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"The "Girl" Song ain't always necessary...."


          

Inspired by Quez's post regarding "Go" as Com's next single, and more importantly, by a project that Khrysis is working on with a young cat from the Bronx....

So Khrysis comes to the crib last night and plays me 13 tracks from this young cat he's working with outta the Bronx. Most of his album is straight street shit, but not without insight, intelligence, and most importantly, skill. The nigga is knockin' em out the park for the whole album until track 12 comes on, and I shake my head in desperation.

Another street MC who has fallen victim to the biggest album trap since the Busta cameo: the "girl" song.

Now, I know this may seem funny coming from a cat who's group made waves off the strength of one such song, but on some real shit, "y'all" liked "Whatever You Say" waaaay more than me, Pooh, and 9th ever did. Not to say that we disliked it, its just that we were REAL surprised at the feedback it got. We'd always envisioned that one as a cool little "album joint."

But listening to dude's album got me to thinking about albums like "Illmatic" that were successful WITHOUT a girl song, or even an album like "The Documentary, " where the absolute WORST song on his shit was a pandering ass "girl" joint ("Special," the OTHER Nate Dogg joint....).

It really got me to thinking that "girly" joints are really fucking unncessary most of the time. There's more than one way to make a single that appeals to females without blatantly pandering to them. (Note: "Minstrel Show" does contain ONE girl song, but it is nowhere near as juvenile as "Whatever You Say," nor is it slated to be one of our singles.....as of right now....).

I guess my advice to up and coming emcees is to just DO YOU. If you're a drug dealing murderer in real life and just happen to rap in between drug transactions, I would rather hear you go hard on 12 tracks of pure unbridled thuggery, rather than:

4 "street" tracks
4 "club" tracks
4 "girl" tracks

I think fans fucked the game up when they started demanding "diversity" from niggas, and started asking cats to "grow."
So now, you have cats like Jada doing "Why?" and Kweli doing "Never Been In Love" (which I like, btw, but I can name several other cats who's attempts to show their "range" have been less than successful).

I don't go to Mickey D's and ask for filet mignon. Nor do I go to a Kobe beef house in Japan and ask for a double cheeseburger.

The point is, just do the best you and stick to whatever THAT is. And if "girl" or "club" joints ain't your forte, then don't force it. Because the average rap fan ain't as dumb as you think, and niggas can tell when some shit ain't genuine.

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The "Girl" Song ain't always necessary.... [View all] , taygravy, Sun Apr-24-05 12:06 AM
 
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RE: Great advise, I agree...
Apr 19th 2005
1
is it ever necessary?
Apr 19th 2005
2
imagine Tribe's catalog without em
Apr 19th 2005
8
      imagine mobb deep's with them n/m
Apr 19th 2005
10
      yeah, that "Hey Luv" shit w/112 was painful......n/m
Apr 19th 2005
12
      that shit epitomizes this post.
Apr 20th 2005
90
      I think
Apr 20th 2005
104
      look man, everytime i think i've forgotten that MOP/LFO bullshit
Apr 20th 2005
106
      but see I liked it & it made me want to buy thealbum
Apr 27th 2005
205
           you're making my point for me
Apr 27th 2005
206
                maybe they were trying to grow
Apr 27th 2005
208
      well yeah.. i'm not saying they're always necessary
Apr 19th 2005
14
      but 'electric relaxation' & 'bonita...' were so great...
Apr 20th 2005
60
           Tribe made half they music talking directly ta chicks
Apr 22nd 2005
159
      Chauch!!!!!
Apr 19th 2005
42
           i remember reading/hearing
Apr 19th 2005
46
           Wow, that's even worse....
Apr 20th 2005
119
           that was his real wife! lol n/m
Apr 20th 2005
86
                didn't she spit on HNIC too?
Apr 20th 2005
117
      those joints didn't really "stick out" so much
Apr 19th 2005
18
           Tribe's albums usually only had one
Apr 19th 2005
21
                true.
Apr 19th 2005
22
RE: The "Girl" Song ain't always necessary....
Apr 19th 2005
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RE: ^^^^ true story ^^^^
Apr 19th 2005
5
RE: The "Girl" Song ain't always necessary....
Apr 19th 2005
4
I've said that shit for years...
Apr 19th 2005
6
**hi-five**
Apr 19th 2005
7
from your (keyboard strokes) to God's (eyes)
Apr 19th 2005
9
"Why" is a bad example
Apr 19th 2005
11
RE: "Why" is a bad example
Apr 19th 2005
13
i hear ya.
Apr 19th 2005
17
Really...
Apr 19th 2005
35
      kiss of death is heat!
Apr 20th 2005
87
RE: "Why" is a bad example
Apr 19th 2005
15
well i'm not really a fan of Kweli's work past Black Star
Apr 19th 2005
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      RE: well i'm not really a fan of Kweli's work past Black Star
Apr 19th 2005
24
           certain songs here and there i like a lot
Apr 19th 2005
31
that song Jada did w/ Mariah on the hook is another example
Apr 19th 2005
34
      RE: that song Jada did w/ Mariah on the hook is another example
Apr 19th 2005
37
           Good Lord, that song is bad
Apr 20th 2005
95
powerful post, doggie
Apr 19th 2005
16
*turns up "So many rappers in love" by Westside Connection*
Apr 19th 2005
20
RE: The "Girl" Song ain't always necessary....
Apr 19th 2005
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RE: The "Girl" Song ain't always necessary....
Apr 19th 2005
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RE: The "Girl" Song ain't always necessary....
Apr 20th 2005
115
Who's the Bronx kid?
Apr 19th 2005
26
I'm guessing he's talking about Chaundon.
Apr 19th 2005
39
the away team album is a killer
Apr 19th 2005
41
Haven't peeped it yet.
Apr 19th 2005
47
nah not chaundon
Apr 20th 2005
88
RE: Who's the Bronx kid?
Apr 19th 2005
48
      was that guy on 106 with jin on freestyle friday?
Apr 19th 2005
55
      ha...i was thinkin the exact same thing
Apr 19th 2005
57
      The guy who got ROASTED in front of Missy, Tim and Tweet.
Apr 20th 2005
84
           RE: The guy who got ROASTED in front of Missy, Tim and Tweet.
Apr 20th 2005
85
           oh word it was that guy?
Apr 20th 2005
92
           you rap like AJ's dreads dog...
Apr 20th 2005
114
      RE: Who's the Bronx kid?
Apr 21st 2005
125
the girl song is a symptom of the issue
Apr 19th 2005
27
Yup, this is really the truth of it
Apr 19th 2005
29
I agree
Apr 19th 2005
43
RE: I agree
Apr 20th 2005
70
lol @ being able to tell who's genuine n/m
Apr 19th 2005
54
      word
Apr 20th 2005
71
this post applies to Interscope
Apr 19th 2005
28
Hey!!! Aren't you that guy?!!! I mean...THAT GUY!
Apr 19th 2005
30
amen
Apr 19th 2005
32
i thought you were hating on 9th
Apr 19th 2005
33
it's all about how you flip it though
Apr 19th 2005
36
RE: it's all about how you flip it though
Apr 19th 2005
50
      I Need a Fix
Apr 20th 2005
91
fuck that, rap for the bitches
Apr 19th 2005
38
RE: fuck that, rap for the bitches
Apr 20th 2005
59
RE: The "Girl" Song ain't always necessary....
Apr 19th 2005
40
The deal is
Apr 19th 2005
44
Im sick of 50 and all these girl songs he dropin as singles
Apr 19th 2005
45
RE: Im sick of 50 and all these girl songs he dropin as singles
Apr 19th 2005
49
      yeah, why the fuck is he doing that?
Apr 19th 2005
56
I am kinda an advocate of the "girl" song
Apr 19th 2005
51
i too enjoy "girl" tracks
Apr 19th 2005
53
      RE: i too enjoy "girl" tracks
Apr 20th 2005
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Here here!
Apr 19th 2005
52
Sky Zoo is piff..
Apr 20th 2005
58
they tryin' to phase us out!!
Apr 20th 2005
78
      Exactly! This Hiphop shit is getting to be way too much for the kids..
Apr 20th 2005
94
      ^^^Gospel
Apr 20th 2005
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           i'm sayin' man...cats don't even understand...
Apr 20th 2005
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RE: The "Girl" Song ain't always necessary....
Apr 20th 2005
61
Mannnnn, GOD made you write this...
Apr 20th 2005
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here, here! but...
Apr 20th 2005
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'whatever you say' can be sorta seen as an anti-girl joint, tho'.
Apr 20th 2005
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agreed BUT
Apr 20th 2005
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RE: The "Girl" Song ain't always necessary....
Apr 20th 2005
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RE: The "Girl" Song ain't always necessary....
Apr 20th 2005
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      yeah, but...
Apr 20th 2005
102
it ain't about what you want.
Apr 20th 2005
68
big names sell
Apr 20th 2005
89
When will they ever learn...?
Apr 20th 2005
69
I agree and disagree.
Apr 20th 2005
72
Why did I initially think you were dissing your boy though?
Apr 20th 2005
73
Me too... but directed at the 'yonce in a backhanded way.
Apr 20th 2005
76
      is it because you should be only counting on 1 hand once its toward 10?
Apr 20th 2005
122
go tell De La this
Apr 20th 2005
74
WHAT KINNA WOMAN HATING SHIT IS THIS TAYTAY?!?!?!?
Apr 20th 2005
75
lol
Apr 20th 2005
77
are you serious?
Apr 20th 2005
101
      i'm so sincurr
Apr 21st 2005
134
           well, fire.....
Apr 21st 2005
143
                i'll try and take a stab at this
Apr 22nd 2005
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                point well stated.....n/m
Apr 22nd 2005
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                cosign to the nth
Apr 22nd 2005
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                RE: i'll try and take a stab at this
Apr 24th 2005
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                RE: well, fire.....
Apr 23rd 2005
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RE: The "Girl" Song ain't always necessary....
Apr 20th 2005
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I dont blame the fans...
Apr 20th 2005
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2 things ...
Apr 20th 2005
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RE: 2 things ...
Apr 20th 2005
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      RE: 2 things ...
Apr 20th 2005
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           ahhh The Light
Apr 21st 2005
135
                speaking of the light
Apr 24th 2005
187
drug dealing murderer - LOL. couldn't resist the sarcasm, huh?
Apr 20th 2005
82
"Baby Phat" was dope....
Apr 20th 2005
109
      RE: "Baby Phat" was dope...
Apr 20th 2005
111
           RE: "Baby Phat" was dope...
Apr 20th 2005
112
but those girls buy the cd's... i just know if im gonna make one
Apr 20th 2005
83
aint nobody checkin for no che grand love song
Apr 20th 2005
124
      they are trust me, theyre checkin for everything i do
Apr 21st 2005
126
exactly... i mean niggas gotta eat... but some cats just cant pull it of...
Apr 20th 2005
93
i told yall, backpackers think girls are icky
Apr 20th 2005
97
^^^totally missed the point
Apr 20th 2005
98
PB&J
Apr 20th 2005
118
      he did..a bitch is a bitch
Apr 21st 2005
127
           a Bitch Iz A Bitch hardly qualifies
Apr 21st 2005
141
           see, you're stereotypin'...
Apr 22nd 2005
156
                that's now how The Doc read tay's post though...
Apr 22nd 2005
173
           this is why people say you're a shock poster
Apr 22nd 2005
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                i made a post called girls are icky, and it was an attempt at lightheart...
Apr 23rd 2005
186
I am The Wordman and I support this post
Apr 20th 2005
99
couldn't of said it better myself
Apr 20th 2005
100
Apr 20th 2005
110
thats why i did "L.G.B.N.A.F. 2005"
Apr 20th 2005
113
this nigga's silly
Apr 20th 2005
120
lucky i dont got a link lol
Apr 21st 2005
133
THAT SONG GOT ME PUSSY...thank you
Apr 22nd 2005
152
RE: The "Girl" Song ain't always necessary....
Apr 20th 2005
116
this post is the worst advice ever given by a rapper...not piff
Apr 20th 2005
121
It's funny how ....
Apr 21st 2005
131
HAVE THEY SOLD MORE THAN BIGGIE OR TUPAC?
Apr 21st 2005
132
      Has nothing to do with them.
Apr 21st 2005
136
           i've never tried to sell a record, or record one for that matter
Apr 21st 2005
137
                Unhappy?
Apr 21st 2005
138
RE: this post is the worst advice ever given by a rapper...not piff
Apr 21st 2005
142
      Snap.
Apr 22nd 2005
145
      THIS POST IS OVER.
Apr 22nd 2005
146
      "what more can I say?????" (c) Hov
Apr 22nd 2005
147
      Ohhh shit
Apr 22nd 2005
150
      son, i don't have to try very hard to discredit your advice
Apr 22nd 2005
153
      RE: son, i don't have to try very hard to discredit your advice
Apr 22nd 2005
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           so other niggas can make songs to mimic, to capture that feelin'
Apr 22nd 2005
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           RE: son, i don't have to try very hard to discredit your advice
Apr 23rd 2005
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      Damn.
Apr 22nd 2005
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      the best shit since "make my beats faggot!"...
Apr 22nd 2005
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      LOL
Apr 22nd 2005
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      LOL
Apr 22nd 2005
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      lol that was pretty extra
Apr 22nd 2005
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           lol, building blocked
Apr 23rd 2005
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Apr 24th 2005
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RE: The "Girl" Song ain't always necessary....
Apr 20th 2005
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Love change Darling - feat Big Pooh and Joe Scudda
Apr 21st 2005
129
females buy more music than males.
Apr 21st 2005
128
RE: females buy more music than males.
Apr 21st 2005
130
RE: retitle
Apr 21st 2005
139
block is sounding like a fuckin' hater........n/m
Apr 21st 2005
140
      you ain't know? hatehatehatehatehate
Apr 22nd 2005
154
      buildingblock = the next Will High of OKP.
Apr 22nd 2005
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      you ain't know? hatehatehatehatehate
Apr 22nd 2005
155
           slow down, hit the button once, it will post, i promise.
Apr 22nd 2005
158
           you ain't worth the ink, homie...
Apr 22nd 2005
161
                nigga you JUST got put on...it wasn't that long ago you was at the fry c...
Apr 22nd 2005
169
                RE: nigga you JUST got put on...it wasn't that long ago you was at the f...
Apr 22nd 2005
171
                interesting
Apr 23rd 2005
176
                was that a subliminal diss towards me?!
Apr 24th 2005
200
i thought this was about that joe budden piece in vibe.
Apr 22nd 2005
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im a relationship rapper.... a love rapper even
Apr 22nd 2005
148
not to dickride
Apr 24th 2005
190
RE: The "Girl" Song ain't always necessary....
Apr 22nd 2005
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ive BEEN sayin that! good shit
Apr 22nd 2005
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ahhhhh....was waiting for someone to mention FE
Apr 24th 2005
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RE: The "Girl" Song ain't always necessary....
Apr 23rd 2005
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wow
Apr 23rd 2005
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but you blithely misread what he said
Apr 23rd 2005
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Please
Apr 25th 2005
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      so sayin' ones advice is bad is hatin'? wow
Apr 25th 2005
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           His advice is good plus it's HIS advice
Apr 25th 2005
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                until he goes plat, his advice ain't as good as biggie's or pacs
Apr 27th 2005
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thanks for the support, man.
Apr 24th 2005
199
"Special" almost kiled the documentary for me...
Apr 23rd 2005
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RE: The "Girl" Song ain't always necessary....
Apr 23rd 2005
179
this post makes me wanna give my
Apr 23rd 2005
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its obvious the okp artist rule is:
Apr 23rd 2005
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it's funny how tay went from being an OKP to an "OKP artist"
Apr 24th 2005
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i never said he was an okp artist
Apr 24th 2005
192
I'm missing something...Phonte never said mc's shouldn't do girl songs
Apr 24th 2005
194
I was wondering when someone was gonna bring the FE project in...
Apr 24th 2005
191
their are 3 DISTINCT kinds of okayplayers in this post
Apr 24th 2005
195
ya know
Apr 24th 2005
197
      Block has the Lesson mass on lock
Apr 25th 2005
202
some good points.
Apr 27th 2005
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