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Orfeo_Negro
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"Black Nationalist rap poisoned the minds of my generation"


  

          

it really bothers me when i think about it... and i guess i've been thinking about it a lot since that new Prodigy track dropped, to rave reviews.

it just made me think about how the pro-Black rap that nurtured me in the late 80s and early 90s and that i loved so much... it really warped the perspective of a whole generation of black (and white and Asian and Latino) people.

it's not completely the rap's fault, of course... a lot of the ideology came from other places. but the popularity of hip-hop helped spread it across the nation (and beyond) and cement it.

and now i'm wondering how we can break it down.

i talked about it a bit with scorpion over the weekend, and he urged me to post about it... i said i would, but now i feel a bit hesitant because i don't really feel like dealing with the inevitable, drawn-out shitstorm (complete with Aquaman, Earl Flynn, Zap Furer and explizit coming out of the woodwork to rebuke me).

also: i'd be lying if i said i wasn't slightly... not "bothered" but... made *cautious* by that post breaking down the racial composition of the Lesson. there's a part of me that doesn't feel comfortable discussing "family business" in front of Ofayplayers.

but then again... why not?

i'll up this post later and really get into it.

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Black Nationalist rap poisoned the minds of my generation [View all] , Orfeo_Negro, Wed Dec-12-07 09:08 AM
 
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then again... maybe this isn't the best forum for this debate
Dec 12th 2007
1
nah, I like the topic.
Dec 12th 2007
2
      'thinkers'?
Dec 12th 2007
4
           well at worst, they got kids to read. that can't be bad...
Dec 12th 2007
13
           Well I know it inspired me
Dec 12th 2007
38
                i don't know you too well, Kevan
Dec 12th 2007
40
                     RE: i don't know you too well, Kevan
Dec 12th 2007
64
come on Kaps, you didn't whiff fix on those votes ?
Dec 12th 2007
3
nah, i think there's hella white people here
Dec 12th 2007
5
      yeah i suppose
Dec 12th 2007
9
      i know FOR A FACT
Dec 12th 2007
12
           kids these days
Dec 12th 2007
           NNN. or inbox ya mans. i gotta know!! lol.
Dec 12th 2007
46
           ..okay, so i'm actually Black
Dec 13th 2007
127
           Yeah, inbox me with that list too
Dec 13th 2007
132
           Names?
Dec 12th 2007
47
           i have to remember the names
Dec 12th 2007
52
           I bet there's a lot posting in Activist
Dec 12th 2007
82
           RE: Names?
Dec 12th 2007
81
                Perpetrators
Dec 12th 2007
88
           RE: i know FOR A FACT
Dec 12th 2007
79
                Sympathizing is one thing
Dec 12th 2007
100
                     RE: Sympathizing is one thing
Dec 17th 2007
160
      yeah like you
Dec 12th 2007
117
           and you cannot be literate.
Dec 13th 2007
128
                you tell me
Dec 13th 2007
143
                     uh, do you mean 'you're telling me'?
Dec 13th 2007
146
                          RE:
Dec 13th 2007
149
man, this strikes me as coming off real revisionist
Dec 12th 2007
6
yeah... i'd say 'poisoned'
Dec 12th 2007
8
give me an example of this.
Dec 12th 2007
22
RE: yeah... i'd say 'poisoned'
Dec 12th 2007
84
      your knowledge
Dec 12th 2007
116
under the guise of "this is the reality of the streets"
Dec 12th 2007
15
      so b/c they were not a reality for you personally, this wasn't the reali...
Dec 12th 2007
19
      here we go with THIS bullshit.
Dec 12th 2007
24
      why would you let an NWA album define you?
Dec 12th 2007
34
      It appears to me that you're just talking nonsense at this point.
Dec 12th 2007
41
           more likely that you just don't have an answer...
Dec 12th 2007
45
                philpot is fine
Dec 13th 2007
129
      When keeping it real goes wrong
Dec 12th 2007
72
           RE: When keeping it real goes wrong
Dec 12th 2007
89
                This celebrity fetish
Dec 12th 2007
96
      this is what HE'S asking
Dec 12th 2007
26
           native tongues, special ed, lons, kmd, pete/cl, the roots, heavy d...
Dec 12th 2007
32
           don't bother, Sha...
Dec 12th 2007
33
                lol...and you're mad at people for judging YOU?
Dec 12th 2007
37
                     good day to you.
Dec 12th 2007
44
                     ^^^member since april 1, 2007
Dec 13th 2007
130
      Straight Outta Compton was that shit...
Dec 12th 2007
63
      RE: Straight Outta Compton was that shit...
Dec 12th 2007
85
           Blame Ice Cube *semi-serious*
Dec 12th 2007
90
                True
Dec 12th 2007
93
                Ice Cube-Gangsta Rap Made Me Do It (perfect song 4 this topic)
Dec 12th 2007
95
      RE: under the guise of "this is the reality of the streets&...
Dec 12th 2007
87
yeah, i too would have preferred a lot of tapdancing and partying...
Dec 12th 2007
7
RE: yeah, i too would have preferred a lot of tapdancing and partying...
Dec 12th 2007
99
Regarding this part:
Dec 12th 2007
10
i don't mind discussing it 'in front of' per se
Dec 12th 2007
11
      bullshit, it doesn't disturb you, it feeds right into your argument...
Dec 12th 2007
16
      what do you mean?
Dec 12th 2007
21
           because you can dismiss this type of rap you're talking about...
Dec 12th 2007
28
                oh... you're white.
Dec 12th 2007
29
                and you're an idiot...
Dec 12th 2007
39
                     is this a new login or are you a new poster?
Dec 12th 2007
51
                          5th
Dec 12th 2007
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                               get the f*ck off the innanets, cousinly.
Dec 12th 2007
60
                                    LOL
Dec 12th 2007
61
                RE: because you can dismiss this type of rap you're talking about...
Dec 16th 2007
158
      wtf????
Dec 21st 2007
161
NGCOWCOT.
Dec 12th 2007
14
remember: it's got 'a rat' in it.
Dec 12th 2007
18
There's no proof Elvis said it and it's SepArate
Dec 12th 2007
23
it's par for the course.
Dec 13th 2007
133
Black Nationalist rap had no effect, imo
Dec 12th 2007
17
but don't you think the rap helped *spread*
Dec 12th 2007
25
it was already there, fam
Dec 12th 2007
48
      But aren't you really saying . . .
Dec 12th 2007
86
           nah....
Dec 12th 2007
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                RE: nah....
Dec 12th 2007
107
Why would a straight Black man want to f*ck a White man?
Dec 12th 2007
27
Please tell me you're not so vapid that you don't
Dec 12th 2007
57
      he was just joshing.
Dec 12th 2007
67
           ^
Dec 12th 2007
77
                gotcha sir
Dec 12th 2007
78
THEIR.
Dec 12th 2007
53
      uh, surely that should be 'with it'.
Dec 13th 2007
134
           stop calling me Shirley.
Jan 10th 2008
167
Boo we don't believe you you need more people(Jay-Z)
Dec 12th 2007
20
RE: Boo we don't believe you you need more people(Jay-Z)
Dec 12th 2007
119
you've done this post before
Dec 12th 2007
30
i've talked about the subject before...
Dec 12th 2007
35
I hate when you or anybody does this
Dec 12th 2007
43
      not sure i have the energy, Ish
Dec 12th 2007
49
           how many times ARE you gonna post this this year?
Dec 13th 2007
135
he should put out a box set or something
Dec 12th 2007
69
liner notes by AquamansWrath
Dec 12th 2007
73
      43 pages of Aqua's "notes" and 2 pages of your posts.
Dec 12th 2007
80
haha. i was thinking the same.
Dec 12th 2007
118
Shoot Your Shot (c) JB....
Dec 12th 2007
31
*sigh*
Dec 12th 2007
36
      just break it all the way down...
Dec 12th 2007
42
Just say you hate hip hop and keep it moving
Dec 12th 2007
50
it's bigger than hip-hop.
Dec 12th 2007
54
RE: it's bigger than hip-hop.
Dec 16th 2007
156
there's an intense guilt that comes with selling your soul...
Dec 12th 2007
55
actually...
Dec 12th 2007
56
like I said you tell me what the alternative should have been then
Dec 12th 2007
110
How many cats really gain knowledge of self?
Dec 12th 2007
76
      I said encourage people to gain it
Dec 12th 2007
109
there were people who didn't like the pro-black stuff then
Dec 12th 2007
59
this is pretty much the definition of throwing the baby out...
Dec 12th 2007
62
inbox
Dec 12th 2007
65
basically.
Dec 13th 2007
136
It was beneficial to me in certain ways
Dec 12th 2007
66
you're a gay man, right?
Dec 12th 2007
68
Yes I am and I was aware of it then
Dec 12th 2007
74
^^^
Dec 12th 2007
70
I typed my own response, but i agree with everything he is saying here
Dec 12th 2007
75
I think once popular rappers put information in the air, it inspires the...
Dec 12th 2007
71
"Me,Me,Me, I,I,I" *smh*
Dec 12th 2007
83
fuck pacific time
Dec 12th 2007
91
WAIT...100 POSTS AND YOU AIN'T MADE NO ARGUMENT YET?
Dec 12th 2007
102
      nah... forget it. sorry.
Dec 12th 2007
103
           alright then tell me why you think the pos(t)ers post?
Dec 12th 2007
105
                some of them are self-hating whites.
Dec 12th 2007
106
                     yet you keep goin on about it.
Dec 12th 2007
112
                     i'm a self-hating joker.
Dec 13th 2007
137
Jesus Christ, are you even B-lack?
Dec 12th 2007
92
RE: Jesus Christ, are you even B-lack?
Dec 12th 2007
97
***sound of nail being hit on head**
Dec 12th 2007
101
from what i understand, black people from outside the states
Dec 13th 2007
138
But the lovers of that music are doing things you are not doing...
Dec 12th 2007
98
How true is this, for real?
Dec 12th 2007
104
      mos def isn't a leader?
Dec 13th 2007
139
           I thought that went under n/m
Dec 13th 2007
150
Black Nationalist rap opened me to studying Black Nationalism
Dec 12th 2007
108
it made "them" too comfortable, imo
Dec 12th 2007
111
vaguest thread on the internets
Dec 12th 2007
113
again, i apologize for that.
Dec 12th 2007
114
eek!
Dec 12th 2007
115
what the hell is this post about
Dec 12th 2007
120
lol. its like the prequel.
Dec 12th 2007
121
      lol
Dec 12th 2007
122
This is honestly the most pitiful post in Lesson history...
Dec 12th 2007
123
bingo
Dec 16th 2007
154
i can't resist....
Dec 12th 2007
124
o_0
Dec 13th 2007
125
more poisonous than gangsta rap?
Dec 13th 2007
126
from a position of better shutting up than saying anything,
Dec 13th 2007
140
That word poison is open ended. Just about anything in this world you c...
Dec 13th 2007
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      RE: That word poison is open ended. Just about anything in this world y...
Dec 13th 2007
144
Brother, Are you the Larry Elders of Music?
Dec 13th 2007
131
whoever would have thought that someone who pimps being afrocentric
Dec 13th 2007
141
Really, how so?
Dec 13th 2007
145
Do you feel reggae has poisoned black people since the 60s?
Dec 13th 2007
147
*AND SCENE*
Dec 13th 2007
148
I don't think pro-black rap or bling-rap or any other kind of rap
Dec 14th 2007
151
this post is nearly dead,
Dec 16th 2007
152
seems like you really wanna critique Black Nationalism itself
Dec 16th 2007
153
RE: Black Nationalist rap poisoned the minds of my generation
Dec 16th 2007
155
Really important question:
Dec 16th 2007
157
You got me wrong cuz....
Dec 17th 2007
159
The initial post is incredibly incorrect...INCREDIBLY.
Dec 25th 2007
162
Brother J- youtube interview...
Jan 09th 2008
163
LOL you're so obsessed, it's hilarious
Jan 10th 2008
164
      nobody is studying you...
Jan 10th 2008
165
           you see a Brother J vid and the first thing that comes to yr mind
Jan 10th 2008
166
                lol...get over yourself dude...
Jan 10th 2008
168
                     the truth speaks for itself.
Jan 10th 2008
169
                          Man...you made this post because of me...
Jan 10th 2008
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                               wow... you're even more obsessed with *yourself* than with me
Jan 10th 2008
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                                    right...someone emailed you that post...lol.
Jan 10th 2008
172
                                         and you prove my point
Jan 10th 2008
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                                              lol...
Jan 10th 2008
175
                                                   spin it however you like... the quote speaks for itself.
Jan 10th 2008
176
                                                        and I totally stand by that statement 100%
Jan 10th 2008
178
Clear Channel poisoned the minds of my generation
Jan 10th 2008
174
can we please let this stupid thread die?
Jan 10th 2008
177

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