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> I've been using Napster
>since the beginning in Sept.,
>1999 and I've never been
>convinced of any "illegal" activity.
>It's the trading from one
>person to another: just like
>when I let one of
>my boys record off my
>stereo or when you record
>on a VCR--the only difference
>being that this on a
>computer.

to my knowledge, taping something for SOMEONE ELSE is not part of the home recording exception. correct me if I'm wrong. and if your scenario above doesn't fall under the home recording exception and you don't have the copyright owner's permission to reproduce the work, it's copyright infringement, kikko.

> It makes no sense
>to call it "boot-legging" when
>they aren't making money off
>exchange (although the recent partnership
>with BMG will inevitably change
>that.

Well, Napster got millions in venture capital which they couldn't have gotten without helping people (through their service) get for free what they otherwise would have paid for. probably not bootlegging in its technical sense, but close enough for the word to be applied in conversational usage.

> I WHOLE-HEARTEDLY AGREE that
>an artist should be compensated
>for their work BUT, there
>are a lot of artists
>out there who would kill
>just to have their work
>seen/heard/experienced, let alone be paid
>for it.

and the ones who don't want Napster exposure are either (a) suing them or (b) going on record in interviews that they are anti-Napster (when asked about the issue).

Plus, there is
>THE INDISPUTABLE FACT (which you
>can find in any news
>source from CNN to your
>local paper) that there has
>been No Significant Change in
>music sales since the creation
>of Napster or its countless
>clones.

newspapers are not in the business of providing empirical data or statistically sound research, by and large (when they do cite studies, they are usually done by outside parties...when is the last time you heard a reporter say "According to a New York Times-sponsored study, data shows...").

Both of the two
>afformentioned facts are why artists
>like Chuck D, Limp Bizkit
>and Offspring are embracing Napster:
>it has exposed their music
>to more people and expanded
>thier fanbase significantly without hurting
>thier record sales--increasing said sales,
>in fact.

How do you explain artists like Dre, Outkast and Metallica saying "thanks but no thanks"? Among others...

> By the way, doesn't
>THE RADIO give away music
>for free on a 24/7
>basis ?

With the permission of the copyright owners...an essential legal distinction.

> It's not about being
>any "Robin Hood", it's merely
>about finding people with whom
>you share musical tastes and
>interacting with them.....sorta like O.K.P
>itself. But like I
>said, this is just one
>man's opinon.

If only opinions won lawsuits, Napster would be fine. Ha.

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit

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"Quit acting like a bitch, 99.99999% of the people can see that you're an idiot." - OKP october33 ripping a hole in someone

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
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McGruder is Wrong [View all] , bshelly, Sat Feb-24-01 07:46 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
okay
Feb 24th 2001
1
right and wrong
Feb 24th 2001
7
I don't think that was the point...
Feb 24th 2001
2
don't sign no papers...
Feb 24th 2001
11
This is just one man's opinion, but....
CABJBLK
Feb 24th 2001
3
dickriding herb...
Feb 24th 2001
4
Reminds me of the BoonBoards...
Feb 26th 2001
44
RE: missing the point
CABJBLK
Feb 24th 2001
14
      RE: missing the point
Feb 24th 2001
23
a little devil's advocate and history
Feb 24th 2001
12
RE: a little devil's advocate and history
CABJBLK
Feb 24th 2001
16
      RE: a little devil's advocate and history
Feb 24th 2001
20
           RE: a little devil's advocate and history
Feb 24th 2001
21
see, now this isn't right...
Feb 24th 2001
15
      RE: see, now this isn't right...
CABJBLK
Feb 24th 2001
17
      RE: see, now this isn't right...
Feb 24th 2001
19
RE: McGruder is Wrong
Kaliah
Feb 24th 2001
5
RE: WHAT I ASK OF YOU ALL...
Feb 24th 2001
6
RE: and remember...
Feb 24th 2001
8
Find Something Wrong...
Feb 24th 2001
13
"i don't napster...but my friends do"...
Feb 24th 2001
10
RE: McGruder is Wrong
Feb 24th 2001
18
Your math is wrong?
Feb 25th 2001
30
      RE: Your math is wrong?
jobmi
Feb 26th 2001
41
           point taken
Feb 26th 2001
45
Fuck That
ImKnockinSomebodyRightTheFuckOut
Feb 24th 2001
22
You Better get rid of your VCR then !
DJ_SCOTT_O
Feb 24th 2001
24
RE: You Better get rid of your VCR then !
Feb 25th 2001
28
that's bullshit...
Feb 25th 2001
25
Say When
Feb 25th 2001
27
I Rob artists.
Feb 25th 2001
26
RE: I Rob artists.
Feb 25th 2001
29
the steps involved
Feb 25th 2001
31
The reason why artists are losing money...
Feb 25th 2001
32
:-) n/m
Feb 25th 2001
35
RE: McGruder is Wrong
DJ_SCOTT_O
Feb 25th 2001
33
NAPSTER HELPED SHAGGY!!!!!!
Annie Oakley
Feb 25th 2001
34
amen & hallelujah!
Feb 26th 2001
36
The RESEARCH SHOWS
jobmi
Feb 26th 2001
37
RE: The RESEARCH SHOWS?!!??!??
Feb 26th 2001
46
but look at
Feb 26th 2001
38
no doubt
Feb 26th 2001
39
free stuff..
AfricanHerbsman
Feb 26th 2001
40
where the hell else...
ive_been_framed
Feb 26th 2001
42
napster article.
Feb 26th 2001
43

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