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dwhite

Thu Apr-06-00 09:10 AM

  
98. "RE: Final Thoughts (Like it matters...)"
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Hi, I'm a long-time listener, first-time caller. I felt compelled to jump into this discussion, because I was disappointed by the level of discourse, especially from ?uest, who seems to be taking things a bit too personally.

The initial criticism of Common's album was kinda weak, and could have easily been attacked on it's own merits, but instead people have been falling over themselves to take personal potshots at the critics. A person should be able to criticize an album without having his tastes attacked (Just because I don't like Common's album means I must be a Puffy or Cash Money fan? That's ridiculous.), his musical knowledge impugned, or his motives questioned.

I'll admit that I'm not really feeling Common's album. I don't have any creditials as a musician, I've never studied any instrument, and I barely passed my "Elements of Music" class back in college. But I have been a serious hip hop fan for 20 years, I'm a grown man, and I learned long ago that it's okay for me to not like something. I can't break down the technical reasons for not liking Common's album. I do know that it failed my "train test." I put my headphones on and listened to the album on the way to and from work for a few days. Every time I listened to Common's album, I generally found myself not paying attention to it, and I continually had to force myself to listen. I'm not saying it's bad, it just didn't hold my attention. That could be acceptable at work or at home, since other things are distracting me. But on the train, there's nothing else to vie for my attention, yet LWFC still didn't keep it. The new Ghostface album does; Dead Prez does; Blackalicious does. LWFC doesn't.

Now, I'm sure that it must be frustrating for a musician to read such a vague criticism, but the average fan doesn't have the musical vocabulary to say much more. Sorry. But just because I don't have the vocabulary doesn't mean I can't hear what's going on. And if one has to have the proper musical understanding to appreciate the album, then you might want to look at yourself. The average fan didn't need a musical education to appreciate James Brown, EW&F, George Clinton, Marvin Gaye, the Bomb Squad, RZA, or Premier. Why do they need it to appreciate you?

It's easy to say that your music is so much better than most everything else that's out right now. That's completely true. But if you claim to be in the lineage of JB, Prince, EWF, etc., then you have to compare your output to theirs. That's who I'm comparing you to. I listen to music for a bunch of different eras, not just stuff that was released last week. I don't say "man, this Common album is much better than that Ruff Ryders album that I never bothered to buy;" I say "this groove on this Common song is cool, but it doesn't come close to anything on this James Brown CD that I'm also carrying around with me. I think I'll listen to some JB instead." I believe that you guys do belong firmly in that lineage, but while the icons were great at it, you're "pretty good." (please don't take that as a dis; it's not meant in that spirit).

I acknowledge that there's not gonna be another band as talented as James Brown's band; there's not gonna be another singer as great as Marvin Gaye; there's not gonna be another producer as great as the Bomb Squad. But topping their legacy is what you should be aiming for, not just being better than the flavor of the week.

As for the "worshipping" of innovation that seems to go on around here, I'd like to say I support innovation, but innovation is just a means, not the end itself. The end is good music. Innovative or not, that's what I want to hear. I can appreciate experimenting, but that doesn't mean I have to like each experiment.

As I said, I wasn't really feeling the album. But that doesn't mean I won't buy the next one. I certainly will, because I think you brothers are very talented. I've been a fan of Common's since Resurrection, and I still consider myself a fan, even if I wasn't impressed by this effort (there are plenty of Prince records I don't like, yet I'm a huge fan of him). So I'm not feeling this one. Maybe next time you'll work the kinks out to my liking. If not, then the time after that. I'm a fan of the Roots, and I'm sure I'll continue to be. I wasn't a D'Angelo fan, but this lastest album converted me. Keep up the good work, and please try to accept this criticism in the spirit it was given.

David

  

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soulquarians.. [View all] , donwill, Thu Mar-30-00 12:41 PM
 
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wanna know why? i'll tell you why......
Mar 30th 2000
1
RE: wanna know why? i'll tell you why......
_bigheezy_
Mar 30th 2000
2
RE: wanna know why? i'll tell you why......
Mar 30th 2000
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what da fuck
_bigheezy_
Mar 30th 2000
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RE: wanna know why? i'll tell you why......
pinoynj
Apr 01st 2000
47
      sampling.......hmmm
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           RE: sampling.......hmmm
pinoynj
Apr 02nd 2000
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           RE: sampling.......hmmm
Apr 04th 2000
66
           RE: sampling.......hmmm
maltone west
Apr 05th 2000
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           RE: sampling.......hmmm
maltone west
Apr 05th 2000
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A question:
Mar 30th 2000
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i told myself i wouldn't respond to you......
Mar 30th 2000
13
I'm Convinced That's What It Is
Quinn
Mar 30th 2000
15
Pharoahe Monch
bugginout!
Mar 31st 2000
39
      RE: Pharoahe Monch
Apr 02nd 2000
65
RE: i told myself i wouldn't respond to you......
Mar 30th 2000
16
AMEN ?UEST!
Mar 31st 2000
20
Dayum ?uest...Preach it..(no jockin here)..but Dayum!!..n/m
Shai4NY
Mar 31st 2000
41
RE: i told myself i wouldn't respond to you......
pinoynj
Apr 01st 2000
48
      well
Apr 01st 2000
52
      RE: well
pinoynj
Apr 02nd 2000
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           RE: well
Apr 02nd 2000
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           Puny and everyone else.
Apr 05th 2000
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      Is this a joke?
JDET313
Apr 05th 2000
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      PREEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
Apr 05th 2000
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      Let's spread that love...
Apr 07th 2000
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      OMAR PONY WHATEVER.........
Apr 05th 2000
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RE: wanna know why? i'll tell you why......
rewind
Mar 30th 2000
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repetittive?
P!
Apr 01st 2000
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      Right? How is Thelonius NOT Hip Hop . . .
Apr 05th 2000
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Wow, ?uest..
Mar 30th 2000
7
RE: wanna know why? i'll tell you why......
MosCommonWhiteBoy
Mar 30th 2000
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RE: wanna know why? i'll tell you why......
Villain
Mar 30th 2000
12
RE: wanna know why? i'll tell you why......
Mar 31st 2000
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That drummer is getting Vixed with the Truth.
Mar 30th 2000
17
whole nother direction
Mar 31st 2000
18
      oh, okay
Mar 31st 2000
21
      kev.....
Apr 01st 2000
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           RE: kev.....
pinoynj
Apr 02nd 2000
60
           EFF THIS!!!
Apr 05th 2000
69
                Tinky?
Apr 05th 2000
70
                i hear you...
Apr 05th 2000
81
                     reassuring, bennie....
Apr 05th 2000
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                          oh yeah...
Apr 05th 2000
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                               don't eff with this....
Apr 05th 2000
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                                    look kid...
Apr 06th 2000
100
                                         Ya'll are bugging
Apr 06th 2000
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                                         lemme guess....
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      RE: whole nother direction
pinoynj
Apr 02nd 2000
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           who you speakin for?
Apr 05th 2000
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           Ignorance is bliss
Apr 05th 2000
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                G'won grrl!
Apr 06th 2000
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                     quoting Beenie
Apr 06th 2000
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                          RE: quoting YOU
Apr 07th 2000
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Why does FIRE insist on torturing herself?
Mar 31st 2000
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RE: Why does FIRE insist on torturing herself? The real one!
Mar 31st 2000
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"Lessons" Posts from Ahmir
BEN
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RE: wanna know why? i'll tell you why......
Midnight_Son
Apr 01st 2000
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the reason why ?uest is qool
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RE: wanna know why? i'll tell you why......
infinite7
Apr 05th 2000
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??
Apr 05th 2000
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"Let the congregation say AMEN!!!!!"
Apr 05th 2000
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Hmm...I missed that...
Apr 07th 2000
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RE: wanna know why? i'll tell you why......
Rocketeer
Apr 05th 2000
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correct if i'm wrong....
Mar 30th 2000
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Try reading quest's posts...
Supreme
Mar 30th 2000
8
read below please
Mar 30th 2000
10
      Grand Daddy IU.....
Mar 30th 2000
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           RE: Grand Daddy IU.....
SqueegeeXM
Mar 31st 2000
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                RE: Grand Daddy IU.....
DanjaRoom1
Apr 06th 2000
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tell me
Mar 31st 2000
22
There's an entire post on this in the Lesson
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ill tell you again
Apr 01st 2000
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RE: ill tell you again
Apr 01st 2000
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RE: ill tell you again
micah
Apr 06th 2000
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I'll tell u...
JDET313
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      This guy above me is Jay Dee in disguise...
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           If you get any smarter
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           RE: This guy above me is Jay Dee in disguise...
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                Thanks ?uest
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hmmmmm
Mar 31st 2000
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Retrospection
infinite eternal
Mar 31st 2000
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I was gonna spit some fire too, but.......
Apr 05th 2000
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RE: hmmmmm
Mar 31st 2000
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RE: hmmmmm
Mar 31st 2000
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A universal reply by Okayplayer Goldbond
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Stop Defending yall s&#^ wtf
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RE: soulquarians..
Jihad
Mar 31st 2000
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don't sweat this shit.....
Mar 31st 2000
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RE: don't sweat this shit.....
pinoynj
Apr 01st 2000
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      i will never join the dark side....
Apr 02nd 2000
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      RE: i will never join the dark side....
pinoynj
Apr 02nd 2000
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      How can you be an authority on Hip Hop
Apr 05th 2000
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Soulquarians good compared to what???
Mar 31st 2000
35
i skimmed the 35 responses..
Mar 31st 2000
36
RE: Soulquarians good compared to what???
pinoynj
Apr 01st 2000
49
one more thing..
Mar 31st 2000
37
Soulquarians' style is born but let them grow, Okay !
Mar 31st 2000
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RE: Soulquarians' style is born but let them grow, Okay !
sabotage
Apr 01st 2000
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      Okayquote #3030
Apr 02nd 2000
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The funny thing is..
Apr 02nd 2000
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Oh, man, stop the "cross-dissing"
Apr 07th 2000
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To the cats that feel Soulquarians are.....
Apr 02nd 2000
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I would like to announce
Apr 05th 2000
82
I think I've found the answer!
conceited_bastard
Apr 05th 2000
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Final Thoughts (Like it matters...)
Apr 05th 2000
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RE: Final Thoughts (Like it matters...)
Apr 07th 2000
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RE: Final Thoughts (Like it matters...)
dwhite
Apr 06th 2000
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RE: soulquarians..
Apr 06th 2000
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soulaquarians...
Apr 07th 2000
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