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Motown was about presenting poppy black music. meaning polishpolishpolish. early stevie and marvin was str8 up targeted to black folks but filtered through an aesthetic that didnt run off white folk who as a whole couldnt digest the rawness of raw soul. i played some syl johnson on me show today, the track 'is it because i'm black?' this song wda neva come out of motown on the main label, maybe tamla ala eddie kendricks 'my people hold on' but neva the blue label. and to compare those two songs, i 'ont think motown woulda touched syl's song with a mile long pole even with the tamla label in early '70s.

Aretha was soul in the late 60s and the cats backing her had more soul than was coming out of detroit and they were white.

Otis was on some ol jukejoint type soul. str8 raw. white ppl as a whole to this day are scared of that energy.




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>Otis put his mojo right out
>in front. He wasn't trained
>how to hold the mike
>or how to stand on
>stage. He was raw,
>church soul. Marvin's father
>was a sanctified preacher so
>he came from the same
>root as Otis. But, his
>desire was to present himself
>in a less threatening less
>masculine manner. This was fostered
>by Mowtown and it was
>successful at getting crossover success.
>
>
>
>Remember that Otis got crossover success
>with the hippie-love crowd who
>rejected the poofy poodle skirt
>and big hair style.



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Soul....Mr. Coolidge's take [View all] , Warren Coolidge, Wed Feb-20-02 09:57 AM
 
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Well written and objective...
Feb 20th 2002
1
youre kinda agreeing with
Feb 20th 2002
2
      true...
Feb 20th 2002
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           RE: true...
Feb 20th 2002
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           i wonder...
Feb 20th 2002
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                You did say it...
Feb 20th 2002
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                because
Feb 20th 2002
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                RE: i wonder...
Feb 21st 2002
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it's obvious they had pop
Feb 20th 2002
5
RE: it's obvious they had pop
Feb 20th 2002
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      Exactly...
Feb 20th 2002
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      Ha ha !!!!!!!
Feb 20th 2002
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James Brown...
Feb 20th 2002
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RE: James Brown...
Feb 20th 2002
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RE: James Brown...
Vinegar
Feb 20th 2002
12
As was yours my dear-a
Feb 20th 2002
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      mutual masturbation
Feb 20th 2002
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      RE: mutual masturbation
Vinegar
Feb 20th 2002
29
      Whoop, whoop !!!!
Feb 20th 2002
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           why...
Feb 20th 2002
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                why...
Feb 20th 2002
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                     look. not a person
Feb 20th 2002
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                          karen, w/her skinny ass
Vinegar
Feb 20th 2002
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                               Look,
Feb 20th 2002
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straight ignorance
Feb 20th 2002
15
      The terms are confused.
Feb 20th 2002
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           RE: The terms are confused.
Feb 20th 2002
28
           hotthyng and afkap are our leaders
Vinegar
Feb 20th 2002
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           RE: hotthyng and afkap are our leaders
Feb 20th 2002
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           My definitions aren't law.
Feb 20th 2002
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           please do the
Feb 20th 2002
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                No.
Feb 20th 2002
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RE: Soul....Mr. Coolidge's take
Feb 20th 2002
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I agree actually with
Feb 20th 2002
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      3 questions.
Feb 20th 2002
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      RE: 3 questions.
Feb 20th 2002
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      Have you heard any of those songs?
Feb 20th 2002
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           RE: Have you heard any of those songs?
Feb 20th 2002
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           What is R&B about that song?
Feb 20th 2002
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           RE: Have you heard any of those songs?
Feb 20th 2002
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      stabbing
Vinegar
Feb 20th 2002
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           RE: stabbing
Feb 20th 2002
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           !!!!
Feb 20th 2002
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                he said:
Vinegar
Feb 20th 2002
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                     But...
Feb 20th 2002
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           Stomping.
Feb 20th 2002
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                it sounds like american roots music
Vinegar
Feb 20th 2002
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                     RE: it sounds like american roots music
Feb 20th 2002
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                          RE: it sounds like american roots music
Vinegar
Feb 20th 2002
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                               No backing vocals.
Feb 20th 2002
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                                    i swear there are some other vocals
Vinegar
Feb 20th 2002
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                                         I dunno.
Feb 20th 2002
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                                              & i'm no beatles connoiseur
Vinegar
Feb 20th 2002
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                                                   Me too.
Feb 20th 2002
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      RE: I agree actually with
Feb 20th 2002
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This has nothing to do w/anything, either.
Feb 20th 2002
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you're not looking hard
Feb 20th 2002
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      Okay.
Feb 20th 2002
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      you're splitting hairs
Feb 20th 2002
40
           I understand Afkap so much more now.
Feb 20th 2002
47
                If you want to use
Feb 20th 2002
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      RE: you're not looking hard
Feb 20th 2002
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           most of the genres
Feb 20th 2002
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           U're totally off base.
Feb 20th 2002
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           RE: U're totally off base.
Feb 20th 2002
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                I still think you're not understanding.
Feb 20th 2002
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                     I over-stand perfectly...
Feb 20th 2002
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                          Makes it easier to talk about music.
Feb 20th 2002
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                               u're wrong.
Vinegar
Feb 20th 2002
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                                    well, that's us.
Feb 20th 2002
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           RE: most of the genres
Feb 20th 2002
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                not really lumping...
Feb 20th 2002
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           RE: you're not looking hard
Feb 20th 2002
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Honestly
Feb 20th 2002
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When u get right down to it....
Feb 20th 2002
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Maybe you should let it go.
Feb 20th 2002
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      RE: Maybe you should let it go.
Feb 20th 2002
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           Johnny Cash
Feb 20th 2002
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           RE: Johnny Cash
Feb 20th 2002
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           Enough.
Feb 20th 2002
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                RE: Enough.
Feb 20th 2002
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                     this post is done
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                          He defies categorization.
Feb 20th 2002
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                               RE: He defies categorization.
Feb 20th 2002
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                               RE: He defies categorization.
Feb 20th 2002
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                                    RE: He defies categorization.
Vinegar
Feb 20th 2002
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                                    The majority IS NOT Soul.
Feb 20th 2002
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                                         RE: The majority IS NOT Soul.
Feb 20th 2002
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                                              Splitting hairs? Not hardly.
Feb 20th 2002
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                                                   RE: Splitting hairs? Not hardly.
Feb 21st 2002
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                                                        RE: Splitting hairs? Not hardly.
Vinegar
Feb 21st 2002
98
                               isn't soul, r&b?.
Vinegar
Feb 20th 2002
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                                    Yes.
Feb 20th 2002
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                                         i'm trying to be funny
Vinegar
Feb 20th 2002
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                                              RE: i'm trying to be funny
Feb 20th 2002
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                                              okay!
Feb 20th 2002
93
                                              It's bliss.
Feb 20th 2002
94

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