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"Anyone wanna talk the politics of sci-fi"


  

          

So I've long been a lover of bookstores. I love to go in, and browse the sci-fi section until some cheap paperback catches my eye. Sometimes I have authors or titles in mind that I might be looking for, but more often than not it'll just be a random choice, no real rhume or reason other than my general interests and how they are peaked by the back of the book and maybe the first couple of pages.

No research, no amazon reviews, no forum look ups. Just purchase based off of what's in front of me. This is actually how I came up on books, and I love the activity like digging for records. So long as there are bookstores left (unfortunately less and less) I'll do it this way. Fuck a Kindle (I actually own one but it's for the kids) or nook. Give me a $7.99 paperback anyday.

Okay, so earlier last week I did this and picked up this book "The Hermetic Millenium" read the back and I'm like yeah I can fucks with this. Realize it's second in a series, perfect. Grab the first book "Count to a Trillion" and start reading. I'm all in.

So in between chapters I start searching for the author trying to see what else he's done. Amazon has a nice list. Then I google search. Google's auto fill does "John C Wright bigot" awe fuck me!!

https://www.google.com/search?q=john+c+wright+bigot

So yeah now I'm trying to rationalize all this bullshit about why I should just keep reading anyway. Real talk I do like it, a lot. But fuck this dude fa real. I should probably stop reading cause no matter how good it is, there is little doubt at some point his questionable shit will become apparent in the writing and taint the whole thing.

So this got me thinking about all the questionable shit I've probably given passes for in the past because there was no internet yadda yadda yadda. And that led to thinking about how politically divided sci fi is in general. Like I'd be willing to say the greater majority of sci-fi writers are probably on the conservative right. I'm really into hard sf so it's really apparent there. Tons of military conservatism. But then there are the liberal niche's. Like 'afrofuturist' sci fi is without a doubt left leaning, but subsequently generally thought of as outside of the canon. How often is Octavia named amongst the greats in general SF circles. Delany but I think there's an exception because he came in the door guns blazing the hard sf-like ish out the door. He tackled pretty much every type of sf possible so it's undeniable.

Then you get things like cyberpunk which in some regards were liberal, and yet there was an impotence to that movement in the long run forcing folk like Neal Stephenson to start doing WWII tie ins and shit.

All to start a convo on how the politics of sci fi are some interesting shit, especially when you consider that despite what folk may think, these fantasies do have direct impacts on the charts of humanity into the future.

Talk to me.

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Anyone wanna talk the politics of sci-fi [View all] , imcvspl, Sat Sep-06-14 06:18 PM
 
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Just discovered this about a 2014 Hugo nominee
May 25th 2014
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Holy fuck man the fuck is going on here
May 25th 2014
3
      here's the context
May 25th 2014
8
      fock @ obvious historical reason
May 28th 2014
39
yeah nothing is objective
May 25th 2014
2
yup.. ruined O.S.Card for me.
May 25th 2014
4
He was the first one I thought of when I read OP's post.
May 25th 2014
7
I haven't read Enders Game
May 27th 2014
34
      Ender's Game is only sort of like that.
Sep 21st 2015
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I try and appreciate it for what it is
May 25th 2014
5
I read Ender's Game early and enjoyed
May 25th 2014
6
i think ender's game just shows how important time/process is
May 25th 2014
11
      Speaker For The Dead was and is an absolutely amazing book
May 27th 2014
37
I watched Ender's Game and it was pretty good, but flicks like that
Sep 13th 2015
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I just keep finding more shit
May 25th 2014
9
i did read those and that's not surprising
May 25th 2014
10
would you recommend the books? the author?
May 25th 2014
12
      RE: would you recommend the books? the author?
May 25th 2014
13
           *shakes fist at these liu cixin joints being kindle only*
May 27th 2014
36
                yeah its a shame....taking care of gods is also really good
Jun 02nd 2014
54
                     oh yeah I did find out about Cixin from this post... THANKS!!
Dec 08th 2014
133
RE: Anyone wanna talk the politics of sci-fi
May 25th 2014
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RE: Anyone wanna talk the politics of sci-fi
May 27th 2014
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      RE: Anyone wanna talk the politics of sci-fi
May 27th 2014
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           ionno
May 27th 2014
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                RE: ionno
May 27th 2014
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                     LOL!!
May 27th 2014
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                     Haha. You kinda nailed it though here
May 28th 2014
43
                     RE: LOL
May 27th 2014
30
Ah, I misunderstood the initital post.
May 27th 2014
17
Excellent post. I will try to be succint.
May 27th 2014
18
What's Jimisin's best?
May 27th 2014
21
The Inheritance Trilogy
May 27th 2014
27
      sounds dope. thanks
May 27th 2014
29
      I swear none of the bookstores around me carry Jemison
Jan 20th 2015
144
one reason i really enjoy robert jordan
May 28th 2014
40
      just copped some Conan stories by this dude. nm
May 28th 2014
44
welcome to the club
May 27th 2014
19
this would be really interesting
May 27th 2014
26
      it would
May 28th 2014
46
i heard a radio piece abt how independant book sellers are actually
May 27th 2014
22
I've heard of and seen articles about a bunch of em
May 27th 2014
24
      Books of Wonder is DOPE.
May 27th 2014
28
           If they figured out the cafe I'd never leave
May 27th 2014
31
wow. a rabbit hole im disappointed to have turned down
May 27th 2014
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#MAKEBLKSCIFI <-----
May 27th 2014
33
Related
May 27th 2014
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#libertarian
May 28th 2014
42
      no doubt. this is great topic. hope we keep cooking in here
May 28th 2014
50
i used to read a lot of Larry Niven when i was young. don't fux
May 27th 2014
38
I was reading a bunch of those guys
May 28th 2014
45
fuck Niven
Jun 04th 2014
70
Diversity Issues Plague BEA (link)
May 28th 2014
41
In retrospect, I think I was trying to counter this with 50YFN
May 28th 2014
47
Definitely
May 28th 2014
48
So how do we counter this
May 28th 2014
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shame publishers?
Jun 02nd 2014
52
I'm thinking more subversive...
Jun 02nd 2014
53
Gotta take back some of this...
Jun 21st 2014
83
Lol smh
Jun 18th 2015
220
article
Jun 26th 2014
87
      Good piece addressing the institutional racism at work
Jun 28th 2014
90
Incidentally Nebula nominated its first self pub'd title this year
Jun 03rd 2014
62
write better fantasy/scifi that doesn't involve racist and
Jun 09th 2014
77
Yesterday's bookstore visit
May 29th 2014
51
I enjoyed Ancillary Justice but not for the PC reasons
Jun 21st 2014
82
      LOL I take it all back
Oct 12th 2014
111
           Author on using 'she' as a pronoun throughout books
Oct 22nd 2014
112
Childhood's End Arthur C. Clarke wanna see a FANTASTIC
Jun 03rd 2014
55
One of my favorite books
Jun 03rd 2014
57
oh, u read it? good ((everyone else note SPOILER ahead))
Jun 04th 2014
71
this was actually my first science fiction book
Jun 03rd 2014
61
SyFy apparently has a miniseries based on this in the works
Feb 01st 2015
150
Didn't realize Clarke was gay
Feb 13th 2015
169
"Why Isnt Everyone Reading NK Jemisin?" (swipe)
Jun 03rd 2014
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It's funny because
Jun 03rd 2014
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or Karen Lord! Both of them are fantastic.
Jun 03rd 2014
66
I've had "The Best of All Possible Worlds" on my list for a grip
Jun 04th 2014
68
      She is definitely a world builder like Jemisin. Details Details!!!
Jun 06th 2014
73
           Picked up "Galaxy Games" this weekend and I'm all in
Jan 20th 2015
145
                Galaxy Games was a great read.
Feb 01st 2015
149
Okay so I read Inheritance Trilogy Omnibus
May 03rd 2015
215
Anybody read Karen Miller's "Godspeaker" trilogy?
Jun 03rd 2014
59
Damn that's fucked up!!
Jun 03rd 2014
60
lmBao. i'd throw the 2nd book away and pretend it never
Jun 03rd 2014
63
      I stopped reading at first, but then
Jun 03rd 2014
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           doing the amazon rating math
Jun 03rd 2014
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                Damn. n/m
Jun 03rd 2014
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                waooow. so, basically a dressed up version of youtube / yahoo
Jun 06th 2014
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                     this story needs to be written
Jun 09th 2014
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                          RE: this story needs to be written
Jun 10th 2014
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                          i was telling this to 2 of my sons. they were liking the idea also.
Jun 10th 2014
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                               dope
Jun 10th 2014
81
                               Please Do!
Jun 23rd 2014
85
Tor editor fired for sexual harrassment volunteers at con where it happe...
Jun 04th 2014
69
Christopher Priest going off on the Arthur C. Clarke Award 2012
Jun 06th 2014
72
Technology - The Next Political frontier
Jun 09th 2014
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you're not rambling at all
Jun 10th 2014
78
Anyone writing?
Jun 21st 2014
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yes but I dont write sci-fi
Jun 26th 2014
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bookmark
Jun 23rd 2014
86
A few books:
Jun 26th 2014
89
Ytasha's book
Jun 28th 2014
91
Including the features without attesting to the cultures
Jul 06th 2014
92
I have it on the list
Jul 16th 2014
94
Writing the opposite sex
Jul 16th 2014
93
did you ever feel
Jul 16th 2014
95
      I understood it from the jump
Jul 16th 2014
96
      got ya, and yeah we disagree
Jul 16th 2014
100
           highest is subjective
Jul 17th 2014
102
      I was doing it
Jul 16th 2014
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           I probably should have explained
Jul 28th 2014
103
So I just finished Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead
Jul 16th 2014
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here
Jul 16th 2014
99
      wow
Jul 16th 2014
101
           yeah. there's a chasm of disconnect between those earlier
Aug 26th 2014
107
On: the elephant in the Lovecraftian room
Aug 25th 2014
104
another link
Aug 25th 2014
105
Holy shit. WOW.
Sep 01st 2015
230
Oh this Older vs Joshi beef is rich
Aug 25th 2014
106
i think talking about Lovecraft's actual words is important tho
Sep 06th 2014
108
      Absolutely
Sep 06th 2014
109
           it's not that i disagree
Sep 06th 2014
110
                in the same regard, the fact that Lovecraft was racist
Oct 23rd 2014
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                kinda got lost in this argument
Nov 06th 2014
116
                     pretty much, the end
Nov 06th 2014
118
                     Then Joshi should have started his argument there
Nov 07th 2014
120
Karen Lord sits next to Lovecraft on bookstore shelves
Nov 30th 2014
126
Tor.com blog series rereading lovecroft
Feb 19th 2015
173
J Bouie wrote that Marvel's Civil War storyline was Far-Right Paranoid
Oct 23rd 2014
114
Slavery in the future/on other planets
Nov 06th 2014
115
I think it makes a lot of sense
Nov 06th 2014
117
I question this
Nov 07th 2014
119
      Yeah I'd agree with that
Nov 30th 2014
127
Harry Potter
Nov 28th 2014
121
      Still stuck on this... I want to blame Rowling
Dec 08th 2014
134
Besides the obvious in this Amazon best of 2014 list
Nov 28th 2014
122
Monstro - Junot Diaz
Nov 29th 2014
123
Thanks for this
Nov 30th 2014
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      RE:
Nov 30th 2014
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           RE:
Nov 30th 2014
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                RE:
Dec 01st 2014
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                     RE:
Dec 01st 2014
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William Gibson interview
Dec 01st 2014
130
"The Three Body Problem" Cixin Liu
Dec 08th 2014
132
Thinking on the author canon as discussed above re Lovecraft
Dec 08th 2014
135
what's interesting to me is
Dec 29th 2014
138
Came across this piece and remembered this post.
Dec 24th 2014
136
yeah leguin is tied for my favorite writer all time
Dec 29th 2014
139
love her
Jan 14th 2015
141
wow. book game dirty like the rap game. this paragraph:
Feb 04th 2015
153
on: self pub in 2015
Dec 29th 2014
137
Stop waiting on the right sign and do it.
Jan 14th 2015
142
      it's happening... stay tuned.
Jan 14th 2015
143
a sci-fi project/anthology called "Hieroglyph"
Jan 13th 2015
140
More fun with Amazon reviews
Jan 20th 2015
146
I found this review interesting
Feb 01st 2015
147
Rush Limbaugh is writing time travel fantasy, Glen Beck post-apocalyptic...
Feb 01st 2015
148
Some quotes on hard sf from a review i just read
Feb 04th 2015
151
What is the name of that story where everyone is forced to be equal?
Feb 04th 2015
152
Harrison Bergeron by Vonnegut
Feb 05th 2015
154
      Yes! I always thought it was racist as hell.
Feb 09th 2015
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Back on that (W)right
Feb 06th 2015
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addendum
Feb 06th 2015
156
Ayo... this shit is an all out war that ain't dying
Feb 09th 2015
157
Sad Puppies - Campaign to 'right' SF
Feb 11th 2015
159
      Holy shit at the 'unreliable field' theory
Feb 11th 2015
160
      "the books marked science fiction are not
Feb 11th 2015
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           O_O
Feb 11th 2015
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           There's a war going on...
Feb 11th 2015
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           want to know how real shit is... peep the comments
Feb 12th 2015
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           it is unsurprisingly scary that there are motherfuckers who
Feb 12th 2015
165
           scary as fuck
Feb 13th 2015
168
           mmmmmm... "reverse bigotry"
Feb 20th 2015
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                some of my best friends...
Feb 26th 2015
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      They are claiming a MAJOR VICTORY
Apr 05th 2015
211
Yo Jemisin bodied a whole fucking genre in a review
Feb 12th 2015
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hot link! thanks for pointing this out n/m
Feb 13th 2015
167
Love it. n/m
Feb 14th 2015
171
lover her but wheres the link?
Feb 20th 2015
177
Nice quote on fantasy and natural law
Feb 14th 2015
170
shots fired at your liberal arts/soft science degrees
Feb 17th 2015
172
og star trek writer bodies this cat
Feb 20th 2015
181
listening to this 'cast make me not wanting white women...
Feb 19th 2015
174
Nebula finalists are in
Feb 20th 2015
175
ah thanks
Feb 20th 2015
176
no problem... be sure to check the stuff under post #157
Feb 20th 2015
178
      holy crap! Thnx
Mar 08th 2015
195
PoC got 50% of the novelette nominees (links to the stories)
Feb 20th 2015
179
Yo if Cixin Liu wins...
Mar 08th 2015
194
      Oh thanks!
Mar 08th 2015
196
Malinda Lo goes in on reviewers perceptions of diversity
Feb 22nd 2015
182
Charles Stross lays down a fucking gauntlet
Feb 25th 2015
183
more Jemisin on race in Dragon Age
Feb 25th 2015
184
Curious if you read Hyperion by Dan Simmons
Feb 26th 2015
186
Nope, and I won't (random google fodder)
Feb 26th 2015
187
      Dude, how could you NOT want to read this?
Feb 27th 2015
188
      Hyperion is a good read
Jun 23rd 2015
221
      ghostwritten by Glenn Beck
Sep 12th 2015
233
Alaya Dawn Johnson on diversity
Mar 02nd 2015
189
On the "L" word
Mar 03rd 2015
190
related - "Defining Science-Fiction" (link)
Mar 05th 2015
192
I've had a dislike for the word
Mar 08th 2015
197
for me, the only reason I care for the distinction is because
Mar 09th 2015
200
Was on the radio last week talkiing about Octavia and Blk Sci-Fi:
Mar 03rd 2015
191
http://octaviasbrood.com/
Mar 09th 2015
198
      with that said why is the book in 'anarchism' on amazon?
Mar 09th 2015
199
this shit is a hillarious anecdote
Mar 05th 2015
193
Time has a good think piece on what sci-fi gets wrong (asimov herbert)
Mar 10th 2015
201
did the author not read Dune?
Mar 20th 2015
206
The Great Internet Debate Over Not Reading White Men
Mar 12th 2015
202
Nnedi Okorafor & Sofia Somotar talkin'
Mar 17th 2015
203
Good read
Mar 20th 2015
205
it's interesting because they made me reconsider
Mar 20th 2015
207
      i think culture is the key here
Mar 20th 2015
209
awesome thanks
Mar 20th 2015
210
NPR Top 100 SF/Fantasy List
Mar 20th 2015
204
Interesting piece on the Cyberpunk of now (link)
Mar 20th 2015
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Nnedi Okorafor: Why I dumped science for creative writing
Apr 05th 2015
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Octavia's Brood @ Red Emma's Bookstore in Baltimore, Maryland
Apr 08th 2015
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Google Hugo awards sad puppies
Apr 09th 2015
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RE: Google Hugo awards sad puppies
Jun 18th 2015
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Is Kindred Science Fiction?
May 03rd 2015
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absolutely
Jun 02nd 2015
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Kindred is speculative fantasy....
Jun 02nd 2015
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Of course there's a Charleston link
Jun 28th 2015
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I can't watch Defiance anymore. All the shit that annoyed me
Jun 28th 2015
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So I'm watching the live stream of the hugo awards
Aug 22nd 2015
224
Cixin Liu won Best Novel
Aug 23rd 2015
225
      Three Body Problem won!?!?!
Aug 23rd 2015
226
Yoo, I just learned all about this Puppy Biz
Aug 24th 2015
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I think that there is this push to make the genre more "literary"
Aug 24th 2015
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No, its absolute horseshit
Aug 24th 2015
229
In some regard I think it's a matter of what's popular in the genre
Sep 15th 2015
237
up, i need more of this! ;)
Sep 12th 2015
231
David Anthony Durham ',Acacia Trilogy'
Sep 12th 2015
232
ferguson, speculative fiction and afro-futurism conference going on at p...
Sep 14th 2015
235
Nettrice is on a panel right now.
Sep 14th 2015
236
Was wondering whether to make a new post or just keep this one going
Sep 15th 2015
238
Anyone read Liminal People?
Sep 18th 2015
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Cixin Liu's "The Dark Forest"
Sep 20th 2015
240
Whites writing ethnics
Oct 14th 2015
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Sci-fi /.fantasy and historical memory
Oct 14th 2015
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RE: Nothing to add, but this post is exactly what I needed this AM.
Oct 15th 2015
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Will be on KPFK Pacifica talking about my book, Afrofuturism, etc
Oct 21st 2015
245
don't think that's the link anymore chief
Oct 26th 2015
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      That was the link that day to listen live:
Oct 27th 2015
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Is it racial (not racist)
Oct 26th 2015
246
No more Lovecraft
Nov 11th 2015
249
Holocaust denier makes bust for new Lovecraft award
Nov 15th 2015
251
Utopia... does it mean anything to you?
Nov 12th 2015
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