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86. "Music is different, period..."
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The hardest thing about our social system is that everything is judged on how well it sells. We are all about the polished, finished product because if it sounds like Bad Boy or the Neptunes or Timbaland, then it will sell like them too and sales is the ultimate motivation for most records nowadays. The corporate business model would never support a well written, but poorly produced song because the listeners need it to have 48 tracks with each instrument having been perfectly chosen, mixed and presented in a format that sounds like everything else that's out there....

This kicks open the door for cats that can't write but have style to get paid. Look at how folks like Busta Rhymes, Mary J., and others have progressed in their career. They started out with well written artistic lyrics over less than amazing beats and now they do tracks with Mariah Carey, where they are hardly saying (or singing) half-assed lyrics over a sick beat...and whether or not the producer is well known, the sound is very "over-produced" to make up for the lack of artistry in the fiber of the song (lyrics that have a universal meaning/message).

Imagine Busta "Unplugged"...
*guitar strums*
Baby if you give it to me
I'll give it to you
I know what you like

Because of the very technical advances that made this change possible, music will quite likely never be the same....

Dope music still exists and always will...be glad there's the Internet so that you can find out about it...because my guess is that if a Bob Dylan were to hit the streets with his original demo today, he'd get laughed out of every record company/radio station around because his stuff doesn't sound like it was produced in a multi-million dollar studio. That's just where music's at because of DIY studios, because of the evolution of hip hop music, because corporations own the industry now, and because consumers don't buy the more artistic music...they'd rather buy millions of copies of 50 cent and Ja Rule talk about gunshots, murder, pimpin and bitches over Dre or Tim's dopest track than they would any underground artist who might actually write a cohesive song about anything of substance.



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Why do we call each other nigger? - Me

If you are going through hell, keep going" - Winston Churchill

Just my $.02...you can keep
the change.

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"Production" is overrated... [View all] , scorpion, Thu Aug-14-03 07:12 AM
 
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RE: "Production" is overrated...
Aug 14th 2003
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two different things though
Aug 14th 2003
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but how did this happen?
Aug 14th 2003
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Home and/or DIY studio equipment
Aug 14th 2003
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i say The Beatles.
Aug 14th 2003
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      I think most of The Beatles' material
Aug 14th 2003
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           the Beatles definitely had good material
Aug 14th 2003
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           Maybe Prince too
Aug 14th 2003
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           live performance of songs
Aug 14th 2003
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           i think this is wrong
Aug 14th 2003
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                see #34
Aug 14th 2003
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           RE: I think most of The Beatles' material
Aug 14th 2003
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           but come on...
Aug 14th 2003
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How did it happen? Here's why
Aug 14th 2003
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      well... not exactly.
Aug 14th 2003
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           Now there's a question
Aug 14th 2003
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                well...
Aug 14th 2003
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                     Right
Aug 14th 2003
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                     well the basslines are never really heavy either..
Aug 14th 2003
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                          they don't really have basslines as we know them
Aug 14th 2003
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                               I heard they use plectrums *eeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwww*
Aug 14th 2003
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                               yup.
Aug 14th 2003
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                                    um...
Aug 14th 2003
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                               yeah
Aug 14th 2003
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                               does the bassline have as prominent a place
Aug 14th 2003
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                                    don't open that can of worms...
Aug 14th 2003
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                                    true
Aug 14th 2003
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                     RE: well...
Aug 14th 2003
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                     RE: well...
Aug 14th 2003
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                          OK so what we're actually talking about is
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                               i think it might have been the other way around
Aug 14th 2003
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                               so it's the technology
Aug 14th 2003
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                                    It's ironic your name is Greg....
Aug 14th 2003
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                               production = the sound
Aug 14th 2003
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                     yeah....drums are to black music what geetars are to
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                     I think the combination could be slammin
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                          I agree
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                               led zeppelin
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                                    speaking of the drums
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                                    RE: speaking of the drums
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                                    i check for those..thanks (n/m)
Aug 14th 2003
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                     they used to
Aug 14th 2003
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...you're buggin'
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RE: ...you're buggin'
Aug 14th 2003
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      you simply...
Aug 14th 2003
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           here's why it's a bad analogy
Aug 14th 2003
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                *sigh*
Aug 14th 2003
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                     when you use the word 'production'
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                     RE: when you use the word 'production'
Aug 14th 2003
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                     i dont think hip hop counts in this discussion
Aug 14th 2003
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                          hip-hop isn't about 'songs'
Aug 14th 2003
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                          RE: i dont think hip hop counts in this discussion
Aug 14th 2003
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                               RE: i dont think hip hop counts in this discussion
Aug 14th 2003
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                                    RE: i dont think hip hop counts in this discussion
Aug 14th 2003
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Let's not blame it all on producers...
Aug 14th 2003
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in terms of black music
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which is the reason
Aug 14th 2003
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that threw me for a loop..'splain please
Aug 14th 2003
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the actual songs
Aug 14th 2003
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      thanks... I needed that
Aug 14th 2003
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      not really
Aug 14th 2003
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RE: which is the reason
Aug 14th 2003
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RE: in terms of black music
Aug 14th 2003
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      cry me a river kinda sucks
Aug 14th 2003
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agreed
Aug 14th 2003
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Wait a minute...
Aug 14th 2003
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      RE: Wait a minute...
Aug 14th 2003
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      no it's not.
Aug 14th 2003
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           RE: no it's not.
Aug 14th 2003
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                actually, that's the problem.
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      exactly.
Aug 14th 2003
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           RE: exactly.
Aug 14th 2003
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           everybody doesit differently
Aug 14th 2003
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                thats true
Aug 14th 2003
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           I think it works in both ways..I mean
Aug 14th 2003
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           i disagree
Aug 14th 2003
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                I'm thinking all inclusive
Aug 14th 2003
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           good lyrics can make a song better though
Aug 14th 2003
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                that's true in a sense
Aug 14th 2003
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                     i agree
Aug 14th 2003
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                          then in that case is the MC really worth anything?
Aug 14th 2003
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                          in the big picture, maybe not
Aug 14th 2003
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                          Rap = voice as percussion instrument
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                          RE: then in that case is the MC really worth anything?
Aug 14th 2003
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                          RE: i agree
Aug 14th 2003
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a lot of neo soul is all production
Aug 14th 2003
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word
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co-sign
Aug 14th 2003
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RE: a lot of neo soul is all production
Aug 14th 2003
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ARCHIVE
Aug 14th 2003
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RE: "Production" is overrated...
Aug 14th 2003
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      co-sign ....
Aug 14th 2003
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RE: "Production" is overrated...
Aug 14th 2003
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Maybe not Maybe so
Aug 14th 2003
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this post needs more contemporary examples
Aug 15th 2003
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Aug 16th 2003
97

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