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wait, transrace is a thing now? |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 1
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) the concept has been here for quite some time. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 2
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) are we talking passing? or one drop? |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 10
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Just as with gender identity, there isn't one answer. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 14
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) and im not looking for one answer |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 41
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) White folks & Asians been trans-racial since the birth of hip-hop |
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Apr 14th 2019 | 585
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I've been trying to grapple with this for a while now |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 3
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: I've been trying to grapple with this for a while now |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 4
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) but see then you're making race about genetics. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 7
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) so race is more about history than one's actual ethnic makeup? |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 8
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I wonder..... |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 12
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) What is an "actual ethnic make up" if not an expression of history? |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 13
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Certainly, history is integral to identity. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 22
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) No, because sexuality doesn't function the way race does. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 28
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) So.... |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 29
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I'm a part of the race is a social construct crowd. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 34
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) hmmmm |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 37
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Actually two black people can have an asian baby |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 284
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Actually no they can't. |
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Jun 18th 2015 | 512
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) This still minimizes male privilege and patriarchy |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 40
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Yep. You're right on all counts here. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 44
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) ok, this is a good articulation |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 23
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) true. that's a part of it that i still haven't quite be able to reconcil... |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 31
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Because race is an expression of privilege... |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 5
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Male privilege doesn't exist in a top-down patriarchal structure? |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 6
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) A white woman is still more privileged that a blk man |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 19
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) ^^^^^ |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 32
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) not entirely true. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 59
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Trans-racial is just as non exist an as post black |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 65
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) depends on what somebody means by "trans-racial" |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 72
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Post racial doesn't mean racism is over |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 78
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Post racial doesn't mean racism is over |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 80
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Post racial doesn't mean racism is over |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 137
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) we will have to agree to disagree on a number of issues |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 154
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Race and gender are two separate things. |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 178
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) for sure, but what distinguishes them from each other as "trans" theorie... |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 180
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) male privilege is fake now? |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 9
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Well stated. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 11
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Not really. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 16
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) and they'd be wrong, but we have evidence of the contrary. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 18
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) what evidence is this? |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 235
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) i reject in totality that Black ppl are "below" anybody |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 15
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) what are we able to take from them? |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 38
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) . |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 17
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Iin a lot of ways, "transracial" is an extreme expression of white privi... |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 33
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Agreed. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 35
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) this^^^ |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 42
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) PREACH |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 45
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I mean, I guess. But what about all the B/black people who |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 47
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Most black ppl who have passed or do passed ARE part white... |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 278
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) so you're invalidating the whole concept based on one scenario? |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 62
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) You say that in contrast to how a transgendered woman is treated? |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 73
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) that same trans woman will also likely be taking hormone treatments |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 124
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) #actually |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 142
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) High kicks! |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 96
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) ..aaaaaannnnd SEEN. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 254
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) or scene |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 395
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) He's RIGHT! |
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Jun 12th 2015 |
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) He's RIGHT! |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 39
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i get confused for conservative on this topic but i'm not |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 20
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Well there's this: |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 24
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) That seems to be the crux of those who reject transgendered people: |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 27
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A lot of these ambiguities spring up because... |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 21
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Yes, I think this is a great point. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 25
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) good post. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 36
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) the black/Black dustups actually make sense in this scenario |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 43
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I wonder what would happen if the idea of race was erased... |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 104
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) right, which is why there is room for fluidity re: 'black identity' |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 106
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: right, which is why there is room for fluidity re: 'black identity' |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 263
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) And this is exactly the struggle transgender people are fighting |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 48
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) this is pretty much what i came in to post |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 100
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) nah...sloppy science is used for both |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 236
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) it could be argued that gender is but sex isn't |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 238
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The people comparing these two are either white or transphobic. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 26
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One is culture and the other is biological |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 30
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I am pretty sure you can't distinguish fetuses by race. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 76
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What would be gender dysphoria for transrace? |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 46
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the japanese b-stylers |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 49
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Apparently they have theme parks |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 50
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) sad face |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 51
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Jamal, talk white! (c) Kid in House Party 2 |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 52
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) oh shit |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 54
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) That girl, Hina, tho.....? |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 53
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) sans or with tan? |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 55
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I would place this in a seperate category based on cultures |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 195
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: I would place this in a seperate category based on cultures |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 227
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alright, IF...IF we were to take this goofy ass argument for real... |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 56
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) True. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 57
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Find someone 50 years ago.... |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 58
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) yes but, the act of gender bending has been around forever. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 60
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What if this was our out? |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 61
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) sure, but it's very arbitrary as to when people legitimize identity. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 63
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sidenote: notice how we champion self-identity in one instance... |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 64
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) because it's largely unnecessary |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 66
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: because it's largely unnecessary |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 68
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Perhaps it's this simple |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 70
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Perhaps it's this simple |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 71
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Perhaps it's this simple |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 74
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: Perhaps it's this simple |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 75
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Yah....I anticipated that. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 79
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you can feel like a woman. feeling black doesn't exist without societal ... |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 67
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) why is that left up to you adjudicate and understand? |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 69
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) i'm not saying its up to me, i just want to understand how it works. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 81
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) it's obviously something emerging as an entry to a larger discussion |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 113
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I think yall are wrong saying gender doesn't involve societal context |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 77
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) fair enough. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 83
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) There's no way of ever knowing that what you're feeling is woman |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 95
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) right. trans is something that can be apparent during childhood |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 140
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Who are these people who consider themselves transracial? |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 82
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I've asked |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 92
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I think it's telling that they won't speak in specifics |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 122
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) The reason there aren't specifics is because it's a new concept. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 129
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Our specific example is Rachel |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 250
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My question is why are people trying so hard to distinguish the two? |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 84
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) This is the most fascinating part of this conversation to me: |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 85
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) It just proves my theory that all ppl are self-ish and self-serving |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 87
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I'm seeing a ton of pushback from black and white people on the internet |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 88
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Well I am talking about a very specific group, Pro-transgendered and ant... |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 91
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) lol right. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 105
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one deals with gender, one deals with skin color |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 86
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) The argument (that we're trying to dismantle) |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 97
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) don't dismantle it, simply ignore it |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 108
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I don't think it's a waste of time. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 114
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) i agree with that, however |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 115
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transgender folks are normal & transrace |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 89
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Whatever someone wants to identify as..... |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 90
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being black stymies ANY exploratory process. off rip. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 93
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One is real and one is racist... |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 94
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I think everyone agrees with you. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 98
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Nope. Its the same damn thing |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 101
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Total utter self-serving bullshit. One is a thing and the other is not ... |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 102
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Yup.. I was late as fuck on your angle but you are killing it on this is... |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 107
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Please, you read Ms. Jenners 5 page article |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 111
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Haven't read it yet. I guess you didn't notice that my position isn't |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 126
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) lol wow. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 109
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) White people wanting to possess blackness is as old as the day is long |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 116
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) predictably, you want to make this about you. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 117
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) k |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 118
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) How does all you just said, not apply to transgendered? |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 128
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I agree with all that. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 130
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) It's the transgenders peeping in the locker room argument lol |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 119
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Except those are their unfounded fears |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 120
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) So this lady in the news today is a racist? |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 121
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) There is a high chance she made up fake hate crimes |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 123
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) What makes her racist? Misguided comes to mind but what makes her a raci... |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 125
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Well there is the black face part for starters. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 133
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Again, apply your logic to transgender. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 136
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) black face and transgender people are not equivalent. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 138
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) If you describe what that lady is doing is blackface then clearly you |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 145
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) If this was black face than that is black face |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 150
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) It's really weird |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 152
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) it is - and it's also logically bankrupt. |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 153
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Only if you continue to view this ahistorically |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 268
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I guess I'm still stuck on the individuals being used for comparison |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 99
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) But this is only because we knew Jenner beforehand... |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 103
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) the major component to passing is secrecy otherwise you're not passing |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 127
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How can one be trans race when one can only be human? |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 110
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to put it this way, i'm not going to deconstruct a turd |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 112
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To answer the ?, they say race isn't scientific but gender is. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 131
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Also this question from a white supremacist society is some bullshit |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 132
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ya'll niggas, the white and black and others among you, are wild as shit... |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 134
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i understand one and don't understand the other. |
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Jun 12th 2015 | 135
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trans ppl have existed for centuries |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 139
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Buddy and Vex...thank you |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 141
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Too be fair, I don't if I am completely sold on either. |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 146
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Not everybody views that as a good thing. |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 148
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Things that people say ONLY after integration for $100 Alex. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 264
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Garvey said it prior... |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 334
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) How'd that work out for the Garvey-ites? |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 414
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Pretty well until integration. What has integration done for |
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Jun 17th 2015 | 498
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) she's good as any because you can't be transracial without lying |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 149
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Slippery slope. |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 151
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) What part of "performance" is police brutality? |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 157
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I know that we're only loosely basing this thread on Rachel. |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 143
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: I know that we're only loosely basing this thread on Rachel. |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 144
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Caitlyn Jenner is DOING exactly what you said she isn't doing. |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 147
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) It's simple: |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 171
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) This is called a dinstinction without a difference. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 262
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) That "going natural" bullshit offends me more than any of it really... |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 156
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there is no difference bc you are who you are... |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 155
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Melissa-Harris Perry is talking about it |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 158
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Transrace is a new white supremacist buzzword. White privilege |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 159
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) lol this is such non-sense, but entertaining non-sense. |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 160
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I outright dismissed "transracialism" when framed by the Jenner situatio... |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 161
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) you dismissed the mere mention of "transrace" as white supremacist jargo... |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 164
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I find it absolutely consistent to dismiss transgenderism and transracia... |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 181
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I'm with what Buddy said ultimately: |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 162
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Man, its so entertaining watching people justify one and not the other..... |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 163
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) that's the dangerous crossroads right there. |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 165
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Post 171. |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 172
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Naw, that post is pretty refutable. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 266
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) People may not like the comparative analysis w/ gender, |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 166
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Potential biological and chemical urges are present in one case |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 167
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this is why: |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 168
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RE: What is the distinguishing difference between transgender & transrac... |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 169
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) There's a huge problem in this. |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 173
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) yea see, you want to make it about you. |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 175
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Michael Jackson was transgender and transracial |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 170
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Did he identify himself as a woman? I dont recall. |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 185
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) lulz |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 199
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Michael Jackson was very clear that he was a Black man |
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Jun 19th 2015 | 534
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and how is this (transrace, i.e.) not cultural appropriation? |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 174
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) It is if you think culture can be appropriated. If you think culture can... |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 183
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) so american indians should stop bitching |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 196
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Jun 13th 2015 | 176
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huffpo article on Dolezal v Caitlyn |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 177
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Started off promising but falls into the same trap. |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 179
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) i am so sick of |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 247
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They are both the same in that neither exists. |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 182
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) your mistake is thinking social constructs don't exist. |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 184
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) They exist the same way black 'super strength' exists |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 193
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) So you don't believe in the Social Construct of 'Money'? |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 481
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Money has the value of whatever goods or service are attached |
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Apr 14th 2019 | 583
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Where is the "power" in being transgender? My nigga, what are you saying... |
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Jun 13th 2015 | 186
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) The power is in the organizations that pull or grant their sponsorship |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 194
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Would you agree that white supremacy is part of US ideology? |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 187
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Lets say I'm for transrace.. outright lying about your past is that too? |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 188
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) exactly. |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 189
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Go ahead and let the advocates align it with pathological lying |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 190
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) heh I'm sayin, is Bruce saying he was a mom who ran against women? |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 192
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) she is a pathological liar, she's not "trans race" or any other made up ... |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 279
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I hear but that should apply to transgendered as well. Is |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 200
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) #192 e.g. did he say he raised kids as a mom? |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 213
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) yea, there have never been cases of trans lying about their sex |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 237
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One is a fraud that requires you lie |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 191
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MHP is talking about it again this morning w/ a panel... |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 197
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Proving? |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 198
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) proving that there is merit in having a broader discussion. |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 210
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Has Dolezal even identified as trans-racial? |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 228
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) the discussion is really less about her than it is the concept of transr... |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 229
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) White people have a constitution right to express themselves. |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 230
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) There's a difference in supporting Dolezal's decision to lie |
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Jun 17th 2015 | 494
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Drop the passive-aggressiveness and state your major premise. |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 201
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) so... where do you stand on this? |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 202
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) i disagree that transrace & transgender are the same thing. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 252
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) My major premise is that self-identification should have a broader scope |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 203
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) it's not valid if you have to make up a new history. |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 204
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) u are letting the example ruin it though |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 256
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I already have, but here's more detail attached on to it: |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 208
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I don't think my point has been addressed yet. |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 220
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) this here |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 239
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Niggas aint even trying to be subtle about it. |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 223
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Those who are pro transracial is it okay to identify |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 205
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Why do you have to resort to people transitioning for nefarious reasons? |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 206
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) lmao.. thr foxnews fear tactics are hilarious. |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 207
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) lol right. We've already been over this. |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 209
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) is there a moral / non nefarious reason to outright lie |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 211
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) How's that different from Caitlin or Janet Mock applying for |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 212
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) there's no lie attached |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 215
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Forget this woman. A white woman who feels in her soul that she is Blac... |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 221
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I guess I've arrived to a place where this is acceptable. |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 224
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) That's a really good assessment of why the social justice world |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 225
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) ^excellent points by both you and denny here. |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 226
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Black/African American means you are a descendant of Africans |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 231
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) You are too focused on the lie |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 232
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I doubt the gender/sex distinction has always been acknowledged everywhe... |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 242
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Is a transgender lying when they identify as the other sex? |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 217
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) gender does not = biological sex |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 218
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) The hypothetical application elides the two, so the question |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 222
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) white privilege >>>>>>> casino money and scholarships |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 214
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) not necessarily. white people in california |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 216
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) right, that's one small advantage in one very limited area |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 234
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transracial is a thing, just not the way you think it is |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 219
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) ^^^^of course this was ignored |
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Jun 18th 2015 | 520
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Is it possible for an intersexed person not to be bisexual? |
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Jun 14th 2015 | 233
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I don't think it's a 1:1comparison. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 240
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Are you implying that Transgenders have different biological |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 241
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) nah, he's saying they visit doctors so it's different |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 255
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Uh no, I'm saying there's scientific research that has identified |
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Jun 18th 2015 | 506
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) what research? what psychological markers? |
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Jun 19th 2015 | 522
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I said psychology and hormones. |
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Jun 18th 2015 | 505
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The discourse would improve so much if special care was |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 243
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Also, if we were to try to agree on a similar breakdown |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 244
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) This definition of race would disqualify Af-Am as black people |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 245
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I don't disagree that biological identifiers of race are problematic |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 246
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This implies that trans people are trying to pass as cis... |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 248
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) ^^^ this is where her story doesn't work for me |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 258
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Again, complete utter bullshit. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 259
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Try again... |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 261
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) You're talking like everyone has a Masters degree in gender studies... |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 269
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I get that not everyone pays attention to these issues |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 271
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) You sayin that transwomen don't describe themselves as "women"? |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 270
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) They describe themselves as trans women. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 272
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Yep yep. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 274
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) i have known a few trans men and women. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 282
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) The ones I've known/know freely identify themselves. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 286
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) i agree. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 289
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Agreed |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 327
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) a lot of people have this view |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 303
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Did you read the article you posted? |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 310
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) you really can't be this stupid in real life |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 319
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Are YOU this stupid? |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 322
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A+ post would read again |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 249
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She resigned. (very short swipe) |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 251
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) smart move. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 253
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after reading the post: one is made-up and the other is real |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 260
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) All social constructs are made up. That's why it's a social construct. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 265
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) no, im very clear on what i mean |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 273
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Transrace has been a term used alot with people of one race |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 276
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) in the context of this house that rachel built? |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 288
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Today? Maybe. Tomorrow? I think it might be. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 292
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) LOL, yall are so pressed. "Tomorrow transclass might be a thing!" |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 296
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) *Kanye shrug* All types of things might become normal in |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 297
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Like bestiality, right? |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 299
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I think that's an oversimplification of what's being discussed here. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 301
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Let him have his fun, it makes him feel better. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 304
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Let's get beyond "what" and talk about "who." |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 306
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I've never met one. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 307
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Meeting one isn't a prerequisite for discussing an example. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 312
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Agreed. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 317
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) LOL. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 321
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) From what I've read, alot are transracial adoptees |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 308
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Now we're getting somewhere. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 316
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Lol, I literally never heard of it until last week. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 323
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) This clearly explains why you kept relying on fictional scenarios |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 330
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Oh, ok. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 331
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) *dancehall horns* |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 338
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) lol. Yup. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 302
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) You don't need to fear that transrace might cause people to turn |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 305
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) And you don't need to fear the transclassers. Or the beastiality mvmt. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 309
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) You're probably right - I don't detect much of a threat from either of |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 311
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) several |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 275
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) she sued howard for white discrimination? wtf? |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 291
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) oh my lord. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 294
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Bingo. Reply #188 |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 295
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) are you saying your dusty approval isnt needed for transracial? |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 345
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Yep. These transracial people in your imagination don't need my approval |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 361
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here is the thing. Rachel is no Rosa Park (and definitely not a saint).... |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 267
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) You aren't being intellectually honest. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 277
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Someone wrote a think piece complimenting her do's to boot |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 280
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) the hair is the best example to me. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 281
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) So I guess you find weaves deceptive too huh? |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 290
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) what if she sued Howard University for racial discrimination? |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 298
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) What do you know about Howard? If being mad at Howard about how you |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 344
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) OK, but can we be clear about something? She IS a FRAUD. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 283
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I think they gave someone jail time here |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 314
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Do you think she is a fraud because of her appearance? |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 352
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) heres the thing with that |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 333
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I'M CHINESE NOW. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 285
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) same trap though. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 287
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) but technology still doesn't allow for it 100% |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 315
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Fine. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 320
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) But you don't need mechanisms to change from one race to another. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 293
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Okay. SHAZAM. Now you're White. Thank me later. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 339
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lolz. if it weren't for okp... |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 300
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what's the agenda behind making this non-thing into a thing? |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 313
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) an attempt to paint transgender advocates into a corner |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 318
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I would embrace transracial if it gives bi/multiracial people a voice |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 324
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) sure. but that's not what's going on. |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 326
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) but now that its out there, can it be steered in a legitimate direction? |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 328
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) probably not. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 370
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) so then someone like my Grandmother is? |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 427
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) sure. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 434
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) right, but... |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 329
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) yep, anybody tying this to caitlyn jenner is telling on themself |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 325
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) That's not really true at all. Go back to the original Jenner posts. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 337
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) well, hold on a minute... |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 340
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) And here we have it |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 348
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) i have never hid my hand on OKP, it is a slippery slope... and you are s... |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 349
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I know, but Buddy misrepresented your position. Shame on him. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 357
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) so you admit its up to us to decide if we accept self identity? cool |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 445
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Conversation is going 360 because that leads us back to why not let RQ |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 351
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) true, i feel as tho if you ride for one why wouldnt you ride for the oth... |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 354
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) you want us to ride for something that does not exist? |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 366
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I think that Rachel is a liar who knows she is white. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 365
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) CJ hasn't engaged in fraud as RD has. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 374
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Yep yep |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 443
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) 'the progressive position' <-- *eyes roll* |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 341
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) there is a lot of Fox News language from BOTH sides on this issue |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 346
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) uh huh. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 369
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) the agenda of the op is bit more...personal methinks...but I'll leave it... |
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Jun 15th 2015 | 332
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) and Blacks arent making it personal in regards to Rachel? |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 350
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) what are u even replying to? certainly not what i wrote because |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 356
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) lmao.. yall are hilarious in here |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 359
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) huh? Who is yall? I'm not transgender or 'transracial'? So again what |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 364
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) theatre major? why so dramatic |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 382
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) yeah as I thought, just say u were wrong and pressed |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 398
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) nah, just realized you got a whole lotta bitch in u bruh, 64 oz large gu... |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 444
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) stop tough typing on the internet and reply 398 |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 454
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) that isn't tough talk if it's the truth |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 464
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) seen and agree |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 368
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why does everyone continue to mention white supremacy |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 335
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) this. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 373
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Because the conversation isn't just about being transsexual? |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 400
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Because its about a white woman that pretending to be black? |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 472
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Jelani Cobb went in re: "Rachel Dolezal and Our Lies About Race" |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 336
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I'm actually glad we're having this kind of uncomfortable... |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 342
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) There's one huge caveat to that statement, we didn't "create" transgende... |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 343
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I'm sure transgender had to face something every day before changing |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 347
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) you're confusing sexuality and gender. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 362
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) What you have to keep in mind is... |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 376
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) interesting break down |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 384
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) so gender is more than a social construct? |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 431
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Research on the subject is relatively new, but yes. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 439
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) this is why it's so problematic |
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Jun 19th 2015 | 528
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BTW, if RD does one of those ancestry.com DNA tests and turns out to be |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 353
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) nope |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 355
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) can I be white? |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 367
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Knock yourself out. Self-identify however you like. That doesn't mean |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 378
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) how do I go about "acting" white once I've transitioned? |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 393
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) IDK. you decided you wanted to self-identify so present it how you see |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 413
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I don't wanna "self-identify". I wanna be white! |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 459
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) i dont know... i guess, it would probably be an uphill battle tho |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 388
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*keeps unpopular opinion to self* |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 358
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) LOL, dont be scurred, its been civil |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 360
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) the world is a shit show |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 363
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) That's an interesting angle I haven't heard yet. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 372
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) i just feel like people are who and what they are. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 377
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) i agree |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 383
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) me too, you summed up stance in one sentence |
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Jun 16th 2015 |
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) me too, you summed up stance in one sentence |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 386
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I can't speak for Nika, but I view it like this... |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 379
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I know some lite skint Black people in Charlotte who dont identify as Bl... |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 390
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Here's the thing, though... |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 402
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) but... what about when society sees a women who is clearly a man? |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 453
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I get how that can be rough... |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 457
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) What about the M2F who clearly presents as a Male though? |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 403
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I can understand how it may be jarring... |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 409
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No difference except one is the agenda of popular culture |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 371
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cards on the table: who here actually identifies or wants to identify as |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 375
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I considered my friend Black. She considered herself "bi-racial" |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 380
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) that's not 'transrace'. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 381
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) How are you distinguishing trans-racial and bi-racial issues. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 391
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) easily. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 408
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) my wife has a friend who is white, she was born and raised in japan |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 394
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) based on that she's not part of this discussion. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 411
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) why not? |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 441
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) b/c nothing in that told me how SHE identifies. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 442
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) my wife says she is japanese... we debated for a while about it |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 447
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) *shrugs* |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 448
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) sure |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 451
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) 'Japanese' is not a racial identity. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 452
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) he's extremely dumb...like seriously |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 455
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Until you let that bitch in you, walk up out you.. don't speak to me |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 463
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) ...that reply wasn't to you. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 465
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) sure it wasn't |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 467
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) lol, true.. but you knew what I meant. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 461
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) i did and that's why i said from the top she has no place |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 462
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) This supports the idea that race isn't intrinsic |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 387
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Exactly, I was wrong to try to insist on some biological basis. Clearly |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 397
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) But there's a biological basis for gender and orientation... |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 405
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Sure there is a biological basis for orientation, but what about gender? |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 412
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) The same... |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 417
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Come one yo, your source talks about Disorders of gender identity. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 426
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) So, you're ignoring the part where I said research is new? |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 432
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Race is based on biological features as well. It's just that |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 416
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) The interpretation of those biological features... |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 419
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Would you disagree that 'feeling black' is part of a shared |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 422
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Absolutely |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 425
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Hm, interesting. I think this is where we disagree then. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 430
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I'm not sure where we differ based on your statement. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 436
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Sorry about that, you're right. I definitely stopped short. |
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Jun 21st 2015 | 575
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) no, she was regarded as 0.5, or pointy as we call it |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 389
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) He thought he was going to pull a fast one on us. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 392
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) lol! how did i miss this |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 541
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) She told me she was regarded as white. You saying she lying? |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 396
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) yes, |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 399
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) maybe I mis-remember, maybe she lied (I doubt it), maybe she encountered |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 404
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) categorically no |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 429
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Ohh I am suppose to categorically believe you now based on your last pos... |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 480
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) believe whatever you want to believe |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 482
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) lol, no. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 385
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) If we were to characterize "transrace" as |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 420
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) no. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 428
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Lol! Well thanks for setting me on the straight and narrow :) |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 433
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) 'maintains ___ ethnicity' |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 438
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) In particular not Michael fucking Jackson. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 449
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) yup. very much so. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 450
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Lol! Yall are so dramatic in here. Look, |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 473
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Alright, I see you. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 471
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) great. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 474
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) show your work |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 435
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) *pats head* |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 440
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) ric, don't accept this shit. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 484
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I've seen so many jokes this week about "trans" |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 401
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) LMFAO. Truth be told, there's really no end to this "self-identify |
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Jun 18th 2015 | 507
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Crissle from The Read has a special message for this post: |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 406
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I'm listening to it now. She's on point, as usual. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 410
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) DAMN! |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 483
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) HUNDALASILIAH!! |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 485
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Elon James White & team have a special message for this post: |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 407
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If I was trying to prove this was an agenda, I'd ask who first described... |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 415
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Why must there even be an agenda? |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 418
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) I hear you. And I agree. I am just thinking out loud cause I can't deny ... |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 421
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Lol, of course. I wasn't coming at you (or anyone) specifically |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 423
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) There doesn't have to be, but there is |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 424
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Seen. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 437
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) You are wise and intelligent |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 488
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) beautifully articulated. thanks for that. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 490
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Kareem talkin' bout it (TIME mag swipe) |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 446
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Kareem hates the transgendered because he dared... |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 466
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whatever happened to being happy with the uniform that god gave you? |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 456
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) we're way too self-indulgent and narcissistic for that nonsense. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 458
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Damn. et tu Nika? |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 477
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) ? |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 486
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) absolutely. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 460
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) not possible |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 469
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) 1) everyone doesn't believe in god |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 478
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) this is/was the same argument made against transsexuals/transgenders |
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Jun 17th 2015 | 499
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) there's enough evidence that says transgender life is valid |
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Jun 17th 2015 | 501
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) still a similar argument |
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Jun 18th 2015 | 503
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I am noticing a trend on FB, my friends with the most identity issues |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 468
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) interesting |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 470
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) For me, FB has been surprisingly quiet... |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 475
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) LOL |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 476
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'we need allies, not replacements' the daily show |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 479
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) and there it is. |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 487
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Agreed |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 491
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akon & blkprincemd: What exactly is my "agenda"? |
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Jun 16th 2015 | 489
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) transracial isnt a thing and never will be |
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Jun 17th 2015 | 492
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) We've already discussed that. |
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Jun 17th 2015 | 493
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Than the topic is closed. |
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Jun 17th 2015 | 495
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) you couldve just responsed under what is the agenda post |
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Jun 17th 2015 | 496
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) you mentioned that you 'agreed' that there was a specific agenda at play |
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Jun 17th 2015 | 497
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) your motivation is very clear, your agenda... we still waiting |
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Jun 18th 2015 | 504
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) you say it's 'very clear' yet you can't even say what it is. |
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Jun 18th 2015 | 508
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) have the decency to leave this alone today. |
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Jun 18th 2015 | 509
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I'm not leaving it alone - I'm actively working to combat it. |
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Jun 18th 2015 | 510
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) k. |
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Jun 18th 2015 | 511
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I think we have the same friend. |
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Jun 18th 2015 | 514
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) RE: I think we have the same friend. |
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Jun 18th 2015 | 515
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) It's pretty clear |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 562
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To me it's because it's possible to be born intersex |
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Jun 17th 2015 | 500
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Sandra Laing? |
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Jun 18th 2015 | 513
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Didn't she have some unknown African ancestor though? |
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Jun 18th 2015 | 516
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) the assumption is that she must have |
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Jun 18th 2015 | 518
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Yeah, but in South Africa |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 566
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) japan and korea? |
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Jun 21st 2015 | 576
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) The original example yes |
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Jun 25th 2015 | 579
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the difference: |
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Jun 17th 2015 | 502
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Transgender is likely biologically programmed |
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Jun 18th 2015 | 517
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Transgender is more likely imaginary. |
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Jun 18th 2015 | 519
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) fairly condident you arent qualified to make that kind of assessment |
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Jun 19th 2015 | 521
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) i've done some and it still appears pretty damn inconclusive |
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Jun 19th 2015 | 523
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) when you ppl have a better transrace example than Rachel D |
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Jun 19th 2015 | 524
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) MJ and Sammy Sosa? |
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Jun 19th 2015 | 529
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) MJ didn't just NOT claim white. He vehemently claimed Black. |
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Jun 19th 2015 | 533
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) nope and nope. |
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Jun 19th 2015 | 535
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Why, in this perspective, does the claimed race identity |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 546
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Race is not subjective. |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 554
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) You have not resolved the logical flaws in this perspective. |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 563
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Michael Jackson got treated like a nigga. |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 567
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Some great points, but this is what you are not going to do: |
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Jun 21st 2015 | 570
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Also, once you get into 'living as a black man' you are veering |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 549
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500+ posts on a fictitious group of people and their |
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Jun 19th 2015 | 525
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) fictitious vs theoretical |
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Jun 19th 2015 | 526
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) theoretical vs. actual |
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Jun 19th 2015 | 527
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) today's actual was yesterday's theoretical |
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Jun 19th 2015 | 530
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) and yesterday's actual is today's okayplayer |
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Jun 19th 2015 | 531
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) No. |
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Jun 19th 2015 | 532
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) There have been... On TV even, but we collectively said |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 538
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Its crazy how dismissive they are on this subject |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 539
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) because your phobias are peeping |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 540
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) smh, I'm not going to talk about Charelston in this thread. |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 545
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) the deflection exercises are astounding. Lot of mad & wrong posturing. |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 547
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I would expect you to intereptet things that way. |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 552
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) thanks for that awesome insight, Mike. Keep hiding behind an alias. |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 553
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Reply #555 |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 556
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) I'm sure you think so. |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 544
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) today's theoretical is not yesterday's or today's actual. |
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Jun 19th 2015 | 536
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Why are there +500 posts? |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 550
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) actually |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 560
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i've been turning Japanese since I was 11. |
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Jun 19th 2015 | 537
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) my blacker than black dinka brethren put ash on their bodies |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 542
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) forget the reasons for the need for a black is beautiful movement |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 543
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) RE: forget the reasons for the need for a black is beautiful movement |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 548
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) why object now? |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 559
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Alright, so can you please propose alternative explanations for |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 558
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) blah blah, white supremacy, blah blah making their appearance ideal |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 564
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Lol I specifically asked for alternative explanations NOT |
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Jun 21st 2015 | 571
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Find one who actually LIVED as a white person and you might have a point... |
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Jun 21st 2015 | 573
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) right? these females claim they were turning male since they were kids |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 551
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Race is not a subjective experience. |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 555
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) that's cute. |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 565
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Evidence would prove otherwise. |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 568
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/mesg_level.gif) video related |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 557
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![](./images/middle_mesg_level.gif) ![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) after this week I didn't wanna be Black no more and now I see my way out... |
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Jun 21st 2015 | 572
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) These people know exactly how you feel: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qe4AZRk... |
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Jun 21st 2015 | 577
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) lmao. |
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Jun 20th 2015 | 561
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It's been a useful thread for me. |
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Jun 21st 2015 | 569
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Who are those? |
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Jun 21st 2015 | 574
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) Those japanese who think they are black |
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Jun 21st 2015 | 578
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race is only 200 years old and is a result of cultural insecurity |
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Apr 14th 2019 | 580
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One is backed by fake hebrews |
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Apr 14th 2019 | 581
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) They aren't ready |
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Apr 14th 2019 | 584
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) My ninja, aintchu eva heard of Babysteps? |
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Apr 15th 2019 | 588
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One is real, has been occurring in virtually every culture and the other |
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Apr 14th 2019 | 582
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) That approach we wouldn't acknowledge race which is only a few |
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Apr 14th 2019 | 586
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![](./images/mesg_level.gif) Are you TRYING to be dumb at this point? |
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Apr 14th 2019 | 587
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![](./images/last_mesg_level.gif) The best argument I've seen, which someone made above, is that |
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Apr 15th 2019 | 590
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when the police pull me over can I identify as white? |
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Apr 15th 2019 | 589
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