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51. "I'm out for understanding"
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And I thank you all for your input, for the sincerity of it and for the intelligence of it. I'm really enjoying this discussion.<P>CNote, thank you. I'm cool. While I must keep an open mind and actively seek to be influenced (if I want to grow) I am not going to take these responses as personal attacks. Truely, I haven't felt any "attacks" come my way.<P>As for thinking communally instead of individually, I don't think the choices are that strict. I do think very communally. More an more these recent years, I've been feeling my place in the community and my responsibility to the community. I've looked back on my upbringing and recognized rituals that, though I didn't recognize them then, are part of the black culture. Many of them that come subconsciously, naturally, not out of some kind of intention or obligation. All this though at some point in my recent lineage I have white parents. Somehow this culture was not lost on me, so I don't have as strong a fear as you that a white mother will completely unravel the fabric of global black culture.<P>On the other hand, it will. But only insofar as culture grows. It's dynamic and living. New necessities build new rituals while old, obsolete ones die off. To define it so strictly cages it and keeps it from growing. Definitions are stagnation. This is why, for example, I'm against formal teaching of "ebonics" or an "ebonics" dictionary. Because the moment the language is locked down like that, "joint" can no longer mutate into "jawn" as needed. The old words are needlessly held onto. The new poetry has to go through some asinine standardization before it enters the vocabulary. The same thing here.<P>The adaptable survive. The stagnant parish as the things it clings to parish.<P>Personally, though I'm a writer, I hate to see the oral tradition go. The beauty of passing a story from mouth to mouth and from person to person. The way it changes subtly with each telling to leave out the things that don't apply to a situation while adding things that do. The way we reference the wisdom from the past and honor it by repeating it. But then again, the oral tradition still exists, in hip-hop, in sampling. In the way we pay tribute to the words and wisdom of, say, Stevie Wonder or James Brown in the snippits we borrow from them (this so long as a eurocapitalist system doesn't tear our history from our lips and attach a price tag to it).<P>My point with this is that traditions change, and stay the same. Don't fear for the annihilation of black culture because it is dead. It died yesterday and it will die again tomorrow. It was reborn yesterday and will be reborn as many times as it needs to be. Never in the same form as before because that form is not fit to survive today. But what will survive is the important part. The truth of it which will always ring in our ears. We may "lose" that jawn came from joint or where joint came from, but we will know where it comes from ultimately.<P>How will a white woman raise a black child? Most simply, with love and caring and enough smarts to survive to the point where the child can begin to appreciate his heritage. Black, white, global heritage. That doesn't happen at 2 oe 6 or even 15 years old. Increasingly this world is more culturally overlapping. Our much advanced communication facilitates this change. More important than black heritage is going to be global heritage.<P>I threaten to offend people when I say this, but being black isn't the most important thing in the world. I will not teach my child that no matter what ethnic make-up he or she has because it is not true. I will not ignore black culture because it is part of global culture. And I will certainly teach more black culture than, say, Aboriginal Austrailian culture because, just as my personal agenda has to take precedence in some ways over the black agenda, the black agenda, for me, takes precedence over some aspects of the global cultural agenda.<P>I think our teachings and actions must be made with as broad and truthful a view as possible. The black agenda is not broad enough to survive in the global agenda. It must influence and allow itself to be influenced by the global agenda.<P>That is how Black Culture will survive, through it's influence, NOT through its ablity to dominate while remaining in tact.<P>I think for the black agenda to ignore its new and probably true identity for some old, antiquated one is backward thinking. Separatism (including, "I must keep my blood pure and not mix is with those not of my 'race'") is impossible in this age of communication and interconnectedness. To try to hold onto this is clinging to the dead and that only brings disease.<P>I could rant on that subject for a while longer, but I think you get my point. If you don't, please ask.<P>How it can be in my personal best interest to marry outside of the race. Whatever makes me happy is going to keep me motivated in doing the things I want to do. Education, awareness, enlightenment, thoughtfulness...these are the things I like to bring to people. Not everybody likes these things so you might not want to motivate just anyone to do what they like to do. But this is personally.<P>How my marrying outside the race is in the best interest of the race, well... Black people know more about white people than white people know about black people. This is because black people live both cultures. We, of course, are black but we live in a white world bombarded by white images, white philosophies, white concepts. We cannot survive without having some ability to "be white." White people on the other hand don't have to know about being black. We see their movies, but they don't see ours. We work their jobs, but they don't work ours. We live their lives, but they don't live ours. We know their minds, but they don't know ours. This is our advantage and a disadvantage. Our knowing this much more than them has allowed us to survive. The lack of understanding on their part is what's trying to kill us. Education is the key. We've lived in secret too long. The only way to progress is to be vulnerable again. Give up our advantage. Let them know who we are, let them feel who we are. Make them understand us, connect on a fundamental level. Have them know us as well as we know ourselves. Have them be us as much as we are them. They will be a lot less likely to destroy us, and themselves, after that. My marrying outside the race creates a connection, a conduit for education and understanding. It forces the issues from black to global, to the level we will ALL need to understand to survive. Most simply, it creates common ground.<P>As for love, you're right. Romanticism is a recent fad. We don't always understand our own best interest. Wiser, more objective elders arranging our marriages might be a good thing. At the same time, I must mention this, getting married at 25, 30 is also a recent fad. We are the ages of those who once chose our marriages. So while we still lack the objectivity, we have much of the wisdom of our former choosers. Much more worldliness and much more cunning and smarts. I don't know if it balances, but there's probably less disparity than you think.<P>Again, thanks for your intelligence. I feel blessed to have it.<P><BR>b. well<P>box<P>-"Where's the Love?" - Hanson<BR>-"Heed the message, Kill the messenger" - Shawn Colvin

  

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interacial (love)? story [View all] , honeydrop, Sun Jan-16-00 12:17 AM
 
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i fully realize that everone is entitled to their opinion.....but.....
Jan 16th 2000
1
for real quest
Amenhotep
Jan 16th 2000
2
      See y'all are about to make me sick
Jan 17th 2000
10
      sister nay
Jan 17th 2000
19
           pressed the send button too early....
Jan 17th 2000
20
                the post was mostly for Amen &amp; anyone who
Jan 19th 2000
36
      I won't call you an IDIOT, but......
Jan 17th 2000
13
           True Indeed
honeydrop
Jan 17th 2000
16
           what is this?
Jan 25th 2000
80
That is the most ignorant shit I have ever heard
Jan 16th 2000
3
i would love to let this post die, but
clove
Jan 16th 2000
4
hold up
Amenhotep
Jan 16th 2000
6
People are...
DJChe
Jan 17th 2000
26
ummmm...
Jan 17th 2000
12
Please Y'all..
Jan 16th 2000
5
if it didnt make sense
clove
Jan 16th 2000
7
since i started y'all on a path...
honeydrop
Jan 16th 2000
8
Ma...it is a lost cause
Jan 17th 2000
11
      interracial love?
xlstacylx
Jan 17th 2000
17
      GIRL PLEASE
honeydrop
Jan 17th 2000
24
      u got a job?
xlstacylx
Jan 18th 2000
33
           Guess what ....
Jan 19th 2000
39
      oh please
Jan 19th 2000
37
      did i say...?
xlstacylx
Jan 19th 2000
40
      Are you God's gift to black men?
Jan 19th 2000
38
      what the---
Jan 17th 2000
21
      EXACTLY...
Jan 17th 2000
22
           I have seen the light!!!!!!!!
honeydrop
Jan 17th 2000
23
one and only
Bababooey
Jan 17th 2000
9
Second reply
Jan 17th 2000
14
Like a victim that loves her molester
Jan 17th 2000
15
the jews
Jan 17th 2000
18
True
DJChe
Jan 17th 2000
25
Sad, sad, sad...
Sekhmet
Jan 17th 2000
27
I just have a question?
Jan 17th 2000
28
I can try...
DJChe
Jan 17th 2000
30
      The Falashas (&quot;Black Jews&quot;)
Jan 20th 2000
46
      thank you bon...
Jan 20th 2000
49
      What we are
DJChe
Jan 21st 2000
64
      RE: I can try...
OneLoveOneFear
Aug 25th 2001
87
question(s) :
Jan 18th 2000
31
Second Try
Jan 21st 2000
56
love is love
Sani
Jan 17th 2000
29
my small 2 cents
Jan 18th 2000
32
I'm about this close to being in an interacial relationship
box
Jan 18th 2000
34
Know what's funny?
Jan 18th 2000
35
If the world was like us
BigP3rm
Jan 19th 2000
41
Don't give it away
Sekhmet
Jan 19th 2000
42
      Thanks for coming thoughtful instead of rough
box
Jan 19th 2000
43
           Thinking community instead of individually
Jan 20th 2000
44
           wow nahymsa
Jan 20th 2000
47
           Eureka! The answer to the race question...
Sekhmet
Jan 20th 2000
48
          
           To Box
honeydrop
Jan 21st 2000
52
                honeydrop...
box
Jan 21st 2000
65
                     Box has made me think, not change my mind but think
honeydrop
Jan 21st 2000
66
                          wow
Jan 24th 2000
74
           an ironic twist...
Jan 21st 2000
53
                How does that affect colorism? This is partly a complexion issue
Jan 21st 2000
55
                That is so damn interesting cuz I was just...
honeydrop
Jan 21st 2000
57
           do what comes natural
Jan 20th 2000
45
                My views on this subject
Jan 20th 2000
50
                     faulty logic &amp; double standards
Jan 21st 2000
54
                          Re:Nahmysa
Jan 21st 2000
58
                          dammit
Feb 01st 2000
86
                          calling out nahymsa, and honeydrop
Jan 21st 2000
59
                               calling you back
Jan 24th 2000
75
                                    gaining understanding
Jan 24th 2000
76
                                    Lovin' sum answers
box
Jan 24th 2000
78
this post...
Jan 21st 2000
60
Re:Heaven 7
Jan 21st 2000
61
no, i never said that
Jan 22nd 2000
68
what...
Jan 22nd 2000
70
The Absolute Failure of American Schooling...
Sekhmet
Jan 21st 2000
62
      Sekhmet
Jan 21st 2000
63
      Thanks for the acknowledgement but...
Sekhmet
Jan 22nd 2000
67
           THE EFFIN BOTTOM LINE!
Jan 22nd 2000
69
                I agree
t3chnics
Jan 22nd 2000
71
      have you ever known a white person you liked?
Jan 24th 2000
77
           White people and me...
Sekhmet
Jan 24th 2000
79
                just another damn reply
Jan 25th 2000
81
                     This post is not going to be 150 million words
Sekhmet
Jan 28th 2000
82
Difference between acting...
Jan 22nd 2000
72
LEARN FROM NATURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nature
Jan 22nd 2000
73
man FUCK THIS
Jan 30th 2000
83
and another thing...
Jan 30th 2000
84
      word up
novelty
Jan 31st 2000
85

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