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> >-so he loses out 'cause he's not an "actor"?
It's not about "acting". it's about having an innate power that grabs the listener and attracts them to you. Jay-Z has it. even when he's not at top form, he sounds dope and people like him. Mos has it. Common has it. Black Thought does not.
>>listen to Hurricane (the track with Common and Mos on it). I speak for most people when i say that I don't sit there and wait for Thought's verse to come on...it's Mos or Com's verse that I wait for. > >-you don't have to wait 'cause bt has the 1st verse.
then take Love of my Life. I guarantee you that if you asked 100 people whose verse they waited for on that song, it would be Common. that's because it doesn't matter if Thought spits the most incredible rhymes, he still doesn't have that magnetic charisma. it's the same thing on Super Lyrical with Big Pun. by the time Pun is done his verse, you don't even feel like listening to BT spit.
> >>it's why he's so perfect as part of the Roots. the music is charming and full of soul and vigor and attracts you to it, while you can listen to a dope MC rip it. but BT over beats by anyone else other than the Roots would be boring...let's face it. > >-i've heard him spit over programmed beats. 'sounds like the >same 'thought to me.
you don't get it. it IS the same Thought, and that's the problem. if he didn't have the Roots behind him, he would still be in South Philly spittin and trying to get a deal. there's a lot more to MCing than raw verbiage...it's about how you present yourself, your voice, and the soul that leaks onto the track.
>>it's the same reason why Don't Say Nuthin isn't a great track...it's standard fare for contemporary rap, and there's nothing about BT that screams "LISTEN TO THE WORDS I SPIT!". on the other hand, Jay-Z, Common, Nas, Pac, and Biggie could/can all spit over a weak or lackluster beat and you STILL wanna listen. not the same with Black Thought. >
i stand by this.
>>Thought is wildly slept on and is definitely top 15 or 20, but the fact that not many people remember him in their "top" lists illustrates the fact that he will always be the no-frills MC with very little charisma. >
i don't think that's why. i don't think he gives a shit >either way. & that's money to me. what's charisma matter >when you get the job done.
charisma matters because you can hear it when an MC spits. listen to a Mos Def song. when he spits about water you can feel the sense of urgency in his voice. when he talks about a girl with a fat ass you feel like he's your boy just tellin you about it with a bigass smile on his face. it's not the same way with Thought. when he talks about how much he loves Amina, you don't know whether it really happened. it's not as convincing. what Mos does is injected with charisma.
>>charisma is probably the deciding factor in how dope an MC is...because it's the saem thing as dynamics. it's like listening to a saxophone player who's technically great but doesn't play from the heart. it's not hte same...you don't feel like BT is exposing himself and giving you everything he has, and although i think he actually does have a dynamic personality, he doesn't come off that way on record. > >-i whole-heartedly disagree. > >>I put these MC's above him, and there's plenty more that I like better but wouldn't say ARE better: > >>KRS >>Rakim >>Nas >>Jay >>Biggie >>Pac >>Common > >that's a strong-ass list. > >-i've grown tired of arguing against them. they're all great >mc's. bt included. > >>I have to add that I think it's ridiculous that people value empty verbiage over meaningful, poetic rhymes. and that's what it comes down to with BT versus cats like Common and Nas. > >-see, this is what i don't get. the closer you get to >analyzing the art of this shit, the more you lose me. >there's no way you gon' get me to believe that black thought >ain't as artistic & as profound as the next mc, when it >comes to mc'ing. >
i think this comes down to standards. you favor the vocal and lyrical gymnastics of this shit, am i right?
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