NOT cover the story. They should be on it. Just like the situation with Gretzki and his wife. They were on it. BUT, the comments I hear and read from day-to-day being made by Bonds disturb me. Its over the line. Its in a vile manner. And I think this is the perfect avenue to channel whatever pent-up hatred people have and place it on Barry.
>are they dragging his late father, or his wife and kids >through the mud??? are the going after his godfather Willie >Mays as being Culpable??? > >The only think close to it was them reporting what his >mistress said under oath....had she just said they had an >affair, they wouldn't have covered it...but she said he was on >roids, so that made it news. > > >>Everybody is fair game. Steriods, cheating was as much as >part >>of the game as chewing tabacco. > >Chewing tabacco is not illegal. >
Yes, I hear you. Barry WAS wrong IF he did KNOWINGLY do that stuff. Nothing has been proven in a court of law.
>Let's be real. MLB knew it and >>did nothing about it, which enabled the use and really >>suggests they approved of it. > >and MLB is responsible for that...I agree. > >> >> >>> >>>Everybody suspects, supporters and non-supporters of >>>>Bonds,that he took *something* other than vitamins. But to >>>>pile up on him disproportionately when other players have >>>done >>>>is what the root of the problem is. >>> >>>he's being piled upon...yet he was given a pass on >>testifying >>>in front of congress??? he's being piled upon yet he is >>being >>>accused of doing something that is illegal, and he's not >>been >>>arrested, indited or anything of the sort.... >>> >>>he's being piled upon???? >>> >>>no way... >>>
The Congress he was given a pass. But I think there was a reason for that. And I think there is a lot more to this story that is being reported. A whole lot more! But I understand where you are coming from.
>> >>Yes he is being piled upon. Everything that is coming out is >>nothing new. Why should this be any shock. > >it's enough of a shock for people to continue to deny he's on >roids, or to make excuses. > >and really the fact he hasn't come clean is another reason. > > Its just redundant >>and reaks of an agenda. > >So you're saying that folks should just forget about it...or >pretend that he hasn't used roids??? It's a big story, and >it's a story that's gonna get covered. >
No. Being covered is one thing. But that attitude of the media that is there is beyond just merely "seeking justice".
> Its the same thing over and over >>again. > >actually it's DIFFERENT PEOPLE saying the same thing...and >since there are folks who are still defending him....since >he's still denying it.....and since he's on pace to set some >pretty monumental records...it's still a story in progress. > >Its character assasination. > >no..it's a guy getting his card pulled, and getting exposed >for a truth, he continues to lie about. That happens when you >cheat..and when you do things that are illegal. >
I don't think Bonds is being exposed. I think its kind of assumed that everybody knows what happened with him, even Bonds.
> > The fact that he is black, >>successful, and isn't a programmed robot adds fuel to the >>fire, Warren. Come on, let's be real. You know this. > > >But Black people being treated differently in society is a >given. That's how it works. But that doesn't change the fact >that the guy was on steroids. and that steroids are illegal. > >
No, it doesn't.
>> >>>the fact that a guy who is a great player is under this >>>suspistion....and hasn't been man enough to come clean on >>what >>>he's done...is a story...it's a big story, and it deserves >>to >>>be covered...and even in the coverage..he's getting a pass >>at >>>every turn.....Don't let his cry baby act fool you about he >>>and his family being destroyed by the media...the >>facts...the >>>plain and simple facts show that to be pure and utter >>>bullsh*t >>> >>> >> >> >>Getting a pass? Warren, are you serious!? Now THAT is >>bullsh*t. What newspaper do you read and what news channels >do >>you watch? > >They are covering a big story...that's what the media does. > > You would think Barry is Satan, from everything I >>read and hear on then news. > >no..you would think he used steroids. > >Its way overboard. Sure, Barry >>brought some of this on himself. > But the media is trying to >>destroy him when they know good and well that they have an >>agenda that is bigger than seeking "justice" against Bonds >>only for the simple fact that he ALLEGEDLY knew he took >>steriods. > >By getting a pass...I meant that he, even though being the >most recognized Baseball player in the world.....with the >greatest level of suspision...was not called to testify as >others were in front of congress... >
Again, that was some behind the scenes stuff with Congress and MLB. That is why I said, there is a lot more to why he wasn't called.
>so explain that....how is he getting demonized like you're >saying, yet wasn't seen as being needed to testify in front of >congress???? >
But the only thing you are referring to is the Congress situation. He is already being tried in the media and by a grand jury. The preponderance of character assassination attempts against Barry is enourmous in the media. That is what I'm talking about.
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