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"30+ years in & we still can count good live hip hop acts on one hand"


  

          

I mean it's cool 15 shared some insight on the workings of the road and all but the elephant in the room is the vast majority of hip hop acts don't know how to put on a live show... and in turn don't really deserve to make a living off touring. Your average hip hop show has more in common with a personal appearance than it does a real concert. R&B shows aren't much better since they started taking marching orders from hip hop a couple decades back. An entire generation has been born and come of age without knowing what a real live show looks like... just jumping up and down or putting a drum kit, guitar and keyboard on stage qualifies as phenomenal now *SMH* It's no wonder I see these young folks on the verge of speaking in tongues at a Prince show... a lot of them didn't even know shit like that existed inside the black music world.

The base fact is we have a genre that has failed to produce more than a handful of acts that are worth seeing live. It's all well and good to have a solid business plan... but as consumers we should be more interested in being entertained than marketed to.

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30+ years in & we still can count good live hip hop acts on one hand [View all] , OldPro, Tue Nov-29-11 05:24 PM
 
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This is completely subjective. You may say less than 5, I may say
Nov 29th 2011
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Let's name 'em then
Nov 29th 2011
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      RE: Let's name 'em then
Nov 29th 2011
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           THIS is what pisses me off...
Nov 29th 2011
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           Maybe epic compared to other rap acts of the time
Nov 29th 2011
8
I've only been to a few shows in my life time
Nov 29th 2011
3
Backpack much?
Nov 29th 2011
14
atmosphere is dope live, but
Nov 29th 2011
19
I dig what you're saying...but what can they expect?
Nov 29th 2011
5
I think with hip-hop, it really all depends on the venue size
Nov 29th 2011
6
RE: I think with hip-hop, it really all depends on the venue size
Nov 29th 2011
10
Completely agree
Nov 30th 2011
37
      De La Soul?
Dec 01st 2011
119
           Have you seen them live?
Dec 12th 2011
155
what should we consider "worth" seeing live?
Nov 29th 2011
9
RE: what should we consider "worth" seeing live?
Nov 29th 2011
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RE: what should we consider "worth" seeing live?
Nov 29th 2011
18
RE: what should we consider "worth" seeing live?
Dec 01st 2011
113
The Short shelf life of most hip hop acts contributes to this
Nov 29th 2011
12
Too Short, Snoop, Quik, n Digital Und got a live band on stage
Nov 29th 2011
13
Ehh.......but...that whole "new" drums only sound = 80's Hip Hop
Nov 29th 2011
16
well then don't play live.
Nov 29th 2011
22
      i get you. i'm saying young rappers don't play live
Dec 01st 2011
122
cmon man
Nov 29th 2011
15
why Chino XL & not KRS? List is mostly quality though
Nov 29th 2011
24
i knew i'd forget some cats
Nov 30th 2011
100
this just says u aint ever seen krs live...bcz he should be #1
Dec 02nd 2011
135
      that list wasn't in order
Dec 12th 2011
153
I think rapping over an instrumental track is just so wack
Nov 29th 2011
17
you might wanna quit listening to rap music then
Nov 29th 2011
26
      I've seen a fair amount of both DJ shows and live band shows
Nov 29th 2011
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      I'd almost guarantee I've seen twice or three times as many
Nov 29th 2011
29
           Last line is 100%
Dec 02nd 2011
133
      yknow? pretty sure if u cant get wit an mc and a dj performin
Nov 30th 2011
103
The lesson doesn't want to hear it but Lupe can put on a show
Nov 29th 2011
20
^^this man speaks the truth
Nov 30th 2011
30
Hip hop artists I've seen live
Nov 29th 2011
21
THEY DONT HEAR YOU THO!!
Dec 08th 2011
152
RE: 30+ years in & we still can count good live hip hop acts on one hand
Nov 29th 2011
23
3 posts....
Nov 29th 2011
25
      ...
Nov 30th 2011
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           337 posts...
Nov 30th 2011
36
                good ol' OKP institutional humor...
Nov 30th 2011
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                     Yup ...i hate that shit. Let peeps have they say & K.I.M ...
Nov 30th 2011
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so what are the best qualities of a good/great live rap performance?
Nov 29th 2011
28
I can't count FANTASTIC ATL-based shows w/ only 1 hand.
Nov 30th 2011
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i'm salty
Nov 30th 2011
35
      Still don't have bandcamp?
Nov 30th 2011
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           nope. no bandcamp.
Dec 02nd 2011
126
Busta...
Nov 30th 2011
33
RE: Busta...
Nov 30th 2011
91
i broke it down for you already in your sweet low period post
Nov 30th 2011
34
All it really takes is a Great DJ for a rap act to have a decent show
Nov 30th 2011
39
BUSTA... but hip hop is studio music and has been since about 88
Nov 30th 2011
40
As am I
Nov 30th 2011
42
99% of these acts y'all are naming in here.....
Nov 30th 2011
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who are todays great R&B live acts?
Nov 30th 2011
43
maybe you missed this part
Nov 30th 2011
46
      To be fair, that Cab Calloway clip is from a movie.
Nov 30th 2011
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      Yeah it's kinda hard to find camera phone clips of a live Cab show lol
Nov 30th 2011
50
      thats not just cos of hip hop (though it didnt help)
Nov 30th 2011
49
           yeah, I think I mentioned before
Nov 30th 2011
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           I need to read more of his work
Nov 30th 2011
52
           now i think about it, the 00s have seen live bands come back
Nov 30th 2011
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           Mary is a good example
Nov 30th 2011
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                I've never bought the idea that Mary represented a lowering
Nov 30th 2011
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                     I saw her live in 92-93 and honestly couldn't believe what I was seeing
Nov 30th 2011
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                          I'm not saying she wasn't rough around the edge at the start
Nov 30th 2011
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                          re-energized doesn't mean moving forward
Nov 30th 2011
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                               I can't keep up with this goalpost anymore.
Nov 30th 2011
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                                    When you said this
Nov 30th 2011
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                                         re-igniting interest in a genre of declining relevance
Nov 30th 2011
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                                              Sometimes it's better to build a new house
Nov 30th 2011
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                                                   Thou sayest.
Nov 30th 2011
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                                                        Well I'm happy you guys enjoyed it
Nov 30th 2011
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                                                             NOTHING is 'positive longterm'
Nov 30th 2011
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                          RE: I saw her live in 92-93 and honestly couldn't believe what I was see...
Nov 30th 2011
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                               Where she ended up isn't the point Murph
Nov 30th 2011
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                               LOL your history is SO ....
Nov 30th 2011
72
                               I know you want to take this thing down a bunch of side streets
Nov 30th 2011
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                                    I know you'll think I'm deliberately being obtuse and contrarian here
Nov 30th 2011
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                                         RE: I know you'll think I'm deliberately being obtuse and contrarian her...
Nov 30th 2011
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                                              well, for two things....
Nov 30th 2011
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                                                   RE: well, for two things....
Nov 30th 2011
90
                                                        Doesn't this has more to do with your feelings about the music...
Nov 30th 2011
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                                                             This is some" if my aunt had a dick would she be my uncle" shit
Nov 30th 2011
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                                                             ha. you should name them
Dec 01st 2011
114
                               RE: Where she ended up isn't the point Murph
Nov 30th 2011
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                                    you can't blame hip hop for Cherrelle, Jody Watley, JANET...
Nov 30th 2011
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                               Mary's live act is pretty good nowadays, unfortunately her records
Nov 30th 2011
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           Which shows there was a standard
Nov 30th 2011
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           So you're saying that Rafael Cameron and Shalamar
Nov 30th 2011
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                You're making connections that aren't there
Dec 01st 2011
115
                     Dude... You seem confused.
Dec 01st 2011
116
                          You just keep going a long way around to avoid the truth
Dec 01st 2011
117
           RE: yeah, I think I mentioned before
Dec 08th 2011
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           RE: thats not just cos of hip hop (though it didnt help)
Nov 30th 2011
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                the technology that came around in the 80s
Nov 30th 2011
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                     You're on a chicken or the egg trip
Nov 30th 2011
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                          no dis, but your timelines often come off dodgy to me, OP
Nov 30th 2011
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                               Hip Hop was a means to an end
Nov 30th 2011
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                                    I'm not an apologist... I'm a realist.
Nov 30th 2011
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                                         Put your "sentimentalism" card away son
Nov 30th 2011
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                                              Maybe 'sentimentalism' is not the right word
Nov 30th 2011
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                                              Honestly I think you just want to argue
Nov 30th 2011
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                                                   I actually don't want to argue at all.
Nov 30th 2011
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                                                   this shit right here is just the truth...
Nov 30th 2011
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                                                        Because whites' music consumption habits
Nov 30th 2011
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                                                             That's such an easy way out
Nov 30th 2011
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                                                                  Because it's true.
Nov 30th 2011
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                                                                  RE: Because it's true.
Nov 30th 2011
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                                                                  interesting reading here.
Nov 30th 2011
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                                                                       We've just been around that topic enough over the years
Nov 30th 2011
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                                                                            Gotta disagree with that.
Nov 30th 2011
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                                                                                 Imagery has and will always have a place in popular music
Nov 30th 2011
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                                              when EWF and the other GREATS u listed
Nov 30th 2011
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                                                   There is some truth to the video comment
Nov 30th 2011
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RE: 99% of these acts y'all are naming in here.....
Nov 30th 2011
44
RE: 99% of these acts y'all are naming in here.....
Nov 30th 2011
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RE: 99% of these acts y'all are naming in here.....
Dec 01st 2011
118
      lol I love how people just say shit that flat out isn't true
Dec 01st 2011
120
           RE: lol I love how people just say shit that flat out isn't true
Dec 12th 2011
154
Rap music as a medium doesn't lend itself to good performances
Nov 30th 2011
45
Co-sign. It's very hard to enjoy most hip-hop shows unless...
Nov 30th 2011
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i think most rap shows suck personally
Nov 30th 2011
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U JUS' OLD NIGGA !
Nov 30th 2011
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One Hand??? Couldn't disagree with that part more ....
Nov 30th 2011
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I see where you're coming from OP but..
Nov 30th 2011
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RE: I see where you're coming from OP but..
Nov 30th 2011
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      True
Dec 08th 2011
149
Folks in the D was upset at that Watch The Throne show
Dec 01st 2011
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The less famous the rapper, the better the show
Dec 01st 2011
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it's 'cos there's no more black cultural spaces
Dec 02nd 2011
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^^^^
Dec 02nd 2011
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but hiphop MUST of had showmanship
Dec 02nd 2011
127
      Sure it had it once.
Dec 02nd 2011
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           how did nwords become so stiff?
Dec 02nd 2011
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           yep, we've discussed this before
Dec 02nd 2011
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           Now this is a great point
Dec 02nd 2011
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hip hop is generally just not conducive to someone caring about
Dec 02nd 2011
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HipHop was not meant to put on a good show
Dec 02nd 2011
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I was just going to post something similar
Dec 02nd 2011
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RE: HipHop was not meant to put on a good show
Dec 08th 2011
150
      Hey man just finished checking out your video
Dec 08th 2011
151
Probably because Hip-hop as a culture was meant to be interactive and co...
Dec 02nd 2011
137
A trip down memory lane lol
Dec 08th 2011
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A few hip hop acts were trying to go that rout
Dec 08th 2011
140
      Your argument is still all over the place, though.
Dec 08th 2011
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           *sigh*
Dec 08th 2011
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This post is old but...the premise is odd
Dec 08th 2011
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lol @ false assertion
Dec 08th 2011
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      RE: lol @ false assertion
Dec 08th 2011
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           We are 146 posts in
Dec 08th 2011
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                for the record
Dec 08th 2011
147
                     yeah that's probably a big factor
Dec 08th 2011
148
I like Tool's/Kanye's technique. Graphics, visuals, atmosphere.
Dec 13th 2011
156

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