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244. "How do you feel about this album in 2016?"
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I've always liked it, but it came out right as I was getting out of the habit of writing about music, so I never addressed it much and let it sort of float away from me the way all new music did in 2014/2015, just going back to it every once in a while without any real intent other than listening to a Roots album I wasn't as familiar with as the others. Anyway, I've been listening to it all afternoon and I think it's pretty incredible as a thing to think about (I also felt this way about undun, for the record) but also think it undoes itself from being a classic with some bad musical choices that are even more striking on a 30 minute kinda-EP.

8.41/10

(all caps inserted where there were italics, except for album titles cause that's too much work)

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Collage artwork looms large over this album as both a concept and a rule. The cover art, licensed from perhaps the most famous collage artist in the history of the form - coincidentally, Romare Bearden was also a pioneer for civil rights reform in Harlem - composes the images of two men from the fragments of as many as fifteen different faces, from light to dark skin, full color to monochrome. The two men age from cranium to jawline back and forth across the spectrum of oldhead and babyface, two phrases which themselves pose an interesting juxtaposition: age has a way of removing the familiar features of your face, wiping away what makes you cute and charming and vibrant in favor of meat atop passageways atop bone atop...

Is it a coincidence that ...And Then You Shoot Your Cousin came from The Roots' braintrust at the same time their Tonight Show cemented itself as the country's favorite destination for late night reprieve from the woes of the world, a place where Donald Trump could go to have his hair ruffled as the band responsible for songs such as "False Media" smiled silently in anticipation of the next commercial break where they'd play rearrangements of funk and soul standards?

undun was, is, to be frank and for all its imperfections, one of the most bold and astonishing recordings in hip-hop history. I still have no idea whether its duality was on purpose, but ...And Then You Shoot Your Cousin has me leaning ever more severely towards yes, yes most certainly. In its execution, this album takes a different tact, allowing the band to fracture into more traditional roles, but it is even more incredible for it. The Roots offer a rumination on what it means for soul-rap, skinny jeans pioneer Kanye West to be primarily a trap artist in 2016; what it means for Black Thought and Greg Porn to be rapping with a casual viciousness akin to Wooh da Kid or Alley Boy when they could by all rights be reverting back to the picnic raps that made their first two albums such summer fun; what it means that they just don't have the time to sit in a bunker and bang out their response to untitled. unmastered., forget about To Pimp a Butterfly.

...And Then You Shoot Your Cousin is a profoundly dark album, even for a group that counts Game Theory, undun and Things Fall Apart among its discography. It whittles all the talking points of their past decade into small, almost disposable chunks. It nods towards the bleak experimentalism of late-period Radiohead (a favorite reference point for the band since Game Theory) with the composition of "Never", all gnarled synthetic orchestra and voices subsumed by technology. John Lennon née The Beatles' "Revolution No. 9", perhaps the only famous example of collage-as-music, earns a tip of the hat in the radio-glitch framework of "Dies Irae / The Coming". It has little time for anything other than its state of being, and that state is dark of night, disheveled hoodies slightly ajar as sighs emit exasperation and souls exchange planes of existence unconvinced of the timing, that the RIGHT ABOUT NOW of it is best.

...And Then You Shoot Your Cousin could just about get by on being Black Thought's lone verse on "Never" and a bunch of instrumentals and made its point, but as a three-act play the length of five viral Late Night videos, the album takes just enough time to expand on that song's primary thrust, perhaps best summarized by a quote from Kent Russell's I Am Sorry to Think I Have Raised a Timid Son: "...whatever it is that's out there- it's going to get in. No matter what. It's going to get me, in the end. Relieve me of my life. Contemplating this, I fell through to a sound sleep." The only real way to conquer a death-filled existence is to accept death and become it.

Like all albums of The Roots' making since Game Theory, ...And Then You Shoot Your Cousin has its flaws. Dice Raw's chorus on "Black Rock" could very well be the worst thing this band has ever committed to tape, so blatantly tuneless and full of that tunelessness it can only be excused in concept (and even then, I think this is ?uest's friendliness getting the better of his musical intuitions). The album seems to be in a hurry to be over, leaving it to the listener to find the allegorical and symbolic value in it. A rare instance of an album leaving the listener wanting more and that being a bit of a deduction.

It is also pretty resolute in its distaste for humor, draping even their "Puck addresses the audience" moment in unwavering Christianity and a saccharine cadence that brings to mind the scrolling credits to a cynical romantic comedy in which the idea of romance was the joke. "The Coming" is a pretty psuedohymnal that seems unconcerned for its placement on a piece of pop music; I'm not sure I'm criticizing The Roots for making a Carla Bozulich tribute track, in fact I quite like it - but really? As one of just eight and a half actual original works? Maybe I'm just jaded.

After all, It's such a firecracker of an album. The lyrics are mostly whip smart and the production surprisingly contemporary for a band whose spent the better portion of the decade entrenching themselves in a sort of AOR rap bubble (that I love, others don't, whatever). True enough, its pocketbook nature emboldens the Black Thought purists amongst us ever more furiously, but trimmed by half and removed from the totality of a plot line this approach to what a "The Roots" album is for the first time feels entirely of a piece with everything else the record wants to express, rather than a platform for the band's (talented, but c'mon) friends to get some exposure at the expense of cohesion, or gratification. I grow weary of this album from time to time, sure - that'll happen when you wind up listening to something on repeat for two hours damn near every time you encounter it.

I've heard it pondered that the despair pervasive throughout The Roots' work since James Yancey's passing is a symptom of that death, but I don't buy that - they were already on this path when he was still a part of their collaborative process. More accurate, I think, is that these are men in their 40s in seats of great privilege, prominence and adoration, and yet black lives matter, still and most prominently, in the sense that they are so frequently lost. There is no one life that brings this worldview about, but all of them, from the root upward, wilting amongst water.

To quote self-immunization 'expert?' Tim Friede, from the aforementioned Russell book: "You have to become the snake. The snake - they call it a 'recessive' step when you lose something through evolution. But the snake IMPROVED itself by getting rid of legs, extra lungs, everything."

Or, quoting the same during a self-inflicted, venom-induced seizure caused by a series of four bites from the most venomous rattlesnake in the world over the course of a single day: "I am gloved in fire."


1|Theme from the Middle of the Night|1:27 4 - 4.25
2|Never|3:54 5
3|When the People Cheer|3:01 4 - 4.75
4|The Devil|0:38 4
5|Black Rock|2:41 4
This song is almost impossible to rate because every bit of it is so good except for the chorus which, again, I cannot understate, puts me in a vice and squeezes until I resemble a kesme noodle and back again.
6|Understand|2:50 4.5 - 5
7|Dies Irae|1:07 5
8|The Coming|3:01 3.25 - 4
9|The Dark (Trinity)|5:17 5
10|The Unraveling|4:20 4.25 - 5
11|Tomorrow|5:06 4

Overall: 48 - 49 4.41/5 87 - 89%: Exceptional; repeated listens demanded; BUY IT


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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

  

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The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin LP - Tracklist & Pre-Order [View all] , okayplayer, Mon Jun-23-14 09:34 AM
 
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Good to see Mercedes still working with them
May 06th 2014
1
i had the same thought
May 06th 2014
5
ummm 1-11?
May 06th 2014
2
I had the same thought
May 06th 2014
6
They stopped that sequencing yeaaaaars ago
May 07th 2014
7
It got challenging when The Roots
May 08th 2014
8
      i wouldn't
May 08th 2014
9
      *shrug* sure, why not?
May 09th 2014
10
      yeah, I knew I wasn't crazy
May 09th 2014
11
           It's not nitpicking IMO
May 12th 2014
13
                there are tracks in that prior numbering system
May 14th 2014
34
on Malcolm x day!
May 06th 2014
3
i was hoping tomorrow would be the last song
May 06th 2014
4
RE: The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin LP - Tracklist & Pre-Or...
May 12th 2014
12
album is now streaming
May 13th 2014
14
About halfway through...
May 13th 2014
15
halfway as well
May 13th 2014
16
it has me confused
May 13th 2014
17
First impressions after 1 listen...
May 13th 2014
18
about to listen now but a lack of thought scares me I must say
May 13th 2014
23
      It's a calculated lack of thought, if you will.
May 13th 2014
25
So is it significantly different than their last few albums?
May 13th 2014
19
      IMO, not really
May 13th 2014
20
I need mobile friendly stream. Soundcloud?
May 13th 2014
26
WTF did I just listen to!??!
May 13th 2014
27
      Didn't they bill this as an anti-rap opera?
May 14th 2014
59
           RE: Didn't they bill this as an anti-rap opera?
May 16th 2014
81
i fucking love the roots-
May 13th 2014
21
people ask for god, until the day he comes-
May 13th 2014
22
"SO GREAT"- J. Fallon
May 13th 2014
24
&TYSYC = If undun fucked Phrenology
May 13th 2014
28
I want more Thought too but...
May 13th 2014
30
      RE: I want more Thought too but...
May 14th 2014
67
BLACK ROCK tho
May 13th 2014
29
Diamonds In Da Ruff used that sample better
May 13th 2014
31
Dig most of the album from 1st stream listen
May 13th 2014
32
the dark and black rock are my early favs
May 14th 2014
35
Really bad
May 14th 2014
33
I only heard 1 song!!! Am I wrong? Understand, and the rest felt
May 14th 2014
36
I agree
May 14th 2014
37
i also agree
May 14th 2014
40
RE: I only heard 1 song!!! Am I wrong? Understand, and the rest felt
May 14th 2014
41
i agree
May 14th 2014
42
I luh ya Dice Raw... but....
May 14th 2014
38
Maybe there's a companion album?
May 14th 2014
39
RE: Maybe there's a companion album?
May 14th 2014
68
For those of you who don't like it but still copping...
May 14th 2014
43
Roots LP's take time for me to ingest.
May 14th 2014
46
      yeah their albums usually take time for me
May 14th 2014
48
      but repeated listens won't reveal more Black Thought will it?
May 14th 2014
53
           i just listened for the third time and they added 4 thought verses
May 14th 2014
56
Aye can we get this Thought again on an album
May 14th 2014
44
Money Making Jam Boys Mixtape is the best Roots album since...
May 14th 2014
45
the last roots album
May 15th 2014
73
since Rising Down
May 19th 2014
113
Sigh
May 14th 2014
58
Day 2 of binge-listening
May 14th 2014
47
what's the concept?
May 14th 2014
49
      The genius must be over your head brah, you just don't get it.
May 14th 2014
50
      ^^^^This
May 14th 2014
52
           I'd personally go with HIGO over RD
May 14th 2014
55
           whats so confusing about Undun?
May 15th 2014
79
                It's not confusing at all...just poorly done
May 16th 2014
83
                     i think you missed a lot of the lyrics
May 16th 2014
89
                          you're proving my point...
May 16th 2014
95
                               RE: you're proving my point...
May 23rd 2014
162
      I didn't catch the concept either but here's this (link)
May 14th 2014
51
      so...they can't even explain this concept? got it
May 14th 2014
54
      I got a concept for the next album, HOT SHIT, HA HA HOT SHIT!!!
May 14th 2014
57
      I guess it's a theme more than a concept.
May 14th 2014
64
May 14th 2014
60
reading that I'm thinking Quest done finally jump that shark
May 14th 2014
61
RE: reading that I"m think Quest done finally jump that shark
May 14th 2014
62
...
May 14th 2014
63
May 14th 2014
65
      That's... accurate.
May 14th 2014
66
One issue I'm having with this album is
May 14th 2014
69
not all albums have to do that
May 14th 2014
70
      RE: not all albums have to do that
May 14th 2014
71
Another great album by The Roots
May 15th 2014
72
A Haunting History Lesson with Your Hip Hop (NYTimes Swipe)
May 15th 2014
74
Second listen,
May 15th 2014
75
I'm still waiting for the Sandwiches that usually come before ...
May 15th 2014
76
RE: I'm still waiting for the Sandwiches that usually come before ...
May 16th 2014
88
interesting album...thought bodied his little appearances and the sound
May 15th 2014
77
that's how I felt after the first listen...
May 16th 2014
80
RE: The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin LP - Tracklist & Pre-Or...
May 15th 2014
78
First listen, I like it a lot. It's ambitious. But I wanna know....
May 16th 2014
82
lol
May 22nd 2014
153
I never knew Undun was wack until coming here.
May 16th 2014
84
i loved undun
May 16th 2014
86
adding my support for Undun as well. haha
May 16th 2014
97
      me 2..HIGO and undun was good albums..folks acting like the roots
May 19th 2014
112
One of my favorite albums of the past five years
May 19th 2014
104
video for Understand
May 16th 2014
85
I watched the first 40 seconds only
May 16th 2014
87
going off of the apparently satirical vein of the album...
May 16th 2014
90
cause he trapped in the dark
May 16th 2014
91
Most of these hooks are downright cringeworthy
May 16th 2014
92
i like it. i want to listen to it.
May 16th 2014
93
Don't have a computer to listen
May 16th 2014
94
strong record
May 16th 2014
96
I agree with pretty much everything here
May 16th 2014
98
I love the record...trying to figure out the characters though...
May 17th 2014
99
after one listen, already digging the sound of this MUCH more than
May 17th 2014
100
Tomorrow has been on repeat for a bit
May 18th 2014
101
RE: The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin LP - Tracklist & Pre-Or...
May 18th 2014
102
Most likely a stupid question
May 19th 2014
103
not 100% sure why it's out, but today *is* Malcolm X's birthday..
May 19th 2014
105
      I'm sure Coldplay and Brody Dalle don't know it's Malcolm X's birthday.....
May 19th 2014
106
           hahaha fair enough.. i tried
May 19th 2014
107
Why are they afraid to make rap music?
May 19th 2014
108
folk need to stop fronting
May 19th 2014
109
      eh, first 3 tracks of Rising Down were HEAT
May 20th 2014
127
Here's my review
May 19th 2014
110
After two spins, I'm really feeling this. Easily my favorite since GT.
May 19th 2014
111
Easily the Worst Roots album!
May 19th 2014
114
Loving the album - but why do we get less BT each album?
May 19th 2014
115
NO MORE DICE RAW HOOKS PLEASE
May 19th 2014
116
^^^^
May 24th 2014
165
RE: The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin LP - Tracklist & Pre-Or...
May 20th 2014
117
This is weird for me to say but. . .
May 20th 2014
118
yeah i'm just not sure how i feel about this one
May 20th 2014
119
oh I will listen to it a lot. . the funny thing is
May 20th 2014
120
      RE: oh I will listen to it a lot. . the funny thing is
May 20th 2014
121
      i'm sure they've heard the complaints
May 20th 2014
122
           RE: i'm sure they've heard the complaints
May 20th 2014
123
                Yo....
May 20th 2014
126
                     RE: Yo....
May 20th 2014
130
                     you should listen to Black Rock drunk
May 22nd 2014
151
      dice singing
May 20th 2014
124
pretty much
May 22nd 2014
145
ITs official. . . This album is just not very good
Jun 07th 2014
197
really liking this one
May 20th 2014
125
im still reserving judgment until i hear it on good speakers...
May 20th 2014
128
I almost cut it off after the first track
May 20th 2014
129
4th listen
May 21st 2014
131
re: lack of BT and BT being listed as a coproducer on every song
May 21st 2014
132
i would think so
May 21st 2014
133
Same way I felt.
May 21st 2014
134
Conversely, seems like ?uest had LESS input
May 21st 2014
135
I think you'll find the answer to this here:
May 21st 2014
137
      so Richard Nichols, Greg P.O.R.N. & Dice Raw do most of the leg work?
May 21st 2014
138
           Ya, that's how I read it too
May 21st 2014
139
                RE: Ya, that's how I read it too
May 21st 2014
142
                     ^^^
May 22nd 2014
157
This Grantland article is the best I've read about the LP
May 21st 2014
136
Eh, Roots fans who talk about Game Theory and How I got Over first....
May 21st 2014
140
      RE: Eh, Roots fans who talk about Game Theory and How I got Over first.....
May 21st 2014
141
      RE: Eh, Roots fans who talk about Game Theory and How I got Over first.....
May 21st 2014
143
      cmon dude
May 22nd 2014
147
      seriously
May 22nd 2014
144
      as someone who bought the Distortion To Static cassette single...
May 22nd 2014
146
           Explain this ---> TFA is also highly overrated
May 22nd 2014
148
           why not?
May 22nd 2014
152
           RE: as someone who bought the Distortion To Static cassette single...
May 22nd 2014
149
           Fam...log off or explain below.
May 22nd 2014
150
           that's the thing...opinions can vary
May 22nd 2014
154
           who is being a "fan police"?
May 22nd 2014
158
I went to target on Tuesday to get the album and couldn't find
May 22nd 2014
155
Since everyone's craving more Black Thought now would be a
May 22nd 2014
156
"Listen & Then U Shot Ya-Self" Should've Been The Title
May 23rd 2014
159
what an asinine statement
May 23rd 2014
161
I don't think they are trying to please hipsters
May 23rd 2014
164
RE: The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin LP - Tracklist & Pre-Or...
May 23rd 2014
160
First Roots album in 21 years that I regret purchasing....
May 23rd 2014
163
Played All the Previews on iTunes
May 24th 2014
166
Welcome back
May 26th 2014
170
i'm sure you know this but snippets won't do
May 28th 2014
179
Not sure yet
May 25th 2014
167
A couple positive reviews
May 25th 2014
168
you don't know what you got 'til it's gone.
May 25th 2014
169
haha.
May 26th 2014
172
this album is getting more hate than the tipping point
May 26th 2014
171
I agree about time being kind to this album
May 26th 2014
173
ATYSYC makes Phrenology sound like a State Property album
May 26th 2014
174
thing is, i don't totally disagree with all the criticism.
May 26th 2014
176
good post
May 26th 2014
175
^^^this is where i am with this record
May 27th 2014
178
These past 3 albums have gotten increasingly more religious,
May 27th 2014
177
i like it but their albums seem more and more detached
May 28th 2014
180
Still haven't gotten the pre-order vinyl
May 28th 2014
181
Got it today, and it was worth the wait
May 30th 2014
190
I actually really like this album
May 29th 2014
182
this album is utter bullshit. wtf @ Questlove
May 29th 2014
183
RE: this album is utter bullshit. wtf @ Questlove
May 29th 2014
184
the OKP or the album?
May 30th 2014
185
      i'm guessing you are in the minority on this one
May 30th 2014
186
how DUMB
May 30th 2014
188
      wait. stop the presses. Questlove is BLACK?!?!?
May 31st 2014
191
           yeah...you not very smart
Jun 01st 2014
193
                and, you not good with grammar.
Jun 01st 2014
194
I didn't like Undun at first but now love it
May 30th 2014
187
I feel the exact same way on everything you said nm
May 30th 2014
189
i don't think i really liked anything i heard
May 31st 2014
192
LOL
Jun 01st 2014
195
its funny how a lot of non okayplayers like this album
Jun 05th 2014
196
Could you link some of these?
Jun 12th 2014
198
This is really bad
Jun 14th 2014
199
So a month later is anybody still listening to this?
Jun 14th 2014
200
yes
Jun 20th 2014
204
I still listen occasionally
Jun 21st 2014
208
yes
Jun 23rd 2014
213
I love the new album
Jun 15th 2014
201
Understand
Jun 21st 2014
207
WHATS YOUR FAVORITE TRACK ON THE ALBUM?
Jun 19th 2014
202
RE: WHATS YOUR FAVORITE TRACK ON THE ALBUM?
Jun 19th 2014
203
black rock
Jun 20th 2014
205
Black Rock, Understand, Tomorrow
Jun 20th 2014
206
What's interesting is how different album cycles are for them now
Jun 21st 2014
209
i just have issues w/ this seeming desire that artists do what *we*
Jun 21st 2014
210
      I mean, I get that
Jun 21st 2014
211
           you definitley make a good point
Jun 21st 2014
212
THE COMING?
Jun 25th 2014
214
this is what i meant in the other post about Avant Garde
Jun 26th 2014
215
RE: this is what i meant in the other post about Avant Garde
Jun 27th 2014
217
love it
Jun 27th 2014
216
That's my second fav joint from the album
Jun 30th 2014
219
this album is actually really good. takes a while to grow on you.
Jun 29th 2014
218
It's better than Undun. Still in that space HIGO was for me
Jul 06th 2014
220
it was absolute garbage then, still is
Oct 19th 2015
224
How do you feel about this album in 2015?
Oct 18th 2015
221
Still listen to it regularly, & now that winter's coming even more n/m
Oct 19th 2015
222
Just listened to it for a first time in a while
Oct 19th 2015
223
absolute garbage then, still is
Oct 19th 2015
225
^^^^^
Oct 19th 2015
229
RE: How do you feel about this album in 2015?
Oct 19th 2015
226
Haven't listened to it in a bit, but I still liked it well enough last I...
Oct 19th 2015
227
Tomorrow? Flames. The rest? Meh nm
Oct 19th 2015
228
No joke, no snark, I don't remember a single song from it
Oct 19th 2015
230
^^^
Oct 22nd 2015
235
funny enough, I just revisited this album yesterday
Oct 19th 2015
231
didn't really dig it when it came out.
Oct 20th 2015
232
I dont want to get banned.
Oct 20th 2015
233
I can't sit through the whole album anymore
Oct 22nd 2015
234
zzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz
Oct 28th 2015
236
RE: ... and the anonymous nobody
Sep 13th 2016
237
I'm re-listening to this right now
Sep 13th 2016
238
      The rest of the album:
Sep 13th 2016
239
gonna listen again
Sep 15th 2016
240
same here... De La got me going back to these 00/10's Roots LPs.....
Sep 15th 2016
241
It finally hit me...
Sep 17th 2016
242
this is a sentiment I've seen elsewhere; I think it's overblown
Oct 27th 2016
245
Dilla only did Dynamite
Jun 05th 2017
251
      True
Jun 05th 2017
253
YouTube vid of ?uest describing the album's themes and structure
Sep 17th 2016
243
Shouts to De La, once the ...and the anonymous nobody ended, my itunes
Oct 29th 2016
246
I missed this last year. It's really well written.
Jun 03rd 2017
250
      thank you.
Jun 05th 2017
252
I still don't like it.
Nov 01st 2016
247
Finally getting into this album and I love it but can see why others don...
Jun 02nd 2017
248
RE: Finally getting into this album and I love it but can see why others...
Jun 03rd 2017
249
      only 6 Black Thought verses...
Jun 05th 2017
254

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