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Talib Kweli
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Mon Apr-17-06 02:28 PM

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"I don't make music for the fans... Lemme explain...."


  

          

I don't make music for the fans. I never have, and god willing I never will. Do I have your attention? Are you offended? Do you understand? Lemme explain....

The true music fan respects the artist who is honest with him or herself. The art is the expression..if I'm only expressing things that are of value to you, than I'm not being a true artist. Once I start to do it for the sake of the fans, then I will really fall off and become irrelevant. I will become transparent..instead of the complaint being, "it doesn't sound like black star", it will be, "he hasn't grown since black star." The honest artist will grow and challenge his audience to follow where he is going, and not the other way around. People who love Be shitted on Electric Circus, but they fail to realize Common had to make Electric Circus to get to Be. It is a process that is easy to criticize if you've never had to do it. It's not like Electric was for him and Be was for the audience. They were both made for him. Think about this before you say I'm supposed to make music for the fans. Uhh, no, I'm not. You hear artist who make music for the fans all the time in the media. If someone asks them, why do you only talk about sex violence drugs and jewelry, their stock reply is "I'm making music for the fans, I'm giving people what they want." You look at some of their sales and think, hey maybe they're right. Then you come to your senses and be like fuck that! I'm not that dude. I make music for me, and so do my favorite artists.

I'm strictly talking about the process of creating music in the studio though. Once you put a barcode and a price tag on it, it no longer just belongs to you, it belongs to everybody. Like Cee Lo said, we are selling soul. In every song put out for consumption is a piece of my soul. It is intensely personal, that's why I only make music and get on stage with people I'm cool with. Anything else would be unnatural and not correct. On stage, I strictly belong to the people. In videos, I am trynta to get the people to spend money on the album. However, I cannot let these realities corrupt the creative process. The reason why my shows stay packed is because I work hard to keep it honest. This is not what I believe, it is knowledge I've gotten from doing it so long. You know what else is interesting? The same fan who shits on an artist for doing an ad or a song they feel like is just for the money is the first one to say you should respect me because I bought your album. This is why you can't make music for anyone but yourself..Phonte from Little Brother talks about this excellently in one of his blogs.

THIS NEXT SECTION I SHOULD WRITE IN CAPS, BECAUSE APPARENTLY SOME OF YOU SKIP THE POINT OF MY BLOGS AND GO RIGHT FOR THE SENSATIONAL BITS. Just playin, but seriously, I wrote some things about Okay Player last week that some of you took exception to.. I'd like to address some of it.

1. KWELI ONLY MENTIONS OKP WHEN HE'S DISSING. Not true. Instead of wishing for the new reflection album and being lost in your internet bubble, get out and buy right about now, where I shout out spit kicker AND Okay player. In countless freestyles at shows i have shouted out the okayplayers in the audience. I give away music here and participate in every okp event I'm asked to be in. In countless interviews, I mention how the okp community supports me with or without a record, and give it out as my official website. Throughout my career, okp has been a great help to me, AND vice versa. On Kanye's album I made a joke about the hating that goes on the boards sometime, but it did not come out of the blue. In his verse, Kanye jokes about meeting girls on the internet, thru black planet. Anybody who follows me knows I'm not computer saavy at all. I didn't know what black planet was, so I said something funny about okp. They said I was sensitive, but jeesh, the way some of these kids acted over that was like I killed they grandma. My rhyme was in the context of the song. Also, to really break it down, the term okay player hater was referencing my own song with black star, hater players..I referenced myself as sort of an inside joke, but the purists ain't get it..they just heard hater and took offense.

2. KWELI THINKS OKAY PLAYERS SHOULD ONLY SAY NICE THINGS ABOUT THE ARTISTS. Not true. I relish constructive criticism. I love all of my albums, and there are things I wish could be better about each of them. I've heard great criticism, I've heard hate described as criticism. If I don't wanna be criticized, I shouldn't release music for sale. In my last blog, I did not address the hate of my work except to say, yall can miss me with that. Trust, I'm good. While you stay in your own little world in front of your computer screen, I am traveling the world, loving life. I love the music I'm making right now, and I'm very proud of it. Maybe you don't like it, but maybe you are not the type of person I would hang out with either. You probably assumed you were, but that had nothing to do with me. I'm just trynta be honest with my craft. Love it or hate it, I don't care, but you are gonna respect it. NOW HERE'S THE IMPORTANT PART. THE POST I ADDRESSED ON OKP SAID THE M1 ALBUM WAS TERRIBLE, AND WHY SHOULD OKP SUPPORT THIS GARBAGE. Well, here's why. When okp was started by dan, shawn, ahmir and the good folks in philly, the intention was to create a digital community to bring awareness to artists who are passionate and positive, but don't recieve much light from the mainstream. The first okp tour lasted over 2 months and featured the Roots, Big Daddy Kane, Guru, Dice, Slum Village, Bahamadia, Phat Kat, Jaguar, the Jazzyfatnastees, myself and Dead Prez. Every night, the illest moment of the show was when M1 and sticman came back to do an encore(which means, they had ALREADY smashed it) of Hip Hop, which became the theme song for the tour, much like it is in Block Party. This was in 2000, so while a lot of you were popping pimples in junior high, M1 was grinding on a tour that raised awareness for this beautiful thing we have now where some asshole could post that M1 doesn't deserve some love here. Fuck you, you don't deserve to post, you're a tourist. You don't know how this was started, you're just visiting. To start a post by saying an album is terrible, not offer anything constructive, and question why he is down without taking his history into account is a slap in the face to the whole community. All the artists, from the Roots to D'Angelo to Common to Jag built this community, alongside our fans who support and come to the shows. Everyone feels free to comment on why I should be better at taking critcism, but to say that M1 does not belong is a judgement. There is no police at okp so we must take care of our own.

The fans who love this site should not encourage rampant ignorance and hate in the guise of constructive criticism. This is why I responded. M is my brother, and you know what, the other artist should respond too, or at least Dan and Shawn. Thats not a diss, but they probably see that bullshit all the time and get sick of responding....

3. THE ONLY TIME THE FANS HEAR FROM KWELI IS WHEN HE IS WHINING.
Funny, but not true. I don't think standing up to challenge what I feel is unacceptable disrespect to my comrade is whining or bitching. If you think it is, tell me when you see me. And you will see me, because I don't hide. I do 200 shows a year, not including speaking engagements. I walk the streets, I'm very accesible. Sometimes I don't realize the power of my words though. I write from the heart, just like a fan, because that's what I am. But because I've been on TV once or twice, my words seems to hit harder. Everything I say is dissected and looked at under a microscope by the purists, and that can be uncomfortable sometimes. Maybe I'm too passsionate, maybe I care too much.. Tarik would probably think I was crazy for writing this, like why are you wasting your time on someone who obviously don't get it. I believed that this was a community for us, by us, but it does not seem to be, when someone could post something like that.

Everyone has the right to an opinion, including me, but dudes post was not acceptable..anyone who thinks it is should be ashamed of themselves, and does not deserve to be down with okp, sorry, take that bullshit elsewhere. It might be true that I have not focused enough on the positive things people do over there. Even though I said in the blog from last week that I cannot hold most of okp responsible for a few bad comments, y'all seemed to ignore it. Maybe I should make a rhyme about the fans who really support me (oh wait, I do that all the time). I feel like I support with every piece of myself I have. As far as not saying I haven't been relevant since reflection, stick your head back in the sand. My career gets better every year. I started a label with Jean Grae and Strong Arm Steady, Blacksmith Music, distributed by Warner, and we will define the vanguard of underground coast to coast.. My most recent albums and mixtapes got everyone from David Banner to Wordsworth to Rakim to Doom to Papoose. No artists on this site puts out more music than me, thru a label or myself or otherwise. I'm definetly not making the music I used to, and I'm not going to, because the nature of the artist is to grow. If you want me to sound like I'm 20 and just signed to Rawkus, don't hold your breath. You don't have to buy the new shit, someone will. Just respect what I've done for the community you cherish so much. Respect M1, even if you don't like the album, that's all I'm saying..If I don't have the right to say that, then I shouldn't be down, y'all are right...

PS..the funniest shit is the cartoons of the angry kweli..i gotta watch what i say, y'all be missing the point..trust, I'm living and enjoying my life..say what you want about me, it does roll off...I had to defend Mtulu, tho, he's new as a featured artist. I been thru the bullshit before..That's all I'm gonna say, and now I'm so cool. Enjoy your message boards..I've let this distract me too much, back to the fly shit...

  

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I don't make music for the fans... Lemme explain.... [View all] , Talib Kweli, Mon Apr-17-06 02:28 PM
 
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damn shit already got 15'd
Apr 17th 2006
3
are we not to respond? my ish was harmless & has always been RESPECTFUL
Apr 17th 2006
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      HE AINT POST THIS FOR US
Apr 17th 2006
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      ha ha i'm dead serious, tho. if they don't want me to mention
Apr 17th 2006
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      The irony of our complaints about Talib Kweli's whining...
Apr 18th 2006
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           Misunderstood
Apr 19th 2006
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you know. you coulda spent that time listening to m1s album
Apr 17th 2006
4
LOL. I was wondering how he's going to get mad because some
Apr 17th 2006
12
keep doing your thing Kweli.....
Apr 17th 2006
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.
Apr 17th 2006
6
LMAO, wow I thought I would never lose respect for you Talib
Apr 17th 2006
9
let's get married.
Apr 17th 2006
11
if you promise to pirate all of talib's albums and sell them for
Apr 17th 2006
29
oh rearry?
Apr 17th 2006
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      BUSTED.
Apr 17th 2006
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           *evil laugh*
Apr 17th 2006
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                IT WAS YOOOOOOU!
Apr 17th 2006
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I'm tired of you using words like "good" and "terrible"
Apr 18th 2006
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lol who cares if he lost your respect....
Apr 18th 2006
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you and sweet ruffian wasted your internet ink
Apr 18th 2006
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zing good one....
Apr 18th 2006
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      I am so jealous of you right now.
Apr 18th 2006
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           that really is the lamest argument ever.
Apr 19th 2006
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                .
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                     #156
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RE: lol who cares if he lost your respect....
Apr 18th 2006
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RE: LMAO, wow I thought I would never lose respect for you Talib
Apr 18th 2006
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oh...okay
Apr 17th 2006
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hahahah
Apr 17th 2006
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TK, why do you keep adding fuel to this fire? The more you appear
Apr 17th 2006
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^^^ Junior high wisdom. and it's still true. wow.
Apr 17th 2006
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      u are acting more like a child right now, tho.
Apr 17th 2006
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the fock happened to some of the replies???
Apr 17th 2006
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the first reply was...
Apr 17th 2006
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i'll put some real discussion in here...soon as i
Apr 17th 2006
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lol
Apr 17th 2006
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you need to make music for the fans
Apr 17th 2006
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You have to respect an artist who stays true to themself.
Apr 17th 2006
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how is he staying true to himself though?
Apr 17th 2006
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she dont know. he's her favourite rapper that's all that matters lol
Apr 17th 2006
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if doing what he wants not being true to yourself
Apr 18th 2006
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iono if i'd call it being true to himself
Apr 17th 2006
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      iono what u think but...
Apr 17th 2006
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Y'all call Kweli an overly sensitive, whining, crybaby but damn man...
Apr 17th 2006
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I think anyone who spends their hard earned money has a right
Apr 17th 2006
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There's a difference...
Apr 17th 2006
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RE: I think anyone who spends their hard earned money has a right
Apr 18th 2006
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RE: Y'all call Kweli an overly sensitive, whining, crybaby but damn man....
Apr 18th 2006
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      well put...
Sep 04th 2006
188
it's not for the fans, but we aren't sposed hate?
Apr 17th 2006
22
damn dude, he's not saying that at all...
Sep 04th 2006
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U aint gotta explain anything, yo. U being generous.
Apr 17th 2006
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Much Respect
Apr 17th 2006
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talibba please
Apr 17th 2006
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qoolquest come git ya man...SAVE HIM!
Apr 17th 2006
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dont.save.her...shedontwannabesaved (c) 3-6 Mafia
Apr 17th 2006
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      RE: dont.save.her...shedontwannabesaved (c) 3-6 Mafia
Apr 18th 2006
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On the real sun...
Apr 17th 2006
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RE: On the real sun...
Apr 23rd 2006
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Don't add fuel to it...
Apr 17th 2006
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RE: Don't add fuel to it...
Apr 18th 2006
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take my advice fam, LOG OFF
Apr 17th 2006
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If you want me to sound like I'm 20 and just signed to Rawkus, don't hol...
Apr 17th 2006
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haha, i think he's hungry, he just needs some support
Apr 17th 2006
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and this community wonders why the artists stopped posting here...
Apr 17th 2006
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as far as my comments on this issue...
Apr 17th 2006
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that is some bullshit. if you let anybody stop you from doing anything
Apr 17th 2006
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      all i did was point out the truth
Apr 17th 2006
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and let me just say this to you Talib so you dont take my reaction
Apr 17th 2006
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RE: and let me just say this to you Talib so you dont take my reaction
Apr 17th 2006
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she ain't piss him off. that negro was pissed back in 2000
Apr 17th 2006
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      RE: she ain't piss him off. that negro was pissed back in 2000
Apr 18th 2006
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wtf
Apr 17th 2006
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Truth be told - you've been dropping albums with 2-3 bangers
Apr 17th 2006
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To call this post vaginal would be misogynistic.
Apr 17th 2006
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OH THE IRONY
Apr 17th 2006
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^ takes no prisoners
Apr 17th 2006
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oh damn lol. hey kweli, the dozens is hip hop lol
Apr 17th 2006
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YOU are a bitch
Apr 17th 2006
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man stfu.
Apr 17th 2006
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RE: YOU are a bitch
Apr 17th 2006
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Damn!!! (damn....damn) (c) Kay Slay
Apr 17th 2006
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------------------------------------------------------------->
Apr 17th 2006
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but i will confess, i stopped really listening after R.E.
Apr 17th 2006
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When he comes to DC, me and you can roll together and
Apr 17th 2006
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There is one thing you've said that's problematic
Apr 17th 2006
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he DIDNT even hear M1's album all the way thru...
Apr 18th 2006
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i was responding but that joint just got too long so i'll say this
Apr 17th 2006
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i kinda feel bad cause this shit WILL be in VIBE.
Apr 17th 2006
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lmao
Apr 25th 2006
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RE: I don't make music for the fans... Lemme explain....
Apr 17th 2006
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damn, all isaid was "let it go"...and it got deleted!!!
Apr 17th 2006
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again, i was just hoping for some real dialogue
Apr 17th 2006
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      LET IT GO is the nicest thing I can say to anybody...
Apr 17th 2006
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           i understand that.. but its all how you read it
Apr 17th 2006
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                no dammit i don't wanna let it go, dan!
Apr 17th 2006
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                I will not be ignoooored dan! (c) Glenn close
Apr 17th 2006
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                     ^ :)~
Apr 17th 2006
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OKAYPLAYER IS MEANT TO BE A PLACE FOR MUSIC TO BE DISCUSSED...
Apr 17th 2006
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cats here will hate on your clothes, your wife, your vision, and it's
Apr 17th 2006
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      LOL true dat
Apr 19th 2006
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PS: supreme supreme is cold as hell! THAT's that good shit
Apr 17th 2006
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lol but you write novels when we're bad. you say 'hi' when we good
Apr 17th 2006
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Damn can y'all show some respect....
Apr 17th 2006
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i hope you didn't take my reply as 'slamming him'. i feel for him.
Apr 17th 2006
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RE: I don't make music for the fans... Lemme explain....
Apr 17th 2006
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true
Apr 17th 2006
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^^^^i bet this negro didn't read it all lol
Apr 17th 2006
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this post = justifying everything i ever said about okp rap fans
Apr 17th 2006
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you make some great points. i agree. the disrespect is rediculous
Apr 17th 2006
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wow u got generalisations comin out ur ass
Apr 17th 2006
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support who you want to, but my post stands....
Apr 18th 2006
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      RE: support who you want to, but my post stands....
Apr 19th 2006
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      RE: support who you want to, but my post stands....
Apr 19th 2006
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      damn you made some excellent and sobering points
Sep 04th 2006
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RE: this post = justifying everything i ever said about okp rap fans
Apr 19th 2006
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u tore down bb kings!!!
Apr 17th 2006
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RE: u tore down bb kings!!!
Apr 17th 2006
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Yall still at this?
Apr 17th 2006
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I guess I just expect you to take the good with the bad....
Apr 18th 2006
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this reminds me of the Things Fall Apart excerpt...
Apr 18th 2006
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RE: this reminds me of the Things Fall Apart excerpt...
Apr 18th 2006
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dawg i'm sick of seeing u round here
Apr 18th 2006
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dawg i'm sick of seeing u round here
Apr 19th 2006
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Great words...Food for thought! No doubt!
Apr 18th 2006
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listen to your elders
Apr 18th 2006
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I'm sorry you had to type all this out.
Apr 18th 2006
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exactly.
Apr 18th 2006
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RE: I don't make music for the fans... Lemme explain....
Apr 18th 2006
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RE: I don't make music for the fans... Lemme explain....
Apr 18th 2006
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All You Gotta Do Iz Take Thiz Anger Put It In A Rhyme Over A Dope Beat
Apr 18th 2006
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RE:
Apr 18th 2006
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*does the running man thru this post*
Apr 18th 2006
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Ante up........
Apr 18th 2006
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Hostile ass okp people
Apr 18th 2006
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Perhaps
Apr 18th 2006
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im feelin you but you gotta allow niggas to say what they feel at times
Apr 18th 2006
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RE: I don't make music for the fans... Lemme explain....
Apr 18th 2006
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RE: I don't make music for the fans... Lemme explain....
Apr 18th 2006
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      RE: I don't make music for the fans... Lemme explain....
Apr 18th 2006
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What more do you want?
Apr 18th 2006
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lets not get carried away fam
Apr 18th 2006
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RE: lets not get carried away fam
Apr 19th 2006
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      i mean comparin
Apr 19th 2006
      i mean comparin
Apr 19th 2006
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           RE: i mean comparin
Apr 19th 2006
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                it's all gravy wit onion
Apr 19th 2006
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LMFAO!!!
Apr 18th 2006
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      RE: LMFAO!!!
Apr 19th 2006
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LET 'EM KNOW...
Apr 18th 2006
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did any of yall actually read this or skim through?
Apr 18th 2006
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lol if the KING of hate on these boards can admit it...
Apr 18th 2006
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the funniest thing about this is...
Apr 18th 2006
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ill tell you why
Apr 18th 2006
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      no thats not why at all lol
Apr 18th 2006
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           Disagree
Apr 19th 2006
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KICKASS POST
Apr 18th 2006
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RE: KICKASS POST
Apr 18th 2006
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this is the first thing that popped into my head when i read this
Apr 18th 2006
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in the words of lyor cohen (and an okp's sig)...
Apr 18th 2006
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you just lost a fan...kinda
Apr 18th 2006
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A lot of y'all ARE missing the point..
Apr 19th 2006
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man, this whole thing was a big ass train wreck, wasn't it? n/m
Apr 19th 2006
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Son calm down.
Apr 19th 2006
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OK now all you haters got everybody's attention. say sometin with substa...
Apr 19th 2006
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RE: OK now all you haters got everybody's attention. say sometin with su...
Apr 19th 2006
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lol @ talkin bout illiteracy and not being able to spell yourself
Apr 19th 2006
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lmao!!!!!!!!!!
Apr 19th 2006
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      Right
Apr 19th 2006
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           true words spoken my man
Feb 22nd 2007
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i'll send you a beat and you can call that sh*t Okayplayerhaters.
Apr 19th 2006
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ya'll are turning
Apr 19th 2006
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RE: I don't make music for the fans... Lemme explain....
Apr 19th 2006
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lol...
Apr 19th 2006
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I wonder...
Apr 19th 2006
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      i agree wit everything except reason #6
Apr 19th 2006
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RE: I don't make music for the fans... Lemme explain....
Apr 19th 2006
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man, just shut the fuck up and make some good records.
Apr 19th 2006
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RE: I don't make music for the fans... Lemme explain....
Apr 19th 2006
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Blacksmith Radio let's me know nothings changed
Apr 19th 2006
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RE: I don't make music for the fans... Lemme explain....
Apr 20th 2006
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RE: YOoo I bounce 4 a few &...........
Apr 20th 2006
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this is what happens when you start fuckin' w/kanye...
Apr 20th 2006
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That nigga sound MAD as shit!!!!!!!!
Apr 21st 2006
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All I have to say is that Right About Now was great.
Apr 23rd 2006
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Mr. Kweli...
Apr 23rd 2006
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Thanks for Kwe ...
Apr 25th 2006
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RE: I don't make music for the fans... Lemme explain....
Apr 25th 2006
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I have nothing to say....
Sep 01st 2006
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Kweli lemme explain something to you . . .
Sep 01st 2006
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Tourist #4080 - okayplayerhaters are shady!!
Sep 04th 2006
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The J5 Post made me want to read this again...
Feb 21st 2007
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RE: The J5 Post made me want to read this again...
Feb 21st 2007
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-patiently waits for eardrum-
Feb 22nd 2007
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We all saying what everybody who don't come here is saying
Feb 22nd 2007
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lmao at this post coming back again. its still funny to me. n/m
Feb 22nd 2007
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^^these replies r proof that intelligence and hip hop is long gone
Feb 22nd 2007
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