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"The Evolution Of Modern Hip-Hop"


  

          

Below are definitive moments that have shaped the modern hip-hop era...Instead of leading each point with a synopsis, let's hear what you think abt these events...


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The Evolution Of Modern Hip-Hop [View all] , scorpion, Thu May-28-09 07:53 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Cop Killer Controversy
May 28th 2009
1
inspired the "Shock value sells records" era.
May 28th 2009
8
I'd put that on Efil4zaggin myself...
May 28th 2009
11
      Ice Tracy had a REALLY cool analogy about this...
May 28th 2009
13
           pretty much...
May 28th 2009
23
led to kmd getting dropped, and the eventual birth of doom
May 28th 2009
16
*DING*
May 28th 2009
22
yeah...funny how this led to the guns being pointed t/w peers.
May 28th 2009
32
Big Media is able to tar *rap* music based on "heavy metal"
May 28th 2009
49
SoundScan/Efil4zaggin
May 28th 2009
2
officially killed the Billboard charts as we knew it.
May 28th 2009
10
RE: SoundScan/Efil4zaggin
May 28th 2009
28
the coolest thing to be in the whole wide world is a n***a...
May 28th 2009
31
Realest shit ever posted.
May 28th 2009
86
brought currrency to the idea that 80% of white kids buy rap
May 28th 2009
50
*DING*
May 28th 2009
64
From then on, a dope album wasn't enough anymore.
May 28th 2009
109
The first example of major industry hype/buzz over actual material
May 29th 2009
178
killed "the golden era" of hiphop
May 30th 2009
189
      You are correct, sir...
May 30th 2009
194
           Not really.
May 31st 2009
208
                will.i.am's production discography says otherwise....
May 31st 2009
209
Gilbert O'Sullivan vs. Biz Markie
May 28th 2009
3
Sample clearance changes the production game forever.
May 28th 2009
14
that works TWO ways though.
May 28th 2009
24
But the musicians who played for James Brown
May 28th 2009
42
      yeah, they did...
May 28th 2009
96
killled (and revived**) creativity in beatmaking. the 4 bar myth
May 30th 2009
199
RE: Gilbert O'Sullivan vs. Biz Markie
May 28th 2009
18
inadvertently makes some hip hop fans prefer small chops
May 28th 2009
51
RE: Gilbert O'Sullivan vs. Biz Markie
May 28th 2009
71
The Chronic/Doggystyle
May 28th 2009
4
The sun rises in the West and sets in the East... New York salty.
May 28th 2009
15
also the reason why Illmatic was deemed a classic
May 28th 2009
17
When I look through my old issues of The Source from 93/94
May 28th 2009
44
Dre made the whole East Coast smack their foreheads with G Thang.
May 28th 2009
112
      LMAO.
May 29th 2009
173
ends the east coast/sample heavy beat hegemony
May 28th 2009
52
RE: The Chronic/Doggystyle
May 28th 2009
72
Enter The 36 Chambers
May 28th 2009
5
Inspired the 'Movement' phase in lots of groups.
May 28th 2009
20
the beginning of NY's Keep It Real era...
May 28th 2009
26
I kinda think Das Efx and Black Moon were more responsible for that
May 28th 2009
47
      agreed
May 28th 2009
73
      I'd replace Black moon with Onyx in that statement
May 28th 2009
79
           Wu-Tang put the stamp on it...they crossed over to the mainstream
May 28th 2009
80
                Didn't Das EFX go plat?
May 28th 2009
98
                yup...and the follow up may have gone gold
May 28th 2009
100
                Bacdafucup is certified double platinum.
May 28th 2009
110
                     very true...
May 28th 2009
111
                          Not really, All We Got Iz Us went Gold....
May 28th 2009
113
                               RE: Not really, All We Got Iz Us went Gold....
May 29th 2009
153
it also took "using a Crew name as a Brand" to the next level.
May 28th 2009
27
      Would you guys say that ...
May 28th 2009
38
           what do YOU think?
May 28th 2009
43
                I would think so.
May 28th 2009
59
continues PE style iconography
May 28th 2009
53
the crew/solo deals thing was huge...
May 28th 2009
97
RE: Enter The 36 Chambers
May 28th 2009
76
Puffy/Ready To Die
May 28th 2009
6
'ready to die' led to puffy's rise as an influential public figure
May 28th 2009
21
Ready To Die is STILL the blueprint for modern hip-hop albums
May 28th 2009
29
      very true
May 28th 2009
33
      it was pac's formula originally though
May 28th 2009
34
           i don't know
May 28th 2009
35
           that was a point of contention between pac & biggie
May 28th 2009
39
                so you're basing this purely on 2pac's mid-beef words?
May 28th 2009
45
                     i'm basin' it on his music
May 28th 2009
48
                          RE: i'm basin' it on his music
May 28th 2009
118
                               ^^forgot pac shot two cops and raped a broad before me against the world
May 28th 2009
126
                               RE: ^^truth
May 29th 2009
145
                               RE: ^^forgot pac shot two cops and raped a broad before me against the w...
Jun 01st 2009
210
                                    ^^^^voted against me in the soundclash w/o listenin'
Jun 01st 2009
212
                               you didn't know about 2pacolypse now?
May 31st 2009
206
           no. it wasnt.
May 28th 2009
36
                ^^^revisionist
May 28th 2009
40
      I say that "Life After Death" is the blueprint for modern hip hop albums...
May 30th 2009
183
      I would like to also add this co-opted "conscious" rap.
May 30th 2009
192
East Coast caves into the West by featuring more R&B
May 28th 2009
54
I saw it as caving in by tryna outgangster the West...
May 28th 2009
63
I've never seen anyone stretch their 15 minutes like Puff did...
May 28th 2009
136
Tupac/Thug Life
May 28th 2009
7
led to the recent death of dolla
May 28th 2009
30
destroys braggadocio and moves hip hop lyricism to "truth telling"
May 28th 2009
56
RE: destroys braggadocio and moves hip hop lyricism to "truth telling"
May 28th 2009
119
rappers as sex symbols
May 30th 2009
190
      And Lil Wayne is one of the biggest beneficiaries of that.
May 30th 2009
191
      BINGO
May 30th 2009
193
      RE: rappers as sex symbols
May 30th 2009
200
           morseso "unrefined' or "thug" rappers as sex symbols....
May 30th 2009
202
50 Cent vs. Ja Rule/GRODT
May 28th 2009
9
this one is two fold...
May 28th 2009
12
The pimping of Black dysfunction...
May 28th 2009
19
      that 21st century minstrel
May 28th 2009
25
      Really? I thought it was called marketing...learn something new
May 28th 2009
90
           RE: Really? I thought it was called marketing...learn something new
May 28th 2009
120
                So I guess Denzel was cooning in "Training Day" too huh?
May 29th 2009
164
                     which role did he win an oscar for, again?
May 30th 2009
201
                     RE: So I guess Denzel was cooning in "Training Day" too huh?
Jun 01st 2009
211
      RE: The pimping of Black dysfunction...
May 28th 2009
121
      Black men lost.
May 29th 2009
177
big budget beef/the final capitulation of the East Coast
May 28th 2009
57
RE: 50 Cent vs. Ja Rule/GRODT
May 28th 2009
74
Birthed manufactured beefs
May 28th 2009
142
50 Cent took the mixtape away from DJs and gave it to MCs...
May 30th 2009
197
      And that is why he is a legend.
May 30th 2009
203
Forgot one: The Death of Biggie/The Rise of Jay-Z
May 28th 2009
37
led to the dispute of kingship
May 28th 2009
41
*DING* (c) Scorpion
May 28th 2009
108
i covered the death of biggie in another reply
May 28th 2009
55
Sellign crack for fun and for profit....
May 28th 2009
61
      could you say this about cuban linx?
May 28th 2009
77
      it did come first...
May 28th 2009
89
           agree on cuban linx
May 28th 2009
92
                Jay used this present tense, too....
May 28th 2009
95
                You actually right.
May 29th 2009
182
      WOW...
May 28th 2009
91
           haha he was being sarcastic...
May 28th 2009
140
                Also, why's this guy acting like Reasonable Doubt took over the world..
May 31st 2009
207
It lead to the laying of the foundation for "swagger" rap
May 29th 2009
174
not to hate but half of these events dont seem all that 'modern'.
May 28th 2009
46
but they all shaped 'modern' hip hop, no?
May 28th 2009
58
yeah
May 28th 2009
62
      then dont read the post.
May 28th 2009
65
           great answer.
May 28th 2009
66
modern would include 3 Stack's record and Kanye
May 28th 2009
60
how is 2 Live crew not in this post?
May 28th 2009
67
Arguably the Body Count era covers them
May 28th 2009
68
2 Live Crew escaped unscathed after their obscenity trial...
May 28th 2009
69
      and as ridiculous as it sounds, I actually GAINED respect for them.
May 28th 2009
85
           It was the People vs. Larry Flint of hip hop.
May 28th 2009
93
The Source/Almighty RSO faisco of 1994
May 28th 2009
70
RE: The Source/Almighty RSO faisco of 1994
May 28th 2009
75
a certain female journalist thwarted hip-hop journalism...
May 28th 2009
82
      RE: a certain female journalist thwarted hip-hop journalism...
May 28th 2009
94
      Soledad O'Brien isn't poppin it off with Ahmadinejad
May 29th 2009
148
      dreeeeeam onnnnn, dreeeeam awaaaay (c) color me badd
May 28th 2009
99
      *replies to this in all lower case letters*
May 28th 2009
104
showed the world that you can buy props.
May 28th 2009
81
      they bought SOURCE love....the people didnt fall for it, tho...
May 28th 2009
83
           It iddn't work for RSO, but it worked for others
May 28th 2009
84
                I pays for it like the mics in The Source (C) Jay Dilla
May 28th 2009
87
The MixTape Boom
May 28th 2009
78
mixtapes used to be a source of having songs...
May 28th 2009
88
That's too general, it goes back to one person....DJ Clue.
May 28th 2009
114
there are 2 kinds of important mixtapes
May 28th 2009
115
      #2 evolved from #1 tho.
May 28th 2009
117
           true indeed, but #1 been happening
May 28th 2009
122
                Very true, I listen to more "mixtapes" than albums these days.
May 28th 2009
123
see 50 Cent
May 30th 2009
196
swizz beats making synthesizer beats the sound of NY
May 28th 2009
101
Isn't he from Atlanta?
May 28th 2009
106
      he lived there for a while
May 28th 2009
124
kanye taking backpack rap to the mainstream
May 28th 2009
102
actually I'd give Kweli and Pharoahe Monch more credit for that.
May 28th 2009
103
RE: actually I'd give Kweli and Pharoahe Monch more credit for that.
May 28th 2009
107
such as?
May 28th 2009
125
Naw, at first Kanye was Backpack Rap for Dummies
May 28th 2009
116
      so that'd make Ye the smartest of all them.
May 28th 2009
132
           nah. maybe the most commercially accesible.
May 28th 2009
135
kanye becoming the popular notion of what backpack rap is
May 28th 2009
105
Ultimately, Ye didn't really have much of an effect on backpack rap
May 28th 2009
143
Where does Master P, Cash Money Millionaires, and Lil Jon fit in?
May 28th 2009
127
The Geto Boys and 2 Live Crew are REAL mad at you...
May 28th 2009
128
Master P or Lil Jon aint done nothin in a minute.
May 28th 2009
131
      fair enough, but here's what I'm saying.
May 28th 2009
134
           They opened the door for the South in general, we talkin modern tho.
May 28th 2009
137
The enshrinement of the concept of 'hip-hop as hustle'
May 29th 2009
155
      BULLS-EYE
May 30th 2009
184
good post scorp
May 28th 2009
129
thanks, man
May 28th 2009
130
ARCHIVE this restores my faith back in the Lesson
May 28th 2009
133
non-issues? things that didn't affect the evolution
May 28th 2009
138
All the stuff that folks scream will "kill hip-hop."
May 28th 2009
141
Rawkus records
May 28th 2009
144
This is a great post. Definite archive.
May 28th 2009
139
Takeover/Ether
May 29th 2009
146
1991 - BIZ MARKIE "I NEED A HAIRCUT" (ALONE AGAIN SAMPLE LAWSUIT)
May 29th 2009
147
#3.
May 29th 2009
152
shit, lol
May 30th 2009
187
Also, IMO, his best album...by about 2 laps
May 29th 2009
179
      production wise it might be my favorite.. beats were raw as hell...
May 30th 2009
188
The Jungle Brothers & Ultramagnetic MCs Bringing The Weirdness In Rap
May 29th 2009
149
I thought the new cat in the JBs was named Torcha or something like that...
May 29th 2009
157
      Torture Was One Of His Aliases As Well
May 29th 2009
170
timbaland
May 29th 2009
150
I'm trying to remember when T&A videos started becoming the norm.
May 29th 2009
151
sidepost: my boys were in New York once,
May 29th 2009
154
Ha... What year did this happen?
May 29th 2009
156
      around 96 or 97
May 29th 2009
165
I would say Hype's golden era ia prolly when this happened...
May 29th 2009
158
Yeah, Hype brought the Video Hoefessional to the game....
May 29th 2009
176
are you taumbout Misa Hilton-Brim?....Puff's ex...
May 29th 2009
159
Not Misa
May 29th 2009
161
When folks accused Tip of being gay.
May 29th 2009
160
I'm gonna say 2 Live Crew's "Pop That Coochie"
May 29th 2009
166
That wasn't the norm, though... and it didn't create a trend.
May 29th 2009
167
      you dont think Holla Holla was it?
May 29th 2009
168
           It might have been.
May 29th 2009
169
2 Live Crew 'Move Something'
May 29th 2009
181
Blondie
May 29th 2009
162
is it relevant to modern history, or just the history of hip hop?
May 29th 2009
163
I maintain Puff's remix of Jodeci's "Come and Talk to Me"...
May 29th 2009
171
can't speak on evolution w/o death taking place...
May 29th 2009
172
BIG has been discussed
May 30th 2009
186
D.O.C.'s accident
May 30th 2009
195
Canibus's failure to deliver "that" album.
May 29th 2009
175
Good one.
May 30th 2009
185
Professor Griff's ousting from Public Enemy....
May 29th 2009
180
you and The Doc might be the only ones in this boat
May 30th 2009
198
      Naw, I'm with both of yall on Griff's solo contributions. They were dope
May 30th 2009
204
young dummys get in here and read this shit..
May 31st 2009
205
^^^
Jun 23rd 2009
213

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