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"Looks like the Pope is riding with Kim Davis. Feelings anyone?"


  

          

LGBT Catholics Confused And Hurt By Pope's Visit With Kim Davis
Others say Kim Davis is the main person at fault.

Antonia Blumberg
Associate Religion Editor, The Huffington Post

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/pope-kim-davis-lgbt-catholics_560c3fcee4b0dd85030a720a


Pope Francis’ meeting with Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis has upset gay Catholics who call it “puzzling” amid the pontiff’s calls for a welcoming church.

The Vatican confirmed on Wednesday that the meeting between Pope Francis and Kim Davis, who made headlines in September for refusing to issue marriage licenses for gay couples, took place during the pontiff’s visit to the United States last week.

"I do not deny that the meeting took place, but I have no further comments," Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi told reporters in Rome.

Without comment from the Vatican, the only description of the meeting thus far comes from Davis, herself.

“He told me before he left, he said, ‘stay strong.’ That was a great encouragement. Just knowing that the pope is on track with what we're doing, it kind of validates everything to have someone of that stature,” Davis told ABC on Wednesday.

“I fear that this meeting and claims that the pope told Ms. Davis to ‘stand strong’ will embolden the many U.S. bishops and others who continue to try to turn back support for LGBT people,” said Marianne Duddy-Burke, executive director of LGBT Catholic group DignityUSA. “It will make even more of us feel like the pope’s message of mercy and love was not meant for LGBT people and families.”

Francis DeBernardo, executive director of New Ways Ministry, a gay Catholic organization agreed, saying in a statement that the meeting "throws a wet blanket on the good will that the pontiff had garnered during his U.S. visit last week."

But the meeting is "puzzling" for several reasons, DeBernardo continued. The pontiff steered clear of political debates during his trip to the U.S. and has in the past promoted a welcoming attitude toward gays DeBernardo noted. But the Vatican denied an invitation for a meeting between the pope and gay families during his U.S. visit, which makes the meeting with Davis all the more painful.

“Though LGBT and ally Catholics have welcomed Pope Francis’ affirming remarks, many, including myself, have also remarked that he sometimes talks out of both sides of his mouth,” DeBernardo wrote. “Moreover, while he is LGBT-positive in general ways, his remarks on specific moral and political issues are often at odds with his welcoming stance.”

Pope Francis hasn’t commented specifically about Davis’ case, but he addressed conscientious objection, the notion that someone may engage in civil disobedience based on their moral code, during an on-flight press conference en route back to Rome on Sunday. He upheld the right to object according to one’s conscience but specifically warned against construing his comments as blanket support for all cases. "I can't have in mind all cases that can exist about conscientious objection but, yes, I can say that conscientious objection is a right that is a part of every human right,” Francis said.

The pontiff did get specific about two other -- and much more widely celebrated -- conscientious objectors during his trip: Martin Luther King Jr. and Dorothy Day. As Christopher J. Hale, executive director of Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good, wrote in a statement: “Davis didn't practice moral heroism by refusing to step down as county clerk. King and Day opted out of the system they morally disagreed with. Davis still receives a paycheck from the American people.”

Aaron Jay Ledesma, a gay Catholic who was invited to the White House to help welcome Pope Francis last week, said the meeting between the pope and Davis does not in any way change his opinion of the pontiff.

“The pope met so many people on his trip to the United States, so who am I to judge who he meets,” Ledesma told HuffPost. “The meeting itself does not bother me -- if anything she probably needs it.”

What does bother him, Ledesma said, is that Kim Davis would use the meeting to push an agenda.

“She’s using her faith and her meeting with Pope Francis out of context to justify her discrimination against gay people,” he said. Ledesma said he doesn’t think the pope would approve of such discrimination, given his emphasis on love and compassion.

The extent to which Francis even knew about Davis’ case before meeting her is unclear, and many have cautioned against interpreting the meaning of the encounter without comment from the Vatican. Crux, a Catholic outlet, suggested the meeting may indicate anything between an appeal to show solidarity with conservative corners of the U.S. church and an attempt to appease bishops before renewing efforts for a more welcoming stance toward gays at the upcoming synod on the family. But for DeBernardo, such incidents sow undue confusion.

“The time for vagueness, ambiguity, and secret meetings is over,” he wrote. “Pope Francis needs to state clearly where he stands in regard to the inclusion of LGBT people in the church and society.”







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Looks like the Pope is riding with Kim Davis. Feelings anyone? [View all] , BlackSun, Wed Sep-30-15 08:00 PM
 
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Lol @ that snake shit.
Sep 30th 2015
1
been saying he's a fraud...nm
Sep 30th 2015
2
folk flocked to him like he was Jesus
Sep 30th 2015
3
i think this ruins his anti christ chances no?
Sep 30th 2015
4
      bible says folks will love him (the anti christ)
Sep 30th 2015
5
      right he'll say all the right things!
Sep 30th 2015
8
      not at all -- his existence is anti Christ
Oct 01st 2015
24
           right my response was tongue in cheek
Oct 01st 2015
100
                my bad
Oct 01st 2015
146
lol, but he was so cool...
Sep 30th 2015
6
I like how people are immediately turning on the Pope....
Sep 30th 2015
7
So the Pope stood by his faith and folks are magically mad. SMH
Oct 01st 2015
9
So who is on the wrong side with this one?
Oct 01st 2015
10
      KD for trying to use Christianity to persecute others
Oct 01st 2015
28
      Well the Bible says that We Win, it's just a matter of time.
Oct 01st 2015
124
I hate this country and our need for political binaries.
Oct 01st 2015
11
^^^This.
Oct 01st 2015
12
^ 'It's not my issue so I dont care'.
Oct 01st 2015
18
if IF was a spliff we'd all be high!!!
Oct 01st 2015
20
If Zimmerman was a devout catholic and said he did what he was
Oct 01st 2015
42
RE: If Zimmerman was a devout catholic and said he did what he was
Oct 01st 2015
46
Lol
Oct 01st 2015
50
Edit: I'm not getting sucked into this.
Oct 01st 2015
164
      ^ 'it's not my issue, so I don't care'
Oct 01st 2015
165
      I didn't defend him. I said that his actions are consistent with being
Oct 01st 2015
167
           fine if that's what you meant.
Oct 01st 2015
171
      Harry Har @ the edit.
Oct 01st 2015
166
           He can curry all the good favor he wants...the gay thing was
Oct 01st 2015
169
                word.
Oct 01st 2015
172
might have been fine
Oct 01st 2015
30
How y'all going to be mad if yall don't know the conversation?
Oct 01st 2015
13
ikr...he is the Pope after all...
Oct 01st 2015
14
do you have kids? I imagine this is the Kim Davis equivalent of DisneyLa...
Oct 01st 2015
16
Pope told her to 'stay strong' and referred to the importance of
Oct 01st 2015
17
Who said the Pope told her to stay strong? Her?
Oct 01st 2015
22
      *pats head*
Oct 01st 2015
23
           Please read the OP and Reply 19....
Oct 01st 2015
                *pats head*
Oct 01st 2015
81
                     smh....smug over nothing.
Oct 01st 2015
86
                          no, 'smh' stands for 'shaking my head'.
Oct 01st 2015
106
Its what they do.
Oct 01st 2015
41
What do you think he meant when he told her to stay strong?...
Oct 01st 2015
74
lol @ anyone caring what the pope thinks
Oct 01st 2015
15
So just screw 1.2 billion Roman Catholics in the world, huh?
Oct 01st 2015
131
      the ones in the church who see it's fallacy will depart
Oct 01st 2015
144
           Ok Prophet.
Oct 01st 2015
159
                I didn't write those words -- I'm just re-typing them,
Oct 02nd 2015
180
                     you added your own words to them
Oct 02nd 2015
210
                          I paraphrased which should be pretty obvious
Oct 05th 2015
234
confirmation of the meeting & a report on the conversation (link/swipe):
Oct 01st 2015
19
i cant wait for her 15 minutes to be up
Oct 01st 2015
21
The joke is he'll meet with Kim Davis, but Trayvon's or Mike's folks??
Oct 01st 2015
25
Trayvon and Mike were Catholics?
Oct 01st 2015
43
Kim Davis ain't Catholic either
Oct 01st 2015
47
      Oh, I thought she was catholic. I stand corrected. I don't get it then...
Oct 01st 2015
59
           why?
Oct 01st 2015
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                Because I am pretty sure I read somewhere she is catholic. but she isn'...
Oct 01st 2015
68
                     oh okay.
Oct 01st 2015
70
                     she was raised Catholic.
Oct 01st 2015
79
the joke is you agree w/ Davis that same-sex marriage is an abomination
Oct 01st 2015
78
I never placed him on a pedestal...
Oct 01st 2015
26
^^^^^
Oct 01st 2015
104
He was never a more liberal pope. Just a smarter one.
Oct 01st 2015
27
Yeah, screw you Leo XIII and Paul VI
Oct 01st 2015
34
I felt the "some" was implied. Apologies.
Oct 01st 2015
36
he is a *more* liberal pope, doesn't make him across the board liberal
Oct 01st 2015
89
^^^^people made him into what they wanted him to be
Oct 01st 2015
105
he's the pope.
Oct 01st 2015
29
yup
Oct 01st 2015
40
i don't like how it was a secret
Oct 01st 2015
31
Yup. Its like the Vatican PR firm was in full swing
Oct 01st 2015
32
lol if we only knew the other secrets within the organization
Oct 01st 2015
33
you really need to stop reading Dan Brown novels.
Oct 01st 2015
91
      Never heard of the Medici's I take it? Or Hittler?
Oct 01st 2015
140
           if they are secrets then how do you know so much about them?
Oct 02nd 2015
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                this is a fun one
Oct 05th 2015
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                     super happy fun time!
Oct 06th 2015
250
                          You're confused sir and have started with a huge 'L' to boot
Oct 06th 2015
252
There are many things that're shameful...
Oct 01st 2015
37
stands in this line, we got 24/7 media coverage of the pope in a fiat
Oct 01st 2015
38
Why does it even matter? Why did the Pope need to tell anyone?
Oct 01st 2015
129
lol, this pope has been all marketing hype from the beginning and people...
Oct 01st 2015
35
and red shoes... he has red shoes!!!
Oct 01st 2015
122
The Pope is the most conservative person on the planet - its his job
Oct 01st 2015
39
It's not the job of religious leaders to be conservative. To say that
Oct 01st 2015
44
it's the pope's job to be conservative.
Oct 01st 2015
55
My point is that it's possible to be conservative on Gay Issues and
Oct 01st 2015
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      but the pope is not, nor has he given any hint that he was.
Oct 01st 2015
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????????????????????????????
Oct 01st 2015
57
      he just makes stuff up.
Oct 01st 2015
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      You didn't repeat what I said. You said something different.
Oct 01st 2015
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           this post is about the pope.
Oct 01st 2015
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                It's not the pope's job to be conservative.
Oct 01st 2015
109
                     his job is to repeat catholic doctrine, which is all he has ever done.
Oct 01st 2015
115
RE: The Pope is the most conservative person on the planet - its his job
Oct 01st 2015
45
It's like folks expect the pope to come out and say "eff the bible", lol
Oct 01st 2015
49
      who expected the pope to support gay civil rights?
Oct 01st 2015
62
           I think it's the impression that this Pope specifically was signaling a
Oct 01st 2015
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                i've never heard of him contradicting catholic doctrine.
Oct 01st 2015
69
                     He is very vocal about things most Popes were pretty quiet about
Oct 01st 2015
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                          he has never contradicted catholic doctrine.
Oct 01st 2015
77
The political climate nowadays is insane...
Oct 01st 2015
48
who is doing this?
Oct 01st 2015
51
I'm going off of comments I've seen here as well as other "liberal" sour...
Oct 01st 2015
56
      when has this pope ever contradicted the Catholic position on gays?
Oct 01st 2015
58
Yup. It was always 'everybody'.
Oct 01st 2015
52
Thank you for your contribution
Oct 01st 2015
53
thanks for YOURS.
Oct 01st 2015
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"some people" are saying this is a "controversial" position.
Oct 01st 2015
54
      Everybody thinks this is a fair point.
Oct 01st 2015
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it's only going get worst i think
Oct 01st 2015
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      who expected the pope to be in favor civil rights for gay ppl?
Oct 01st 2015
63
           No one intelligent expects the pope to be pro gay agenda...
Oct 01st 2015
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                so ppl like it when the pope does stuff they agree with...
Oct 01st 2015
67
                     It's not simply dislike of 1 statement, it's total revocation of support
Oct 01st 2015
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                          the pope was always 100 percent against me on gay rights.
Oct 01st 2015
75
                               Then I'm not talking about you specifically then, am I?
Oct 01st 2015
83
                                    yet you said "everybody."
Oct 01st 2015
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                                         Ok
Oct 01st 2015
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                                              so, not everybody.
Oct 01st 2015
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                                                   You shouldn't turn their pedantic tactics back on them
Oct 01st 2015
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                                                        My god you guys are the most miserable people to debate with lol
Oct 01st 2015
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                                                             everybody agrees.
Oct 01st 2015
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                                                             we sure are.
Oct 01st 2015
120
                                                             to be fair, they have a right to be miserable right now...
Oct 01st 2015
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                                                             the ppl that thought the Catholic Pope was pro-gay got played.
Oct 01st 2015
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                                                             Perhaps they are projecting their own misery elsewhere
Oct 01st 2015
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                                                             he gobbled a L even engaging with them
Oct 01st 2015
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                                                             It's not you it's the Pope... LOL
Oct 01st 2015
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                                                             There's misery all up and down your reply
Oct 01st 2015
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                                                                  It is miserable to discuss with someone who focuses on semantics
Oct 01st 2015
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                                                                       it can be miserable to discuss stuff w/someone who is sloppy
Oct 01st 2015
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                                                                       << Lawyered
Oct 01st 2015
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                                                                            LOL!
Oct 01st 2015
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                                                                       Common language used to inflate the idea of proportion, yes
Oct 01st 2015
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                                                                            Thank you. I will do better next time
Oct 01st 2015
156
So whats the issue, that he met with her at all?
Oct 01st 2015
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Stay strong kinda sounds like he's riding wit her
Oct 01st 2015
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we know he didn't do that.
Oct 01st 2015
93
      Yeah. Telling her to chill doesn't warrant an in-person clandestine meet...
Oct 01st 2015
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      No. We don't know. We weren't there..
Oct 01st 2015
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           yes, we know.
Oct 01st 2015
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                To be fair, It's the pope. Head of a global church with 2.2B followers
Oct 01st 2015
139
                     i'm sure the world is filled w/things that are strange to YOU.
Oct 01st 2015
143
                          I'll wait for that apology.........
Oct 02nd 2015
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                               you won't get one.
Oct 02nd 2015
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                                    Homey you were a condescending prick who got the facts wrong. That
Oct 02nd 2015
188
                                         could you get to talk to the pope?
Oct 02nd 2015
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                                         nope.
Oct 02nd 2015
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                                              Oh then you are a poor sport with too much riding on being right
Oct 03rd 2015
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                                                   'If I knew then what I know now I wouldn't have made some of those state...
Oct 05th 2015
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                                                        Then why are you so bad at this? I mean why bother to type "If I known t...
Oct 05th 2015
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                                                             lol
Oct 05th 2015
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pope cant help her keep her job for breaking federal law
Oct 01st 2015
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she's an elected official.
Oct 01st 2015
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      she can be impeached tho
Oct 01st 2015
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           agreed. they won't.
Oct 01st 2015
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RE: Its hilarious...
Oct 01st 2015
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the meeting contradicts the Ill Puta's 'let's not be dicks about it'
Oct 01st 2015
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RE: the meeting contradicts the Ill Puta's 'let's not be dicks about it'
Oct 01st 2015
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RE: the meeting contradicts the Ill Puta's 'let's not be dicks about it'
Oct 01st 2015
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yes. it does.
Oct 01st 2015
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Gay mafia be on some Dick Cheney don't you dare talk to my enemies shit
Oct 02nd 2015
185
^ Stands in this line.
Oct 01st 2015
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I get that, what I disagree with is the notion that this make everything
Oct 01st 2015
110
      who has expressed that notion?
Oct 01st 2015
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      It's literally starts with the second post here.
Oct 01st 2015
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           that looks like someone that ALWAYS thought the pope is a fraud.
Oct 01st 2015
119
           no, that guy says he's 'been saying' the pope is a fraud.
Oct 01st 2015
125
                Yeah and he is using this as proof that everything he has done is
Oct 01st 2015
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                     no, he's not.
Oct 01st 2015
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                          The phrase you are thinking of is Distinction without a Difference
Oct 01st 2015
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                               LOL
Oct 01st 2015
142
      everything he has ever said and did is in line with cathlolic doctrine.
Oct 01st 2015
113
like most Christians he always had a hate the sin love the sinner
Oct 01st 2015
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popes gon' pope and all, but i won't lie, i hate that it was her
Oct 01st 2015
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Ditto all of that.
Oct 01st 2015
108
How you gonna hate on her and the Pope would do the same thing.
Oct 01st 2015
127
      pope is doing his job. she's not doing hers
Oct 01st 2015
141
           Yep. This basic understanding is beyond some people though.
Oct 01st 2015
148
           she's also not a conscientious objector.
Oct 01st 2015
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           Exactly
Oct 01st 2015
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           A conscientious objector? Where is that in Christianity?
Oct 01st 2015
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                Ask Pope Francis, sport.
Oct 01st 2015
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                     I'm talking about in context to her faith stance on Same Sex Marriage
Oct 01st 2015
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                          What?
Oct 01st 2015
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                               You'll catch it tomorrow.
Oct 01st 2015
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                               His retort failed after your reply, so he's trying to change tacks
Oct 01st 2015
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                                    you know?
Oct 01st 2015
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                                         Check this out
Oct 01st 2015
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           All Christians have the SAME JOB - POPE included
Oct 01st 2015
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                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qEsTXVj57M
Oct 01st 2015
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Vatican: Pope's encounter with Kentuky clerk Kim Davis not a form of sup...
Oct 02nd 2015
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Cool.
Oct 02nd 2015
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apologize ..silly niggers
Oct 02nd 2015
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for what?
Oct 02nd 2015
195
Another article; US Church beef with the pope and he got set up!
Oct 02nd 2015
181
this doesnt surprise me at all.
Oct 02nd 2015
204
I want the coworker who's been relentlessly calling Pope a dbag all week...
Oct 02nd 2015
182
your coworker is still correct.
Oct 02nd 2015
196
The Vatican is now an honest and trustworthy entity
Oct 02nd 2015
183
so the vatican embassy made sure the pope had political cover?
Oct 02nd 2015
189
      How does this confirm the Pope doesn't care about you?
Oct 02nd 2015
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           the Catholic Church, as an institution, opppses gay rights.
Oct 02nd 2015
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                But you don't know that
Oct 02nd 2015
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Hope its not a postjack, but why isn't Kim Davis' job automated by now?
Oct 02nd 2015
184
Real Talk: Why were some of y'all so quick to believe Kim D.?
Oct 02nd 2015
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The vatican gave a very 'we cannot confirm or deny' response
Oct 02nd 2015
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Fair enough but alot of people bought in without knowledge of the first
Oct 02nd 2015
190
      because it was clear the pope was on some slick shit.
Oct 02nd 2015
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      i knew that the Vatican had not denied the meeting.
Oct 02nd 2015
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how many ppl got to visit the pope?
Oct 02nd 2015
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We get it you don't like Catholicism. But Catholicism aside, that
Oct 02nd 2015
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      the fact that she saw him was enough.
Oct 02nd 2015
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           Well you are pretty alone in making no distinction between the
Oct 03rd 2015
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the Vatican hasn't denied the meeting or the language used.
Oct 02nd 2015
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      And your fool ass still believing her and lying about it.
Oct 03rd 2015
224
           My goodness you are pretty deeply invested here.
Oct 05th 2015
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                Kids were asleep and wife was out on girls night. I got the time.
Oct 05th 2015
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                     girls night. at 3:30 PM on a Saturday.
Oct 05th 2015
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                          Weird. My time stamp says 9:30pm. If that's the case kids were
Oct 05th 2015
243
Now the Vatican is like......
Oct 02nd 2015
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of course he isnt. anyone who thought otherwise was being foolish.
Oct 02nd 2015
205
      Huh? Why would they go to see someone like Kim Davis if thats the case?
Oct 03rd 2015
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Perhaps we (including me) were too quick to judge. (SWIPE)
Oct 02nd 2015
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It depends if people were waiting on facts to form an opinion on this is...
Oct 02nd 2015
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It's turning into #popegate. Only in America.
Oct 02nd 2015
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Yeah.
Oct 03rd 2015
220
Some people outta pocket with their expectations
Oct 02nd 2015
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Some people will be, I don't know how big a problem that is
Oct 02nd 2015
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So basically.....
Oct 02nd 2015
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That's the cleanup story, so that everyone can feel better
Oct 02nd 2015
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lol just say you wish he was more like you and be done with it
Oct 03rd 2015
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Dude supporting K Davis goes against everything this Pope
Oct 03rd 2015
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and not only that -
Oct 03rd 2015
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Didn't he also meet with a same sex couple?
Oct 03rd 2015
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Yes
Oct 03rd 2015
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No he didn't (c) people in this post with agendas.
Oct 04th 2015
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      Right LOL
Oct 06th 2015
253
Gotta hear both sides
Oct 04th 2015
227
Pope expected to fire Archbishop who set up the meet (swipe)
Oct 04th 2015
228
read that this morning
Oct 05th 2015
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thats as far as i could get
Oct 06th 2015
251
*Files nails*
Oct 05th 2015
232
Vi-Gone-O
Oct 05th 2015
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Pope cool again
Oct 05th 2015
235
but if you molest a child you keep your position?
Oct 05th 2015
241
Hold-up, I thought she "ambushed" the pope?
Oct 05th 2015
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      RE: Hold-up, I thought she &quot;ambushed&quot; the pope?
Oct 05th 2015
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      I'm just LOL'in at the comment above about her ambushing the Pope
Oct 05th 2015
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      RE: I'm just LOL'in at the comment above about her ambushing the Pope
Oct 05th 2015
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      Yeah, people will read into this what they will
Oct 05th 2015
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      Yes, people hold different perspectives on a controversial event
Oct 05th 2015
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in an ideal world this old, crusty, white catholic would have no
Oct 05th 2015
246
Nice article on the Liberty Counsel
Oct 06th 2015
254
Great article
Oct 06th 2015
255
This whole thing is like a "Where's Waldo" picture
Oct 06th 2015
256
that's a great analogy, case
Oct 06th 2015
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