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45. "point taken"
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>
>>How can you prove the sales
>>WOULDN'T have gone up *15%*
>>_without_ Napster?
>
>This is a great response, but
>I have an answer.
>Sales among Napster users GREW
>at a quicker rate than
>among non-Napster users. THAT
>makes it seem that Napster
>encouraged purchase.

that is one interpretation.

another interpretation is they might have bought EVEN MORE records without Napster than with it. Keep all possibilities in mind here...

>>There are empirical
>>studies showing opposite conclusions on
>>this issue,
>
>These studies DO EXIST, but they
>are inherently flawed

maybe I didn't phrase that clearly enough. when i said "there are empirical studies showing opposite conclusions" I meant that there are studies which reach two different conclusions which are opposite of one another. Presumably you are calling the studies used to support "anti-Napster" arguments are flawed. By the same token, the studies relied upon for pro-napster arguments also have flaws. The District Court found the RIAA-supported studies were more reliable. Let's be fair to all sides of the issue here...a perfect study hasn't been done yet on either side.

, as they
>are based on college students,
>which, believe it or not,
>are no longer a fair
>representation of Napster users.

what study do you base that conclusion on?

>College students are more likely
>to be surrounded by discount
>record stores, and also have
>easier access to burners (in
>general) which are other factors
>contributing to the decline in
>Chain Store CD sales.

right, but the presence of napster in the equation is what facilitates access to music which is "burnable" (i.e. MP3s).

>The OTHER kind of major study
>on the issue that supports
>the record industry is the
>decline in sales of CD
>singles. Hey, guess what???
>The industry really wanted to
>get rid of CD singles
>anyway, since they produce very
>little margin.

I know this already. They studies show a precipitous drop in CD single sales which is much sharper than the steady decline that was already occurring. The music industry argument is the CD single sales were slipping, then Napster came and pulled the rug from under the CD single's "feet" causing sales to tumble sharply. It is a debateable point, but we need new studies to base the debate on.

Think about
>it: the single costs the
>same amount to produce as
>a full size CD ($2-$4)
>but it sells for MUCH
>LESS than a full-length album
>($5-$8 instead of $11-$19 for
>a full-length.) It was
>only when the lawyers realized
>they needed stronger statistics that
>they sought out CD sales.

I don't know what your source on RIAA's legal strategy is, but that sounds specious. Even without the CD single study, there was substantial evidence of damages...just by showing the number of MP3 files exchanged over the Napster system, the RIAA and major label lawyers already had shown millions in damages. This is complex enough to discuss by e-mail or inbox, actually.

> Maybe CD singles sell
>less because the record industry
>produces fewer of them now.

I'm pretty sure that variable was taken into account. Give the researchers *some* credit.

>Either way, the record industry is
>shooting itself in the foot,
>and if Napster closes, Gnutella
>will reign supreme.

You don't understand the game. They go after alleged infringers one at a time. If Gnutella is "invulnerable to suit" as some commentators profess, I'm sure the industry will find some way to compensate from any loss caused by Gnutella use. This is a multibillion dollar business. It will keep rolling regardless, but they are trying to maximize profit: every infringer they can nail, they will, rest assured.

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit

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McGruder is Wrong [View all] , bshelly, Sat Feb-24-01 07:46 AM
 
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okay
Feb 24th 2001
1
right and wrong
Feb 24th 2001
7
I don't think that was the point...
Feb 24th 2001
2
don't sign no papers...
Feb 24th 2001
11
This is just one man's opinion, but....
CABJBLK
Feb 24th 2001
3
dickriding herb...
Feb 24th 2001
4
Reminds me of the BoonBoards...
Feb 26th 2001
44
missing the point
Feb 24th 2001
9
RE: missing the point
CABJBLK
Feb 24th 2001
14
      RE: missing the point
Feb 24th 2001
23
a little devil's advocate and history
Feb 24th 2001
12
RE: a little devil's advocate and history
CABJBLK
Feb 24th 2001
16
      RE: a little devil's advocate and history
Feb 24th 2001
20
           RE: a little devil's advocate and history
Feb 24th 2001
21
see, now this isn't right...
Feb 24th 2001
15
      RE: see, now this isn't right...
CABJBLK
Feb 24th 2001
17
      RE: see, now this isn't right...
Feb 24th 2001
19
RE: McGruder is Wrong
Kaliah
Feb 24th 2001
5
RE: WHAT I ASK OF YOU ALL...
Feb 24th 2001
6
RE: and remember...
Feb 24th 2001
8
Find Something Wrong...
Feb 24th 2001
13
"i don't napster...but my friends do"...
Feb 24th 2001
10
RE: McGruder is Wrong
Feb 24th 2001
18
Your math is wrong?
Feb 25th 2001
30
      RE: Your math is wrong?
jobmi
Feb 26th 2001
41
          
Fuck That
ImKnockinSomebodyRightTheFuckOut
Feb 24th 2001
22
You Better get rid of your VCR then !
DJ_SCOTT_O
Feb 24th 2001
24
RE: You Better get rid of your VCR then !
Feb 25th 2001
28
that's bullshit...
Feb 25th 2001
25
Say When
Feb 25th 2001
27
I Rob artists.
Feb 25th 2001
26
RE: I Rob artists.
Feb 25th 2001
29
the steps involved
Feb 25th 2001
31
The reason why artists are losing money...
Feb 25th 2001
32
:-) n/m
Feb 25th 2001
35
RE: McGruder is Wrong
DJ_SCOTT_O
Feb 25th 2001
33
NAPSTER HELPED SHAGGY!!!!!!
Annie Oakley
Feb 25th 2001
34
amen & hallelujah!
Feb 26th 2001
36
The RESEARCH SHOWS
jobmi
Feb 26th 2001
37
RE: The RESEARCH SHOWS?!!??!??
Feb 26th 2001
46
but look at
Feb 26th 2001
38
no doubt
Feb 26th 2001
39
free stuff..
AfricanHerbsman
Feb 26th 2001
40
where the hell else...
ive_been_framed
Feb 26th 2001
42
napster article.
Feb 26th 2001
43

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