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34. "For me, an incredible album"
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Ringo didn't do a solo until ABBEY ROAD, in the song "The End". It seemed everyone else in rock were devoting a few seconds (if not minutes) to the drums, but had his time in that song. This, of course, doesn't count the open breaks that can be found in "Sgt. Pepper (Reprise)".

It is amazing to hear what kind of drum sound they archived with the album. Before, drums were meant to be played and that's it. If you wanted complex, you would listen to drum solos on jazz records. One can say that they were probably trying to have that upfront drum sound they heard on Motown, Stax, and Atlantic 45's, as the drums on the 45's were always "beefed" up. In the case of The Beatles, it seemed that they wanted to do that not only with the drums, but with everything. I'm sure I'll mention this throughout the post, but beforehand, singers and musicians were not supposed to be in the engineering booth. You stayed in the studio, and that's it. Reading a lot of books on recording studios, it was a very sterile enviroment, and the two never crossed paths. Buddy Holly was someone who was said to have crossed the barrier by wanting to produce his own work. In the blues world, people like Willie Dixon wanted not only to perform and sing, but wanted to make sure what he heard in the room would transfer well on tape. In other words, when artists knew it was possible to have a hands-on approach, they moved in. Even when it wasn't possible, they moved in.

When I got into their music, I had always viewed REVOLVER as the album leading up to "the big one" (SGT. PEPPER), but the album holds up incredibly on its own, with a traditional rocker that opens side one, and a very meditative, psychedelic song ending side two. In between you have ballads, folk, a bit of classical (both Western and Indian), a children's song, and a lot of creativity in the middle. I love how the piano sounds off-key in "I Want To Tell You", and how in honor of George, Paul's last vocal melody is done Indian style. Or just listen to the drums in that song, it sounds big even though it's essentially the same studio kit Ringo had played on since 1962. According to "Recording The Beatles", George Martin and his engineers would change the mic placement for the drums. That *might* have helped, if it wasn't for the fact that the group also wanted to make sure that what went in didn't sound the same way it came out. The role of Martin and the engineers was to be able to convert their ideas into something that would work. Fortunately, The Beatles had a hands-on approach that also involved playing with sounds until they got it right.

What's also amazing is that even though the drums were mic'd a certain way, for the most part all of the drums were recorded to one track. In other words, the hi-hat wasn't on track 1, snare on track 2, bass drum on track 3, etc, the group still worked with 4-tracks and when they were done with a basic track, they would fold-down. The limitations of the studio were a very important part of what they were able to achieve. Hard to believe too, but the first time the drum tracks were ever properly mixed in stereo (i.e. elements of his kit had their own track, making it possible to do a stereo mix) were for ABBEY ROAD. The intro to "Something" and the solo in "The End" are evidence of this.






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The Beatles albums appreciation post [View all] , johnbook, Sun Sep-30-07 11:19 PM
 
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muchas gracias, senor john
Sep 30th 2007
1
They're gonna eat up this post like cereal in the morning.
Oct 01st 2007
26
UK: Please Please Me (Parlophone PCS 3042; March 22, 1963)
Sep 30th 2007
2
I'm starting to appreciate the Merseyside(?)
Oct 02nd 2007
99
RE: UK: Please Please Me (Parlophone PCS 3042; March 22, 1963)
Oct 03rd 2007
102
US: Introducing The Beatles (Vee Jay VJLP 1062; July 22, 1963)
Sep 30th 2007
3
UK: With The Beatles (Parlophone PCS 3045; November 22, 1963)
Sep 30th 2007
4
US: Meet The Beatles (Capitol (S)T 2047; January 20, 1964)
Oct 01st 2007
5
US: The Beatles' Second Album (Capitol (S)T-2080; April 10, 1964)
Oct 01st 2007
6
US/UK: A Hard Day's Night (Parlophone PCS 3058; United Artists UAS 6366)
Oct 01st 2007
7
My favorite one...
Oct 02nd 2007
85
US: Something New (Capitol (S)T-2108; July 20, 1964)
Oct 01st 2007
8
US: The Beatles' Story (Capitol STBO 2222; November 22, 1964)
Oct 01st 2007
9
UK: Beatles For Sale (Parlophone PCS 3062; December 4, 1964)
Oct 01st 2007
10
RE: UK: Beatles For Sale (Parlophone PCS 3062; December 4, 1964)
Oct 01st 2007
51
No Reply made me a lennon fan
Oct 01st 2007
52
i love this one
Oct 04th 2007
112
US: Beatles '65 (Capitol (S)T 2228; December 15, 1964)
Oct 01st 2007
11
US: The Early Beatles (Capitol (S)T 2309; March 22, 1965)
Oct 01st 2007
12
US: Beatles VI (Capitol (S)T 2358; June 14, 1965)
Oct 01st 2007
13
UK/US: Help! (Parlophone PCS 3071/Capitol (S)MAS 2386)
Oct 01st 2007
14
UK/US: Rubber Soul (Parlophone PCS 3075/Capitol (S)T 2442)
Oct 01st 2007
15
really?
Oct 02nd 2007
87
The lesbian reference has often been brought up
Oct 02nd 2007
88
      Isn't it about him cheating on his wife?
Oct 02nd 2007
90
           Yes n/m
Oct 02nd 2007
91
                So the fire thing is just a metaphor?
Oct 02nd 2007
92
                     Yep
Oct 02nd 2007
94
Not a favourite of mine
Oct 03rd 2007
103
US: Yesterday...And Today (Capitol (S)T 2553; June 20, 1966)
Oct 01st 2007
16
UK/US: Revolver (Parlophone PCS 7009/Capitol ST-2576)
Oct 01st 2007
17
RE: UK/US: Revolver (Parlophone PCS 7009/Capitol ST-2576)
Oct 01st 2007
30
      but were the drums ringo
Oct 02nd 2007
65
           LOL
Oct 02nd 2007
66
A free eBook about REVOLVER (link)
Oct 01st 2007
43
Yo good look!
Oct 03rd 2007
106
RE: UK/US: Revolver (Parlophone PCS 7009/Capitol ST-2576)
Oct 01st 2007
56
This is a FANTASTIC album...
Oct 02nd 2007
59
The perfect B-side to Rubber Soul.
Oct 02nd 2007
68
Amazing album
Oct 03rd 2007
107
my fav of all their albums
Oct 09th 2007
117
UK/US: Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
Oct 01st 2007
18
RE: UK/US: Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
Oct 01st 2007
33
This is what the original concept was meant to be
Oct 01st 2007
37
      RE: This is what the original concept was meant to be
Oct 01st 2007
38
      It depends
Oct 01st 2007
40
           hmmm, that's odd.
Oct 01st 2007
42
      RE: This is what the original concept was meant to be
Oct 01st 2007
50
RE: UK/US: Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band
Oct 01st 2007
35
Don't like this one much at all...
Oct 02nd 2007
61
As I read your post I was wondering what you would say
Oct 02nd 2007
64
SGT. PEPPER: A hint of what's to come?? (podcasts links)
Oct 02nd 2007
62
I know it's cliche
Oct 02nd 2007
98
special documentary about 40th anniversary of Sgt. Peppers
Oct 10th 2007
118
      I haven't heard the whole broadcast, but a few hours after the broadcast...
Oct 10th 2007
119
           RE: I haven't heard the whole broadcast, but a few hours after the broad...
Oct 10th 2007
120
US: Magical Mystery Tour (Capitol (S)MAL 2835; November 27, 1967)
Oct 01st 2007
19
UK/US: The Beatles (Apple PCS 7067/8; Capitol SWBO 101)
Oct 01st 2007
20
RE: UK/US: The Beatles (Apple PCS 7067/8; Capitol SWBO 101)
Oct 01st 2007
54
RE: UK/US: The Beatles (Apple PCS 7067/8; Capitol SWBO 101)
Oct 09th 2007
115
US/UK: Yellow Submarine (Apple SW 153/PCS 7070)
Oct 01st 2007
21
UK/US: Abbey Road (Apple PCS 7088/SO 383)
Oct 01st 2007
22
the only one i have on vinyl.
Oct 01st 2007
32
Classic
Oct 01st 2007
36
I didn't know this until recently but...
Oct 01st 2007
39
      RE: I didn't know this until recently but...
Oct 01st 2007
53
           makes a bit more sense
Oct 02nd 2007
58
My pick as a favourite
Oct 03rd 2007
105
      RE: My pick as a favourite
Oct 04th 2007
110
      Very true
Oct 04th 2007
111
US: Hey Jude/The Beatles Again (Apple SW 385; February 26, 1970)
Oct 01st 2007
23
UK/US: Let It Be (Apple PXS1/AR 34001; May 8th/18, 1970)
Oct 01st 2007
24
RE: UK/US: Let It Be (Apple PXS1/AR 34001; May 8th/18, 1970)
Oct 01st 2007
57
I thought it was okay, but sold it before I could make a copy for myself
Oct 02nd 2007
60
      That's why I like it more
Oct 02nd 2007
67
           I prefer the early (1963) takes of "One After 909"
Oct 02nd 2007
79
It gets shitted on much...
Oct 03rd 2007
104
UK/US: The Beatles Christmas Record/From Us To You
Oct 01st 2007
25
Not very interesting for me.
Oct 02nd 2007
69
      I think it's great, not so much as a "proper" album but...
Oct 02nd 2007
73
           Yeah
Oct 02nd 2007
74
I will be back to discuss soon, but...
Oct 01st 2007
27
Whoa... nice one JB, I'm in......
Oct 01st 2007
28
Damn.
Oct 01st 2007
29
i actually just finished revisiting their albums this week
Oct 01st 2007
31
It seems unreal to think that there's only 6 years ....
Oct 01st 2007
41
RE: could someone recommend me a good Beatles book?
Oct 01st 2007
44
DubSpt recommends one in reply #27
Oct 01st 2007
45
RE: could someone recommend me a good Beatles book?
Oct 01st 2007
55
RE: It seems unreal to think that there's only 6 years ....
Oct 03rd 2007
100
^, and i think you should anchor this on lennon's bday n/m
Oct 01st 2007
46
That can be done
Oct 01st 2007
49
Can we do a bootleg post too?
Oct 01st 2007
47
On the next round n/m
Oct 01st 2007
48
      cool
Oct 02nd 2007
63
           A bootleg discussion would be interesting
Oct 02nd 2007
70
                Yeah I got most of the DESS ones off demonoid.
Oct 02nd 2007
72
                     Dr. Ebbett's is a whole different topic entirely
Oct 02nd 2007
75
                          The German MMT is my favorite record ever.
Oct 02nd 2007
80
                               There are a few Beatles websites that could help you with that
Oct 02nd 2007
83
                                    ok, Cool
Oct 02nd 2007
84
                                         Two links of interest
Oct 02nd 2007
86
                                              Ah, thanks
Oct 02nd 2007
89
                                              RE: Two links of interest
Oct 02nd 2007
96
                                                   Bruce Spizer's books would be a place to start (link)
Oct 02nd 2007
97
Live at the BBC?
Oct 02nd 2007
71
Yes, released in 1977 (the Hollywood Bowl album, that is)
Oct 02nd 2007
76
Ah
Oct 02nd 2007
77
that's monty python
Oct 02nd 2007
78
      hmmm?
Oct 02nd 2007
82
thank you for introducing me to their catalog man... for real
Oct 02nd 2007
81
great work john.
Oct 02nd 2007
93
I wanted to be direct and to the point with the albums I listed
Oct 02nd 2007
95
      You are el hombre
Oct 03rd 2007
101
           That, and like Styx I had too much time on my hands n/m
Oct 03rd 2007
108
Up
Oct 04th 2007
109
Awesome thread John
Oct 09th 2007
113
indeed
Oct 09th 2007
114
RESPECT
Oct 09th 2007
116

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