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71. "RE: I still don't think hip hop should be studied in college"
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>Even though alot of people will object to the idea of the
>hiphop culture being taught in colleges and universities, the
>hiphoppers of today's generation really don't have a true
>concept or knowledge of the culture itself.

Yup.

>We keep stressing on people to study up on the history and the
>culture and the essence and so on and so on, and everybody
>wants to claim they know the culture but either fail in
>reaching others to pass on the culture or really don't know
>the culture in full scale just their variation of that
>culture.

So in order to learn about the art form, it's better to go to your university as opposed to talking to the dj's, b-boys, mc's, and graffiti writers in the place that you live?

It's better to pay hard earned money to deal with outsiders in your own "culture/sub-culture", than to take the time and threat to your ego that comes from finding and talking to insiders?

A teaching assistant understands the nuances of the "unwritten" codes of hip hop. (like if you're dj'ing a Gangstarr event, it's bad form to play Moog Indigo.) The tension between say dick riders and haters. The lack of middle ground as an aspect of much of what hip hop is about.

>I mean, lets be real. Alot of people today look at hiphop and
>get it confused with just the rap music, regardless of how
>popular or mainstream of how novelty or underground that music
>is from.

*smh*

>And most of the time overlook all the other key
>elements of the hiphop culture as well as the additional
>elements that were tagged on as the culture evolved.

Por ejemplo?

>So, I am down for SOME TYPE of authentic education (keyword:
>"authentic"). This cry about it's not something to be learned,
>but live is utter bullshit, because truthfully, are you REALLY
>living the hiphop culture? Or happen to like rap music and
>wear baggy clothes? Are you being urban rebels of a society,
>bombing the alleys or subways with your expressionist art, or
>b-boying as a lively-hood or experiementing and perfecting
>your DJ techniques? Or are you just sitting here in this
>message board arguing over which rapper is wack and which
>rapper is wacker than that rapper? I'm not saying it have to
>be that fine tune, however, the culture is so satuated and
>watered down that there's no such true existence of a
>"culture" per'se. Most of the time, people speak on the music
>and how degenerate it become and proclaim "hiphop is dead"
>just off of that. Or they look soley from a corporate aspect
>and seeing how much money is being made off the charts (which
>is still mostly music related) and gauge hiphop- not as a
>culture, but a corporation.

Yeah, we're going in different directions.

Not that I don't hear you, but it's not really what i'm addressing.

>So I do believe that people of today's and even yesterday's
>generation needs to be educated and for hiphop to keep having
>a future, education IS needed so kids of tomorrow would
>understand as well as respect the culture that we so-call
>"live" in.

So college is the place to do it?

Apparently, "word of mouth" have failed us, or this
>ignorance that is going on in hiphop today wouldn't of
>existed. So having educated "professionals", someone like
>Davey D or Chuck D that have an unbiased understanding of not
>only the past, but the present as well educate those
>interested in understand the hiphop experience as a whole.

Chuck D? Have you read his terrordomes? Unbiased?

>Then I'm all for it, personally. The only worry I got is 9
>times out of ten you'll get an educator that's not tuned to
>the entire culture or have a regional biased or so many other
>negative issues.

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I still don't think hip hop should be studied in college [View all] , k_orr, Mon Jul-30-07 09:31 PM
 
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i wish hip-hop was taught for those 2 semesters I went to
Jul 30th 2007
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i could see hip-hop 101 being taught at CCAC
Aug 01st 2007
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once it becomes a college class.. its gotta be over...
Jul 30th 2007
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RE: I still don't think hip hop should be studied in college
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RE: I still don't think hip hop should be studied in college
Jul 31st 2007
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Wow, I dunno if I disagree or not.
Jul 30th 2007
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no one went where you're going
Jul 30th 2007
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RE: I still don't think hip hop should be studied in college
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RE: I still don't think hip hop should be studied in college
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uw-madison's first wave program
Jul 30th 2007
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and
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you're more positive about it than me
Jul 30th 2007
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      i don't think anyone's ever said that to me before
Jul 31st 2007
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How would you put it into proper context?
Jul 31st 2007
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i graduated b/4 that program started, but I was involved in the first th...
Aug 02nd 2007
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yea I love hiphop but I don't see it
Jul 30th 2007
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the aesthetics should be
Jul 30th 2007
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i think i agree with this.
Aug 01st 2007
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eh, colleges r filled with electives that could be construed as bullshit
Jul 31st 2007
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It all has to do with the method...
Jul 31st 2007
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more thoughts
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RE: more thoughts
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      This is what's happened with a fair amount of older Black music
Jul 31st 2007
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      i agree with you, however
Aug 01st 2007
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           google australia, aborigines, children
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                'the stolen generation'
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RE: I still don't think hip hop should be studied in college
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RE: I still don't think hip hop should be studied in college
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it's a cash cow
Jul 31st 2007
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i just took a class on witchcraft
Jul 31st 2007
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Haha I did too back when I was in school
Jul 31st 2007
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Ta ta totally dude
Jul 31st 2007
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like totally dude (c) shop boyz
Jul 31st 2007
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what do they actually teach at these courses?
Jul 31st 2007
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takes many forms
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MUSIC history should be studied in college
Jul 31st 2007
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if any music should be studied in college, why not hip-hop?
Jul 31st 2007
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sure, i'll take your straw man - it's not music to me
Jul 31st 2007
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      that assertion is so ridiculous, i wouldn't waste my search function
Aug 01st 2007
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           *shrugs*, don't know what to tell you
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                terrible dodge. probably the worst you've ever typed
Aug 01st 2007
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                     killing em softly
Aug 01st 2007
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What are your specific objections?
Jul 31st 2007
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I'll go into it for a bit
Jul 31st 2007
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RE: What are your specific objections?
Jul 31st 2007
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      So what I'm confused about here is:
Jul 31st 2007
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           RE: So what I'm confused about here is:
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Ive taken a Hip Hop class
Jul 31st 2007
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cause clearly the only value in hip hop is as protest music
Jul 31st 2007
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no, but the shit should be taught
Jul 31st 2007
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I think it should be studied in HIST/AA Studies/Women's Studies etc.
Jul 31st 2007
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the mere idea that it is a global subculture = I find offensive
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      RE: the mere idea that it is a global subculture = I find offensive
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      that should be one of hip hop's essential questions
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           RE: that should be one of hip hop's essential questions
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                RE: that should be one of hip hop's essential questions
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                     As far as the question initially asked:
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                          if you're studying rap and focusing on lyrics
Jul 31st 2007
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                               if you think the academy will ever affect the direction of hip-hop...
Aug 01st 2007
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                               RE: if you're studying rap and focusing on lyrics
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      I think there's evidence to support it, for example in Cuba...
Aug 01st 2007
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           does doing the actions make it hip hop?
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                give a personal definition of hip-hop please
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Although I benefit professionally from it, I don't think it should..
Jul 31st 2007
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and I'd like to offer that in my upcoming book, lectures and..
Jul 31st 2007
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      How are you received by your "peers"
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           Peers, Shmeers
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RE: I still don't think hip hop should be studied in college
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I read a few chapters @ B&N, didn't buy it
Jul 31st 2007
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I think it can be done, just no one's done it right as of yet
Jul 31st 2007
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the how to be an mc book - didn't he drop that as "science of rap"?
Jul 31st 2007
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it's just like any other college course
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cause that's what hip hop does
Aug 01st 2007
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      i stand behind it cuz
Aug 01st 2007
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BAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
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I still don't think hip hop should be studied in college
Aug 01st 2007
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in any aspect what-so-ever.
Aug 01st 2007
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      RE: in any aspect what-so-ever.
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RE: I still don't think hip hop should be studied in college
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      Why do you act as though these two are mutually exclusive?
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           because he doesn't believe in a middle ground. lol.
Aug 01st 2007
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Uuuuummmm No, Juz Take A Mazz Communicationz Clazz
Aug 01st 2007
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when something becomes a university subject, its dead
Aug 01st 2007
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pop culture wise?
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      that is definitely "a" time to study it imo
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I think there is a lot of room in academia to study hip hop...
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RE: I think there is a lot of room in academia to study hip hop...
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      RE: I think there is a lot of room in academia to study hip hop...
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I totally disagree
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RE: I still don't think hip hop should be studied in college
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      RE: I still don't think hip hop should be studied in college
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RE: This thread needs a recap...
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RE: This thread needs a recap...
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nice response
Aug 01st 2007
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other music developed 'schools' before academia got hold of them
Aug 01st 2007
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i agree, but only because i dislike HOW its studied...
Aug 01st 2007
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exactly..
Aug 01st 2007
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      that's not Torez's point, but it is an interesting one
Aug 01st 2007
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the study of the culture and history lends itself to revisionism
Aug 01st 2007
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that's always going to be an issue, cause you've prolly
Aug 01st 2007
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Also, in college, classes aren't always to teach you what's "right"...
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as i've said above
Aug 01st 2007
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      I've thought about it from this end too ..
Aug 01st 2007
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Hip hop can even be broken into various sub courses
Aug 01st 2007
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You might need to read his posts again
Aug 01st 2007
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      lol
Aug 01st 2007
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Good stuff everybody. not what I expected
Aug 02nd 2007
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Didnt an OKP's mom teach hip-hop in college or some shit?
Aug 02nd 2007
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polarbeartoenails or something
Aug 02nd 2007
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RE: I still don't think hip hop should be studied in college
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RE: I still don't think hip hop should be studied in college
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way back when this post was current...
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