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http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/the-roots-and-then-youshoot-your-cousin-review-tonight-show/

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Take Your Medicine: The ‘Good for You’ Not-Quite-Greatness of the Roots’ Latest

When Ahmir Khalib “Questlove” Thompson launched his “How Hip-Hop Failed Black America” series for Vulture last month, I reacted the way I do to each new Roots album. At first I was really excited, eagerly lapping up the first entry and reveling in Thompson’s insight and forward-thinking ideology. And then I lost interest and didn’t check out the subsequent entries. This is solidly an “It’s not you, it’s me” situation — “How Hip-Hop Failed Black America” is erudite, well argued, and thought-provoking. There’s just something … medicinal, I guess, about Thompson’s work, both as a writer and a musician. I own nearly every Roots album. I like many of them — I stump hardest for 2006’s Game Theory, though 2010’s How I Got Over remains underrated — but I don’t put them on very often. When I do, I’m glad I did. I always feel that it’s good for me, you know? But I have to gear myself up to listen to the Roots sometimes. It often seems like a matter of should, not want.

This week the Roots released their 11th album, … And Then You Shoot Your Cousin, a self-described “opera” that runs 33 minutes but feels much longer in places. It is the Roots’ second consecutive concept album, coming off 2011’s critically adored and slept-on-by-everybody-else undun. Even by the Roots’ recent dubiously commercial standards, Cousin is a bit of a curveball — a bleak, fatalistic, angry, discursive, narratively fragmented, musically restless, and deadly serious curveball. It’s the kind of record that partisans will insist you “need to spend some time with” before setting aside, without guaranteeing that you’ll ever end up liking it. Cousin probably isn’t supposed to be liked. (The Roots on record have loftier artistic aims than mere “enjoyment delivery” these days.) Even if you’re a hardcore Roots fan, it can be difficult at times to locate where the Roots are on this album. Cousin is quite literally an opera in the sense that it has been cast with auxiliary performers like Raheem DeVaughn, Dice Raw, Greg Porn, Patty Crash, and Mercedes Martinez, relegating the Roots’ ostensible frontman, Black Thought, to a supporting role.

More than that, Cousin is barely a hip-hop record. Only three tracks — “When the People Cheer,” “Black Rock,” and “Understand” — approach the visceral drive of conventional rap. Elsewhere, short, obtuse tracks drift into one another, cultivating a jazzy, proggy murk. French experimental composer Michel Chion is deployed to supply mushroom clouds of deformed piano chords at the record’s midpoint. When the coolly charismatic Black Thought appears on “When the People Cheer,” it’s in the guise of a sex- and violence-obsessed hustler that teeters on the edge of hip-hop caricature but remains Rootsian in its bookishness: “Lookin’ for a shorty coming home from work, that I can pervert / on my existential grind doing consequential dirt.” Cousin has been described as “satire,” with its sights set on skewering mainstream rap’s moral wasteland, but the Roots aren’t funny enough (or at all) for the album to register as satire. It’s more akin to an act of cultural criticism that’s been commissioned by a popular website.

While listening to Cousin, I decided to catch up on the “How Hip-Hop Failed Black America” series. Not only because Thompson is a great writer, but also because the essays helped to decipher this disjointed new Roots record I was trying to get into. I don’t know that Thompson intended “How Hip-Hop Failed” to double as liner notes for Cousin, but in effect that’s what it is. You can hear the Roots on Cousin moving through the same terrain that Thompson works over in his pieces: how hip-hop came to subsume black music and then the entirety of black culture, how hip-hop’s “everpresence” can also be perceived as a kind of invisibility, and how the culture in its present state means “something increasingly predictable, which means that it means less and less.” Cousin is the Roots trying to be the change that Thompson wants to see in the world — it’s a record (like so many other Roots albums) that tries to reposition black music outside the confines of rap, R&B, or any other established parameter of predictability for a hip-hop group. Whether Cousin succeeds as music is a question I’ll set aside for now. But as music criticism, Cousin is definitely more interesting than the typical “Is hip-hop dead?” think piece.



Thompson didn’t just recently become a musician who moonlights as a music critic — I would argue that he’s always been a music critic, it’s just that he usually uses his band, rather than a keyboard, to get his ideas across. This seems like ancient history now, but the Roots were once among the most prominent “intellectual” rap collectives that positioned themselves against so-called “champagne rap.” Back in the ’90s, Thompson was getting reamed out by Puff Daddy for making fun of Biggie in the “What They Do” video. In 2001, when Jay Z called on the Roots to back him on MTV Unplugged, it was a true crossing of the streams. “Remember when getting with him was such a controversial move?” Thompson recalled in a 2011 Pitchfork interview. “It was like the riskiest move I ever did in my life: ‘Shall I take this call from Jay-Z?’”

Since then, Jay Z has of course become perhaps the most respected rapper (if not pop star of any genre) of his generation. As for the Roots, they now live a weird double life, known to most as the house band on The Tonight Show. Thompson does not directly address his day job in the Vulture series, but it must enter his thoughts when pondering rap’s “everpresence.” In one respect, a rap group assuming a mantle previously occupied by a big-band jazz ensemble during the Carson years and a vaguely jazzy soft-rock group during Jay Leno’s tenure must be seen as a victory for hip-hop. I’m sure Thompson himself sees it as a victory, in one respect anyway. But providing the (occasionally subversive) walk-on music for the symbol of TV network privilege might also (as Thompson writes about hip-hop in general) “feel strange, not exactly hollow, but a little haunted” for a man used to seeing himself as an outsider.

“As the Roots round into our third decade, we shoulder a strange burden, which is that people expect us to be both meaningful and popular,” Thompson writes at the close of the first “Why Hip-Hop Failed” piece. Cousin represents the “meaningful” part of that equation, and the sense of burden-shouldering is palpable. As stimulating as I find Thompson as a thinker on pop music no matter the medium he’s using, Cousin is weighted with too many signifiers of an Important Artistic Statement for me to fully engage with it on an emotional level. Thompson is above all a music fan, and as a fan he should know that “meaning” comes first and foremost from an audience that has integrated a song or an album or an entire body of work into their daily lives. And this can happen only if the music welcomes the audience in. Cousin was made to be admired, and it’s deserving of that admiration. But an album that the majority of pop fans will have no interest in hearing (in part because it’s been rigged to turn those people off) can never be meaningful. Instead, Cousin stands as a strange, haunted, and ultimately hollow statement.

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The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin LP - Tracklist & Pre-Order [View all] , okayplayer, Mon Jun-23-14 09:34 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Good to see Mercedes still working with them
May 06th 2014
1
i had the same thought
May 06th 2014
5
ummm 1-11?
May 06th 2014
2
I had the same thought
May 06th 2014
6
They stopped that sequencing yeaaaaars ago
May 07th 2014
7
It got challenging when The Roots
May 08th 2014
8
      i wouldn't
May 08th 2014
9
      *shrug* sure, why not?
May 09th 2014
10
      yeah, I knew I wasn't crazy
May 09th 2014
11
           It's not nitpicking IMO
May 12th 2014
13
                there are tracks in that prior numbering system
May 14th 2014
34
on Malcolm x day!
May 06th 2014
3
i was hoping tomorrow would be the last song
May 06th 2014
4
RE: The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin LP - Tracklist & Pre-Or...
May 12th 2014
12
album is now streaming
May 13th 2014
14
About halfway through...
May 13th 2014
15
halfway as well
May 13th 2014
16
it has me confused
May 13th 2014
17
First impressions after 1 listen...
May 13th 2014
18
about to listen now but a lack of thought scares me I must say
May 13th 2014
23
      It's a calculated lack of thought, if you will.
May 13th 2014
25
So is it significantly different than their last few albums?
May 13th 2014
19
      IMO, not really
May 13th 2014
20
I need mobile friendly stream. Soundcloud?
May 13th 2014
26
WTF did I just listen to!??!
May 13th 2014
27
      Didn't they bill this as an anti-rap opera?
May 14th 2014
59
           RE: Didn't they bill this as an anti-rap opera?
May 16th 2014
81
i fucking love the roots-
May 13th 2014
21
people ask for god, until the day he comes-
May 13th 2014
22
"SO GREAT"- J. Fallon
May 13th 2014
24
&TYSYC = If undun fucked Phrenology
May 13th 2014
28
I want more Thought too but...
May 13th 2014
30
      RE: I want more Thought too but...
May 14th 2014
67
BLACK ROCK tho
May 13th 2014
29
Diamonds In Da Ruff used that sample better
May 13th 2014
31
Dig most of the album from 1st stream listen
May 13th 2014
32
the dark and black rock are my early favs
May 14th 2014
35
Really bad
May 14th 2014
33
I only heard 1 song!!! Am I wrong? Understand, and the rest felt
May 14th 2014
36
I agree
May 14th 2014
37
i also agree
May 14th 2014
40
RE: I only heard 1 song!!! Am I wrong? Understand, and the rest felt
May 14th 2014
41
i agree
May 14th 2014
42
I luh ya Dice Raw... but....
May 14th 2014
38
Maybe there's a companion album?
May 14th 2014
39
RE: Maybe there's a companion album?
May 14th 2014
68
For those of you who don't like it but still copping...
May 14th 2014
43
Roots LP's take time for me to ingest.
May 14th 2014
46
      yeah their albums usually take time for me
May 14th 2014
48
      but repeated listens won't reveal more Black Thought will it?
May 14th 2014
53
           i just listened for the third time and they added 4 thought verses
May 14th 2014
56
Aye can we get this Thought again on an album
May 14th 2014
44
Money Making Jam Boys Mixtape is the best Roots album since...
May 14th 2014
45
the last roots album
May 15th 2014
73
since Rising Down
May 19th 2014
113
Sigh
May 14th 2014
58
Day 2 of binge-listening
May 14th 2014
47
what's the concept?
May 14th 2014
49
      The genius must be over your head brah, you just don't get it.
May 14th 2014
50
      ^^^^This
May 14th 2014
52
           I'd personally go with HIGO over RD
May 14th 2014
55
           whats so confusing about Undun?
May 15th 2014
79
                It's not confusing at all...just poorly done
May 16th 2014
83
                     i think you missed a lot of the lyrics
May 16th 2014
89
                          you're proving my point...
May 16th 2014
95
                               RE: you're proving my point...
May 23rd 2014
162
      I didn't catch the concept either but here's this (link)
May 14th 2014
51
      so...they can't even explain this concept? got it
May 14th 2014
54
      I got a concept for the next album, HOT SHIT, HA HA HOT SHIT!!!
May 14th 2014
57
      I guess it's a theme more than a concept.
May 14th 2014
64
May 14th 2014
60
reading that I'm thinking Quest done finally jump that shark
May 14th 2014
61
RE: reading that I"m think Quest done finally jump that shark
May 14th 2014
62
...
May 14th 2014
63
May 14th 2014
65
      That's... accurate.
May 14th 2014
66
One issue I'm having with this album is
May 14th 2014
69
not all albums have to do that
May 14th 2014
70
      RE: not all albums have to do that
May 14th 2014
71
Another great album by The Roots
May 15th 2014
72
A Haunting History Lesson with Your Hip Hop (NYTimes Swipe)
May 15th 2014
74
Second listen,
May 15th 2014
75
I'm still waiting for the Sandwiches that usually come before ...
May 15th 2014
76
RE: I'm still waiting for the Sandwiches that usually come before ...
May 16th 2014
88
interesting album...thought bodied his little appearances and the sound
May 15th 2014
77
that's how I felt after the first listen...
May 16th 2014
80
RE: The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin LP - Tracklist & Pre-Or...
May 15th 2014
78
First listen, I like it a lot. It's ambitious. But I wanna know....
May 16th 2014
82
lol
May 22nd 2014
153
I never knew Undun was wack until coming here.
May 16th 2014
84
i loved undun
May 16th 2014
86
adding my support for Undun as well. haha
May 16th 2014
97
      me 2..HIGO and undun was good albums..folks acting like the roots
May 19th 2014
112
One of my favorite albums of the past five years
May 19th 2014
104
video for Understand
May 16th 2014
85
I watched the first 40 seconds only
May 16th 2014
87
going off of the apparently satirical vein of the album...
May 16th 2014
90
cause he trapped in the dark
May 16th 2014
91
Most of these hooks are downright cringeworthy
May 16th 2014
92
i like it. i want to listen to it.
May 16th 2014
93
Don't have a computer to listen
May 16th 2014
94
strong record
May 16th 2014
96
I agree with pretty much everything here
May 16th 2014
98
I love the record...trying to figure out the characters though...
May 17th 2014
99
after one listen, already digging the sound of this MUCH more than
May 17th 2014
100
Tomorrow has been on repeat for a bit
May 18th 2014
101
RE: The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin LP - Tracklist & Pre-Or...
May 18th 2014
102
Most likely a stupid question
May 19th 2014
103
not 100% sure why it's out, but today *is* Malcolm X's birthday..
May 19th 2014
105
      I'm sure Coldplay and Brody Dalle don't know it's Malcolm X's birthday.....
May 19th 2014
106
           hahaha fair enough.. i tried
May 19th 2014
107
Why are they afraid to make rap music?
May 19th 2014
108
folk need to stop fronting
May 19th 2014
109
      eh, first 3 tracks of Rising Down were HEAT
May 20th 2014
127
Here's my review
May 19th 2014
110
After two spins, I'm really feeling this. Easily my favorite since GT.
May 19th 2014
111
Easily the Worst Roots album!
May 19th 2014
114
Loving the album - but why do we get less BT each album?
May 19th 2014
115
NO MORE DICE RAW HOOKS PLEASE
May 19th 2014
116
^^^^
May 24th 2014
165
RE: The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin LP - Tracklist & Pre-Or...
May 20th 2014
117
This is weird for me to say but. . .
May 20th 2014
118
yeah i'm just not sure how i feel about this one
May 20th 2014
119
oh I will listen to it a lot. . the funny thing is
May 20th 2014
120
      RE: oh I will listen to it a lot. . the funny thing is
May 20th 2014
121
      i'm sure they've heard the complaints
May 20th 2014
122
           RE: i'm sure they've heard the complaints
May 20th 2014
123
                Yo....
May 20th 2014
126
                     RE: Yo....
May 20th 2014
130
                     you should listen to Black Rock drunk
May 22nd 2014
151
      dice singing
May 20th 2014
124
pretty much
May 22nd 2014
145
ITs official. . . This album is just not very good
Jun 07th 2014
197
really liking this one
May 20th 2014
125
im still reserving judgment until i hear it on good speakers...
May 20th 2014
128
I almost cut it off after the first track
May 20th 2014
129
4th listen
May 21st 2014
131
re: lack of BT and BT being listed as a coproducer on every song
May 21st 2014
132
i would think so
May 21st 2014
133
Same way I felt.
May 21st 2014
134
Conversely, seems like ?uest had LESS input
May 21st 2014
135
I think you'll find the answer to this here:
May 21st 2014
137
      so Richard Nichols, Greg P.O.R.N. & Dice Raw do most of the leg work?
May 21st 2014
138
           Ya, that's how I read it too
May 21st 2014
139
                RE: Ya, that's how I read it too
May 21st 2014
142
                     ^^^
May 22nd 2014
157
Eh, Roots fans who talk about Game Theory and How I got Over first....
May 21st 2014
140
      RE: Eh, Roots fans who talk about Game Theory and How I got Over first.....
May 21st 2014
141
      RE: Eh, Roots fans who talk about Game Theory and How I got Over first.....
May 21st 2014
143
      cmon dude
May 22nd 2014
147
      seriously
May 22nd 2014
144
      as someone who bought the Distortion To Static cassette single...
May 22nd 2014
146
           Explain this ---> TFA is also highly overrated
May 22nd 2014
148
           why not?
May 22nd 2014
152
           RE: as someone who bought the Distortion To Static cassette single...
May 22nd 2014
149
           Fam...log off or explain below.
May 22nd 2014
150
           that's the thing...opinions can vary
May 22nd 2014
154
           who is being a "fan police"?
May 22nd 2014
158
I went to target on Tuesday to get the album and couldn't find
May 22nd 2014
155
Since everyone's craving more Black Thought now would be a
May 22nd 2014
156
"Listen & Then U Shot Ya-Self" Should've Been The Title
May 23rd 2014
159
what an asinine statement
May 23rd 2014
161
I don't think they are trying to please hipsters
May 23rd 2014
164
RE: The Roots ... and then you shoot your cousin LP - Tracklist & Pre-Or...
May 23rd 2014
160
First Roots album in 21 years that I regret purchasing....
May 23rd 2014
163
Played All the Previews on iTunes
May 24th 2014
166
Welcome back
May 26th 2014
170
i'm sure you know this but snippets won't do
May 28th 2014
179
Not sure yet
May 25th 2014
167
A couple positive reviews
May 25th 2014
168
you don't know what you got 'til it's gone.
May 25th 2014
169
haha.
May 26th 2014
172
this album is getting more hate than the tipping point
May 26th 2014
171
I agree about time being kind to this album
May 26th 2014
173
ATYSYC makes Phrenology sound like a State Property album
May 26th 2014
174
thing is, i don't totally disagree with all the criticism.
May 26th 2014
176
good post
May 26th 2014
175
^^^this is where i am with this record
May 27th 2014
178
These past 3 albums have gotten increasingly more religious,
May 27th 2014
177
i like it but their albums seem more and more detached
May 28th 2014
180
Still haven't gotten the pre-order vinyl
May 28th 2014
181
Got it today, and it was worth the wait
May 30th 2014
190
I actually really like this album
May 29th 2014
182
this album is utter bullshit. wtf @ Questlove
May 29th 2014
183
RE: this album is utter bullshit. wtf @ Questlove
May 29th 2014
184
the OKP or the album?
May 30th 2014
185
      i'm guessing you are in the minority on this one
May 30th 2014
186
how DUMB
May 30th 2014
188
      wait. stop the presses. Questlove is BLACK?!?!?
May 31st 2014
191
           yeah...you not very smart
Jun 01st 2014
193
                and, you not good with grammar.
Jun 01st 2014
194
I didn't like Undun at first but now love it
May 30th 2014
187
I feel the exact same way on everything you said nm
May 30th 2014
189
i don't think i really liked anything i heard
May 31st 2014
192
LOL
Jun 01st 2014
195
its funny how a lot of non okayplayers like this album
Jun 05th 2014
196
Could you link some of these?
Jun 12th 2014
198
This is really bad
Jun 14th 2014
199
So a month later is anybody still listening to this?
Jun 14th 2014
200
yes
Jun 20th 2014
204
I still listen occasionally
Jun 21st 2014
208
yes
Jun 23rd 2014
213
I love the new album
Jun 15th 2014
201
Understand
Jun 21st 2014
207
WHATS YOUR FAVORITE TRACK ON THE ALBUM?
Jun 19th 2014
202
RE: WHATS YOUR FAVORITE TRACK ON THE ALBUM?
Jun 19th 2014
203
black rock
Jun 20th 2014
205
Black Rock, Understand, Tomorrow
Jun 20th 2014
206
What's interesting is how different album cycles are for them now
Jun 21st 2014
209
i just have issues w/ this seeming desire that artists do what *we*
Jun 21st 2014
210
      I mean, I get that
Jun 21st 2014
211
           you definitley make a good point
Jun 21st 2014
212
THE COMING?
Jun 25th 2014
214
this is what i meant in the other post about Avant Garde
Jun 26th 2014
215
RE: this is what i meant in the other post about Avant Garde
Jun 27th 2014
217
love it
Jun 27th 2014
216
That's my second fav joint from the album
Jun 30th 2014
219
this album is actually really good. takes a while to grow on you.
Jun 29th 2014
218
It's better than Undun. Still in that space HIGO was for me
Jul 06th 2014
220
it was absolute garbage then, still is
Oct 19th 2015
224
How do you feel about this album in 2015?
Oct 18th 2015
221
Still listen to it regularly, & now that winter's coming even more n/m
Oct 19th 2015
222
Just listened to it for a first time in a while
Oct 19th 2015
223
absolute garbage then, still is
Oct 19th 2015
225
^^^^^
Oct 19th 2015
229
RE: How do you feel about this album in 2015?
Oct 19th 2015
226
Haven't listened to it in a bit, but I still liked it well enough last I...
Oct 19th 2015
227
Tomorrow? Flames. The rest? Meh nm
Oct 19th 2015
228
No joke, no snark, I don't remember a single song from it
Oct 19th 2015
230
^^^
Oct 22nd 2015
235
funny enough, I just revisited this album yesterday
Oct 19th 2015
231
didn't really dig it when it came out.
Oct 20th 2015
232
I dont want to get banned.
Oct 20th 2015
233
I can't sit through the whole album anymore
Oct 22nd 2015
234
zzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZz
Oct 28th 2015
236
RE: ... and the anonymous nobody
Sep 13th 2016
237
I'm re-listening to this right now
Sep 13th 2016
238
      The rest of the album:
Sep 13th 2016
239
gonna listen again
Sep 15th 2016
240
same here... De La got me going back to these 00/10's Roots LPs.....
Sep 15th 2016
241
It finally hit me...
Sep 17th 2016
242
this is a sentiment I've seen elsewhere; I think it's overblown
Oct 27th 2016
245
Dilla only did Dynamite
Jun 05th 2017
251
      True
Jun 05th 2017
253
YouTube vid of ?uest describing the album's themes and structure
Sep 17th 2016
243
How do you feel about this album in 2016?
Oct 27th 2016
244
Shouts to De La, once the ...and the anonymous nobody ended, my itunes
Oct 29th 2016
246
I missed this last year. It's really well written.
Jun 03rd 2017
250
      thank you.
Jun 05th 2017
252
I still don't like it.
Nov 01st 2016
247
Finally getting into this album and I love it but can see why others don...
Jun 02nd 2017
248
RE: Finally getting into this album and I love it but can see why others...
Jun 03rd 2017
249
      only 6 Black Thought verses...
Jun 05th 2017
254

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