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> I keep hearing people say "They should have ran a Apple Maps (with Apple data) beta concurrent with the Apple Maps App with Google Data (the maps app in iOS 5 and below.)"

I haven't heard any of this.... all I've heard was "why didn't they wait till it was ready?" But you're welcome to provide relevant sources if you want.

> But they might not be able to ship another map application on iOS while they had the agreement with Google.

Irrelevant. It's Apple's closely defended ecosystem, why would Apple ever agree to a stipulation like that? Does that sound like *anything* Apple would do?

> I think the terms of the agreement may have been unpalatable to Apple. (I'm still unclear about a maps on the web replacement.)

Certain elements were unpalatable to both sides; don't try and protect Apple in this. Both sides had elements they refused to budge on.

From WSJ:

"New tensions emerged when Apple grew concerned that Google was aggressively gathering data from the app, according to people familiar with Apple's thinking. Mr. Schiller worried it could compromise users' privacy, these people said.

Google executives felt Apple was unreasonable in insisting on controlling the look of the maps app and enabling only some of its features—like an "a la carte menu" where Google provided only the "back end" technology that powers it, according to a Google executive.

The two sides bickered over a Google Maps feature called Street View, which lets people see an actual photo as if they are standing in the street. Apple wanted to incorporate Street View on the iPhone just as Google already offered it for Android phones. Google initially withheld the feature, frustrating Apple executives, according to people on both sides of the debate.

Apple executives also wanted to include Google's turn-by-turn-navigation service in the iPhone—a feature popular with Android users because it lets people treat their phones as in-car GPS devices. Google wouldn't allow it, according to people on both sides. One of these people said Google viewed Apple's terms as unfair.

Google executives, meantime, also bristled at Apple's refusal to add features that would help Google. For instance, Google wanted to emphasize its brand name more prominently within the maps app. It also wanted Apple to enable its service designed to find friends nearby, dubbed Latitude, which Apple refrained from doing, said people on both sides."



> Also, who at Google decided to NOT build a maps application in house for a case like this?

Maybe because Apple let them know last minute that they were removing it from iOS6? Google provided the API for the app, but Apple built the old maps app using their data. Why would Google bother building an iOS Maps app well over a year before the contract would expire?

From Verge (the first paragraph!):

"Apple's decision to ship its own mapping system in the iPhone 5 and iOS 6 was made over a year before the company's agreement to use Google Maps expired, according to two independent sources familiar with the matter. The decision, made sometime before Apple's WWDC event in June, sent Google scrambling to develop an iOS Google Maps app — an app which both sources say is still incomplete and currently not scheduled to ship for several months."


> In the meantime Motion X, Garmin, TomTom, Waze,Mapquest,Navigon, and other mapping applications have an opportunity to fill this gap. Plus maps.google.com works pretty well for everything except turn by turn.

Great. You go do that then.

  

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The next smartphone war: Maps (swipe) [View all] , wallysmith, Tue Jun-05-12 12:08 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Maybe Google should throw a hissy fit and start suing everyone else.
Jun 05th 2012
1
Apple not off to a good start?
Jun 15th 2012
2
Good thing they have a while before this goes out to the
Jun 15th 2012
3
      Actually, I have very little gripe with the products.
Jun 15th 2012
4
      ????
Jun 15th 2012
5
           Right on time.
Sep 07th 2012
9
      Only during WWDC:
Jun 15th 2012
6
      Whoa.... How prophetic this was.
Sep 20th 2012
13
Side by side pics of the flyover feature
Jul 27th 2012
7
How Google Builds Its Maps
Sep 07th 2012
8
This article carries that much more perspective now.
Sep 20th 2012
12
I'm surprised they didn't roll this out years ago.
Sep 07th 2012
10
Would not be surprised if they were developing this app
Sep 21st 2012
15
Nokia would win, but it doesn't really matter
Sep 07th 2012
11
http://i49.tinypic.com/10ruxl5.jpg
Sep 21st 2012
14
That is awesome
Sep 23rd 2012
16
lol
Sep 23rd 2012
17
Apple "aggressively" recruiting?
Sep 23rd 2012
18
Don't use Apple maps for emergency situations.
Sep 24th 2012
19
This is a cross post from me about maps
Sep 26th 2012
20
      Hey look, a reasonable response from handle.
Sep 26th 2012
21
           Don't do that
Sep 26th 2012
22
                That's fine, I'm not trying to disagree with you.
Sep 26th 2012
23
Apple had over a year left on GMaps Contract (swipe)
Sep 26th 2012
24
The timing is really, really odd.
Sep 26th 2012
25
What were the terms?
Sep 26th 2012
26
      Read the articles.
Sep 26th 2012
27
      Nope, they don't
Sep 26th 2012
28
          
      Yeah. If I'm Nokia, I wouldn't definitely move to making
Sep 26th 2012
30
           I meant would, not wouldn't
Sep 26th 2012
32
                Have you actually used Nokia's maps app?
Sep 27th 2012
33
                     Briefly. Seems very solid.
Sep 27th 2012
35
Pogue's take.
Sep 26th 2012
31
Pogue's follow up on Google Maps, including Compass feature
Sep 27th 2012
34
I didn't read that shit but compass mode has been around for years.
Sep 27th 2012
36
Well, would you look at that.
Sep 28th 2012
37
early 2008 even (vid)
Sep 28th 2012
43
when will people relize guys like pogue
Sep 28th 2012
38
      What are you talking about?
Sep 28th 2012
39
           LOL
Sep 28th 2012
40
                Ah, the needless insult. I missed that.
Sep 28th 2012
41
                     that was theproblem
Sep 28th 2012
45
We know our maps are shitty. Here are links to alternatives! (swipe)
Sep 28th 2012
42
They should have just called the shit a beta test.
Sep 28th 2012
44
      The funny thing is...
Sep 29th 2012
47
           I had the 4 so I'm new to the Siri world.
Oct 01st 2012
49
I like this post
Sep 28th 2012
46
Public transportation directions
Sep 29th 2012
48
dude, literally everyone knew
Oct 01st 2012
50
Aren't all individual feature wars moot? Android wins every time
Oct 01st 2012
51
Ugh.
Oct 01st 2012
52
Old posts are fun!
Dec 20th 2017
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