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"What is the distinguishing difference between transgender & transrace?"


          

Moreover - if you support the exploratory process, plight, and rights of trans-gendered people, why do you mock and belittle those who identify as transracial?

I'm not particularly interested in the conservative opinion here, whereby they think transgendered *and* transracial are silly concepts not worthy of equal rights under the law.

I'm more interested in the progressive opinion - whereby in one respect, the cause of transgendered people is championed, yet on the flip side, the mere mention of transracial is a crime worthy of condemnation and clowning.

Do tell.

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What is the distinguishing difference between transgender & transrace? [View all] , Vex_id, Fri Jun-12-15 12:24 PM
 
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wait, transrace is a thing now?
Jun 12th 2015
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the concept has been here for quite some time.
Jun 12th 2015
2
      are we talking passing? or one drop?
Jun 12th 2015
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      Just as with gender identity, there isn't one answer.
Jun 12th 2015
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           and im not looking for one answer
Jun 12th 2015
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      White folks & Asians been trans-racial since the birth of hip-hop
Apr 14th 2019
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I've been trying to grapple with this for a while now
Jun 12th 2015
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RE: I've been trying to grapple with this for a while now
Jun 12th 2015
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      but see then you're making race about genetics.
Jun 12th 2015
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           so race is more about history than one's actual ethnic makeup?
Jun 12th 2015
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                I wonder.....
Jun 12th 2015
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                What is an "actual ethnic make up" if not an expression of history?
Jun 12th 2015
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                     Certainly, history is integral to identity.
Jun 12th 2015
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                     No, because sexuality doesn't function the way race does.
Jun 12th 2015
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                          So....
Jun 12th 2015
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                               I'm a part of the race is a social construct crowd.
Jun 12th 2015
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                                    hmmmm
Jun 12th 2015
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                                    Actually two black people can have an asian baby
Jun 15th 2015
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                                         Actually no they can't.
Jun 18th 2015
512
                                    This still minimizes male privilege and patriarchy
Jun 12th 2015
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                                         Yep. You're right on all counts here.
Jun 12th 2015
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                     ok, this is a good articulation
Jun 12th 2015
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                          true. that's a part of it that i still haven't quite be able to reconcil...
Jun 12th 2015
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Because race is an expression of privilege...
Jun 12th 2015
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Male privilege doesn't exist in a top-down patriarchal structure?
Jun 12th 2015
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A white woman is still more privileged that a blk man
Jun 12th 2015
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      ^^^^^
Jun 12th 2015
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      not entirely true.
Jun 12th 2015
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           Trans-racial is just as non exist an as post black
Jun 12th 2015
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                depends on what somebody means by "trans-racial"
Jun 12th 2015
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                     Post racial doesn't mean racism is over
Jun 12th 2015
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                          RE: Post racial doesn't mean racism is over
Jun 12th 2015
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                               RE: Post racial doesn't mean racism is over
Jun 12th 2015
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                                    we will have to agree to disagree on a number of issues
Jun 13th 2015
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                                         Race and gender are two separate things.
Jun 13th 2015
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                                              for sure, but what distinguishes them from each other as "trans" theorie...
Jun 13th 2015
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male privilege is fake now?
Jun 12th 2015
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Well stated.
Jun 12th 2015
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Not really.
Jun 12th 2015
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      and they'd be wrong, but we have evidence of the contrary.
Jun 12th 2015
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           what evidence is this?
Jun 15th 2015
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i reject in totality that Black ppl are "below" anybody
Jun 12th 2015
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what are we able to take from them?
Jun 12th 2015
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.
Jun 12th 2015
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Iin a lot of ways, "transracial" is an extreme expression of white privi...
Jun 12th 2015
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Agreed.
Jun 12th 2015
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this^^^
Jun 12th 2015
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PREACH
Jun 12th 2015
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I mean, I guess. But what about all the B/black people who
Jun 12th 2015
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Most black ppl who have passed or do passed ARE part white...
Jun 15th 2015
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so you're invalidating the whole concept based on one scenario?
Jun 12th 2015
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You say that in contrast to how a transgendered woman is treated?
Jun 12th 2015
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that same trans woman will also likely be taking hormone treatments
Jun 12th 2015
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      #actually
Jun 13th 2015
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High kicks!
Jun 12th 2015
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..aaaaaannnnd SEEN.
Jun 15th 2015
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      or scene
Jun 16th 2015
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He's RIGHT!
Jun 12th 2015
He's RIGHT!
Jun 12th 2015
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i get confused for conservative on this topic but i'm not
Jun 12th 2015
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Well there's this:
Jun 12th 2015
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That seems to be the crux of those who reject transgendered people:
Jun 12th 2015
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A lot of these ambiguities spring up because...
Jun 12th 2015
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Yes, I think this is a great point.
Jun 12th 2015
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good post.
Jun 12th 2015
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the black/Black dustups actually make sense in this scenario
Jun 12th 2015
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I wonder what would happen if the idea of race was erased...
Jun 12th 2015
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right, which is why there is room for fluidity re: 'black identity'
Jun 12th 2015
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      RE: right, which is why there is room for fluidity re: 'black identity'
Jun 15th 2015
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And this is exactly the struggle transgender people are fighting
Jun 12th 2015
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this is pretty much what i came in to post
Jun 12th 2015
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      nah...sloppy science is used for both
Jun 15th 2015
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      it could be argued that gender is but sex isn't
Jun 15th 2015
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The people comparing these two are either white or transphobic.
Jun 12th 2015
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One is culture and the other is biological
Jun 12th 2015
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I am pretty sure you can't distinguish fetuses by race.
Jun 12th 2015
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What would be gender dysphoria for transrace?
Jun 12th 2015
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the japanese b-stylers
Jun 12th 2015
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Apparently they have theme parks
Jun 12th 2015
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sad face
Jun 12th 2015
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Jamal, talk white! (c) Kid in House Party 2
Jun 12th 2015
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      oh shit
Jun 12th 2015
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That girl, Hina, tho.....?
Jun 12th 2015
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sans or with tan?
Jun 12th 2015
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I would place this in a seperate category based on cultures
Jun 14th 2015
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      RE: I would place this in a seperate category based on cultures
Jun 14th 2015
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alright, IF...IF we were to take this goofy ass argument for real...
Jun 12th 2015
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True.
Jun 12th 2015
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Find someone 50 years ago....
Jun 12th 2015
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      yes but, the act of gender bending has been around forever.
Jun 12th 2015
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What if this was our out?
Jun 12th 2015
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sure, but it's very arbitrary as to when people legitimize identity.
Jun 12th 2015
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sidenote: notice how we champion self-identity in one instance...
Jun 12th 2015
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because it's largely unnecessary
Jun 12th 2015
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RE: because it's largely unnecessary
Jun 12th 2015
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Perhaps it's this simple
Jun 12th 2015
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      RE: Perhaps it's this simple
Jun 12th 2015
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           RE: Perhaps it's this simple
Jun 12th 2015
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                RE: Perhaps it's this simple
Jun 12th 2015
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                     Yah....I anticipated that.
Jun 12th 2015
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you can feel like a woman. feeling black doesn't exist without societal ...
Jun 12th 2015
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why is that left up to you adjudicate and understand?
Jun 12th 2015
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i'm not saying its up to me, i just want to understand how it works.
Jun 12th 2015
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      it's obviously something emerging as an entry to a larger discussion
Jun 12th 2015
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I think yall are wrong saying gender doesn't involve societal context
Jun 12th 2015
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fair enough.
Jun 12th 2015
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There's no way of ever knowing that what you're feeling is woman
Jun 12th 2015
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right. trans is something that can be apparent during childhood
Jun 13th 2015
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Who are these people who consider themselves transracial?
Jun 12th 2015
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I've asked
Jun 12th 2015
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      I think it's telling that they won't speak in specifics
Jun 12th 2015
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           The reason there aren't specifics is because it's a new concept.
Jun 12th 2015
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                Our specific example is Rachel
Jun 15th 2015
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My question is why are people trying so hard to distinguish the two?
Jun 12th 2015
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This is the most fascinating part of this conversation to me:
Jun 12th 2015
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It just proves my theory that all ppl are self-ish and self-serving
Jun 12th 2015
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I'm seeing a ton of pushback from black and white people on the internet
Jun 12th 2015
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      Well I am talking about a very specific group, Pro-transgendered and ant...
Jun 12th 2015
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      lol right.
Jun 12th 2015
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one deals with gender, one deals with skin color
Jun 12th 2015
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The argument (that we're trying to dismantle)
Jun 12th 2015
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      don't dismantle it, simply ignore it
Jun 12th 2015
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           I don't think it's a waste of time.
Jun 12th 2015
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                i agree with that, however
Jun 12th 2015
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transgender folks are normal & transrace
Jun 12th 2015
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Whatever someone wants to identify as.....
Jun 12th 2015
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being black stymies ANY exploratory process. off rip.
Jun 12th 2015
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One is real and one is racist...
Jun 12th 2015
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I think everyone agrees with you.
Jun 12th 2015
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Nope. Its the same damn thing
Jun 12th 2015
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Total utter self-serving bullshit. One is a thing and the other is not ...
Jun 12th 2015
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Yup.. I was late as fuck on your angle but you are killing it on this is...
Jun 12th 2015
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Please, you read Ms. Jenners 5 page article
Jun 12th 2015
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      Haven't read it yet. I guess you didn't notice that my position isn't
Jun 12th 2015
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lol wow.
Jun 12th 2015
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      White people wanting to possess blackness is as old as the day is long
Jun 12th 2015
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      predictably, you want to make this about you.
Jun 12th 2015
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      k
Jun 12th 2015
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      How does all you just said, not apply to transgendered?
Jun 12th 2015
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      I agree with all that.
Jun 12th 2015
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      It's the transgenders peeping in the locker room argument lol
Jun 12th 2015
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           Except those are their unfounded fears
Jun 12th 2015
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                So this lady in the news today is a racist?
Jun 12th 2015
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                There is a high chance she made up fake hate crimes
Jun 12th 2015
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                What makes her racist? Misguided comes to mind but what makes her a raci...
Jun 12th 2015
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                     Well there is the black face part for starters.
Jun 12th 2015
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                          Again, apply your logic to transgender.
Jun 12th 2015
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                               black face and transgender people are not equivalent.
Jun 12th 2015
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                                    If you describe what that lady is doing is blackface then clearly you
Jun 13th 2015
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                                         If this was black face than that is black face
Jun 13th 2015
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                                              It's really weird
Jun 13th 2015
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                                                   it is - and it's also logically bankrupt.
Jun 13th 2015
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                                                        Only if you continue to view this ahistorically
Jun 15th 2015
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I guess I'm still stuck on the individuals being used for comparison
Jun 12th 2015
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But this is only because we knew Jenner beforehand...
Jun 12th 2015
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the major component to passing is secrecy otherwise you're not passing
Jun 12th 2015
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How can one be trans race when one can only be human?
Jun 12th 2015
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to put it this way, i'm not going to deconstruct a turd
Jun 12th 2015
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To answer the ?, they say race isn't scientific but gender is.
Jun 12th 2015
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Also this question from a white supremacist society is some bullshit
Jun 12th 2015
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ya'll niggas, the white and black and others among you, are wild as shit...
Jun 12th 2015
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i understand one and don't understand the other.
Jun 12th 2015
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trans ppl have existed for centuries
Jun 13th 2015
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Buddy and Vex...thank you
Jun 13th 2015
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Too be fair, I don't if I am completely sold on either.
Jun 13th 2015
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Not everybody views that as a good thing.
Jun 13th 2015
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      Things that people say ONLY after integration for $100 Alex.
Jun 15th 2015
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           Garvey said it prior...
Jun 16th 2015
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                How'd that work out for the Garvey-ites?
Jun 16th 2015
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                     Pretty well until integration. What has integration done for
Jun 17th 2015
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she's good as any because you can't be transracial without lying
Jun 13th 2015
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      Slippery slope.
Jun 13th 2015
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           What part of "performance" is police brutality?
Jun 13th 2015
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I know that we're only loosely basing this thread on Rachel.
Jun 13th 2015
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RE: I know that we're only loosely basing this thread on Rachel.
Jun 13th 2015
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Caitlyn Jenner is DOING exactly what you said she isn't doing.
Jun 13th 2015
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It's simple:
Jun 13th 2015
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      This is called a dinstinction without a difference.
Jun 15th 2015
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That "going natural" bullshit offends me more than any of it really...
Jun 13th 2015
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there is no difference bc you are who you are...
Jun 13th 2015
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Melissa-Harris Perry is talking about it
Jun 13th 2015
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Transrace is a new white supremacist buzzword. White privilege
Jun 13th 2015
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lol this is such non-sense, but entertaining non-sense.
Jun 13th 2015
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I outright dismissed "transracialism" when framed by the Jenner situatio...
Jun 13th 2015
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      you dismissed the mere mention of "transrace" as white supremacist jargo...
Jun 13th 2015
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I find it absolutely consistent to dismiss transgenderism and transracia...
Jun 13th 2015
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I'm with what Buddy said ultimately:
Jun 13th 2015
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Man, its so entertaining watching people justify one and not the other.....
Jun 13th 2015
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that's the dangerous crossroads right there.
Jun 13th 2015
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Post 171.
Jun 13th 2015
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      Naw, that post is pretty refutable.
Jun 15th 2015
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People may not like the comparative analysis w/ gender,
Jun 13th 2015
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Potential biological and chemical urges are present in one case
Jun 13th 2015
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this is why:
Jun 13th 2015
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RE: What is the distinguishing difference between transgender & transrac...
Jun 13th 2015
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There's a huge problem in this.
Jun 13th 2015
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yea see, you want to make it about you.
Jun 13th 2015
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Michael Jackson was transgender and transracial
Jun 13th 2015
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Did he identify himself as a woman? I dont recall.
Jun 13th 2015
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lulz
Jun 14th 2015
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Michael Jackson was very clear that he was a Black man
Jun 19th 2015
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and how is this (transrace, i.e.) not cultural appropriation?
Jun 13th 2015
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It is if you think culture can be appropriated. If you think culture can...
Jun 13th 2015
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      so american indians should stop bitching
Jun 14th 2015
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.
Jun 13th 2015
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huffpo article on Dolezal v Caitlyn
Jun 13th 2015
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Started off promising but falls into the same trap.
Jun 13th 2015
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i am so sick of
Jun 15th 2015
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They are both the same in that neither exists.
Jun 13th 2015
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your mistake is thinking social constructs don't exist.
Jun 13th 2015
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They exist the same way black 'super strength' exists
Jun 14th 2015
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      So you don't believe in the Social Construct of 'Money'?
Jun 16th 2015
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           Money has the value of whatever goods or service are attached
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Where is the "power" in being transgender? My nigga, what are you saying...
Jun 13th 2015
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      The power is in the organizations that pull or grant their sponsorship
Jun 14th 2015
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Would you agree that white supremacy is part of US ideology?
Jun 14th 2015
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Lets say I'm for transrace.. outright lying about your past is that too?
Jun 14th 2015
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exactly.
Jun 14th 2015
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Go ahead and let the advocates align it with pathological lying
Jun 14th 2015
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heh I'm sayin, is Bruce saying he was a mom who ran against women?
Jun 14th 2015
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she is a pathological liar, she's not "trans race" or any other made up ...
Jun 15th 2015
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I hear but that should apply to transgendered as well. Is
Jun 14th 2015
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#192 e.g. did he say he raised kids as a mom?
Jun 14th 2015
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yea, there have never been cases of trans lying about their sex
Jun 15th 2015
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One is a fraud that requires you lie
Jun 14th 2015
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I think you are confusing transexual and transgender
Jun 15th 2015
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MHP is talking about it again this morning w/ a panel...
Jun 14th 2015
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Proving?
Jun 14th 2015
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      proving that there is merit in having a broader discussion.
Jun 14th 2015
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           Has Dolezal even identified as trans-racial?
Jun 14th 2015
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                the discussion is really less about her than it is the concept of transr...
Jun 14th 2015
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                     White people have a constitution right to express themselves.
Jun 14th 2015
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                          There's a difference in supporting Dolezal's decision to lie
Jun 17th 2015
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Drop the passive-aggressiveness and state your major premise.
Jun 14th 2015
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so... where do you stand on this?
Jun 14th 2015
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i disagree that transrace & transgender are the same thing.
Jun 15th 2015
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My major premise is that self-identification should have a broader scope
Jun 14th 2015
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it's not valid if you have to make up a new history.
Jun 14th 2015
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      u are letting the example ruin it though
Jun 15th 2015
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I already have, but here's more detail attached on to it:
Jun 14th 2015
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I don't think my point has been addressed yet.
Jun 14th 2015
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this here
Jun 15th 2015
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Niggas aint even trying to be subtle about it.
Jun 14th 2015
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Those who are pro transracial is it okay to identify
Jun 14th 2015
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Why do you have to resort to people transitioning for nefarious reasons?
Jun 14th 2015
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lmao.. thr foxnews fear tactics are hilarious.
Jun 14th 2015
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lol right. We've already been over this.
Jun 14th 2015
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is there a moral / non nefarious reason to outright lie
Jun 14th 2015
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      How's that different from Caitlin or Janet Mock applying for
Jun 14th 2015
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      there's no lie attached
Jun 14th 2015
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           Forget this woman. A white woman who feels in her soul that she is Blac...
Jun 14th 2015
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                I guess I've arrived to a place where this is acceptable.
Jun 14th 2015
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                That's a really good assessment of why the social justice world
Jun 14th 2015
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                     ^excellent points by both you and denny here.
Jun 14th 2015
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                Black/African American means you are a descendant of Africans
Jun 14th 2015
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                     You are too focused on the lie
Jun 14th 2015
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                     I doubt the gender/sex distinction has always been acknowledged everywhe...
Jun 15th 2015
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      Is a transgender lying when they identify as the other sex?
Jun 14th 2015
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           gender does not = biological sex
Jun 14th 2015
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                The hypothetical application elides the two, so the question
Jun 14th 2015
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white privilege >>>>>>> casino money and scholarships
Jun 14th 2015
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      not necessarily. white people in california
Jun 14th 2015
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           right, that's one small advantage in one very limited area
Jun 15th 2015
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transracial is a thing, just not the way you think it is
Jun 14th 2015
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^^^^of course this was ignored
Jun 18th 2015
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Is it possible for an intersexed person not to be bisexual?
Jun 14th 2015
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I don't think it's a 1:1comparison.
Jun 15th 2015
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Are you implying that Transgenders have different biological
Jun 15th 2015
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      nah, he's saying they visit doctors so it's different
Jun 15th 2015
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      Uh no, I'm saying there's scientific research that has identified
Jun 18th 2015
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           what research? what psychological markers?
Jun 19th 2015
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      I said psychology and hormones.
Jun 18th 2015
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The discourse would improve so much if special care was
Jun 15th 2015
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Also, if we were to try to agree on a similar breakdown
Jun 15th 2015
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This definition of race would disqualify Af-Am as black people
Jun 15th 2015
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      I don't disagree that biological identifiers of race are problematic
Jun 15th 2015
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This implies that trans people are trying to pass as cis...
Jun 15th 2015
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^^^ this is where her story doesn't work for me
Jun 15th 2015
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Again, complete utter bullshit.
Jun 15th 2015
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      Try again...
Jun 15th 2015
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      You're talking like everyone has a Masters degree in gender studies...
Jun 15th 2015
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      I get that not everyone pays attention to these issues
Jun 15th 2015
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      You sayin that transwomen don't describe themselves as "women"?
Jun 15th 2015
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           They describe themselves as trans women.
Jun 15th 2015
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           Yep yep.
Jun 15th 2015
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           i have known a few trans men and women.
Jun 15th 2015
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                The ones I've known/know freely identify themselves.
Jun 15th 2015
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                     i agree.
Jun 15th 2015
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                     Agreed
Jun 15th 2015
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      a lot of people have this view
Jun 15th 2015
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           Did you read the article you posted?
Jun 15th 2015
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                you really can't be this stupid in real life
Jun 15th 2015
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                     Are YOU this stupid?
Jun 15th 2015
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A+ post would read again
Jun 15th 2015
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She resigned. (very short swipe)
Jun 15th 2015
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smart move.
Jun 15th 2015
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after reading the post: one is made-up and the other is real
Jun 15th 2015
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All social constructs are made up. That's why it's a social construct.
Jun 15th 2015
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no, im very clear on what i mean
Jun 15th 2015
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      Transrace has been a term used alot with people of one race
Jun 15th 2015
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           in the context of this house that rachel built?
Jun 15th 2015
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                Today? Maybe. Tomorrow? I think it might be.
Jun 15th 2015
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                     LOL, yall are so pressed. "Tomorrow transclass might be a thing!"
Jun 15th 2015
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                          *Kanye shrug* All types of things might become normal in
Jun 15th 2015
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                               Like bestiality, right?
Jun 15th 2015
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                                    I think that's an oversimplification of what's being discussed here.
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                                    Let him have his fun, it makes him feel better.
Jun 15th 2015
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                                    Let's get beyond "what" and talk about "who."
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                                         I've never met one.
Jun 15th 2015
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                                         Meeting one isn't a prerequisite for discussing an example.
Jun 15th 2015
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                                              Agreed.
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                                                   LOL.
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                                         From what I've read, alot are transracial adoptees
Jun 15th 2015
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                                              Now we're getting somewhere.
Jun 15th 2015
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                                                   Lol, I literally never heard of it until last week.
Jun 15th 2015
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                                                        This clearly explains why you kept relying on fictional scenarios
Jun 15th 2015
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                                                             Oh, ok.
Jun 15th 2015
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                                                             *dancehall horns*
Jun 16th 2015
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                                    lol. Yup.
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                                    You don't need to fear that transrace might cause people to turn
Jun 15th 2015
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                                         And you don't need to fear the transclassers. Or the beastiality mvmt.
Jun 15th 2015
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                                              You're probably right - I don't detect much of a threat from either of
Jun 15th 2015
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several
Jun 15th 2015
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      she sued howard for white discrimination? wtf?
Jun 15th 2015
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      oh my lord.
Jun 15th 2015
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      Bingo. Reply #188
Jun 15th 2015
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           are you saying your dusty approval isnt needed for transracial?
Jun 16th 2015
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                Yep. These transracial people in your imagination don't need my approval
Jun 16th 2015
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here is the thing. Rachel is no Rosa Park (and definitely not a saint)....
Jun 15th 2015
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You aren't being intellectually honest.
Jun 15th 2015
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Someone wrote a think piece complimenting her do's to boot
Jun 15th 2015
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the hair is the best example to me.
Jun 15th 2015
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So I guess you find weaves deceptive too huh?
Jun 15th 2015
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      what if she sued Howard University for racial discrimination?
Jun 15th 2015
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           What do you know about Howard? If being mad at Howard about how you
Jun 16th 2015
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OK, but can we be clear about something? She IS a FRAUD.
Jun 15th 2015
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I think they gave someone jail time here
Jun 15th 2015
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Do you think she is a fraud because of her appearance?
Jun 16th 2015
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heres the thing with that
Jun 15th 2015
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I'M CHINESE NOW.
Jun 15th 2015
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same trap though.
Jun 15th 2015
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but technology still doesn't allow for it 100%
Jun 15th 2015
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      Fine.
Jun 15th 2015
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But you don't need mechanisms to change from one race to another.
Jun 15th 2015
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      Okay. SHAZAM. Now you're White. Thank me later.
Jun 16th 2015
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lolz. if it weren't for okp...
Jun 15th 2015
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what's the agenda behind making this non-thing into a thing?
Jun 15th 2015
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an attempt to paint transgender advocates into a corner
Jun 15th 2015
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I would embrace transracial if it gives bi/multiracial people a voice
Jun 15th 2015
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sure. but that's not what's going on.
Jun 15th 2015
326
      but now that its out there, can it be steered in a legitimate direction?
Jun 15th 2015
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      probably not.
Jun 16th 2015
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           so then someone like my Grandmother is?
Jun 16th 2015
427
                sure.
Jun 16th 2015
434
      right, but...
Jun 15th 2015
329
yep, anybody tying this to caitlyn jenner is telling on themself
Jun 15th 2015
325
      That's not really true at all. Go back to the original Jenner posts.
Jun 16th 2015
337
           well, hold on a minute...
Jun 16th 2015
340
           And here we have it
Jun 16th 2015
348
                i have never hid my hand on OKP, it is a slippery slope... and you are s...
Jun 16th 2015
349
                I know, but Buddy misrepresented your position. Shame on him.
Jun 16th 2015
357
                     so you admit its up to us to decide if we accept self identity? cool
Jun 16th 2015
445
                Conversation is going 360 because that leads us back to why not let RQ
Jun 16th 2015
351
                     true, i feel as tho if you ride for one why wouldnt you ride for the oth...
Jun 16th 2015
354
                     you want us to ride for something that does not exist?
Jun 16th 2015
366
                     I think that Rachel is a liar who knows she is white.
Jun 16th 2015
365
                     CJ hasn't engaged in fraud as RD has.
Jun 16th 2015
374
                          Yep yep
Jun 16th 2015
443
           'the progressive position' <-- *eyes roll*
Jun 16th 2015
341
                there is a lot of Fox News language from BOTH sides on this issue
Jun 16th 2015
346
                     uh huh.
Jun 16th 2015
369
the agenda of the op is bit more...personal methinks...but I'll leave it...
Jun 15th 2015
332
      and Blacks arent making it personal in regards to Rachel?
Jun 16th 2015
350
      what are u even replying to? certainly not what i wrote because
Jun 16th 2015
356
           lmao.. yall are hilarious in here
Jun 16th 2015
359
                huh? Who is yall? I'm not transgender or 'transracial'? So again what
Jun 16th 2015
364
                     theatre major? why so dramatic
Jun 16th 2015
382
                          yeah as I thought, just say u were wrong and pressed
Jun 16th 2015
398
                               nah, just realized you got a whole lotta bitch in u bruh, 64 oz large gu...
Jun 16th 2015
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                                    stop tough typing on the internet and reply 398
Jun 16th 2015
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                                         that isn't tough talk if it's the truth
Jun 16th 2015
464
      seen and agree
Jun 16th 2015
368
why does everyone continue to mention white supremacy
Jun 16th 2015
335
this.
Jun 16th 2015
373
Because the conversation isn't just about being transsexual?
Jun 16th 2015
400
Because its about a white woman that pretending to be black?
Jun 16th 2015
472
Jelani Cobb went in re: "Rachel Dolezal and Our Lies About Race"
Jun 16th 2015
336
I'm actually glad we're having this kind of uncomfortable...
Jun 16th 2015
342
There's one huge caveat to that statement, we didn't "create" transgende...
Jun 16th 2015
343
      I'm sure transgender had to face something every day before changing
Jun 16th 2015
347
           you're confusing sexuality and gender.
Jun 16th 2015
362
           What you have to keep in mind is...
Jun 16th 2015
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                interesting break down
Jun 16th 2015
384
                so gender is more than a social construct?
Jun 16th 2015
431
                     Research on the subject is relatively new, but yes.
Jun 16th 2015
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                          this is why it's so problematic
Jun 19th 2015
528
BTW, if RD does one of those ancestry.com DNA tests and turns out to be
Jun 16th 2015
353
nope
Jun 16th 2015
355
      can I be white?
Jun 16th 2015
367
           Knock yourself out. Self-identify however you like. That doesn't mean
Jun 16th 2015
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           how do I go about "acting" white once I've transitioned?
Jun 16th 2015
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                IDK. you decided you wanted to self-identify so present it how you see
Jun 16th 2015
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                     I don't wanna "self-identify". I wanna be white!
Jun 16th 2015
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           i dont know... i guess, it would probably be an uphill battle tho
Jun 16th 2015
388
*keeps unpopular opinion to self*
Jun 16th 2015
358
LOL, dont be scurred, its been civil
Jun 16th 2015
360
      the world is a shit show
Jun 16th 2015
363
           That's an interesting angle I haven't heard yet.
Jun 16th 2015
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                i just feel like people are who and what they are.
Jun 16th 2015
377
                i agree
Jun 16th 2015
383
                me too, you summed up stance in one sentence
Jun 16th 2015
                me too, you summed up stance in one sentence
Jun 16th 2015
386
                I can't speak for Nika, but I view it like this...
Jun 16th 2015
379
                     I know some lite skint Black people in Charlotte who dont identify as Bl...
Jun 16th 2015
390
                     Here's the thing, though...
Jun 16th 2015
402
                          but... what about when society sees a women who is clearly a man?
Jun 16th 2015
453
                               I get how that can be rough...
Jun 16th 2015
457
                     What about the M2F who clearly presents as a Male though?
Jun 16th 2015
403
                          I can understand how it may be jarring...
Jun 16th 2015
409
No difference except one is the agenda of popular culture
Jun 16th 2015
371
cards on the table: who here actually identifies or wants to identify as
Jun 16th 2015
375
I considered my friend Black. She considered herself "bi-racial"
Jun 16th 2015
380
that's not 'transrace'.
Jun 16th 2015
381
How are you distinguishing trans-racial and bi-racial issues.
Jun 16th 2015
391
easily.
Jun 16th 2015
408
my wife has a friend who is white, she was born and raised in japan
Jun 16th 2015
394
      based on that she's not part of this discussion.
Jun 16th 2015
411
           why not?
Jun 16th 2015
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                b/c nothing in that told me how SHE identifies.
Jun 16th 2015
442
                     my wife says she is japanese... we debated for a while about it
Jun 16th 2015
447
                          *shrugs*
Jun 16th 2015
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                               sure
Jun 16th 2015
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                                    'Japanese' is not a racial identity.
Jun 16th 2015
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                                         he's extremely dumb...like seriously
Jun 16th 2015
455
                                         Until you let that bitch in you, walk up out you.. don't speak to me
Jun 16th 2015
463
                                              ...that reply wasn't to you.
Jun 16th 2015
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                                                   sure it wasn't
Jun 16th 2015
467
                                         lol, true.. but you knew what I meant.
Jun 16th 2015
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                                              i did and that's why i said from the top she has no place
Jun 16th 2015
462
This supports the idea that race isn't intrinsic
Jun 16th 2015
387
Exactly, I was wrong to try to insist on some biological basis. Clearly
Jun 16th 2015
397
      But there's a biological basis for gender and orientation...
Jun 16th 2015
405
           Sure there is a biological basis for orientation, but what about gender?
Jun 16th 2015
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           The same...
Jun 16th 2015
417
                Come one yo, your source talks about Disorders of gender identity.
Jun 16th 2015
426
                     So, you're ignoring the part where I said research is new?
Jun 16th 2015
432
           Race is based on biological features as well. It's just that
Jun 16th 2015
416
                The interpretation of those biological features...
Jun 16th 2015
419
                     Would you disagree that 'feeling black' is part of a shared
Jun 16th 2015
422
                          Absolutely
Jun 16th 2015
425
                               Hm, interesting. I think this is where we disagree then.
Jun 16th 2015
430
                                    I'm not sure where we differ based on your statement.
Jun 16th 2015
436
                                         Sorry about that, you're right. I definitely stopped short.
Jun 21st 2015
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no, she was regarded as 0.5, or pointy as we call it
Jun 16th 2015
389
      He thought he was going to pull a fast one on us.
Jun 16th 2015
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      lol! how did i miss this
Jun 20th 2015
541
      She told me she was regarded as white. You saying she lying?
Jun 16th 2015
396
           yes,
Jun 16th 2015
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                maybe I mis-remember, maybe she lied (I doubt it), maybe she encountered
Jun 16th 2015
404
                     categorically no
Jun 16th 2015
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                          Ohh I am suppose to categorically believe you now based on your last pos...
Jun 16th 2015
480
                               believe whatever you want to believe
Jun 16th 2015
482
lol, no.
Jun 16th 2015
385
If we were to characterize "transrace" as
Jun 16th 2015
420
      no.
Jun 16th 2015
428
           Lol! Well thanks for setting me on the straight and narrow :)
Jun 16th 2015
433
           'maintains ___ ethnicity'
Jun 16th 2015
438
                In particular not Michael fucking Jackson.
Jun 16th 2015
449
                yup. very much so.
Jun 16th 2015
450
                Lol! Yall are so dramatic in here. Look,
Jun 16th 2015
473
                Alright, I see you.
Jun 16th 2015
471
                     great.
Jun 16th 2015
474
           show your work
Jun 16th 2015
435
                *pats head*
Jun 16th 2015
440
                     ric, don't accept this shit.
Jun 16th 2015
484
I've seen so many jokes this week about "trans"
Jun 16th 2015
401
LMFAO. Truth be told, there's really no end to this "self-identify
Jun 18th 2015
507
Crissle from The Read has a special message for this post:
Jun 16th 2015
406
I'm listening to it now. She's on point, as usual.
Jun 16th 2015
410
DAMN!
Jun 16th 2015
483
HUNDALASILIAH!!
Jun 16th 2015
485
Elon James White & team have a special message for this post:
Jun 16th 2015
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If I was trying to prove this was an agenda, I'd ask who first described...
Jun 16th 2015
415
Why must there even be an agenda?
Jun 16th 2015
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      I hear you. And I agree. I am just thinking out loud cause I can't deny ...
Jun 16th 2015
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      Lol, of course. I wasn't coming at you (or anyone) specifically
Jun 16th 2015
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      There doesn't have to be, but there is
Jun 16th 2015
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      Seen.
Jun 16th 2015
437
      You are wise and intelligent
Jun 16th 2015
488
      beautifully articulated. thanks for that.
Jun 16th 2015
490
Kareem talkin' bout it (TIME mag swipe)
Jun 16th 2015
446
Kareem hates the transgendered because he dared...
Jun 16th 2015
466
whatever happened to being happy with the uniform that god gave you?
Jun 16th 2015
456
we're way too self-indulgent and narcissistic for that nonsense.
Jun 16th 2015
458
Damn. et tu Nika?
Jun 16th 2015
477
      ?
Jun 16th 2015
486
absolutely.
Jun 16th 2015
460
not possible
Jun 16th 2015
469
1) everyone doesn't believe in god
Jun 16th 2015
478
      this is/was the same argument made against transsexuals/transgenders
Jun 17th 2015
499
           there's enough evidence that says transgender life is valid
Jun 17th 2015
501
                still a similar argument
Jun 18th 2015
503
I am noticing a trend on FB, my friends with the most identity issues
Jun 16th 2015
468
interesting
Jun 16th 2015
470
For me, FB has been surprisingly quiet...
Jun 16th 2015
475
LOL
Jun 16th 2015
476
'we need allies, not replacements' the daily show
Jun 16th 2015
479
and there it is.
Jun 16th 2015
487
Agreed
Jun 16th 2015
491
akon & blkprincemd: What exactly is my "agenda"?
Jun 16th 2015
489
transracial isnt a thing and never will be
Jun 17th 2015
492
We've already discussed that.
Jun 17th 2015
493
      Than the topic is closed.
Jun 17th 2015
495
you couldve just responsed under what is the agenda post
Jun 17th 2015
496
you mentioned that you 'agreed' that there was a specific agenda at play
Jun 17th 2015
497
      your motivation is very clear, your agenda... we still waiting
Jun 18th 2015
504
           you say it's 'very clear' yet you can't even say what it is.
Jun 18th 2015
508
                have the decency to leave this alone today.
Jun 18th 2015
509
                     I'm not leaving it alone - I'm actively working to combat it.
Jun 18th 2015
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                          k.
Jun 18th 2015
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                          I think we have the same friend.
Jun 18th 2015
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                               RE: I think we have the same friend.
Jun 18th 2015
515
It's pretty clear
Jun 20th 2015
562
To me it's because it's possible to be born intersex
Jun 17th 2015
500
Sandra Laing?
Jun 18th 2015
513
      Didn't she have some unknown African ancestor though?
Jun 18th 2015
516
           the assumption is that she must have
Jun 18th 2015
518
                Yeah, but in South Africa
Jun 20th 2015
566
                     japan and korea?
Jun 21st 2015
576
                          The original example yes
Jun 25th 2015
579
the difference:
Jun 17th 2015
502
Transgender is likely biologically programmed
Jun 18th 2015
517
Transgender is more likely imaginary.
Jun 18th 2015
519
      fairly condident you arent qualified to make that kind of assessment
Jun 19th 2015
521
           i've done some and it still appears pretty damn inconclusive
Jun 19th 2015
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                when you ppl have a better transrace example than Rachel D
Jun 19th 2015
524
                     MJ and Sammy Sosa?
Jun 19th 2015
529
                          MJ didn't just NOT claim white. He vehemently claimed Black.
Jun 19th 2015
533
                          nope and nope.
Jun 19th 2015
535
                               Why, in this perspective, does the claimed race identity
Jun 20th 2015
546
                               Race is not subjective.
Jun 20th 2015
554
                                    You have not resolved the logical flaws in this perspective.
Jun 20th 2015
563
                                         Michael Jackson got treated like a nigga.
Jun 20th 2015
567
                                              Some great points, but this is what you are not going to do:
Jun 21st 2015
570
                               Also, once you get into 'living as a black man' you are veering
Jun 20th 2015
549
500+ posts on a fictitious group of people and their
Jun 19th 2015
525
fictitious vs theoretical
Jun 19th 2015
526
theoretical vs. actual
Jun 19th 2015
527
      today's actual was yesterday's theoretical
Jun 19th 2015
530
           and yesterday's actual is today's okayplayer
Jun 19th 2015
531
           No.
Jun 19th 2015
532
           There have been... On TV even, but we collectively said
Jun 20th 2015
538
                Its crazy how dismissive they are on this subject
Jun 20th 2015
539
                because your phobias are peeping
Jun 20th 2015
540
                     smh, I'm not going to talk about Charelston in this thread.
Jun 20th 2015
545
                          the deflection exercises are astounding. Lot of mad & wrong posturing.
Jun 20th 2015
547
                               I would expect you to intereptet things that way.
Jun 20th 2015
552
                                    thanks for that awesome insight, Mike. Keep hiding behind an alias.
Jun 20th 2015
553
                                         Reply #555
Jun 20th 2015
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                I'm sure you think so.
Jun 20th 2015
544
           today's theoretical is not yesterday's or today's actual.
Jun 19th 2015
536
Why are there +500 posts?
Jun 20th 2015
550
      actually
Jun 20th 2015
560
i've been turning Japanese since I was 11.
Jun 19th 2015
537
my blacker than black dinka brethren put ash on their bodies
Jun 20th 2015
542
forget the reasons for the need for a black is beautiful movement
Jun 20th 2015
543
      RE: forget the reasons for the need for a black is beautiful movement
Jun 20th 2015
548
      why object now?
Jun 20th 2015
559
      Alright, so can you please propose alternative explanations for
Jun 20th 2015
558
           blah blah, white supremacy, blah blah making their appearance ideal
Jun 20th 2015
564
           Lol I specifically asked for alternative explanations NOT
Jun 21st 2015
571
           Find one who actually LIVED as a white person and you might have a point...
Jun 21st 2015
573
right? these females claim they were turning male since they were kids
Jun 20th 2015
551
Race is not a subjective experience.
Jun 20th 2015
555
that's cute.
Jun 20th 2015
565
      Evidence would prove otherwise.
Jun 20th 2015
568
video related
Jun 20th 2015
557
after this week I didn't wanna be Black no more and now I see my way out...
Jun 21st 2015
572
      These people know exactly how you feel: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qe4AZRk...
Jun 21st 2015
577
lmao.
Jun 20th 2015
561
It's been a useful thread for me.
Jun 21st 2015
569
Who are those?
Jun 21st 2015
574
Those japanese who think they are black
Jun 21st 2015
578
race is only 200 years old and is a result of cultural insecurity
Apr 14th 2019
580
One is backed by fake hebrews
Apr 14th 2019
581
They aren't ready
Apr 14th 2019
584
My ninja, aintchu eva heard of Babysteps?
Apr 15th 2019
588
One is real, has been occurring in virtually every culture and the other
Apr 14th 2019
582
That approach we wouldn't acknowledge race which is only a few
Apr 14th 2019
586
      Are you TRYING to be dumb at this point?
Apr 14th 2019
587
      The best argument I've seen, which someone made above, is that
Apr 15th 2019
590
when the police pull me over can I identify as white?
Apr 15th 2019
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