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"'good black man.' *EDIT*"
Mon Oct-02-06 01:32 PM by Quixotic

  

          

a few months ago, i got into a very involved conversation with a young lady at an NABJ-related event.

she off-handedly made a comment about how she was confident that she was going to nab her a good black man (she's a senior at Howard).

i, of course, couldn't let the comment slide. ('what does that mean? what are the criteria?')

pretty soon she and i had entered this weird place where everyone else at the table were watching us have this...well, it wasn't a debate, really. we were cracking jokes on each other and we were both conceding points and wrestling with ideas the other had thrown out.

anyway, my basic point was that there was something kinda implicitly insulting about the the phrase: black men are broken by default, and desireable ones were rare. she said that her girlfriend who went to Xavier (Louisiana) was kinda down about the fact that the school was overwhelmingly female (her number was 90% but i couldn't verify that) and that her chances of having a pool of college educated black men would plummet even further when she graduated. she said she empathized with her girl. and then we got into this long aside on masculinity and gender roles and...

blah.

she said an alumnus of Howard made a comment to her while they were in the bathroom at some event. 'get your man now. i got my neurosurgeon back in undergrad.' we both agreed that that was kinda gross.

she said she wanted to include my opinions in her senior thesis, which i guess is nominally about ideas about 'good black men.'

i said all that to say: does anyone else have a problem with the phraseology? with the basic premise?

i dunno.

have you been called this? did you take it as a compliment?

(go.)

~G.D.

  

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'good black man.' *EDIT* [View all] , Quixotic, Mon Oct-02-06 01:02 PM
 
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No.
Oct 02nd 2006
1
i'd ask you to elaborate, but you won't.
Oct 02nd 2006
3
this is Lingo's playground....
Oct 02nd 2006
2
that means the conversation will be productive.
Oct 02nd 2006
6
      If your idea of productive is identical point of views, i agree
Oct 02nd 2006
12
           no. i mean with all the unnecessary ad hominem shit you invariably
Oct 02nd 2006
15
                Translation: the sense you bring to a post my ego can't take it
Oct 02nd 2006
17
                     that's exactly it.
Oct 02nd 2006
32
                          sarcasm - check
Oct 02nd 2006
210
i stay away from people who use that term
Oct 02nd 2006
4
yeah. it's a big red flag.
Oct 02nd 2006
10
And these "herbs" are going to be the "good" ones heads will be looking ...
Oct 02nd 2006
16
      ^^^herb
Oct 02nd 2006
22
      obviously if went to that university i was nerd too
Oct 02nd 2006
24
           amen to your whole response
Oct 02nd 2006
66
           amen
Oct 02nd 2006
124
           This is coming from the same bird....
Oct 02nd 2006
231
                um she was joking
Oct 03rd 2006
254
two things...
Oct 02nd 2006
5
I've Always Taken It To Reflect On Her Past Choices
Oct 02nd 2006
7
why are you assuming the speaker has made 'poor' choices in the past?
Oct 02nd 2006
13
      RE: why are you assuming the speaker has made 'poor' choices in the past...
Oct 02nd 2006
29
           different?
Oct 02nd 2006
37
                Really?
Oct 02nd 2006
49
                     stop.
Oct 02nd 2006
127
                          Hey, You Asked. Don't Be Mad Because My Replies Don't
Oct 02nd 2006
130
                               i had a problem with the assumption.
Oct 02nd 2006
141
                                    Seems Like You're Doing The Assuming
Oct 02nd 2006
153
                                         "i've always taken it to reflect on her past choices."
Oct 02nd 2006
155
                                              Nope. And I'll Tell You Why.
Oct 02nd 2006
163
                                                   sure.
Oct 02nd 2006
166
                                                        Okay, Well Here Goes...
Oct 02nd 2006
171
                                                        this nigga just got out-worded. OkayHistory?
Oct 02nd 2006
174
                                                             that was a sarcastic 'sure.'
Oct 02nd 2006
204
                                                                  Dude, You Have To Explain Your Sarcasm?
Oct 02nd 2006
207
                                                                       (i obviously did.)
Oct 02nd 2006
213
                                                                            i was referring to the string of posts that led to the "sure"
Oct 02nd 2006
215
                                                                            Thanks. And Tell Your Girl Good Luck With Her Thesis.
Oct 02nd 2006
216
                                                                                 RE: Thanks. And Tell Your Girl Good Luck With Her Thesis.
Oct 02nd 2006
224
I want to have a problem with it, but I really don't actually object
Oct 02nd 2006
8
this isn't about nice guys, tho.
Oct 02nd 2006
19
      just for conversation...
Oct 02nd 2006
27
      they are.
Oct 02nd 2006
42
           what if that is her reality?
Oct 02nd 2006
50
                if the reality for a cab driver
Oct 02nd 2006
54
                     cause & effect. so what do you do with that?
Oct 02nd 2006
82
                     RE: if the reality for a cab driver
Oct 02nd 2006
227
                          no.
Oct 03rd 2006
259
      thats a real good point
Oct 02nd 2006
53
           exactly.
Oct 02nd 2006
68
                I doubt that to be the case, and it speaks to the selectioin process
Oct 02nd 2006
85
                     not necessarily.
Oct 02nd 2006
128
                          How does it not?
Oct 02nd 2006
179
The term bothers me for some of the same reasons you mentioned
Oct 02nd 2006
9
it almost *always* seems to be an economic thing, in part.
Oct 02nd 2006
23
      Right. You never hear anyone say "good" in the context of
Oct 02nd 2006
31
No, if you take the phrase at face value.
Oct 02nd 2006
11
Yeah, man....
Oct 02nd 2006
14
i feel indicted by it.
Oct 02nd 2006
18
i remember you saying this before.
Oct 02nd 2006
30
      i picked up on it from listening to ppl talk.
Oct 02nd 2006
51
           agreed
Oct 02nd 2006
55
           i feel you.
Oct 02nd 2006
70
           I totally agree with this...
Oct 02nd 2006
122
           exactly. i was tryin' to say something like this....
Oct 02nd 2006
134
the phrase alone doesn't bother me
Oct 02nd 2006
20
those ppl also seem to care what white ppl think
Oct 02nd 2006
26
"Good on Paper" is what i was gonna say
Oct 02nd 2006
38
my single girlfriends
Oct 02nd 2006
21
RE: 'good black man.'
Oct 02nd 2006
25
I have a problem with someone getting credit for a thesis on
Oct 02nd 2006
28
what if shes soc
Oct 02nd 2006
34
sociology does not = bullshit thesis topic.
Oct 02nd 2006
41
      Hmm "Characteristics African-American females seek in African-American m...
Oct 02nd 2006
52
           so basically her statistical research would be
Oct 02nd 2006
59
           yeah, a friend of mine did her master's thesis on black women &
Oct 02nd 2006
62
                agreed. it is most certainly a legitimate research topic n/m
Oct 03rd 2006
245
                Is your friend's name Jessica by any chance?
Oct 03rd 2006
258
i think it was about the disparity in achievement
Oct 02nd 2006
35
      I figure her thesis isn't Good Black Men: Is They Is, Or Is They Ain't?"
Oct 02nd 2006
40
      you must have a bald head and a hoop earring.
Oct 02nd 2006
48
           seriously, she was way too clever and critical in this conversation
Oct 02nd 2006
58
                So did you hit it?
Oct 02nd 2006
67
                     ass.
Oct 02nd 2006
72
                          but you were out of town...
Oct 02nd 2006
81
                               it was here.
Oct 02nd 2006
94
                               *DEAD*
Oct 02nd 2006
100
                               LOL.....
Oct 02nd 2006
107
i'd like to cover her blanket statement with my own blanket
Oct 02nd 2006
33
.
Oct 02nd 2006
46
Sis...
Oct 02nd 2006
56
      right.
Oct 02nd 2006
61
      maybe she really hates rnb
Oct 02nd 2006
74
      LOL. Right?
Oct 02nd 2006
79
      i thought i hated rnb. lol
Oct 02nd 2006
110
      not at all... i was being facetious
Oct 02nd 2006
84
           Well, glad to hear that you were being facetious.
Oct 02nd 2006
96
                im trying to dig more into the origin of the idea
Oct 02nd 2006
120
i do take issue with it the phraseology, and the basic premise.
Oct 02nd 2006
36
and add to that that many proponents of this concept
Oct 02nd 2006
45
i have a very big problem with that phrase
Oct 02nd 2006
39
I hate it.
Oct 02nd 2006
43
yeah. and to go back to HotThyng's point
Oct 02nd 2006
75
      Right.
Oct 02nd 2006
77
           yup.
Oct 02nd 2006
106
'Girl, he takes care of his children'
Oct 02nd 2006
44
well, one who doesn't....
Oct 02nd 2006
65
      you're supposed to take care of your children
Oct 02nd 2006
           The Doc thinks the thoughts are going too deep.....
Oct 02nd 2006
101
Most will deny but...
Oct 02nd 2006
47
i hate it....
Oct 02nd 2006
57
^^ this too.
Oct 02nd 2006
63
nice
Oct 02nd 2006
64
Yessir.
Oct 02nd 2006
71
^^^ On point, as usual
Oct 02nd 2006
88
bottom line:
Oct 02nd 2006
112
PREACH PREACHA! (c) Kirk Franklin
Oct 02nd 2006
152
I don't think anything else needs to be said. n/m
Oct 02nd 2006
161
One Two! (c) Dilla
Oct 02nd 2006
199
but why you had to drag boris into it 'doh
Oct 02nd 2006
212
Holler this is why I really like u
Oct 02nd 2006
222
some people just say shit to say shit
Oct 02nd 2006
60
they talk cuz they got lips.
Oct 02nd 2006
80
are akin to unicorns towing a wagon w/10 million dollars behind it
Oct 02nd 2006
69
was this event in indianapolis by chance?
Oct 02nd 2006
73
no.
Oct 02nd 2006
78
      good looking
Oct 02nd 2006
93
i'm always interested in how the tenor of these posts
Oct 02nd 2006
76
u better tell it
Oct 02nd 2006
83
you're right.
Oct 02nd 2006
87
it is what it is
Oct 02nd 2006
90
what do you think it should be about?
Oct 02nd 2006
91
right.
Oct 02nd 2006
98
iono, maybe *why* the term exists in the first place....
Oct 02nd 2006
115
      i think the trite/convenient tack is arguing for the validity
Oct 02nd 2006
117
      and i can agree w/ that.
Oct 02nd 2006
123
      i agree.
Oct 02nd 2006
119
      exactly!
Oct 02nd 2006
198
           very well said.
Oct 03rd 2006
255
           yup and rarely vice versa..
Oct 03rd 2006
257
                i don't know if that's because of the gender dynamic on this board
Oct 04th 2006
261
                     i appreciated that
Oct 04th 2006
263
And that is why it should be discussed.
Oct 02nd 2006
97
yeah! that's it!
Oct 02nd 2006
118
very good point
Oct 02nd 2006
232
Finally, a voice of REASON...
Oct 03rd 2006
246
'there are a lot of sorry folks out there'
Oct 03rd 2006
256
your statement seems loaded....
Oct 02nd 2006
102
everybody's statement about this is loaded...
Oct 02nd 2006
111
      i made a point to acknowledge in my post that
Oct 02nd 2006
116
           okay....
Oct 02nd 2006
121
                you're right....
Oct 02nd 2006
142
This was one of the things I sort of touched on in my initial reply
Oct 02nd 2006
108
yeah, you're the one who got me thinkin this way.
Oct 02nd 2006
126
black women who use that expression are somewhat out of touch with reali...
Oct 02nd 2006
138
i understand.
Oct 02nd 2006
165
People should want to "nab" a good person IMO
Oct 02nd 2006
86
no
Oct 02nd 2006
89
.
Oct 02nd 2006
92
A good man depends on what you need and want in a relationship
Oct 02nd 2006
99
      nevermind
Oct 02nd 2006
104
      COOLxGREAT
Oct 02nd 2006
105
           .
Oct 02nd 2006
114
      this is why I love the "reply with quote" option n/m
Oct 03rd 2006
247
good black man vs bad black man
Oct 02nd 2006
95
i wanna say that i *don't* have problems with the way she....
Oct 02nd 2006
103
elaborate.
Oct 02nd 2006
109
yeah, i know. i was interested when you brought it up cause......
Oct 02nd 2006
129
      let's take it there (c) Trotter.
Oct 02nd 2006
136
           Should there be, though?
Oct 02nd 2006
139
           but that's my point.
Oct 02nd 2006
148
           I mean...
Oct 02nd 2006
151
                ya'll are saying the same basic thing, just with different wording.
Oct 02nd 2006
156
                oh, i feel you.
Oct 02nd 2006
157
           yep.
Oct 02nd 2006
149
           i agree with you on this
Oct 02nd 2006
147
                right:
Oct 02nd 2006
154
                     yes. and inside of this perspective....
Oct 02nd 2006
167
i dunno.
Oct 02nd 2006
113
      right.
Oct 02nd 2006
125
      okay. i guess i can see how you would think that....
Oct 02nd 2006
132
      but, but,
Oct 02nd 2006
133
      an interesting point you brought up is.....
Oct 02nd 2006
137
      there are black folk who do the
Oct 02nd 2006
162
      i don't consider it offensive, unless i'm disqualified by someone's def.
Oct 02nd 2006
144
      I don't buy this analogy
Oct 02nd 2006
158
eh...i hate that expression moreso because its so generic
Oct 02nd 2006
131
My problem
Oct 02nd 2006
135
If she would've said "a good man" instead of "a good black man"
Oct 02nd 2006
140
RE: If she would've said "a good man" instead of "a good black man"
Oct 02nd 2006
145
Double N/M
Oct 02nd 2006
146
right, but you only need have a few good brain cells
Oct 02nd 2006
150
Exactly. And likewise, a person with only a few braincells
Oct 02nd 2006
164
      LOL didn't even pick up on that til i just read it again.
Oct 02nd 2006
187
^^^^
Oct 02nd 2006
159
^^^^^^^^^^^^^GOLDMIND OWNS THIS ENTIRE POST^^^^^^^
Oct 03rd 2006
248
so only college educated black men are "good"
Oct 02nd 2006
143
ain't nobody wanna answer me
Oct 02nd 2006
170
RE: ain't nobody wanna answer me
Oct 02nd 2006
178
The way its said means educated and at least middle class
Oct 02nd 2006
188
      but there are nigguhz makin 60 - 100+ that are blue collar
Oct 02nd 2006
195
A class issue
Oct 02nd 2006
160
i disagree with so much of this
Oct 02nd 2006
168
I mean...
Oct 02nd 2006
172
two of the most caked up financially successful
Oct 02nd 2006
180
      I'm just... speechless.
Oct 02nd 2006
183
           Less Economics and more lifestyle
Oct 02nd 2006
189
                jesus christ.
Oct 02nd 2006
192
                have mercy
Oct 02nd 2006
218
                Well, Sweet Imperial Mother of Horseshit.
Oct 02nd 2006
240
                I actually applaud your courage to speak your piece...
Oct 03rd 2006
249
Financialoy poor men more likely to end up victims
Oct 02nd 2006
177
*blink*
Oct 02nd 2006
Yes Parents play a HUGE Role
Oct 02nd 2006
185
      where do you find these blue-blood Black men?
Oct 02nd 2006
190
      I'm mad as hell.
Oct 02nd 2006
193
      i quit INRoads b/c i didn't want to go into finance
Oct 02nd 2006
196
      Don't forget SEO
Oct 02nd 2006
202
      Fucked up family (emotional instability, volatility), etc....
Oct 02nd 2006
191
      it's Mori, y'all.
Oct 02nd 2006
206
      I've no idea who she is.
Oct 02nd 2006
209
      i was this >< close to jumpin in
Oct 02nd 2006
226
      Exactly...
Oct 02nd 2006
235
      I just want to add that there are FEW differences in VALUES
Oct 03rd 2006
250
      ^^^just gets better and better
Oct 02nd 2006
221
i agree w/this part:
Oct 02nd 2006
182
i agree with that too but who is to say
Oct 02nd 2006
201
      word.
Oct 02nd 2006
205
lmao
Oct 02nd 2006
186
I see the desired traits but the outward signs are suspect
Oct 02nd 2006
223
I'll second that
Oct 02nd 2006
184
Is that right?
Oct 02nd 2006
169
Mori didn't see 'Something New'.
Oct 02nd 2006
173
      LOL. Right?
Oct 02nd 2006
175
You are the female counterpart of M2
Oct 02nd 2006
176
From my experiences, it is true
Oct 02nd 2006
181
Okay, I agree that everybody should set their own standards
Oct 02nd 2006
194
I hope you meant that as a compliment to her! :- )
Oct 02nd 2006
197
      I mean, it's neutral lol
Oct 02nd 2006
200
           I agree 100%
Oct 02nd 2006
217
                here here
Oct 02nd 2006
228
                     You can say that again Sistern
Oct 02nd 2006
229
I'd rather have a blue collar man because thats double duty
Oct 02nd 2006
225
only to ask
Oct 02nd 2006
203
What Up Homey?
Oct 02nd 2006
211
FUCK him being black. Its hard to find A GOOD MAN IN GENERAL.
Oct 02nd 2006
208
why...
Oct 02nd 2006
214
FANTASTIC POST! ----(i'm gonna bookmark it for later read)
Oct 02nd 2006
219
you may ignore my response but what i have to say is that
Oct 02nd 2006
220
RE: 'good black man.' *EDIT*
Oct 02nd 2006
230
good post, kinda wish I had got in sooner
Oct 02nd 2006
233
seriously, my first reaction was: a good man, period
Oct 02nd 2006
234
i'm not a good black man. :(
Oct 02nd 2006
236
Three Things:
Oct 02nd 2006
237
say wha?
Oct 02nd 2006
238
RE: say wha?
Oct 02nd 2006
239
      Shallow and judgemental you win!!
Oct 03rd 2006
244
agreed on points #2 & 3...I can't clap to #1.
Oct 03rd 2006
251
I want a good white man
Oct 02nd 2006
241
you might could pull a republican senator wit that boy's body. lol.
Oct 02nd 2006
243
my take.
Oct 02nd 2006
242
*Applause* (i am so glad you came out of lurk mode for this)
Oct 03rd 2006
252
i don't understand any of this at all
Oct 03rd 2006
260
      -summarizes-
Oct 04th 2006
262
           right, but like....
Oct 04th 2006
265
                RE: right, but like....
Oct 05th 2006
266
yeah i have a problem with it
Oct 03rd 2006
253
I squirm when i'm labeled a good black man
Oct 04th 2006
264

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