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"Poll question: Should Cleveland trade Wiggins for Love?"


          

When people talk about Kevin Love the first thing they do is talk about his stats.

Much like Chris Bosh leaving Toronto going to Miami, Love's stats are most likely going to drop quite a bit going to a team with 2 other All-stars where he'll be the 2nd or possibly the 3rd option.

So then you have to look past the stats and determine what he'll actually bring to a team with Lebron and Kyrie and determine if that's really worth a max contract.

Poll result (62 votes)
Yes (25 votes)Vote
No (37 votes)Vote

  

  

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Should Cleveland trade Wiggins for Love? [View all] , ThaTruth, Sat Jul-19-14 06:19 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
What do you want out of a number one pick?
Jul 17th 2014
1
Another rumor..nothing official.
Aug 05th 2014
409
What do you want out of a number one pick?
Jul 17th 2014
2
not sure how any of this is even debatable.
Jul 17th 2014
3
      I guess it comes down to how good you actually think Kevin Love is...
Jul 17th 2014
5
      You need Wiggins to be good inside of one year, two max
Jul 17th 2014
10
      Not "eventually" even, how about "immediately?"
Jul 17th 2014
11
      Maybe not if I had a guarantee Hans stays healthy but anyone else, sure
Jul 18th 2014
29
Let's change this to what does Kevin love bring focus on +
Jul 17th 2014
4
RE: Let's change this to what does Kevin love bring focus on +
Jul 17th 2014
6
he doesnt have to
Jul 17th 2014
8
      RE: he doesnt have to
Jul 18th 2014
28
This is actually a good point:
Jul 17th 2014
14
      IMO that is a misleading stat though
Jul 18th 2014
63
Why not play it out a month or two into the season?
Jul 17th 2014
7
Twolves will move him
Jul 17th 2014
9
well said and now we see why this poll is swinging
Jul 17th 2014
13
That underestimates how singular of a commodity Love is.
Jul 17th 2014
12
^^ yup, the real turning point is rookie deal v. Kevin Love's $$$
Jul 18th 2014
50
      Flexibility for what? So they could sign a worse player than Love?
Jul 18th 2014
64
           Cavs roster, as is, has 3 All-Stars on it; they need rotation guys
Jul 18th 2014
72
                They dont have four years to wait and why should they?
Jul 18th 2014
141
                     that sort of short-term thinking woulda been a hit at Bear Stearns
Jul 18th 2014
159
                          RE: that sort of short-term thinking woulda been a hit at Bear Stearns
Jul 18th 2014
177
                               but we've just seen how the 3 MAX player scenario plays out
Jul 18th 2014
191
                                    Teams with three max players have won 5 of the last 7 chips lmap
Jul 18th 2014
204
                                    i love how the heat have become this failed experiment/cautionary tale
Jul 18th 2014
214
                                    MIA was one rebound away for being 1 for 4, only won in the lockout year
Jul 18th 2014
217
                                         the heat's window was small b/c wade got old overnight.
Jul 18th 2014
221
                                         They went to the Finals FOUR TIMES. Even if they Buffalo Billed it
Jul 19th 2014
228
                                    Each of those big 3's has a 2-way big as one of the max deals
Jul 18th 2014
218
                                         they wouldn't need *another* top dollar 2-way big on top of their big 3 ...
Jul 18th 2014
220
                                         "cheap" rim protectors? you know how much Hibbert gets paid, right?
Jul 18th 2014
222
                                         they could find one in the draft.
Jul 18th 2014
224
                                         If only it was that easy to project effective bigs
Jul 18th 2014
225
                                              I know, for every Ibaka, there's 2 or 3 Biyombo's and Rudy Gobert's
Jul 18th 2014
226
                                                   umm, what's wrong with biyombo or gobert?
Jul 20th 2014
239
                                                        aiyo.. seriously tho, guys...
Jul 22nd 2014
287
                                         You can keep repeating this, but it won't make it meaningful
Jul 20th 2014
233
                                              You repeatedly saying it isn't meaningful doesn't make that meaningful
Jul 20th 2014
242
                                                   Again, I'm just not seeing a net gain with Wiggins/dealbreaker w/Love
Jul 21st 2014
250
                                                   why not go after Hibbert?
Jul 21st 2014
251
                                                        And what do they use to acquire Hibbert?
Jul 21st 2014
255
                                                             Suddenly, I'm the guy under appreciating Hibbert?
Jul 21st 2014
262
                                                                  huh?
Jul 22nd 2014
272
                                                                       waiters/bennett really wouldn't get hibbert?
Jul 22nd 2014
275
                                                                            Conversation started? Sure. Deal done? I'm not as sure
Jul 23rd 2014
295
                                                   but it isn't.
Jul 21st 2014
253
                                                        EGGZACKLEE (c) Magic Johnson
Jul 21st 2014
256
                                                             dudes are tripping.
Jul 22nd 2014
267
                                                                  both of them are cheap because they're on rookie contracts
Jul 22nd 2014
276
                                                                       nothing's stopping CLE from drafting / trading for a guy...
Jul 22nd 2014
277
                                                                            an nba championship team doesn't start mozgov or mahinmi
Jul 22nd 2014
278
                                                                                 EGGZACKLEE (c) Magic Johnson
Jul 22nd 2014
279
                                                                                 to be honest...
Jul 22nd 2014
282
                                                                                 an nba championship team doesn't start haslem and joel anthony at center
Jul 22nd 2014
280
                                                                                 Biyombo didn't get enough meaningful minutes for those stats to matter
Jul 22nd 2014
286
                                                                                 question:
Jul 22nd 2014
288
                                                                                 Lopez would be nice. but he's not "cheap" anymore
Jul 23rd 2014
321
                                                                                 ok i see.
Jul 23rd 2014
352
                                                                                 it's not unreasonable
Jul 23rd 2014
355
                                                                                 it's a challenge i'd gladly welcome.
Jul 23rd 2014
357
                                                                                 Why not? They could get three or four such guys for $ of Hibbert
Jul 23rd 2014
343
                                                                                 playing next to duncan vs. next to love matters, imo
Jul 23rd 2014
351
                                                                                 why were people posting like they didnt have varejao and thompson tho?
Nov 02nd 2014
519
                                    "the best draft prospect in years"?
Jul 18th 2014
212
I wouldn't, their team defense would suffer immensely
Jul 17th 2014
15
This is where I'm at:
Jul 18th 2014
16
RE: I wouldn't, their team defense would suffer immensely
Jul 18th 2014
19
Sure, but they have completely different defensive roles
Jul 18th 2014
22
Exactly, his strengths are already the Cavs strengths
Jul 18th 2014
20
Bro, WTF does Bosh have to do with it?
Jul 18th 2014
68
      The point is you need rim and paint protection
Jul 18th 2014
135
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bsy6BOgIEAAsGA5.jpg
Jul 18th 2014
17
No - and I luls me some K Love but he plays ABSOLUTELY NO defense
Jul 18th 2014
18
So? Is Wiggins going to be their presence inside?
Jul 18th 2014
65
the NO votes are insane to me
Jul 18th 2014
21
I'm saying, WTF, how is this thing still basically even?
Jul 18th 2014
67
I'd at LEAST wait until the trade deadline.
Jul 18th 2014
23
It will HURT the CAVS defensively
Jul 18th 2014
24
Let's look at this from all angles:
Jul 18th 2014
25
i think they can win either way
Jul 18th 2014
26
If that's what it takes then HELL YES & anyone disagreeing is a dumb ass
Jul 18th 2014
27
it really is hard to believe.
Jul 18th 2014
34
U & I'll be back in this post later surveying the wreckage like this one...
Jul 24th 2014
360
RE: If that's what it takes then HELL YES & anyone disagreeing is a dumb...
Jul 18th 2014
46
/post
Jul 18th 2014
92
yes, over and over and over.
Jul 18th 2014
30
Cleveland has to try and win now..
Jul 18th 2014
31
I agree, this is their window
Jul 18th 2014
32
      if they think he won't leave again for a chance to win chips
Jul 18th 2014
33
           and that's the thing, keeping Wiggins even if Lebron leaves you still...
Jul 18th 2014
44
                but they're betting on winning & keeping Bron the rest of his career
Jul 18th 2014
116
What about opportunity cost?
Jul 18th 2014
35
Love's stats likely dropping doesn't matter
Jul 18th 2014
36
meh if lebron really is pushing for this then it's good as done
Jul 18th 2014
37
In all the months building up to the draft
Jul 18th 2014
43
      yea i'm talking about the excitement now
Jul 18th 2014
47
Y'all think Kyrie taking a backseat to Love?
Jul 18th 2014
38
Right, Love is going to be on Chris Bosh 3rd banana status and that's...
Jul 18th 2014
40
      he's more accomplished than kyrie and better offensively than bosh
Jul 18th 2014
41
           "more accomplished" in what regard?
Jul 18th 2014
42
                every?
Jul 18th 2014
45
                     neither one has ever been to the playoffs so neither has accomplished...
Jul 18th 2014
52
                          k
Jul 18th 2014
54
Lol, no brainer. Bird in the hand >>>>
Jul 18th 2014
39
it's 13+ boards, man...and if they throw in dieng...you HAVE to do it
Jul 18th 2014
48
Ok, so would the Cavs be the fav to win it all if they got Love?
Jul 18th 2014
49
whatever. Cavs come out the East.
Jul 18th 2014
51
And they can do that *without* Love lol but even w/Love I don't
Jul 18th 2014
55
lol, Kyrie didn't want to share the ball with Waiters and now he's gotta...
Jul 18th 2014
57
no...WAITERS gonna have to share the ball. Kyrie will be fine.
Jul 18th 2014
66
      I basically agree with you about Kyrie which is why I think Love is goin...
Jul 18th 2014
78
           it's more about his skills than his stats...
Jul 18th 2014
101
                I don't know, playing with 2 penetrators like Lebron and Kryie, Love...
Jul 18th 2014
118
                     he's been perimeter oriented. he's worked on improving range every year
Jul 18th 2014
128
                          right, and his rebounding numbers are going in the opposite direction
Jul 18th 2014
130
                               not really...there's not legit correlation there
Jul 18th 2014
132
nah, they're still behind the Spurs
Jul 18th 2014
59
that's thing, people are acting Love = automatic title when that ain't.....
Jul 18th 2014
73
      i don't think people are acting like that
Jul 18th 2014
80
To win it all? We don't know yet. To win the East? YES.
Jul 18th 2014
62
nah. which undermines the biggest part of the pro-Love argument
Jul 18th 2014
71
      my point exactly, lol
Jul 18th 2014
79
      ^^Egg zacklee.....if they (meaning Bron/front office) think by adding
Jul 18th 2014
81
      rose got locked up by bron when he was an uncut 100%...FOH!
Jul 18th 2014
87
      yeah I think Indy is still a bigger threat even without Stephens...
Jul 18th 2014
91
      ain't nobody scared of rose or the buLLs
Jul 18th 2014
90
      that assumes that Wiggins turns out to be great instead of Larry Hughes
Jul 18th 2014
94
      He will be better than Larry Hughes but the people thinking ...
Jul 21st 2014
258
      lol, how is it not likely to win now?
Jul 18th 2014
170
^^^This I agree with
Jul 18th 2014
53
where is this dieng rumor coming from?
Jul 18th 2014
60
      He's a piece that is in play and has the kind of contract that fits
Jul 18th 2014
70
      cavs pursuing this shit more than the wolves at this point
Jul 18th 2014
75
           rightfully so because the wolves can find another suitor for love wherea...
Jul 18th 2014
142
      I haven't seen him mentioned outside of this board
Jul 18th 2014
82
           its some "only on OKS" shit, lol
Jul 18th 2014
86
           yikes lmao
Jul 18th 2014
88
           it's on twitter, where all the rumors are
Jul 18th 2014
108
Wait they're talking about Dieng too?
Jul 18th 2014
61
      yes...that's why nothing's done. cavs want more for wiggins.
Jul 18th 2014
69
           That changes everything for me. Love PLUS Dieng for Wiggins...
Jul 18th 2014
77
                I agree with this
Jul 18th 2014
83
                Yeah, there's no reason you should give up your best player and...
Jul 18th 2014
115
                the thing is, there's no urgency for Minnesota, they can drag this out.....
Jul 18th 2014
84
                a half season rental vs. full season might hurt his trade value
Jul 18th 2014
93
                     Nobody is going to trade major assets for Love without him signing a new...
Jul 18th 2014
123
                          if he doesn't want to, and they're desperate enough, they will.
Jul 18th 2014
139
                Agreed. He solves a huge need for the Cavs going forward.
Jul 18th 2014
134
                Minny would be really silly to include Dieng
Jul 18th 2014
137
you niggers are acting like wig got a hummer in hs
Jul 18th 2014
56
lol
Jul 18th 2014
58
ha
Jul 18th 2014
95
lol
Jul 18th 2014
147
"the best draft prospect in years", apparently.
Jul 18th 2014
216
dyin.. lol
Jul 21st 2014
246
Why would they have to do this right now?
Jul 18th 2014
74
learn from the Knicks mistakes with Melo...
Jul 18th 2014
76
It's a NO for me. I think Wiggins is the real deal. CLE will regret
Jul 18th 2014
85
But if they win 2 titles in that time before he gets old and retires...
Jul 18th 2014
89
      I'm sayin. People talking 5 years from now as if Lebron is 25
Jul 18th 2014
96
      dude is 30 & Kawhi was eating his lunch the last 3 games of the finals
Jul 18th 2014
121
           And some of that (imo) was fatigue from having to guard Kawhi
Jul 18th 2014
131
                it was the overall load on Bron which at 23 wouldn't have been an issue
Jul 18th 2014
182
      that's thing, most people think that even with Love it won't be enough.....
Jul 18th 2014
97
      Like they thought past prime KG/Ray Allen/Pierce wasn't enough
Jul 18th 2014
99
           lol, KG was still in his prime when he came to Boston, I remember most.....
Jul 18th 2014
105
           Idiot, they said Pierce/KG wasn't enough (sans Ray)
Jul 18th 2014
199
      Do you trade Wiggins for an IF, I guess is what you're asking
Jul 18th 2014
100
           How is Love a ? and Wiggins not?
Jul 18th 2014
102
           RE: How is Love a ? and Wiggins not?
Jul 18th 2014
109
           RE: Do you trade Wiggins for an IF, I guess is what you're asking
Jul 18th 2014
122
                Suprised with all the LAL fans on here that nobody's made the Showtime
Jul 18th 2014
140
                     Remember when the sixers had 3 #1 picks and sucked
Jul 18th 2014
193
                          AI, Chris webber and who else?
Jul 18th 2014
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                               I think it was Smith, Coleman and AI
Jul 18th 2014
205
If Danny Ainge was Cleveland's GM, Love would already be in Cleveland
Jul 18th 2014
98
oh no doubt ainge living off that 1 chip for a minute
Jul 18th 2014
104
Right, I said in another post Ainge's best move as a GM was actually...
Jul 18th 2014
107
they won a title and went to the finals another time...just stop
Jul 18th 2014
112
could have just said "cosign"
Jul 18th 2014
114
true
Jul 18th 2014
119
      lol
Jul 18th 2014
148
LMFAO
Jul 18th 2014
Uh, they also were within one game of a second title
Jul 21st 2014
257
And yet Danny Ainge is Boston's GM...
Jul 18th 2014
106
lol
Jul 18th 2014
110
right, lol
Jul 18th 2014
111
They haven't been lucky to tank & Danny Ocean the lottery 5 yrs in a row
Jul 18th 2014
120
      But but but but they have Fenway Park and an Ortiz Boston-cosign!
Jul 18th 2014
124
KG was the best defensive player in the game when they won
Jul 18th 2014
144
Of course not but you're putting Love next to THE best player in the gam...
Jul 18th 2014
210
most likely, but i do think this will get done eventually
Jul 18th 2014
171
no...Cavs have all of the leverage.
Jul 18th 2014
103
You HAVE TO roll the dice with Wiggins
Jul 18th 2014
113
no you don't
Jul 18th 2014
117
lol...
Jul 18th 2014
125
Yup and those moves got Bron how many titles?
Jul 18th 2014
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      RE: Yup and those moves got Bron how many titles?
Jul 18th 2014
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           He probably won't do a full max extension
Jul 18th 2014
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                Love's style of play puts a lot of wear and tear on his body, I think he...
Jul 18th 2014
167
RE: cap flexibility
Jul 18th 2014
126
with older versions of mike miller and ray allen of course
Jul 18th 2014
127
      right, both of those dudes were running on fumes last year, lol
Jul 18th 2014
129
That's a lot of wrong packed into a little space. Bravo.
Jul 18th 2014
179
All I know is a Kyrie/Love/Old Guy 2 Guard super ain't stopping anyone
Jul 18th 2014
136
^^^REAL TALK
Jul 18th 2014
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^^^ keen PEEPOLOGY
Jul 18th 2014
165
I'm not convinced that CLE is necessarily a better situation than
Jul 21st 2014
252
Just read Lamarcus will be a FA at the end of the season as well as
Jul 18th 2014
138
None of those guys will hit the market as UFAs. Not one.
Jul 18th 2014
143
LOL you ain't getting them
Jul 18th 2014
145
here are my thoughts:
Jul 18th 2014
146
It's the Showtime Lakers vs The Miami Heat Show
Jul 18th 2014
149
also, the Heat Big 3 were all better defensively
Jul 18th 2014
155
      yeah Miami's defense was actually built around Wade's shot blocking...
Jul 18th 2014
158
           yea this is why the kyrie+love >>>>>> bosh+wade comments were strange
Jul 18th 2014
161
agreed. pretty obvious imo
Jul 18th 2014
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All facts.
Jul 18th 2014
166
they will suck on D... gotta get some goons...
Jul 18th 2014
175
Love is basically the no better than Barkley w/ the Rockets (96-97)
Jul 18th 2014
176
      Didnt they go to the conf finals that year b/w Love is much younger
Jul 18th 2014
180
           Keep Wiggins & trade Waiters/Bennett/Tristan for Al Horford
Jul 18th 2014
185
                If that is on the table, sure. Seems speculative at best though.
Jul 18th 2014
186
                     There had been rumblings about Horford to the Cavs around the draft
Jul 18th 2014
195
                          I heard he had been shopped, but lots of players get shopped
Jul 21st 2014
259
Cavs gonna fuck around and end up like the Cavs during Bron's 1st stint
Jul 18th 2014
153
This as well
Jul 18th 2014
157
fair points, but let's not equate Larry Hughes to K. Love
Jul 18th 2014
219
None of those players were even remotely in the universe of Kevin Love
Jul 19th 2014
229
How long a deal would Love sign?
Jul 18th 2014
154
I don't think he'll play the 1 or 2 year game like Lebron, I think he...
Jul 18th 2014
160
      Just kinda funny to me, cuz if Bron does bounce
Jul 18th 2014
162
           Bron ain't bouncing, he's just doing opt-outs for the next five years
Jul 22nd 2014
263
Is there a plan B?
Jul 18th 2014
156
Would you give a 32 year-old Lebron a $200+mil contract? (swipe)
Jul 18th 2014
164
damn so the he's not going anywhere he's just waiting for the new tv
Jul 18th 2014
168
      Him leaving again would be such a PR disaster though
Jul 18th 2014
172
      and it could definitely happen.
Jul 18th 2014
174
      He blows out his knee in the next 2 seasons and he's done
Jul 18th 2014
196
           That's true of any contract for any player at any age. So, moot.
Jul 21st 2014
244
Minny AP writer: neither Wiggins nor Klay have yet been offered for Love...
Jul 18th 2014
169
seems reasonable to me, doesnt really support either side of argument
Jul 18th 2014
173
      I'm feeling over arguing about it. I just want it to happen.
Jul 18th 2014
178
           yeah i mean i dont think there is any urgency for either team
Jul 18th 2014
188
ProBBallDraft reporting the Wolves are content to wait.
Jul 18th 2014
181
man cavs bout to give up wiggins, dion, bennett and some 1sts
Jul 18th 2014
183
There are also reports they want Klay more than Wiggins.
Jul 18th 2014
184
      That makes sense, I mean Klay is a pretty nasty player
Jul 18th 2014
187
      back up. let's not try being friends on klay, fence-sitter.
Jul 18th 2014
192
           eat a dick, thanks
Jul 20th 2014
237
      shit, I'd take Klay on the Cavs
Jul 18th 2014
223
it's chicken and the wolves are pretty sure they're going to crash regar...
Jul 18th 2014
189
like I said, they have until the trade deadline, no urgency for them...
Jul 18th 2014
190
      Could hurt minny though
Jul 18th 2014
198
           as long as Love is healthy, putting up numbers and white, there will be....
Jul 18th 2014
200
Now ESPN....
Jul 18th 2014
197
espn.....or chris broussard?
Jul 18th 2014
201
RE: espn.....or chris broussard?
Jul 18th 2014
202
Isn't Bennett basically supposed to be K-Love lite?
Jul 18th 2014
203
Nah, he was supposed to be "Better than LJ EVER was!"
Jul 18th 2014
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      Oh yeah, that too, lol
Jul 18th 2014
209
I'd do it*
Jul 18th 2014
207
NO ONE WANTS TO PLAY IN CLEVELAND INCLUDING KLOVE.
Jul 18th 2014
208
      lol if the reason you dont want Love is because you want to run
Jul 18th 2014
211
      I don't want him because he'll cost too much and is a bad teammate
Jul 18th 2014
215
      the cap is an interesting point.
Jul 18th 2014
213
      Worry about that when the time comes.
Jul 20th 2014
236
      LOL, running teams love guys like Love and Duncan you dunce
Jul 20th 2014
234
           This guy just can't help him self.
Jul 21st 2014
254
           I'm always right....
Jul 21st 2014
261
           Duncan plays defense therefore your point is moot.
Jul 21st 2014
260
                the part that gets the break going is defensive rebounding
Jul 22nd 2014
273
I kinda liked the idea of Lebron mentoring those young guys...
Jul 19th 2014
227
my two cents
Jul 20th 2014
230
could work if he hadn't already signed with adidas, sony, etc.
Jul 20th 2014
231
i'd offer them an
Jul 20th 2014
232
      Nothing smarter than asking major sponsors to drop you!
Jul 21st 2014
249
      you are a fool. bye.
Jul 23rd 2014
297
you sound hurt. he will play it smarter than that
Jul 20th 2014
235
RE: you sound hurt. he will play it smarter than that
Jul 20th 2014
238
      he holds no cards and would look really bad doing that as a rookie.
Jul 20th 2014
241
Everything after the first sentence is LOUD AND WRONG.
Jul 20th 2014
240
exactly he
Jul 20th 2014
243
I remember a couple of years ago OKS was hyping an article about...
Jul 21st 2014
245
      IMO that shit is dead, no one has made it work yet
Jul 23rd 2014
344
It's basically instant gratification vs. gambling for long term success
Jul 21st 2014
247
RE: Should Cleveland trade Wiggins for Love?
Jul 21st 2014
248
Bulls making a strong push by offering Taj and Jimmy Butler
Jul 22nd 2014
264
They are making a push.
Jul 22nd 2014
265
It's better than the 'monster push' tag placed on the Lakers
Jul 22nd 2014
266
      Haha
Jul 22nd 2014
271
On what planet is that a better offer?
Jul 22nd 2014
268
casm.
Jul 22nd 2014
269
Because.
Jul 22nd 2014
270
*Breaks this down*
Jul 22nd 2014
274
      nobody want Jimmy Butler Mobile, AL mechanic YMCA game ass
Jul 22nd 2014
285
           *sips tea*
Dec 30th 2014
527
This Taj cyse is reaching Tyrusian levels
Jul 22nd 2014
284
At least Tyrus was a top pick.
Jul 23rd 2014
292
And he 30.
Jul 23rd 2014
300
RE: This Taj cyse is reaching Tyrusian levels
Jul 23rd 2014
309
Taj is 30. He ain't no fuckin kid, Murph .
Jul 23rd 2014
324
      RE: Taj is 30. He ain't no fuckin kid, Murph .
Jul 23rd 2014
340
           no one wants taj but y'all.
Jul 23rd 2014
358
                RE: no one wants taj but y'all.
Jul 24th 2014
363
                     6th man of the year FINALIST?
Jul 24th 2014
367
Dawg, it might be the craziest Bull Fan distortion of reality yet
Jul 24th 2014
361
      If only it was that simple....
Jul 24th 2014
362
      you keep repeating this:
Jul 24th 2014
366
      That package, quite simply, is garbage not worthy of a legit KLove trade
Jul 27th 2014
370
           RE: That package, quite simply, is garbage not worthy of a legit KLove t...
Jul 28th 2014
371
      I'm starting to think every fanbase has a player they overcyse
Jul 24th 2014
368
           Bulls Fans seem to have four or five annually tho
Jul 27th 2014
369
Bulls making the smart move, forcing CLE to give up more
Jul 23rd 2014
290
can we just talk re: the "value" of defensive boards?
Jul 22nd 2014
281
PREACH ON, PREACHER!! (/>_<)/
Jul 22nd 2014
283
That sums it up.
Jul 22nd 2014
289
Not a soul will argue the D improves with Love instead of Wiggins.
Jul 23rd 2014
291
That's the thing, Love isn't a great offensive player, he's a good...
Jul 23rd 2014
305
^^^REAL TALK
Jul 23rd 2014
303
The TWolves have basically been an average DRebounding team w/Love
Jul 23rd 2014
319
The Pistons werent tops w/Ben Wallace, but then they got Rasheed
Jul 23rd 2014
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      the argument is personal rebound #s tell you very little about reboundin...
Jul 23rd 2014
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Nice dissertation, I just have one question ...
Jul 23rd 2014
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Nice dissertation, I just have one question ...
Jul 23rd 2014
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      Love's rebs have offensive impact, totally unclear re: extra possessions
Jul 23rd 2014
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What if this was a 25 year old Dirk?
Jul 23rd 2014
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dirk had been to the playoffs many times
Jul 23rd 2014
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So? He also had two all-stars and depth on his team
Jul 23rd 2014
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      like i said, it's an open question. seems like dirk wouldn't have NEVER
Jul 23rd 2014
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           with pekovic and ricky rubio? in this west?
Jul 23rd 2014
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                not once? dirk go from every year second round+ to never?
Jul 23rd 2014
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when Dirk was 25 the #1 overall pick in the draft was Lebron James...
Jul 23rd 2014
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To be fair, Dirk + Duncan would be fun as hell to watch
Jul 23rd 2014
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Andrew Wiggins is not in the same universe as a prospect
Jul 23rd 2014
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      and Dirk is a much better player than Love, and while people though...
Jul 23rd 2014
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           LOL, what? LeBron was the most touted prospect in a long time
Jul 23rd 2014
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Prime Dirk was a far better player than Love
Jul 23rd 2014
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      I don't know, if you were rating them out of 100, what would "far" be?
Jul 23rd 2014
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This is the longest drawn out trade shit ever. Bulls new offer
Jul 23rd 2014
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Dumb trade for the Bulls.
Jul 23rd 2014
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yep
Jul 23rd 2014
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Smh....Yep. And Donte just got arrested during his comeback too.
Jul 23rd 2014
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RE: Dumb trade for the Bulls.
Jul 23rd 2014
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McBuckets, Mirotic, and Butler might be their best possible offer.
Jul 23rd 2014
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And I think Minny would like to have a potential white star coming back....
Jul 23rd 2014
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I don't believe this to be a genuine offer
Jul 23rd 2014
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If the Bulls hesitated to give up Taj for Melo...
Jul 23rd 2014
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It's not about giving up Taj for Melo.
Jul 23rd 2014
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RE: If the Bulls hesitated to give up Taj for Melo...
Jul 23rd 2014
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they were willing to give him up, but they didn't want to
Jul 23rd 2014
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      RE: they were willing to give him up, but they didn't want to
Jul 23rd 2014
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I agree.
Jul 23rd 2014
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that would be some Bulls(hit).
Jul 23rd 2014
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MURPH PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT--TRUST THE KNOWABLE
Jul 23rd 2014
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We screamed for shooters last season...
Jul 23rd 2014
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NONE OF THIS MATTERS BECEUSE NONE OF ITS HAPPENING
Jul 23rd 2014
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RE: NONE OF THIS MATTERS BECEUSE NONE OF ITS HAPPENING
Jul 23rd 2014
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RE: We screamed for shooters last season...
Jul 23rd 2014
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cavs may very well have depth, too, they definitely have shooting
Nov 02nd 2014
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Sources: Its done will be announced tomorrow to Cavs
Jul 23rd 2014
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RE: Sources: Its done will be announced tomorrow to Cavs
Jul 23rd 2014
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Your sources more reliable than RJC27's?
Jul 23rd 2014
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Dion, Tristan, and two first roud picks???
Jul 23rd 2014
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      If Minnesota makes that bullshit deal, they are dead to me
Jul 23rd 2014
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      RE: Dion, Tristan, and two first roud picks???
Jul 23rd 2014
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      Yeah no
Jul 23rd 2014
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      The word leaked that Wiggy was signing-- but i dont think it was
Jul 23rd 2014
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      If the deal goes through without Wiggins...
Jul 23rd 2014
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           this board is going to look like The Towering Inferno if that happens.
Jul 23rd 2014
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           RE: this board is going to look like The Towering Inferno if that happen...
Jul 24th 2014
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           You? Never
Jul 24th 2014
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           and if it doesn't?
Jul 28th 2014
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Eric Bledsoe's Long, Hot, Restricted Summer (via Lowe)
Jul 23rd 2014
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I want to see Monroe leave Detroit
Jul 23rd 2014
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      I wish Portland would grabbed Monroe instead of Kaman...
Aug 04th 2014
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starting to sound like this deal is basically done
Jul 31st 2014
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Jonah Hill Windhorst reporting that a "handshake deal" has been made.
Aug 04th 2014
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He also reported that the Cavs were gonna offer Gordan Hayward the max
Aug 04th 2014
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WORST TRADE IN LEAGUE HISTORY
Aug 04th 2014
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Will you still ride for AB if he's in Philly?
Aug 04th 2014
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Me? I was never a huge AB guy.
Aug 04th 2014
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they should ship waiters to philly
Aug 04th 2014
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Dion called himself Lebron's new D-Wade.
Aug 04th 2014
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      you keep saying this. but the signs are pointing to bron wanting him
Aug 05th 2014
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      If he's happy to take fewer shots and commit on defense...
Aug 05th 2014
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           Kyrie needs to do the same 2 things
Aug 05th 2014
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      did he really? Or are you talking about this?
Aug 05th 2014
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Sixers win. Wolves make out okay. Cavs lose.
Aug 04th 2014
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      Shit, Wolves win BIG.
Aug 04th 2014
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      But I'm sure at some point they thought they'd get more for Love.
Aug 04th 2014
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      i doubt it. they didn't even have a trade plan. they're lucky if it happ...
Aug 04th 2014
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      agree... Thad and Pekovic keeps that frontcourt nice too on the glass
Aug 05th 2014
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      I'll see what draft picks come in/leave before judging
Aug 05th 2014
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      Lmao, you such a pressed college fan
Aug 05th 2014
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           pressed college fan
Aug 05th 2014
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           Wait....what does college have to do with this now?
Aug 05th 2014
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                only a college fan
Aug 05th 2014
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                     Lol...I'm not watching Kansas or UNLV. I have zero horses in this.
Aug 05th 2014
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                          this right here is what i mean
Aug 05th 2014
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                          People are in love with potential
Aug 05th 2014
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                          See, I'm saying the trade is short sighted & your response is...
Aug 05th 2014
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                          They wont even contend for the ECF
Aug 05th 2014
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                          Who said that?
Aug 05th 2014
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                               I missed the season she was on
Aug 05th 2014
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                                    I just watched it last week on Hulu. I'm watching all the seasons.
Aug 05th 2014
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                          they're winning the East easy, then it depends on the matchup
Aug 05th 2014
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                               Okay, I have you down for "winning the East easy"
Aug 05th 2014
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                               Because I am not scared of numbers
Aug 05th 2014
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                                    No, you're confused. Nobody is questioning Bron. The other pieces, yes.
Aug 05th 2014
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                                         we'll see
Aug 05th 2014
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                               RE: they're winning the East easy
Aug 05th 2014
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                          The East is not as strong due to injury/player movement.
Aug 05th 2014
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                               yeah, you just want to back into an ECF title to save Rose's legacy
Aug 05th 2014
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                                    lol @ the concept of "backing into an ecf" coming from a bron stan
Aug 05th 2014
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                                         you mean the guy who's won 5 conference titles and 2 rings?
Aug 05th 2014
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                                              you didn't address my point.
Aug 05th 2014
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                          as a basketball fan i like the prospects of this WAY better
Aug 05th 2014
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                               Exactly. If those guys get to where their natural talent can get them...
Aug 05th 2014
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                               That's The Issue Though
Aug 05th 2014
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                               You think Bron wants to take Wiggins under his wing?
Aug 05th 2014
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                               Nope so the paragraph in The Letter about grooming young talent
Aug 05th 2014
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                               That's Your boy!
Aug 05th 2014
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                                    plea cop what?
Aug 05th 2014
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                                         Wiggins said in the ESPN interview he hasn't heard from him.
Aug 05th 2014
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                                              yet bron reached out to kevin love and is tweeting all crazy
Aug 05th 2014
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                                                   Yep, it is a complete Lebron move. And I'm not down with...
Aug 05th 2014
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                               I would think Bron is bigger than that & has enough ego to not be...
Aug 05th 2014
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                                    LOL @ Bron being threatened by Wiggins
Aug 05th 2014
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                                         That's what Shawn suggested.
Aug 05th 2014
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                                              I'm a Sixers fan, by time Wiggins comes into his own, Twin Towers here
Aug 05th 2014
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                                                   Nah, I'm still good with saying they won't make the ECF *shrugs*
Aug 05th 2014
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                                                   okay. How bout a wager with u taking the field on Cavs in Final?
Aug 05th 2014
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                                                        I don't wager. Me saying it is enough for me.
Aug 05th 2014
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                                                             Good thing for that. You'd be broke with these type of prognostications
Aug 06th 2014
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                                                   Twin Hype
Aug 06th 2014
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                               RE: Exactly. If those guys get to where their natural talent can get the...
Aug 05th 2014
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                               As a guy who doesn't want title expectations on Lebron, you like it
Aug 05th 2014
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                                    he won 2 already. you and cenerio and all the other idiots who hated
Aug 05th 2014
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Not for nothing, but right today the following are UFAs in 2015:
Aug 05th 2014
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Rondo is a UFA in 2015 too
Aug 05th 2014
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      True, I was just posting up the bigs
Aug 05th 2014
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Fair trade. Love will still average 20 and 10.
Aug 05th 2014
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RE: Fair trade. Love will still average 20 and 10.
Aug 05th 2014
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I can't wait to see Love get EXPOSED for the fraud he is, he's...
Aug 05th 2014
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RE: I can't wait to see Love get EXPOSED for the fraud he is, he's...
Aug 05th 2014
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when he's not volume scoring I don't think he has the same value as...
Aug 05th 2014
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      if Love is a 3rd banana like bosh was then that's a L for new Love stans
Aug 05th 2014
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      RE: if Love is a 3rd banana like bosh was then that's a L for new Love s...
Aug 05th 2014
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           of course not
Aug 05th 2014
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                RE: of course not
Aug 05th 2014
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      RE: when he's not volume scoring I don't think he has the same value as....
Aug 05th 2014
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           lmao the NBA is basically soap operas now
Aug 05th 2014
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           Kevin Love doesn't care about stats? okayplayer.
Aug 05th 2014
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                RE: Kevin Love doesn't care about stats? okayplayer.
Aug 05th 2014
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                     we're talking about a guy who routinely boxes out his own teammates...
Aug 05th 2014
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                          RE: we're talking about a guy who routinely boxes out his own teammates....
Aug 05th 2014
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I think the opposite is about to happen
Aug 05th 2014
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this is true of both love and kyrie imo. if cavs don't win it shouldn't
Aug 05th 2014
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How is Kyrie is a top 5 point guard???
Aug 05th 2014
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What 5 point guards are better than Kyrie RIGHT TODAY?
Aug 05th 2014
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I'm asking you the question.
Aug 05th 2014
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At this point I think CP, Curry and Westbrook are clearly top 3, after.....
Aug 05th 2014
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i think most ppl rating kyrie are talking out of their ass
Aug 05th 2014
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      same way everybody's a kevin love expert...
Aug 05th 2014
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           You guys are right, well we get see plenty of them this year, I'm sure.....
Aug 05th 2014
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                juggled? cavs getting opening day and a christmas slot lol
Aug 05th 2014
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                     speakin of ant davis. i'm on that this year. playoffs or else.
Aug 05th 2014
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                          If they can stay healthy the Hornets should definitely be in the playoff...
Aug 05th 2014
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                          naw he in the western conference
Aug 05th 2014
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                          playoffs...he supposedly a top 10 player already. that's playoffs to me....
Aug 05th 2014
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                          2 points
Aug 05th 2014
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                          damn forgot about this
Aug 05th 2014
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                          should be 50...he top 10...and jrue an all-star....should be 55
Aug 05th 2014
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                          Jrue was a two season-ending injuries and playing in the East All-Star
Aug 06th 2014
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                               This was and still is such a massive plea cop.
Aug 06th 2014
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                                    just seeing this now so apologies for pummeling belatedly:
Nov 06th 2014
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                          yeah they finna have that paint on clack-clack.
Aug 05th 2014
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                          *being unreasonable and acting stupid when confronting with legit facts*
Aug 05th 2014
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                               lolz
Aug 05th 2014
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                          How is he getting a pass? He's been in the league two whole years.
Aug 05th 2014
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                          same shit i said about kyrie last summer, after his SECOND season
Aug 05th 2014
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                               Meh. Don't let other's reaction to Kyrie cloud your perspective on AD
Aug 05th 2014
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                                    i think AD a superstar...my judgement of him not clouded at all.
Aug 05th 2014
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                                    HE set that bar. Read my sig.
Aug 05th 2014
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                                         man I just don't think I have the energy for this lol
Aug 05th 2014
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                                         Too bad I ain't make sigs for Tyrus and Ben Wallace cysage
Aug 05th 2014
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                          http://i.imgur.com/lrlYV13.gif
Aug 05th 2014
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                          just playin the game, dogg.
Aug 05th 2014
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                               Whatever makes it interesting for u bruh.
Aug 05th 2014
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                          why everybody scared? that's a fair standard and he gonna do it
Aug 05th 2014
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                               Right.
Aug 05th 2014
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                               Shit even I agree.
Aug 05th 2014
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I'd think the most nba analysts would have this top 5 I'd bet
Aug 05th 2014
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      you can't put Rose back in the top 5 based off of a handful of practices...
Aug 05th 2014
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           RE: you can't put Rose back in the top 5 based off of a handful of pract...
Aug 05th 2014
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           you're a fucking genius.
Aug 05th 2014
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           even still, then Rondo then moves into the top 5
Aug 05th 2014
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                He's basically in the same boat with Rose, if you miss over half your...
Aug 05th 2014
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                     Is that directly from the hypothetical OKS rankings rulebook?
Aug 05th 2014
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                          Exactly.
Aug 06th 2014
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Kyrie is definitely NOT a top 5 point guard.
Aug 05th 2014
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      This is a good list.
Aug 05th 2014
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      RE: This is a good list.
Aug 05th 2014
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           this the type shit that's said on the humble and never revisited
Aug 05th 2014
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                RE: this the type shit that's said on the humble and never revisited
Aug 05th 2014
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                the kings wouldn't even pick thomas....like 3 times.
Aug 05th 2014
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                http://tinyurl.com/nyqhs92
Aug 05th 2014
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      Isiaah Thomas is not better
Aug 05th 2014
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      that list is some bullshit, lol...
Aug 06th 2014
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Haven't you already "exposed him as a fraud" like 30 times?
Aug 05th 2014
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alright so
Aug 05th 2014
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      you know the game he's playing.
Aug 05th 2014
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      Lebron won 66 games with Big Z and Mo Williams, doing the same...
Aug 05th 2014
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           RE: Lebron won 66 games with Big Z and Mo Williams, doing the same...
Aug 05th 2014
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           My position on him hasn't changed, he's not a star, he's been a stat...
Aug 05th 2014
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                I still think Love gets a bad rap as if he's been starring since day 1
Aug 05th 2014
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                RE: My position on him hasn't changed, he's not a star, he's been a stat...
Aug 05th 2014
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           he's getting that 20 and 13
Aug 05th 2014
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                He was putting up 25/15 & not sniffing the post-season
Nov 02nd 2014
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look at these niggas who don't know shit about basketball
Nov 02nd 2014
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Love playing like Carlos Boozer in a Cavs uniform...winning!
Nov 02nd 2014
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tonight: Big Love - 2 for 8, 14pts, Big Wig - 7 for 12, 17pts, #IJS
Nov 06th 2014
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Wig BETTER.
Dec 30th 2014
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Hell he doesn't even need to be BETTER
Dec 30th 2014
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youre acting like guys cant be taught defense
Dec 30th 2014
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      Love lacks both willingness and ability at that end though
Dec 30th 2014
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           ^^^
Dec 31st 2014
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Bosh BETTER
Dec 30th 2014
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weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
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