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"did God rape Mary?"


  

          

so...God sent an angel to TELL Mary that she was going to give birth to God's son. Gabriel, the angel, didn't ASK Mary anything. she was told. considering she was a young woman or maybe even a girl...and God was a deity. w/all power in His hands and all that jazz. Alpha/Omega...you know the deal. what if she'd said 'no'? what would've happened to her? we know how God was at that point - He was still very Old Testament. he was into smiting ppl who disobeyed. and there was no salvation via Jesus - yet.

given the power differential did Mary give meaningful consent to this whole thing? isn't this at least as bad as what happens when a young girl has sex w/a teacher? i know God wasn't her teacher exactly - He considers Himself her 'father'. so...this is at least somewhat incestuous. we can ask Soon-Yi and Woody about it...we call that rape too. or molestation. either way we don't celebrate it.

i think maybe she was raped.

Luke 1:26-38

26 In the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, 27 to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. And the virgin's name was Mary. 28 And he came to her and said, "Greetings, O favored one, the Lord is with you!" 29 But she was greatly troubled at the saying, and tried to discern what sort of greeting this might be. 30 And the angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. 32 He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, 33 and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end." 34 And Mary said to the angel, "How will this be, since I am a virgin?" 35 And the angel answered her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God. 36 And behold, your relative Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son, and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren. 37 For nothing will be impossible with God." 38 And Mary said, "Behold, I am the servant of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her.

fuck you.

  

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did God rape Mary? [View all] , SoWhat, Wed Dec-23-15 09:47 AM
 
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No, because God is inherently good and all of His actions are
Dec 23rd 2015
1
Stockholm much? The God of the bible is a genocidal maniac
Dec 23rd 2015
18
The Bible states again and again that God is inherently good.
Dec 23rd 2015
21
      outside of Xtian thought...is that rape?
Dec 23rd 2015
36
Road to rape is paved with good intention.
Dec 23rd 2015
19
But this wasn't no ordinary man. (c) Bushwick Bill
Dec 23rd 2015
22
      Right. So she couldn't give meaningful consent.
Dec 23rd 2015
24
           Rape is sinful and the God of thd Bible cannot sin, so no.
Dec 23rd 2015
26
                the rapist wrote the Bible though. Lol
Dec 23rd 2015
29
                     Oh, ok.
Dec 23rd 2015
30
                          what happens if she says 'no'?
Dec 23rd 2015
35
                               Within Christian thought, it wouldn't be rape.
Dec 23rd 2015
46
                                    i think so too.
Dec 23rd 2015
48
Nothing is inheritely good if it does bad things
Dec 23rd 2015
74
RE: did God rape Mary?
Dec 23rd 2015
2
i'm torn between this premise being lawyer-like or something an atheist ...
Dec 23rd 2015
3
don't think that has to be a one or the other deal
Dec 23rd 2015
7
verse 38 is consent
Dec 23rd 2015
4
is it meaningful consent though?
Dec 23rd 2015
37
      not to mention the bible was written
Dec 23rd 2015
72
      you know?
Dec 23rd 2015
75
           there are so many reason why the bible is problematic
Dec 23rd 2015
83
      woulda named him Rock & Roll??
Dec 23rd 2015
93
there was no sex or sexual contact.
Dec 23rd 2015
5
lmao... awesome analogy
Dec 23rd 2015
6
And yet she was impregnated. Without meaningful consent.
Dec 23rd 2015
25
Naw, she was a Nazareth bike that struck lucky.
Dec 23rd 2015
8
This is a perfect example of when folks don't read/understand the Bible...
Dec 23rd 2015
9
you coulda used this opportunity to inform, bruh...
Dec 23rd 2015
10
The title and premise is click-bait-ish... so I get some of the emotion
Dec 23rd 2015
15
Big Kuntry has a good point
Dec 23rd 2015
91
This was a clear Bait Post.
Dec 23rd 2015
33
Rather than pearl-clutch, it's more constructive to answer
Dec 23rd 2015
11
lmao... yall are funny
Dec 23rd 2015
13
It's clear that he got this Bait Post Q from the Christmas Song Post
Dec 23rd 2015
34
yes, this question flows from my response in that post.
Dec 23rd 2015
47
You and him have both been here forever and you've both debated
Dec 23rd 2015
50
I'm certainly glad "bait question" wasn't a stock Jesus response
Dec 23rd 2015
78
You're right. Faith is about not asking questions.
Dec 23rd 2015
14
Oh Jesus fuckin Christ .
Dec 23rd 2015
20
Oh sure.
Dec 23rd 2015
27
Keep it real with yourself. You weren't trying to learn anything
Dec 23rd 2015
39
      i asked a question - did God rape Mary?
Dec 23rd 2015
41
           Dude, your'e a very smart person. So, don't play dimwitted
Dec 23rd 2015
42
                yes, i just wrote out what i'm doing.
Dec 23rd 2015
44
why not offer an actual explanation rather than indignation?
Dec 23rd 2015
60
Your point about not reading is spot on
Dec 24th 2015
139
and you said you didnt get the appeal of Opie and Andy
Dec 23rd 2015
12
lol
Dec 23rd 2015
28
RE: did God rape Mary?
Dec 23rd 2015
16
What are you referring to?
Dec 23rd 2015
58
      RE: What are you referring to?
Dec 23rd 2015
62
           Ausar, Auset and Heru, actually
Dec 24th 2015
136
                RE: Ausar, Auset and Heru, actually
Dec 24th 2015
148
Joseph was definitely cuckolded
Dec 23rd 2015
17
for sure.
Dec 23rd 2015
38
'(Based) God you can fuck my bitch' - Joey
Dec 23rd 2015
23
i would've called Maury.
Dec 23rd 2015
43
The bible is filled from beginning to end ...
Dec 23rd 2015
31
thank u
Dec 23rd 2015
32
this is part of my point.
Dec 23rd 2015
40
remember how he asked Jonah if he wanted to get in that whale?
Dec 23rd 2015
49
I just had a conversation yesterday about the ethics of the Origin Story
Dec 23rd 2015
45
back in Sunday School when i was a teen i posed a question
Dec 23rd 2015
51
      My guess: it probably happened more than we realize and they
Dec 23rd 2015
52
      yeah but it couldn't have been easy.
Dec 23rd 2015
54
      maybe she wasn't showing, and J 'came early'
Dec 23rd 2015
53
      that's right! i forgot about the Catholics and the eternal virginity th...
Dec 23rd 2015
55
      try explaining it to kids sometime
Dec 23rd 2015
56
           LOL!
Dec 23rd 2015
57
                I remember sitting in the class
Dec 23rd 2015
70
      you know the annunciation is exactly 9 months before xmas, though
Dec 23rd 2015
64
      You make a good point here
Dec 24th 2015
140
Zeus was pretty rapey. The Christian God? Meh, needle dick maybe?
Dec 23rd 2015
59
zeus was such a weird dude
Dec 23rd 2015
61
lol i missed this one, but yeah
Dec 23rd 2015
65
Zeus was gettin' his
Dec 24th 2015
141
I'm more disturbed by Leda and the Swan
Dec 23rd 2015
63
right??
Dec 23rd 2015
68
That was his creation. He could mod her up if he wanted.
Dec 23rd 2015
66
I think he "covered" her, like animals are "covered" when inseminated th...
Dec 23rd 2015
67
her body her choice.
Dec 23rd 2015
69
      Immaculate Conceneption was actually Mary's conception, I think
Dec 23rd 2015
71
      maybe to some Catholics and div school students.
Dec 23rd 2015
73
      well uh it doesn't make sense on the calendar
Dec 23rd 2015
76
           was Mary conceived on December 8?
Dec 23rd 2015
77
                yes she was :-)
Dec 23rd 2015
82
                     right on.
Dec 23rd 2015
85
                     May as well be 1950 - funnest use of papal infallibility ever?
Dec 23rd 2015
114
      this is correct
Dec 23rd 2015
90
      Yeah it does read like a messed up story
Dec 23rd 2015
111
No. God knew her heart.
Dec 23rd 2015
79
that's a pretty bold justification but makes the most sense i guess
Dec 23rd 2015
81
given the power differential
Dec 23rd 2015
86
Free will.
Dec 23rd 2015
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      Plenty young girls have sex with powerful adult of their own 'will'.
Dec 23rd 2015
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      RE: Plenty young girls have sex with powerful adult of their own 'will'.
Dec 23rd 2015
108
           Sure.
Dec 23rd 2015
109
           k.
Dec 23rd 2015
118
           </post>
Dec 24th 2015
134
      Plenty young girls have sex with powerful men of their own 'will'.
Dec 23rd 2015
100
So God just gets to skate on that Robin Thicke?
Dec 24th 2015
135
R Kelly the God (c) that crazy guy
Dec 23rd 2015
80
God: 'Have a baby by me baby. Be a notre dame'
Dec 23rd 2015
84
lol
Dec 23rd 2015
87
there's no way you seriously thought this
Dec 23rd 2015
89
RE: there's no way you seriously thought this
Dec 23rd 2015
92
my point is I dont feel it was a genuine question of curiosity
Dec 23rd 2015
95
      RE: my point is I dont feel it was a genuine question of curiosity
Dec 23rd 2015
99
           good point. The Pharasees were trolling hard there
Dec 23rd 2015
116
It came up as I responded to the Bad Xmas Songs post.
Dec 23rd 2015
96
      and 3/4 of this post is honest legit discussion
Dec 24th 2015
143
           Don't be fooled
Dec 27th 2015
160
honestly there is no way of knowing this
Dec 23rd 2015
94
You WILL.
Dec 23rd 2015
102
      Yeah, but you WILL still means not yet.
Dec 23rd 2015
119
           maybe.
Dec 23rd 2015
124
typa question a nigga who hates christmas cards would ask
Dec 23rd 2015
97
Only on THIS site would this conversation occur
Dec 23rd 2015
101
I almost posted it on FB
Dec 23rd 2015
103
Luke 1:38 is consent and the Magnificat is downright enthusiasm
Dec 23rd 2015
104
She was impregnated and unable to consent.
Dec 23rd 2015
105
      Since God is outside of time, God wasn't hijacking - just informing
Dec 23rd 2015
106
           Not requesting - informing.
Dec 23rd 2015
107
                I was going to say that she had a choice by NOT being so holy
Dec 23rd 2015
110
                     Lol
Dec 23rd 2015
113
                          And maybe creepier by trying to make it less rapey
Dec 23rd 2015
117
                               lol
Dec 23rd 2015
121
RE: did God rape Mary?
Dec 23rd 2015
112
*daps*
Dec 23rd 2015
115
      RE: *daps*
Dec 23rd 2015
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           word up.
Dec 23rd 2015
123
                Bruh, I'm African & brought this up as a kid. Shyt, almost got me stoned...
Dec 23rd 2015
131
Here's what I think, SoWhat...
Dec 23rd 2015
122
great.
Dec 23rd 2015
125
      RE: great.
Dec 23rd 2015
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           ok.
Dec 23rd 2015
127
Reread it with Gabriel used as a symbolism
Dec 23rd 2015
128
well, she *was* under the age of consent
Dec 23rd 2015
129
No, he just molested her but only in sprit - Corinthians 2:16
Dec 23rd 2015
130
'Merry Christmas, Charlie Brown!'
Dec 23rd 2015
132
I initially had a Caseone reaction.
Dec 24th 2015
133
He got mind-control over these hoes.
Dec 24th 2015
137
I'm just gonna drop 1 John 3:8 and let it cook for the thinking person
Dec 24th 2015
138
It's not that deep, you went ad hominem. That's the easy route.
Dec 24th 2015
142
      If you got that then you missed the point, meaning, and insight.
Dec 24th 2015
144
           RE: If you got that then you missed the point, meaning, and insight.
Dec 24th 2015
145
                I hope that you receive the gift of happiness this year.
Dec 24th 2015
147
                     fuck you.
Dec 25th 2015
149
                          Maybe next year.
Dec 26th 2015
153
                               LOL
Dec 26th 2015
154
                               lmao
Dec 26th 2015
159
                               Maybe next year you'll explain #307.
Dec 27th 2015
161
                                    You must have gotten a lump of Coal.
Dec 27th 2015
163
                                         ...and yet...still no explanation of 307
Dec 27th 2015
164
one glaring thing being overlooked from the OP
Dec 24th 2015
146
No because it is quite obvious
Dec 25th 2015
150
If this was a deity from any other culture..
Dec 26th 2015
151
Mary didn't conceive Jesus until AFTER
Dec 26th 2015
152
      She was 14, hence rape
Dec 26th 2015
155
           the world was created in 7 days in
Dec 26th 2015
156
           Don't we have to know the age of consent there at the time?
Dec 27th 2015
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Nope
Dec 26th 2015
157
annnnnnd here we go
Dec 26th 2015
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