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49. "you know what.. fuck it performance is only so relevant"
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yeah with jazz it played a big part. not even going to deny that. but classical... it was a given that didn't revolve around the individuals so much. the compositions far out lasted the performances. of course during the hey day there were no recordings, and what remains is merely the accounts of performances far and few between. every now and then you hear about a stellar soloist (really rare), a great conductor (often the composer himself), or a talented orchestra. but those were all given for the realization of the composition. it wasn't inherent in the performers themselves.

and so jazz was really a break from that in that it spotlighted the performer in as much regard as the orchestra and the composer once held. and those performance were truly a great part of the rise of jazz to the levels it achieved. but still the palate of expression layed around the composition, or in the case of jazz the compositional structure. within jazz the compositional structure was much freer than in classical and this freed the performer to take the spotlight.

this can be paralleled with the way that the strict confines of western theory created the structure by which the composition in its era could be given the spotlight, first by working within those rules and then by branching beyond them.

so it follows that these successions of eras need not walk in the exact same footsteps as their predecessors, but rather must navigate new grounds which those that went before were unable to do. and in this way electronic music fits the bill perfectly.
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imcvspl's Deep Thoughts: Electronic music is the Jazz of our era [View all] , imcvspl, Tue Mar-02-10 09:37 AM
 
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NOOOOOOOO NIGGA
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YESSSSSSSSSSSS NIGGA
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      NOOOOOOOO NIGGA
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           The fact you haven't pulled out your dick supports this post n/m
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                it supports the fact that I'm in a great fucking mood, pal
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                     you know i like to stay ahead of the curve with this stuff
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                          doubt it
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so you're just talking composition, huh?
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performance has a ways to go but slowly but surely
Mar 02nd 2010
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      ok.
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      you want it to be one way, but it's the other way
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           RE: you know what.. fuck it performance is only so relevant
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           don't understate things.
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           i agree with your sentiment here...
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                RE: i agree with your sentiment here...
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i used to say this back in the '90s and early '00s.
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and then there's that.
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                          RE: i used to say this back in the '90s and early '00s.
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                          thats the thing about FS/LS
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                               i think tim's an egomaniac
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                     the 'masses' hated bop and deplored hard bop
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                who is more talented than Liam Howlett?
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                many
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                you think there is ever gonna be another wave of popularity?
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                     as big as 1996-2001? not for a long time, i'd wager
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                          Amp was that shit!!!
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                               RE: Amp was that shit!!!
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                                    RE: Amp was that shit!!!
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                          but if you broaden the scope inclusively of all 'electronic music'
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                               im drawing a line between "electronic" as a prod. style and as a
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                                    but without the rise of electronic music, there'd be no ke$ha
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                RE: who is more talented than Liam Howlett?
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                http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=22238...
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if there's one thing we can learn from jazz - don't be scared of ridicul...
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i'm not scared of ridicule, in fact, i welcome it when i think i'm right
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      how about this for a challenge
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           RE: how about this for a challenge
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Man, you really, really, -REALLY- hate Pitchfork, don't you?
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      "and you should hate it, way more than you love it..."
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RE: imcvspl's Deep Thoughts: Electronic music is the Jazz of our era
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here's another key - through it the notion of performance has changed
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i think DJ culture is something entirely different.
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okay. i can get w/ that.
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deremo really understands what i'm getting at n/m
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this is false.... *cryptic message in sig*
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the problem with DJ's
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           i can agree with this but wouldn't limit it to the DJ
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RE: imcvspl's Deep Thoughts: Electronic music is the Jazz of our era
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two points... but only if you can qualify it with a direct parallel...
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in terms of innovation, I can agree; but there is no jazz of our era
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there's no need to defend its uniqueness
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RE: imcvspl's Deep Thoughts: Electronic music is the Jazz of our era
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did your friend laugh?
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Whatever it is, it's the latest version of expression.
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that doesn't mean you should just sample someone else's "expression" tho
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      That's still possible with a sample, really.
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           not the way you're doing it.
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                Thanks for saying that, but what electronic musician did I sample?
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                     four tet + aimee mann = mann-tet
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                          I sampled drums that he sampled. I don't think I've ever heard a
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                               RE: I sampled drums that he sampled. I don't think I've ever heard a
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                                    I did the Aimee Mann thing to make the drums stronger.
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                                         RE: I did the Aimee Mann thing to make the drums stronger.
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                                              Um... I didn't say that.
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                                                   RE: Um... I didn't say that.
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                                                        I am not aesthetically unaware, I am under-skilled. I don't know
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                                                             RE: I am not aesthetically unaware, I am under-skilled. I don't know
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                                                                  I have the keyboard. Using it effectively is a totally different issue.
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                                                                       you've seen that there are lots of tutorials on youtube
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                                                                            Good lookin out, I hadn't checked that thread in a few days.
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RE: imcvspl's Deep Thoughts: Electronic music is the Jazz of our era
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that which you call the tao is not the tao
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      RE: that which you call the tao is not the tao
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POSTJACK: More important music of the 20th century - Jazz or rock n roll...
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you'd have to qualify 'important'
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LTJ Bukem, DJ Shadow, Amon Tobin, Talvin Singh
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who noticed 'music' wasn't capitalized?
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composition? most of the electronic music i hear sounds chaotic
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no offense but your comments say you're listening to the wrong folk
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      i dunno, pal. i have some issues with your parallel
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           i'm with you on this, spirit
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           to note
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           RE: i dunno, pal. i have some issues with your parallel
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           addendum
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don't have a lot to interject with...
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i'm not buying this!!!
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I don't even agree with jazz being the classical of its era...
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My argument is really far-removed from the high-brow/low-brow debate
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      high-brow/low-brow is intrinsic to the debate
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maybe I'm missing the forest for the trees...
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always the bridesmaid, never the bride
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      discussion in one context doesn't imply lack of appreciation in the othe...
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Two months later... I still stand by this... perhaps moreso
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Eight months later I'd say it's undeniable
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      i would agree that it pushes the 'limits' of musicianship...
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in theory? Sure. In practice? Nah.
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RE: in theory? Sure. In practice? Nah.
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