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""There is no such thing as Black music....""


  

          

"...just good music and bad music..."
"...only American music..."
"...cuz *fill in the blank* people were there, too..."
"...cuz music doesn't have a race or color..."

Agree or disagree?

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"There is no such thing as Black music...." [View all] , scorpion, Mon Oct-18-10 11:12 AM
 
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as a genre no
Oct 18th 2010
1
are any of the above arguments valid, IYO?
Oct 18th 2010
3
      for not discussing 'the state of black music' no?
Oct 18th 2010
8
There is such a thing as BLACK MUSIC
Oct 18th 2010
2
nobody starts it though
Oct 18th 2010
46
meh.
Oct 18th 2010
4
i'm w/you.
Oct 18th 2010
6
good visual analogy....
Oct 18th 2010
7
i agree. i would add. . .
Oct 18th 2010
14
i agree w/all of that.
Oct 18th 2010
16
RE: i agree. i would add. . .
Oct 18th 2010
17
      why do Stevie or Sly need more props?
Oct 18th 2010
20
      you dont think they deserve any more?
Oct 18th 2010
      you dont think they deserve any more?
Oct 18th 2010
22
      .
Oct 18th 2010
24
      not really, no.
Oct 18th 2010
28
      .
Oct 18th 2010
23
      RE: why do Stevie or Sly need more props?
Oct 18th 2010
25
           i'd like to see more of those books.
Oct 18th 2010
29
                i'd rather us writing the general books
Oct 18th 2010
49
      RE: i agree. i would add. . .
Oct 18th 2010
21
That's about what I figured; I understand that reasoning on
Oct 18th 2010
34
      that's where this question comes from.
Oct 18th 2010
40
           ^^^^^^^^^SEES IT^^^^^^^^^^^
Oct 18th 2010
48
           the doors of the church are now open. won't you please come?
Oct 19th 2010
88
i agree with both paragraphs
Oct 18th 2010
47
false. we can argue semantics all day.
Oct 18th 2010
5
well said
Nov 04th 2010
213
all I know is, trying to associate yourself with achievements of people
Oct 18th 2010
9
is it equally pathetic...
Oct 18th 2010
11
well obviously, yes. It's the same thing
Oct 18th 2010
41
no surprise there.
Oct 18th 2010
12
yeah but you're a brit n/m
Oct 18th 2010
13
... And?
Oct 18th 2010
42
      *syntax error*
Oct 18th 2010
43
           Ah. I get it
Oct 18th 2010
44
It's not about associating with the achievements of others though
Oct 18th 2010
52
but WHY would you want to do that? (identify communities...)
Oct 18th 2010
53
      You're misunderstanding it.
Oct 18th 2010
54
      Er'ybody kno chinee food is sum black shit
Oct 18th 2010
63
      what are these certain sonic qualities unique to music by black people?
Oct 18th 2010
66
           it IS political.
Oct 18th 2010
68
           the african diaspora is so wide...
Oct 18th 2010
69
           european settlement is so wide...
Oct 19th 2010
93
                funny thing is your 'point' is valid
Oct 19th 2010
132
                     'order' can mean practically anything
Oct 19th 2010
134
                          late taking the bait again
Oct 19th 2010
136
                               this reminds me of one of my favourite Usenet posts
Oct 19th 2010
147
                                    did you not read the rest of what i wrote
Oct 19th 2010
149
                                         im not even sure what you;re trying to argue
Oct 19th 2010
151
                                              allow me to break it down then
Oct 20th 2010
205
           *blink*
Oct 19th 2010
87
      i tried in #6.
Oct 18th 2010
55
      Because black people invented it.
Oct 18th 2010
56
           because we're not supposed to...
Oct 18th 2010
57
           that's another problem with this avenue of discussion
Oct 18th 2010
59
                who does this?
Oct 18th 2010
61
                (i gather this is a rhetorical question)
Oct 18th 2010
70
                     yeah, it was.
Oct 18th 2010
71
                what youre arguing is unrealistic and imaginary.....
Oct 18th 2010
62
                The Damaja don't like *SONGS* to be grouped together
Oct 18th 2010
65
                which is a great tragedy -
Oct 18th 2010
73
                     you're thinking like an adult posting like a teenager right now
Oct 18th 2010
74
                     I've got a Facebook account. Can I get writing credit for The Social Net...
Oct 18th 2010
76
                          no but you're British so you can claim The Beatles.
Oct 18th 2010
77
                               British people are actually the worst for this
Oct 18th 2010
79
                                    this is what i was fishing for with 13 n/m
Oct 18th 2010
80
                                    yup, you can claim all of the British spoils of war.
Oct 18th 2010
82
                                         i'd say the second American-British war was more an L for you
Oct 18th 2010
83
                                              nope, sorry.
Oct 18th 2010
85
                     i can claim Louis Armstrong and you can't!
Oct 18th 2010
75
                White people invited the guitar and the piano.
Oct 19th 2010
91
                     The blues was originally played on banjo.
Oct 19th 2010
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                     and jazz didn't start on piano
Oct 19th 2010
131
                     The white man invented the piano and the guitar.
Oct 19th 2010
156
                          LOL! Says who?
Oct 19th 2010
158
                               History books? One of the reasons Beethoven was so revered
Oct 19th 2010
160
                                    right... just like history books say Chris Columbus discovered America.
Oct 19th 2010
162
                                    You proved my point with your reply. Peep game.
Oct 19th 2010
178
                                    Please stop.
Oct 19th 2010
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                                         I said some not all.
Oct 19th 2010
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                                              RE: I said some not all.
Oct 19th 2010
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                                                   That means some not all. Thanks.
Oct 20th 2010
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                                                        You are very dumb.
Oct 20th 2010
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                                                        You missed the point.
Oct 20th 2010
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                                                        RE: That means some not all. Thanks.
Nov 04th 2010
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                     take the L bro
Oct 19th 2010
148
                          there is no L here bro.
Oct 19th 2010
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           you're playing the race card!
Oct 18th 2010
58
           i don't have a problem 'admitting' what black ppl invented personally
Oct 18th 2010
60
                what's broad abt it....its pretty simple...
Oct 18th 2010
64
                     why then would i ever use this phrase, if that's its definition
Oct 18th 2010
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                          European music has a term
Oct 18th 2010
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                               ^^GOSPEL^^
Oct 18th 2010
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                               CHUUUUUCH!!
Oct 19th 2010
150
                               word n/m
Nov 04th 2010
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i'll bite.
Oct 19th 2010
86
      i didn't say it wasn't understandable
Oct 19th 2010
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           a few points.
Oct 19th 2010
94
                To be sure
Oct 19th 2010
98
                     You are posting so Ayn Rand right now
Oct 19th 2010
99
                     totally.
Oct 19th 2010
101
                     She ethered that shit though
Oct 19th 2010
122
                          Ayn tends to appeal to the young and idealistic
Oct 19th 2010
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                               *shrug* i don't know anyone else who's read her books
Oct 19th 2010
135
                                    No, it's just an observation.
Oct 19th 2010
174
                     lol at "unoppressed"
Oct 19th 2010
102
                          um, that's a powerful post, but
Oct 19th 2010
103
                               if that's not what he is saying, he'll have to clarify
Oct 19th 2010
106
                                    he was talking about Whitey.
Oct 19th 2010
107
                                         okay, that makes sense. nevermind.
Oct 19th 2010
108
                                         That said, I like it when whte Brits 'lay claim' to Black music
Oct 19th 2010
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                                              i think they tend to put too much on it.
Oct 19th 2010
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                                                   Yes, that is the downside of it.
Oct 19th 2010
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                                                   when you look at the young rolling stones, the beatles and all them
Oct 19th 2010
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                                                   i never connected it to the bleakness of postwar Europe/UK.
Oct 19th 2010
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                                                   yup.
Oct 19th 2010
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                                                   see #57
Oct 19th 2010
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The statement "There is no such thing as black music"
Oct 18th 2010
10
Opening Up A Big Can Of Worms I See
Oct 18th 2010
15
this is not a shock post....in ANY way shape, form, or fashion
Oct 18th 2010
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      I Just See This Post As "Which Came First, The Chicken Or The Egg"
Oct 18th 2010
27
i thought this post subject was gonna be along the lines of...
Oct 18th 2010
18
Negro Please!!!!!!!!! R.Kelly Makes Black Music Yo!
Oct 18th 2010
26
oh, maxxx.
Oct 18th 2010
31
      i stand by my statements
Oct 18th 2010
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           i'll just LOL and KIM.
Oct 18th 2010
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                yeah I'm laughing and Moving to Black Music
Oct 18th 2010
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                     i'm not sure how much of this is schtick and how much is realz.
Oct 18th 2010
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                          i don't know if that's ever clear.
Oct 18th 2010
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                          it's 100 percent schtick that comes from a 100 percent real place
Oct 19th 2010
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                               *claps*
Oct 19th 2010
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                               that might have been the best thing i've ever seen written on OKP
Oct 20th 2010
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                                    ha! thanks.
Oct 21st 2010
208
** bumpin Ohio Players all in this party **
Oct 18th 2010
30
If there is no such thing as "Black Music"...
Oct 18th 2010
32
this is a good shock post
Oct 18th 2010
36
God Called, he would finally like to see this horse enter heaven unscath...
Oct 18th 2010
45
There is no American music genre without the Black musical
Oct 18th 2010
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White Americans fucking kill me.
Oct 18th 2010
51
aka black people can't have shit...lol
Oct 18th 2010
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It's so simple.... I don't know why it's hard for people to understand
Oct 19th 2010
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i don't know why it's a problem.
Oct 19th 2010
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      There's actually a subtle racism inherent to that kind of thinking, imho...
Oct 19th 2010
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           hence the
Oct 19th 2010
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                RIGHT ON!!! (I'll say it for you)
Oct 19th 2010
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                     exactly
Oct 19th 2010
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RE: aka black people can't have shit...lol
Oct 19th 2010
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      i didn't stutter
Oct 20th 2010
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           RE: i didn't stutter
Oct 20th 2010
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                fair enough
Oct 20th 2010
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RE: "There is no such thing as Black music...."
Oct 18th 2010
84
So who decides what "black music" is??
Oct 19th 2010
90
What 'white' people contnue to fail to understand is
Oct 19th 2010
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when they dont like it, THEN its Black music...
Oct 19th 2010
113
...and that's the subtle racism I was talking about.
Oct 19th 2010
115
take somn like reggae....
Oct 19th 2010
117
      ..but do people actually claim that it's not?
Oct 19th 2010
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      LOL
Oct 19th 2010
123
      Why reggae?
Oct 19th 2010
161
i've heard this rhetoric a thousand times before since i was a kid
Oct 19th 2010
126
you've fallen into the trap of wild generalization
Oct 19th 2010
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      I don't shy away from it at all.
Oct 19th 2010
127
           i can't handle this level of vagueness
Oct 19th 2010
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                dog, we get it...but it only makes sense to YOU
Oct 19th 2010
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                i kind of doubt that you do
Oct 19th 2010
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                like I said: I discussed this at length for almost 10 years
Oct 19th 2010
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                RE: like I said: I discussed this at length for almost 10 years
Oct 19th 2010
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                I live in America, dude.
Oct 19th 2010
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                well that's politics
Oct 19th 2010
145
                ill jus respond here simply
Oct 19th 2010
152
                     are you sure about this?
Oct 19th 2010
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                          RE: are you sure about this?
Oct 19th 2010
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                               you appear to contradict yourself
Oct 19th 2010
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                                    RE: you appear to contradict yourself
Oct 19th 2010
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                it really does come down to "Black folks cant have shit..."
Oct 19th 2010
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                IT NEVER HAPPENS DAMAJA!!!
Oct 19th 2010
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                     not as blatant as that. but just CTRL-F for ' our'
Oct 19th 2010
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"My music isn't Black music" -Daryl Hall
Oct 19th 2010
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The thing is that while he's rejecting the label 'black music'
Oct 19th 2010
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Em what Sowhat, Scorp, imvscpl and Orfeo said..
Oct 19th 2010
146
basically white people dont like being told it aint yours
Oct 19th 2010
154
There it is (c) RUN-DMC
Oct 21st 2010
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I dunno
Oct 19th 2010
155
Interesting reading here.
Oct 19th 2010
164
I actually share his feelings on collectivism too
Oct 19th 2010
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RE: I actually share his feelings on collectivism too
Oct 19th 2010
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      Well, of course.
Oct 19th 2010
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           RE: Well, of course.
Oct 20th 2010
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Afkap compared the term to the phrase 'Western Civilization'
Oct 19th 2010
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LOL
Oct 19th 2010
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      i thought i made that abundantly clear by now
Oct 19th 2010
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           Then maybe you should have posted explicitly about that issue
Oct 19th 2010
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           post no. 9 n/m
Oct 19th 2010
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           lol ur crazy
Oct 20th 2010
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b
Oct 20th 2010
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      RE: b
Oct 20th 2010
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           lol...i forgot your post-modernist soap box :-)
Oct 20th 2010
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Damaja I think your buggin
Oct 19th 2010
172
culture is 'real', but it bleeds/evolves and can't be firmly codified
Oct 19th 2010
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      RE: culture is 'real', but it bleeds/evolves and can't be firmly codifie...
Oct 20th 2010
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           classifications are fine, but they tend to last too long and be taken
Oct 21st 2010
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It's idiotic to think culture, environment, and race don't affect music.
Oct 20th 2010
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a culture has no more claim on an artist who writes about it
Oct 20th 2010
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      RE: a culture has no more claim on an artist who writes about it
Oct 20th 2010
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           just so long as we understand that a culture
Oct 20th 2010
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                RE: just so long as we understand that a culture
Oct 20th 2010
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                     yes
Oct 20th 2010
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                          RE: yes
Oct 20th 2010
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I don't think one has to get too deep about it...
Oct 20th 2010
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fuck's wrong with that damaja guy
Oct 20th 2010
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for your convenience, here is a summary of this post in video form
Oct 20th 2010
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      here's an image of the ideal reply to all of your comments in this post:
Oct 20th 2010
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           lol n/m
Oct 20th 2010
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ur culture isn't what ur ancestors ate/sang, its what you ate/sang.
Nov 04th 2010
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