QB Dylan Raiola (5*) flipped from Georgia to Nebraska last minute (I'm old enough to remember seeing his dad play there).

USC QB Malachi Nelson to the portal; this one was a bit surprising but I guess not so much when you consider Riley was portal shopping for a QB. Nelson was a 5* big fish that flipped from OU to follow Riley when he went to USC. can't really argue with Riley's quarterback development acumen so I wonder why Nelson didn't do enough in two years to get his coach's endorsement.

The massive need along the offensive line has been addressed. Colorado has picked up five linemen in Matthew Bedford (Indiana), Kahlil Benson (Indiana), Tyler Johnson (Houston), Justin Mayers (UTEP) and Yakiri Walker (UConn) who’ve made a combined 114 career starts and played more than 8,100 snaps.

-- The Athletic

>The massive need along the offensive line has been addressed.
>Colorado has picked up five linemen in Matthew Bedford
>(Indiana), Kahlil Benson (Indiana), Tyler Johnson (Houston),
>Justin Mayers (UTEP) and Yakiri Walker (UConn) who’ve made a
>combined 114 career starts and played more than 8,100 snaps.
>
>-- The Athletic

Those players are coming from programs that had losing records this season and none of those are big time programs. They do have a lot of snaps and experience but only 2 have played in a P4 conference and have P4 experience.

A competent OL. It remains to be seen if these players can play together as a cohesive unit. The OL isn’t like WR or RB where you can just plug and play.

I'm guessing deion won't be around long enough to deal with bringing in 5 kids in a recruiting class

UM can get him right

let's see who manifests better, lol

https://247sports.com/article/signing-day-recruiting-coaches-desire-generational-jeremiah-smith-but-what-does-the-nations-no-1-recruit-want--223476756/amp/


>QB Dylan Raiola (5*) flipped from Georgia to Nebraska last
>minute (I'm old enough to remember seeing his dad play
>there).
>
>USC QB Malachi Nelson to the portal; this one was a bit
>surprising but I guess not so much when you consider Riley was
>portal shopping for a QB. Nelson was a 5* big fish that
>flipped from OU to follow Riley when he went to USC. can't
>really argue with Riley's quarterback development acumen so I
>wonder why Nelson didn't do enough in two years to get his
>coach's endorsement.

Except we lose to our rival :(

>https://247sports.com/article/signing-day-recruiting-coaches-desire-generational-jeremiah-smith-but-what-does-the-nations-no-1-recruit-want--223476756/amp/
>
>
>>QB Dylan Raiola (5*) flipped from Georgia to Nebraska last
>>minute (I'm old enough to remember seeing his dad play
>>there).
>>
>>USC QB Malachi Nelson to the portal; this one was a bit
>>surprising but I guess not so much when you consider Riley
>was
>>portal shopping for a QB. Nelson was a 5* big fish that
>>flipped from OU to follow Riley when he went to USC. can't
>>really argue with Riley's quarterback development acumen so
>I
>>wonder why Nelson didn't do enough in two years to get his
>>coach's endorsement.
>

> can't
>really argue with Riley's quarterback development acumen so I
>wonder why Nelson didn't do enough in two years to get his
>coach's endorsement.

nowadays there's a lot more variables that come into play outside of basic talent evaluation

it's made it all pretty boring to follow IMO

Riley taking a guy who was more or less benched at Kansas State and only has one year of eligibility left (not that that itself is damning, Jalen Hurts was basically in the same position when he went to OU)

Nelson leaving puts another dent in Riley's already thin recruiting resume at SC

sc people seem to know that this could get real ugly real quick. caleb covered up an awful lot of warts (and potential losses) and the defensive rebuild could take a solid 2-3 years.

it's funny to think about the carroll stretch where mulitple elite qb's stayed in the system for 3-4 years before getting their chance to start.

maybe nelson could've been a legit player had he been given the time to develop and grow.


>Riley taking a guy who was more or less benched at Kansas
>State and only has one year of eligibility left (not that that
>itself is damning, Jalen Hurts was basically in the same
>position when he went to OU)
>
>Nelson leaving puts another dent in Riley's already thin
>recruiting resume at SC

in the NFL

so, no, they are not QB U

>so, no, they are not QB U

he got benched at bama and then transferred out, that's like saying Caleb Williams counts for OU or Kyler Murray is part of A&M

If he had stayed at Bama, he might not get drafted and I don’t think he would have developed as well as he has without his year at Oklahoma.

Even when USC supposedly had it , Sanchez and Barkley were garbage in the NFL

Leinert was ok

Palmer was good but not great

Alabama but literally their last 4 qb’s have been starters in the nfl even with Mac Jones getting benched this year does anybody compete with that? I know osu is close with Stroud, Fields and Haskins, who was before him? JT Barrett? Did he play in the NFL?

i think he got drafted in late rounds but never made the final roster


I feel comfortable in saying we can be considered for WR U

USED to be DB U, but idk anymore



>Alabama but literally their last 4 qb’s have been starters
>in the nfl even with Mac Jones getting benched this year does
>anybody compete with that? I know osu is close with Stroud,
>Fields and Haskins, who was before him? JT Barrett? Did he
>play in the NFL?

His taste and loyalty for his DC did him in this year, but his track record of QBs has to be unmatched in the last 20 years.

they already brought in one corner from Oregon State and have offered several more, which is what I have been clamoring for the past two years

S Tamarion McDonald -> Ole Miss
- He was average on his best day and had some really bad beats, watching him during the Missouri or bama games and you wonder how he was a starter for two years (mental mistakes galore)

CB Doneiko Slaughter -> Arkansas
- Showed promise as an underclassman but got worse with more playing time

CB Warren Burrell -> Georgia Tech
- Always hurt or buried on the depth chart

S Brandon Turnage ->
- bama transfer but way too stiff to play in the secondary and not a good tackler, frankly it was scary whenever he had to be on the field

I don't think any of the above are super talented, but if they end up playing much better in the SEC then you can only blame Willie Martinez at this point (which would not be a surprise)

but also peace the fuck out, he has gone into the portal three times and Tennessee can live without the majority of his sacks coming against shitty teams

Haven’t seen this level of recruiting in 25 years. If the results on the field are there(against a soft schedule) next year, I’m excited that this could really take off.

not discounting him, just quite amazing he is able to pull together some national recruits to a program that was regional-based even in its glory years, all in a couple of weeks

>not discounting him, just quite amazing he is able to pull
>together some national recruits to a program that was
>regional-based even in its glory years, all in a couple of
>weeks

Though in the best of times, Syracuse did very well in New Jersey and that’s where a lot of these kids are from, with a few from Georgia following him.

Doing well in NJ/NE/PA and grabbing a few from Florida or something would be enough to do well in the ACC IMO.

raw talent but a definite talent -- especially in the ACC

No real clue what to expect Year 1, but he’s done a good job saying the right things, bringing back Jaquez Moore, nabbing Murphy. Fans are cautiously optimistic.

can he take a step back from the defense and be a head coach?

concerns the OSU contingent have expressed about Ryan Day and the offense are definitely in play

it's Duke football

yeah.

lol

Either it won't work out and we'll move on in 3-4 years, or it'll work out beautifully and he'll leave the second it does. Either way, it is what it is.

>concerns the OSU contingent have expressed about Ryan Day and
>the offense are definitely in play

not really the greatest comparison tho since day has not been near the disaster diaz was at miami. but both may be far better suited for coordinator roles.

personally i think its a crap hire for duke

should be interesting to see how he plays against a very good Iowa defense

they were much more deceitful in the B1GCG than they had been all year, with cover 3 and 2high man that looked exactly the same until the very last second

but beyond that...why is this happening? what does Joe Milton think hes gonna spend the next 2 weeks doing thats going to do more for him than a good showing against an elite defense?

what "draft status" is he trying to protect? did some dummy give him a second round promise trying to be Captain Save-a-QB?

to give Nico an early start on 2024; he's a little different in regards to his motivations and I definitely give him credit as a great teammate

I don't hold anything against a departing player for opting out of a non-playoff game at this point, for whatever reason -- trying to stay healthy and maximize your draft chances is one of them

i dont think Heupel would take away a guy's last chance to impress the NFL, and I dont think Milton has done enough to be able to afford passing on that opportunity

i think Milton is making a financial mistake if he really "opted" out, not that he owes anyone something

or is someone other than myself going to have to risk disrupting the okp user experience by creating a separate thread?

all players are from the UA All-America game

****

Did you sign with the school that offered you the best NIL deal? If not, how much did you leave on the table to sign with where you ultimately decided to go?

• It wasn’t a big difference for me in terms of the total package. All the schools offered about $300,000 to $400,000 per year with the ability to earn more.

• I left some money on the table, about $50,000. But I signed with my dream school.

• I had another school offer me the same NIL deal in total, but with a signing bonus. The signing bonus would’ve been basically a really nice car. The NIL deal is like an NFL rookie contract. I had an agent handle it all for me. As soon as NIL came out, my dad was like, “You need an agent.” When schools call, they have the position coach, head coach and the money man from the collective call you. That last guy is the one who talks about NIL with the agent.

• I signed with the team that gave me the best chance to make the NFL, not the most NIL money.

• I didn’t sign with the school who offered me the biggest NIL deal I could’ve gotten, but coming from where I come from, any money I receive from a college is life-changing money.

• I signed completely off the bond I built with coaches. I didn’t start talking about NIL until recently. I’ll be making about $80,000 to $100,000 per year. A couple other schools had similar offers.

• No, I didn’t. I signed with (my school) and they gave me like $90,000. I feel like it’s not really about the money for me and I like (my school). … I want to say (my best offer was about) $200,000. They came in the process late and (my school) was there since my freshman year so it was easy.

• I didn’t sign with the school who offered the biggest deal. In total, it was probably about $300,000 in difference for the three years. Why did I go to the school offering less money? Because in the long run I could go somewhere where I can stay focused — not be distracted — and get on the field right away.

• I left some money on the table. I didn’t bring up NIL until my official visits. One team told me if I committed early and helped bring other guys in, they’d give me $40,000 a month up until I signed. But I didn’t sign with them.

****

Did you partake in any trolling of fan bases with comments on social media for your personal enjoyment?

• A little bit. I’d put out photos of myself at a school I wasn’t visiting just to see what people might say. There were times I’d put out like statements — like you’d do if you were decommitting — to scare people. You just need to have fun sometimes.

• I trolled people indirectly. Usually it was our rival. As far as adding followers, I added teams to my list at times and it worked.

• Yeah. I was trolling (a rival school), like posting stuff saying I was gonna commit there. I was just doing it for fun.

• Me and one of my high school teammates would send out certain hashtags and emojis to get fan bases from other teams on social media riled up. It was more about being bored and wanting to do something to see how people might react.

• I dropped a top 10 when I was really only looking at four or five schools. I did it for the followers. I got like 231,000 views for it and picked up followers.

• Every day. To get my followers up? Every day. Gosh. All the emojis, all the question marks, “Is this home?” I was getting all my committed friends to send me messages just so I could reply and be like, “Should I come here?” Follow me up. Follow me up. Follow me up.

****

Who were the nicest coaches you met during the process — from schools you didn’t sign with?

• Sonny Dykes at TCU and Jim Harbaugh at Michigan. Dykes is a family-oriented coach. I have the utmost respect for coaches from Texas.

• I really liked (Georgia) coach (Kirby) Smart, (ex-defensive backs coach) Fran (Brown). (Miami defensive coordinator Lance) Guidry and (executive director Dennis Smith). Just good people. They talk to you about more than football.

• (Florida’s Billy) Napier is a really good dude. So is (Mike) Norvell at Florida State. Coach (Kirby) Smart is a business guy.

• (SMU’s) Rhett Lashlee. He was the most genuine head coach. You can tell it was the real him. Some coaches like to put a face on during the game and another off the field. He was him on and off the field. That’s actually how he acts and moves.

• (Miami’s) Mario Cristobal and (Penn State’s) James Franklin. It doesn’t have to be just about football with them.

• (Ohio State’s) Ryan Day. You feel like you can talk to him about anything.

• (Alabama’s) Nick Saban. He was different than I expected.

• I want to say between (Tennessee’s) coach Heup (Josh Heupel) and (Oregon’s) Dan Lanning. Coach Heup, down to earth guy. … He’s really nice. Off the field, he’s a nice guy. Good person and he actually cares about his players. He knows his players. His players can come to him, and I see that with my own eyes. And then Dan Lanning, not a lot of people know this, I’m not sure, but his wife had cancer. … I feel like just to open up about that — because he knew me for probably about four or five, six, seven months (and) he’s known his wife probably for forever — I don’t know how to say it, but he’s a soft heart.

****

Who was the weirdest or most arrogant coach you met during the process and why?

• Probably (Colorado’s) Deion (Sanders). It’s all love though. He goes about it in his own unique way. It’s not arrogance — just cockiness.

• (Rutgers’ Greg Schiano) was too robotic.

• Nobody was really arrogant. (Clemson coach Dabo) Swinney isn’t stuck in his ways but doesn’t really want to change much.

• I’d say coach Saban. My mom wasn’t happy with him. We were at a table eating and he acknowledged me, but not my parents. My mom said, “If you’re acknowledging my son, you should acknowledge me.”

• (Ex-Texas A&M coach) Jimbo Fisher. I watched him in practice. He yelled and cussed at guys too much.

• Fisher and Saban. Talking to Saban felt like talking to a robot. It didn’t feel real.

****

We heard recruits could make money just for taking an unofficial visit to a school. How many times did you take an unofficial visit just to collect some cash?

• I mean there’s probably somewhere between 45 to 50 kids I know who did it. Usually it was around $6,000 to $7,000. You do an interview with this podcast, come down, we’ll pay for your room, your trip, etc.

• I don’t know what you’re talking about.

• I did it a couple times. It was less than $1,000 each time.

• I took like five or six unofficials. I didn’t get paid every time.

• I didn’t know you could do that. For real? I wish I would have — I would have been collecting. Oh my gah. I didn’t have that. I wish.

****

If you could fix one thing about the recruiting process what would it be and why?

• Coaches should be able to talk to you whenever they offer you in high school. Starting earlier is smarter.

• Having to pay to go anywhere for an official or unofficial. If you’re not within a two- to three-hour driving distance, expenses should always be covered.

• Less calling. Coaches call way too much. Let us be kids and enjoy life.

• Can’t take visits if you’re committed. If you’re locked in and want to take a trip, you can’t do it. That’s one thing I agree with Dabo Swinney about. Don’t lead a school on.

• For me, more money. Definitely more money. For all of recruiting, I would say let the coaches just text players earlier. There’s just random dead periods. That’d be the thing I’d change.

• Bring back the photo shoots. People need to have fun on their visits. I got my chance to do it. I took photos everywhere. But I know other guys that didn’t get a chance to.

• I would probably say going to more games. Not necessarily in my area. I went to a lot of games in my area, but I would probably say more games around the country. But I really wasn’t trying to — that’s a lot. I wish I would have, though.

• Being able to be recruited before your junior year. It’s a dumb rule you can’t. I mean as soon as you enter high school that’s when things get real anyway.

• I’ll say this: I wish they could do the rankings based off what you do in an actual game, rather than what you do in a 7-on-7 tournament. At the end of the day, we’re playing football. So I think the best football player should be ranked the highest.

It's good that the athletes are smarter at this than adults give them credit for. Although, as an adult, the thought of high schoolers trolling recruiters at other schools, people who owe their livelihood to bringing in top athletes, doesn't sit well. But then again, they're 17 and 18. That's what they do. LOL

The anecdote about the athlete's family's situation being improved by the NIL money was heartwarming.

The quotes about the recruiting skills of the head coaches aren't terribly surprising. But Saban was out of pocket for not acknowledging the parents. When I read that, I could see my mother saying the same thing if an adult didn't acknowledge her if they were invited to my home. LOL

one-year rental, was connected to USC but maybe Moss scared him off with that bowl game :)

>one-year rental, was connected to USC but maybe Moss scared
>him off with that bowl game :)

Nolan years away from being impactful

One more year of this fat fuck and then we can hit the reset button inshallah

brings size, EXPERIENCE, and the ability to run which absolutely has to be integrated into the offense. he's just not a good enough passer to rely on that aspect of his game.

supposedly day will be gutting the offensive staff and bringing in a real OC to call the plays which im sure will pay dividends. but it's a reactive move that probably falls under the category of too little too late. which will be an interesting dynamic since it should be a pretty good team next year if most of the defensive players return as expected.

a record setting dark horse Heisman candidate from a preseason top 5ish team

wtf

and his circle

NIL was apparently fine

neither party is going to be benefit from separation

>

just like the will howard transfer

We need major changes in coaching staff, from O line to D - line to safeties , special teams etc

get another portal OL and an OC to make the calls and we're headed in a good direction

yeah gone head and drop that lawsuit and sit tf down

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-ncaa-levies-significant-penalties-on-florida-state-for-nil-recruiting-violations-002044975.html

Thirty months into the era of name, image and likeness, the NCAA is finally dropping the hammer.

The association is levying significant penalties on Florida State football, one of its NIL collectives and a booster, as well as an assistant coach, for NIL-related recruiting violations in the most serious and unprecedented sanctions handed down in the first 2 1/2 years of NIL. Multiple sources with knowledge of the decision and penalties spoke to Yahoo Sports under condition of anonymity.

The sanctions, wide-ranging and broad, are tied to a spring 2022 recruiting event and are part of a resolution negotiated between the school and the NCAA.

A Florida State assistant coach, offensive coordinator Alex Atkins, is found to have committed two Level II violations, which include impermissible recruiting activity and facilitating impermissible contact with an NIL-related booster. Atkins is alleged to have driven a prospect and his parents to a meeting with a leading member of the school’s NIL collective, Rising Spear.

During that meeting, according to the NCAA, the booster encouraged the prospect to enroll at Florida State and offered him an NIL opportunity with the collective worth approximately $15,000 per month during his first year at the school.

As part of the penalties, Atkins will be suspended the first three games of the 2024 regular season and is given a two-year show-cause. A show-cause requires schools who hire Atkins to explain the decision to NCAA officials. Atkins is expected to remain on FSU’s staff in his current role.

In a first of its kind in the NIL era, the school must disassociate with the NIL collective representative for a term of three years. The school also must disassociate from the NIL collective for one year. As part of the dissociation, FSU cannot accept assistance from the collective and the collective cannot contribute to the athletic program in any way. However, the collective is free to continue working with FSU athletes on NIL endeavors.

Other penalties, which were confirmed by the NCAA Thursday, include:

- two years of probation.

- scholarship reductions of 5% over the next two academic years.

- a reduction by seven in official recruiting visits for 2023-24.

- a prohibition on recruiting communication for six weeks over the next two academic years, including this next week (Jan. 12-18).

- a prohibition on communication with athletes in the transfer portal from April 15-21.

- a reduction by 18 evaluation days this spring.

- a financial penalty of 1% of the athletic department’s budget.

The NCAA’s rules around NIL are murky. The association only has an interim NIL policy that provides guidance to programs — a policy that is under continuous change in this ever-evolving landscape of athlete compensation.

In fact, the organization adopted new guidance just this week around NIL, but those changes are not retroactively applied. The organization also adopted new recommendations on Thursday that permit schools to have more communication with collectives and facilitate deals with enrolled athletes.

The NCAA sanctions are the latest issue in which FSU is thrust into the news cycle.

head coaches are openly tampering on Twitter and we're supposed to care about a kid in the transfer portal having a bag meeting with a NIL booster?

when you can absolutely legally buy players

NIL is literally pay for play

I thought the HC was responsible whether he knew or not right? Why are we only finding out about this now? Where were the weekly leaks? Where's ESPN and Pete Thamel to defame FSU at every turn?


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glad he isn't going to another SEC team

another program's turn to get kicked in the balls

but yeah, the whole thing just feels dirty.

everyone just has to be down in the mud with everyone else or you lose.

but, while we're down here, i hope he can convince every good player at Arizona to transfer to UW, cuz we need them since all of our good ones ALSO transferred or went to the league.

need Caleb Downs to go to Ohio State

Kayden Proctor needs to go home to the Big 11 too

besides him and Bond, the others haven't been stars or not even starters.

I'm anxious about those leaving but also the recruitment since the OC/DC aren't familiar with SEC land.

but, ya know... we'll see how that goes

but Georgia is going to be loaded anyway, I'd rather at least have one of the two get weaker

>need Caleb Downs to go to Ohio State

we didn't use him enough, but he should get some burn out there.

speculation that he might follow O'Brien to osu. shit is wild out here.

Austin Mack just transferred from UW to Bama to follow DeBoer. I can just about guarantee DeBoer is pegging Mack to be the starter.

I've never gotten to see Mack play while he was here cuz he RS'd, but everyone says he looks like Cam Newton and throws like Michael Penix Jr.

so....yeah.

bama fans are in the denial/mini-meltdown stage (probably not tariqhu; most normal bama fan I've seen on the internet)

blaming Saban for his retirement timing

blaming Downs and the rest of them for NIL bag chasing

saying they are better off with DeBoer and it was time for a change anyway

these guys were recruited by one of the best recruiters in CFB history and bama fans got it confused that their "brand" was the one doing all the work

>saying they are better off with DeBoer and it was time for a
>change anyway

to play the 'what if' game would we have seen the same level of attrition with lanning?

cautionary tale for osu as i think their roster would similarly implode if Day were canned

we know he can turn around a team, but we've never seen him build or sustain one at the P5 level

DeBoer hasn't won many national recruiting battles, and the stretch of states between East Texas and North Florida is the most competitive recruiting region in America

if DeBoer had more of a recruiting reputation you could chalk it up to the game, but at this point the jury is out

Lanning probably recruited half these bama defections himself at Georgia so that is a unique comparison, but he'd definitely have a leg up IMO

bama fans last night: "Sayin is locked in"
bama fans today: "DeBoer probably told Sayin to bounce because he had Mack coming in"

lmao

cuz he left the cupboard bare here. he didn't really recruit anyone.

he might be the illest coach ever and the best recruiter ever - time will tell, but he won with the guys that were here from the prior administration.

his biggest move was bringing Penix, but he had the advantage of already knowing him from Indiana.

he had just come off back to back season-ending injuries

again, DeBoer can coach, and even with these defections he is bringing back a stacked roster -- he is about to lose 7 five-star recruits, but will have *11* STILL ON THE TEAM

but the expectation is to compete for national titles every season, and you cannot sustain that pace without the type of insane recruiting run Saban was on

the timing is poor and Bama can't really bring people in while losing these guys.

these kids came to play for the GOAT. Lannning would have possibly kept a better hold because of things because he's familiar with things and folks here know him, but he's not Saban. he also lost to our new guy twice in the same year. so he still would've faced a lot of skepticism.

Debo has no ties here. then he gets coordinators who aren't recycled from the Saban/SEC tree. so folks are going wild with the blame.

next year will be weird, but I'm not really bothered. no choice but to wait and see. we still have a ton of talent and I don't think Milroe will leave, but who knows. my thought is that he'd be better off staying and playing for the guy that helped Penix become a star vs going to start over somewhere else.

osu going scorched earth on the portal lol

even the biggest Day hater has to admit that man can win a national recruiting battle against anybody

>even the biggest Day hater has to admit that man can win a
>national recruiting battle against anybody

like, drastically changed

there was going to be some level of shakeup after losing to mich. but i can't help but think that mich winning it all is what set this program over the edge.

had bama pulled out the rose bowl im not sure we're sitting here today in the same position.

has the warchest going crazy??? Or is your NIL program just the bomb in terms of connecting players with opportunities?

and im enjoying them conceding that their leadership and philosophy have failed.

>and im enjoying them conceding that their leadership and
>philosophy have failed.

I’m not sure how trying to get better or adapting to the times *via legal means* is a concession of failure.

Nor can I imagine how any mich fan would derive any level of enjoyment when comparing osu and mich’s respective off-seasons.

>Nor can I imagine how any mich fan would derive any level of
>enjoyment when comparing osu and mich’s respective
>off-seasons.

Joel Klatt actually talked about this on his pod today - and I definitely agree. Look back over the history of college football and when one rival wins it makes the other up their game, whether it's the Florida schools, the SEC rivals, out west, whatever. OSU being progressive with NIL should also push us to not sit back and rest. We've been getting it done with less recruiting success but that isn't sustainable going forward.

And also trust me...after the chip we won, and the way it happened, we are in FULL ENJOYEMENT mode this offseason. The Rose Bowl win over Bama is JUST now starting to set in/ Let along the chip itself.

>We've been getting it done
>with less recruiting success but that isn't sustainable going
>forward.

to your other point, Michigan fans are spending their offseason as defending champions

why would I find that less enjoyable than being the also-ran on a spending spree trying to catch up?

like “nah they gonna get this work!”

You right though. The idea of us two weeks after winning the chip caring about the transfer portal wins OSU is getting is worse than when they used to accuse us of celebrating Denard’s “September Heisman”.

and if they turn out to be the program equivalent to Todd Marinovich after their dad spent all that money to give them a leg up, its gonna be party time

> The idea of us two weeks after winning the
>chip caring about the transfer portal wins OSU is getting is

not like i asked for commentary from mich fans. nor did i even mention mich. check the initial posts/replies in this sub-thread which are about bama transfers only. of course, feel free to contribute to the convo if you want. but don't create some phony narrative about what's being discussed just so you can knock it down and call it pathetic, lol.

cgnoz made a nonsensical comment about osu's portal as a concession of failed leadership and philosophy. when if anything it's been a doubling down and reinvestment in the existing program. most of the NIL money has gone to bringing osu's draft eligible players back (sound familiar?). if there was any sort of concession of systemic failure the existing roster would've been told to kick rocks and the coaching staff including day would've been cleared out. hasn't happened.

yes osu is being more aggressive but this is also just dumb luck that the GOAT decided to hang it up. and it just so happened that osu was a close runner-up in caleb's recruitment out of high school. if caleb transferred to uga as expected nobody would've cared or made comparisons to todd marinovich(?) or talking about 'illegal inducements', lol.

We just beat an Alabama team that had more 4 and 5 star talent on it than any team in the country, while our recruiting rankings have been out of the top ten for years, so it’s not like I’m shaking in my boots because of OSU having a crazy talented roster. Y’all always have talent. Honestly expect us to have a couple down years coming up, because while our defense will still be really strong we’re losing a lot of the roster, and have a strong chance of losing both Harbaugh and Minter. And I’m okay with a couple down years…because after the last three years and the chip this year the smile on my face ain’t going away.

It’s interesting to me from the perspective of the changing college landscape with the portal and NIL to see what happens. For Michigan specifically, it’s always been difficult for underclassmen to transfer in because our admissions department is nitpicky with undergrad transfer credits. We had a Stanford transfer come in and have some credits not transfer because they didn’t line up exactly with the major requirements at Michigan, so it’s not even some bougie stuff about academics, it’s just an antiquated system. If schools are all reloading like crazy through the portal, we need to get that straightened out and modernized, or it won’t just be a couple down years but we’ll get left behind.

>it’s not like I’m shaking in my boots because of OSU
>having a crazy talented roster.

but again to be clear, nobody in here was asking y'all to shake in your boots. like i get that's what mich twitter trolls *want* so they can come back with the 'cope harder!' stuff and memes and whatever. but this aint it.

>Honestly expect us to have a couple down years coming up,
>because while our defense will still be really strong we’re
>losing a lot of the roster, and have a strong chance of losing
>both Harbaugh and Minter. And I’m okay with a couple down
>years…because after the last three years and the chip this
>year the smile on my face ain’t going away.

I appreciate the reasonable take.


>For Michigan specifically, it’s always been difficult for
>underclassmen to transfer in because our admissions department

again i was under the impression that mich has utilized the portal extensively in recent years

>again i was under the impression that mich has utilized the
>portal extensively in recent years

for undergrads, the more classes theyve taken the less likely they will be admitted, because most of those credits wont carry over

Ernest Hausmann and Jaishawn Barham are the only undergrads UM has admitted in the last 3 years

4 underclassment and 5 seniors

glad we got that one straightened out

just checked, they are

now wasnt that interesting??

>just checked, they are
>
>now wasnt that interesting??

that would be pretty funny.

and didnt mich greatly benefit from the transfer portal these last few years? as well as use NIL money to convince many draft eligible players to return?

>Michigan fans are spending their
>offseason as defending champions

I don't really care how mich fans/cult members are spending their offseason. im more concerned about what the respective teams are doing.

>why would I find that less enjoyable than being the also-ran
>on a spending spree trying to catch up?

lol, there is absolutely nothing about the mich program right today that needs catching up to. they have no coach, lost the heart of their team to the NFL, they've gained zero recruiting/portal momentum after their greatest season in 30 years, they have 2 NCAA and 1 FBI investigation looming which are going to result in sanctions of a yet tbd severity, and the roster is not good enough now or in the foreseeable future to compete for championships.

so for you to emphasize that it was done legally is a hopeful take, not a fact

EDIT: and all the rest of that nonsense is hilarious coping that makes it seem like it would be better to NOT be the current reigning 3x defending Big 10 champ AND current defending national champion at the same time.

since you wouldnt really know, take it from me...its not.

'adapting to the times' by launching a multiyear illegal cheating scheme

clearly you consider it more ethical and admirable to fund such a scheme than it is to legally compensate players. everyone spent years pounding the table for players to get paid and now here we are and suddenly people aren't digging it, lol.

as far as i know, there are basically no rules regarding NIL and therefore anyone signing players from the portal (including mich) are doing so legally.

>so for you to emphasize that it was done legally is a hopeful
>take, not a fact

ok so if i need to be hopeful about the legality then you're insinuating that penalties may come as a result from these portal acquisitions. honestly, first ive heard of this concern.


>EDIT: and all the rest of that nonsense is hilarious coping
>that makes it seem like it would be better to NOT be the
>current reigning 3x defending Big 10 champ AND current
>defending national champion at the same time.

uhh, it 'makes it seem like it' in your head because you're desperate for an idiotic back and forth. winning a championship doesn't have to precipitate what's currently going on at mich. winning a NC should catapult a program to a better position. anyways, i recommend twitter for the current vibe you're on lol.

>since you wouldnt really know, take it from me...its not.

yes, i have absolutely no idea what it feels like to watch my team win things. y'all are really bugging the fuck out lol.

Or who is responsible for what.

They advertise for these fan collectives but I don’t know anyone who actually donates to that shit.

all we know is that if a coach drives a recruit to an otherwise permissible meeting on a visit, the NCAA will put their foot directly in your ass

are doing. Some are following the guidance to a letter with zero school involvement with the NIL collectives. Some are connecting current with the collectives, but offering zero promises to recruits/future players. Some are going all in with the collective and the school working hand in hand, and are literally making offers to recruits (both high school and at other schools).

Then you randomly see the NCAA enforcing a rule on FSU about a coach driving a student to a meeting and I know other schools had to be thinking “I didn’t know we couldn’t do that…”

Auburn would have made the mad-making go into the space program but prefer non-SEC teams

seems to be a lot of mixed opinions on this

at this point I'm just happy to have an adult in the press box. the previous offensive staff was a complete joke so there's really only room for improvement here.

that has no bearing on this but its always been hilarious to me that he left them high and dry after 1 year

if he left too abruptly for the local fanbase then you could say he was ahead of his time since that's standard procedure today

No one should have been surprised he used it as a resume builder for an NFL job.

He does suck tho, so great hire.

ULTIMATE death penalty, and he led them through that with major restrictions successfully. Folks weren’t blaming him for leaving for the NFL when he did.

As for this hire, I don’t know. Could be great - with the talent on that roster along with Ryan Day giving up playcalling duties he could be great. But not a good sign the way Bama kinda gave him a firm handshake regardless of the success that offense had while he was there (it’s hard to say because of Bama’s crazy expectations. Anything short of a chip annd they and looking for heads to roll.) But we all saw what happened with the Patriots this year.

That’s the thing - with both Saban and Belichick’s coaching trees it’s a weird type of Russian roulette hiring their coordinators whether they had success or not in the role. Partly because of talent on the roster (good or bad) and partly because it’s ambiguous how much control/credit/blame there is for the coordinators because both Saban and Belichick RAN those teams.

>Folks weren’t blaming him
>for leaving for the NFL when he did.

i also remember him making some pretty lofty comments about his status w PSU towards the end too

maybe ive got a glitch here, but i remember a lot of bad feelings

and he more than exceeded any reasonable person’s expectations - given the dire situation he walked into. That still remains his zenith as a coach - imo.

I honestly haven’t followed him too much since he left PSU, but it definitely seems like his reputation has taken a hit and his stock is much lower. He’s probably best served as an OC, but could see him thriving as a HC in the right college environment.

But for BOB at the time the only real beef was with the Paterno loyalists at PSU. Here’s the post where we talked about it in OKS for reference…

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2283016&mesg_id=2283016&listing_type=search

there were bad feelings, but they CAME from him lol

justifiably so too, since it seems he got the Rich Rod treatment from the friends of the program

> But not a good sign the
>way Bama kinda gave him a firm handshake regardless of the
>success that offense had while he was there

and then hired...Tommy Rees.

>and
>partly because it’s ambiguous how much control/credit/blame
>there is for the coordinators because both Saban and Belichick
>RAN those teams.

but with both being defensive guys my *guess* is that o’brien had more creative control and autonomy then he'll have at osu. he's not bringing the bill o'brien offense to osu. he'll be running the ryan day offense and will hopefully plug some holes (short yardage) to make it better . I think he's competent and experienced enough to get that done.

o'brien is replacing urban's unqualified 31 year old son-in-law (corey dennis). that's an upgrade no matter how you slice it. dennis is now sliding into a non-coaching role at osu. you'd think a young coach whose resume includes working with fields and stroud would have programs kicking down his door to scoop him up but clearly not.

personal meaning he was a Ralph Friedgen disciple at Georgia Tech when i was in high school and my freshman year. Ralph was the guy calling plays for Joe Ham, and then George Godsey. When Ralph left to coach Maryland, he became the OC, and those 2 years were...alright. When O'Leary, Godsey, and those receivers were there, they fell off a bit but mostly hummed along. When they weren't, it crashed and burned after O'Leary left to embarrass himself at ND and Gailey replaced him. That only lasted one year and he was shown the door for Patrick Nix.

Hes a good playcaller, but idk about as a QB coach, Bryce Young notwithstanding. Will Howard is perfect for him for this year, but it might behoove OSU for Day to stay heavily involved with the QBs. BOB doesnt have a sparkling record of developing them.

>but it might behoove OSU for Day to stay heavily
>involved with the QBs.

I'm sure he will.

All of the proposed OC candidates had their share of warts. It had to be an experienced coach - bringing in another learn on the job type guy not going to happen as that's already been a disaster in the day era (coombs) and osu needs to win NOW.

They weren't going to get Sark or Lincoln Riley to come in and call plays. No one on the list of experienced candidates was gonna come in and crater an established successful offensive system with all that talent so just pick someone and let's get started on 2024.

my guess is that it will get figured out this week

he was a five-star freshman out of Louisiana last season, so this is a big move for Heupel after taking a hit with Gerald Mincey going to Kentucky

also three of Tennessee's outgoing defenders who committed to Ole Miss wound up at Louisville of all places

dude de-committed after Saban retired but Deboer got him back in the fold somehow.

this is a good win and hopefully helps brings or keep others.

https://x.com/duckscrootin/status/1749573078705934495?s=20

Where the Top 10 @247Sports prospects out of California ended up:

3- Oregon (Breland, Johnson, Fields)
1- Alabama (Brown)
1- FSU (Itete)
1- Georgia (Frazier)
1- Notre Dame (Viliamu-Asa)
1- Ohio State (Sayin)
1- Oklahoma (Brooks)
1- Texas (Baker)

per state law the job would have to be posted for 7 days. according to the detroit news, the university finally agreed to the bill self paragraph like 3 hours ago, after pondering it for a month.

i dont think it was predestined to go down this way, but oh well. this is the first time in my life a Michigan coach wasnt fired or didnt retire, and im glad there is continuity in place. Minter assumedly gone with him. Thats mildly concerning, but id like to think they were preparing for that after last year.

This was a crazy run. Totally worth it.

...for saving his career.

Hopefully he doesnt embarass himself or my alma mater again this year with his idiocy / incompetency

Go undefeated, Win out the regular season schedule, and I'll be happy.

12 team playoff is a crapshoot and I'm not expecting anything out of him there, especially when hes failed miserably in a 4 team playoff







per state law the job would have to be posted for 7 days.
>according to the detroit news, the university finally agreed
>to the bill self paragraph like 3 hours ago, after pondering
>it for a month.
>
>i dont think it was predestined to go down this way, but oh
>well. this is the first time in my life a Michigan coach
>wasnt fired or didnt retire, and im glad there is continuity
>in place. Minter assumedly gone with him. Thats mildly
>concerning, but id like to think they were preparing for that
>after last year.
>
>This was a crazy run. Totally worth it.

>This was a crazy run. Totally worth it.

This was the best timing. He left after winning a chip. Who knows what the future will be - the CFB landscape is going through a huge change this year with the super conferences, 12 team playoff, NIL, transfer portal, Saban retiring, etc. Out schedule in 24 is insane. We don’t know who our QB will be.

We don’t know who Moore will have on the coaching staff…I’m sure Minter is going with Harbaugh. I would love to keep the Ravens style defensive scheme we’ve had the last few years, but with a first time head coach I feel like we need a DC who has had experience as a DC vs promoting that from within with someone like Clinkscale. Honestly I feel the same on the offensive side, though I could see Hart getting the promotion.

I expect a couple down years, but with this changing landscape I’m not sure what a “down year” is. The goal used to be going perfect through the regular season to get in the 4 team CFP with a chance at a chip. But now with the much tougher regular season in the B1G, and the fact that one or even two losses doesn’t put you out of the 12 team playoff, the goal will likely be to get through the regular season with no more than 1 loss or maybe 2 if you have other solid quality top 10 wins, but teams will be built for competition in the playoffs more similar to the CFB.

We’ll see. But if we’re going to compete we need our admissions office to get on board with modernizing our undergrad transfer requirements so we can be aggressive in the portal. And we need Moore to be recruiting based on the success of the last three years.

>This was the best timing. He left after winning a chip. Who
>knows what the future will be - the CFB landscape is going
>through a huge change this year with the super conferences, 12
>team playoff, NIL, transfer portal, Saban retiring, etc. Out
>schedule in 24 is insane. We don’t know who our QB will be.

im pretty sure its gonna be Jadyn Davis, and this is the best spot a freshman QB will ever step into. OL that we can trust is just reloading and not rebuilding, an absolutely LOADED backfield, the best safety valve in the country, YAC guys, and a very hostile defense with returning All Americans. its not unreasonable to think UM can be 5-0 when they hit the road to go to Washington. Oregon at home is a blessing, and OSU on the road is pressure-free house money. 10 wins is absolutely in play.

>We don’t know who Moore will have on the coaching
>staff…I’m sure Minter is going with Harbaugh. I would love
>to keep the Ravens style defensive scheme we’ve had the last
>few years, but with a first time head coach I feel like we
>need a DC who has had experience as a DC vs promoting that
>from within with someone like Clinkscale. Honestly I feel the
>same on the offensive side, though I could see Hart getting
>the promotion.

i dont think Mike Hart is first in line. Kirk Campbell is probably the guy there, and I would expect Hart to step into that job when Campbell moves on. Which is good. He can be run game coordinator for Campbell (and probably AHC), and then when Hart slides into OC they can hire a passing game coordinator.

Defensively, Im choosing to believe that they planned for this last year knowing Minter was a hot commodity, and have someone in mind. Chris Hewitt may be a name to watch.

>I expect a couple down years, but with this changing landscape
>I’m not sure what a “down year” is. The goal used to be
>going perfect through the regular season to get in the 4 team
>CFP with a chance at a chip. But now with the much tougher
>regular season in the B1G, and the fact that one or even two
>losses doesn’t put you out of the 12 team playoff, the goal
>will likely be to get through the regular season with no more
>than 1 loss or maybe 2 if you have other solid quality top 10
>wins, but teams will be built for competition in the playoffs
>more similar to the CFB.

a down year will be 8-4, or a Lloyd-ishly frustrating 9-3 that we will swear should have been undefeated, and i dont think the former is very likely. they are going to physically overwhelm 8-9 teams on the schedule every year, and winning 1-2 swing games has you living at 10-2 as a baseline. 2025 might be different since we dont know what we're going to see on the defensive front, but Elston deserves some faith.

>We’ll see. But if we’re going to compete we need our
>admissions office to get on board with modernizing our
>undergrad transfer requirements so we can be aggressive in the
>portal. And we need Moore to be recruiting based on the
>success of the last three years.

Ill be honest, as long as the Barners, Wallaces, and Nugents of the world still want to get shined up in AA then i dont really care what the Dante Moores of the world do. those kinds of hungry experienced but relatively unheralded players to patch holes are fine with me.

You're right about Campbell - he's likely next in line. I know JJ loved him. Some folks on MGoBlog are posting rumors that Hart is leaving also.

I don't follow recruiting enough these days to know about Davis and if he's the type of QB who could be ready as a freshman. I know he's dropped in the ratings but I think the ratings have been trash the last few years so I take that with a grain of salt.

id hate to see him go because he's really come into his own as a RB recruiter, but maybe an internship somewhere else would be good. i actually think he's going to be UMs head coach at some point.

Jadyn Davis just never grew after he was the #2 ovr player after his sophomore year. if he was 6'3 instead of 6'0 he would still be a 5* bc his play developed like it was supposed to.

And agree re: Hart being a future Michigan head coach. Also I know Harbaugh was high on Grant Newsome as a future head coach, he could slide into the OL coach position this year.

he needed to dip before shit hit the fan like Carrol did

Kirby, Dabo and Mack Brown. that's it. one is at his dream job and most fanbases demanding titles would revolt if their school hired the other two next winter.

just a reminder for everyone who thinks their school should be doing a lot better at head coach. wait until the 12-team playoff normalizes and then we can more accurately judge what it takes.

id be absolutely mortified if Michigan were to hire anyone currently coaching anywhere else in America.

Kirby wouldnt fit (not related to his proficiency at all just fyi), Lanning has cost his team games all on his own, and everyone else is just bleh.

Chris Klieman would probably be less upsetting than everyone else, but there would be obvious recruiting questions.

>wait until the 12-team
>playoff normalizes and then we can more accurately judge what
>it takes.

but now that it has, i already much preferred when what it took was the ability to go 12/13-0

the national championship used to tell you who the best team was, and thats not necessarily gonna be the case anymore. any coach that can be right at 9/10 wins a year is fine. lloyd carr was truly a man born ahead of his time.

>the national championship used to tell you who the best team
>was, and thats not necessarily gonna be the case anymore.

QB rotation cost them MSU, then a very weird defensive meltdown vs Illinois

after that Henson stopped rotating in and they rolled. they would have had a realistic chance to win a 12 team playoff, and they may have been "the best" in the way that UGA fans have been saying it about themselves, but FSU-VT was the rightful national championship game.

i kinda dont want to be in a club that would have "me" as a member in that scenario. college football was a lot more fun when a loss to illinois could ruin your whole season. that tension is gone until your THIRD loss!

i already hate it

Now it will be an advantage to have big games early in the season to test where you’re at and make changes from there. Because that risk is gone in terms of losing a game and being out.

The Game is also completely different (and other rivalry week games). There might even be some years where it makes sense to rest certain starters during rivalry week to get ready for the playoffs like the last week of the NFL. Not to mention - who care about conference championships at that point.

should be a great atmosphere

and to my knowledge not one player has decommitted or entered the portal since the Harbaugh news broke

uh...OK? every single P5 school should just lawyer up if the NCAA comes knocking about NIL penalties and keep it moving

Carson Beck, unbuttered white bread of a QB that he is, is now wealthy based on the crowdfunding of people who want him to play for their favorite team, the responsibility of which has been outsourced to them for free by the people making billions off players' efforts and contributing nothing

Sounds about right

today...not so much. maybe reuniting with Ryan Day lights a fire under him, but that generic pro style shit he was doing at UCLA aint it.

> but that generic pro style shit he was doing
>at UCLA aint it.

and by fix, i mean make it effective in short yardage

but im curious to see how this works, or doesnt. either way will be interesting.

and bring in elements to run the qb a little bit since that clearly has not been day's strong point

with henderson and judkins im not sure if you need to be running the qb 15 times per game but it needs to be a valid threat

But a power 5 head coach leaving to become an OC at another school in conference is WILD.

and not much fight to keep him, or even recover a buyout, apparently

>But a power 5 head coach leaving to become an OC at another
>school in conference is WILD.

head coaches dont want to deal with the nonsense

the *rumor* was that chip no longer wanted head coaching responsibilities and just wanted to coach ball. im sure there's more to it than that as UCLA is kind of a weird place but it seems like a legit variable.

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In an interview before being hired by the Packers with CBS Sports Network college football analyst Adam Breneman, host of the Next Up With Adam podcast, Hafley from his Boston College offices said he missed being an actual coach on the field.

"Now that I’m the 'general manger' and you’re trying to manage 'the cap' and you don’t really know what the cap is and now you’re fundraising," Hafley said. "I mean I want to coach football. I want to coach more defense than I did last year and now it’s just prioritizing again. I got to coach again. I miss coaching DBs, but how am I going to do that and that’s what I need to figure out."

But yeah I get how in this case it’s a story about having less CEO responsibilities and being able to focus on one thing. We’ll see how it goes.

most notably with the NIL/portal and coaches dont want to deal with it.

i think chip and hafley are at two very different points in their career. I'm gonna 100% speculate here but my guess is that hafley wants to be nfl HC one day whereas chip doesn't.

hafley is actually a great recruiter and he'd be expected to deliver in that capacity if he landed as a DC at bama or a place like that. chip has earned the ability to go be an OC somewhere and tell everyone to fuck off if they ask him to recruit. this works at osu because you have day and hartline to recruit the offense.

so as long as the money is right (and it will be at the elite schools), I dont think it really matters to chip whether he's an OC at the college or nfl level. but maybe he'll prove me wrong on that if he bounces after 2 years to be an OC in the league.

guess i was wrong.

the idea of chip having zero responsibility other than to sit in a room all week to game plan sure is appealing

you're swapping out urban's unqualified son-in-law (now in a prestigious analyst position at utah for urban's buddy wittingham) for chip kelly? you can't be serious.

beat our ass in the Shoe..on the 100th anniversary

>the idea of chip having zero responsibility other than to sit
>in a room all week to game plan sure is appealing
>
>you're swapping out urban's unqualified son-in-law (now in a
>prestigious analyst position at utah for urban's buddy
>wittingham) for chip kelly? you can't be serious.

we NEEED a game plan where there are at least 10-15 designed QB runs, RPO/Zone read plays

sick and tired of this NFL/pro style that Day's dumbass has been using and holding back the offense with

also if Brian Hartline could teach the WRs how to block, that would be nice...guys like Evan Spencer, Dixon, Mike Thomas, were amazing blockers

>Sounds about right

i assume that rather than look for the next MacDonald or Minter they just went straight to the source and decided to build their own

they'll get a year or two out of him with Clinkscale serving the same apprenticeship that the last 2 served, and when Wink goes back to the NFL off the back of the best starting XI in cfb, Clink will be THE guy.

i love this. just gotta hire 2 position coaches and theyre set.

they're gonna come thru a coaching change without losing a single impact player or exciting prospect. Amorion Walker and Darrius Clemons were disappointing exits but that was as soon as the season was over.

what I've learned this week. I've heard optimists talk about him as the architect or the Ravens defense we've been running, and pessimists talk about how old he is and the fact that he hasn't coached college in 20 years.

That being said, neither Minter or MacDonald before him were big college guys from a recruiting standpoint - they let the other assistants and Harbaugh himself run with that side while they focused on being DC. Also the coaching staff needed some experience on it with Moore as a fist time HC and Campbell as a first time OC. Losing Herbert to the Chargers sucks - he was really important for the culture of the program. Also hurts losing Elston. I'm thrilled that we are keeping Clink though. And yeah - the defense will be loaded from a talent standpoint if we keep holding on to our players (I know other schools have been going HARD after many of those guys with NIL offers.)

On the offensive side I hope we can keep Hart. I'm cautiously optimistic with Campbell as OC, and very happy with Newsome coaching the DL.

but Minter and Mac had only Minters 2 years at Vandy between them both as far as college experience goes, and they will definitely look to fill the DL and LB spots with serious recruiters.

im pretty sure the major reason hes here is to give Clinkscale an AP Defense class before he gets the keys, and they have no illusions about him staying longer.

I wonder if he was waiting to see if he’d get the DC job, and once he didn’t he accepted Harbaugh’s offer. This one hurts.

very odd sequence of events given that he had to have known 3 days ago that he wasnt going to be offered the job

he’d be back based on what he’d told them.

It will be interesting to see how the defensive staff is built now. Wink has been out of college long enough that he doesn’t have direct connections. Sherrone is a new head coach so he doesn’t have connections himself. And we will NEED some experienced recruiters on that defensive staff. Clink was huge in recruiting. But that defense has lost their head coach, DC, DL coach, LB coach, DB coach, and their strength coach.

this is secondhand info from mich message board 'insiders'?

> Losing Herbert to the Chargers sucks

the S&C position is useless in the nfl whereas in cfb it means the world

watching harb leave and then gut the staff after the university sold out to stand behind him at all costs has certainly been interesting.

I don’t out it all on Harbaugh though. Unprecedented situation with a school winning the CFP and the head coach leaving immediately to the NFL. Not unusual for a coach to bring staff from college to NFL, it just doesn’t normally Doesn’t happen right after a chip.

Herbert hurts since like you mentioned - that role is WAY more important I. College than the NFL. He also told the players he was staying. But supposedly Harbaugh sold him on doing something new with S&C in the NFL. Herbert was reportedly one of the biggest factors in setting the culture at Michigan, and Harbaugh wants to duplicate that.

In the positive side for me as someone who likes to manage expectations, this actually all helps me relax and just enjoy the chip we just won without turning the page to next year expecting to be at that level. Regardless of the returning talent we have on defense, this is absolutely a rebuild. Totally different landscape in college with the 12 team CFP and super conferences, and we will have a mostly new coaching staff. We haven’t lost any starters to the portal yet, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens now. (Supposedly players were in Wink’s interview process though so that could help with buy-in). Viewing this as a rebuild also helps us more quickly see what we really have with Sherrone. If he had all of Harbaugh’s staff and players and had success for a couple years it might be a mirage. This will be Sherrone’s program from the start now, with some tough years for him to build the program, and we’ll see what he is as a head coach more quickly IMO.

the coaching staff is a complete rebuild, but the roster is more like a gentle reload. its kind of a unique situation tbh. the real rebuild is coming *next* year, and i expect an appropriate season befitting the 20th anniversary of the 2005 rebuild. (what naivete we were under back then. 7-5 was the end of the world 😂).

i will say i would probably feel differently if the OL were first or second year players, but weve seen a lot of those guys and they are all 4th years or better except for that massive mormon dude who was incidentally the highest rated prospect. i also made it a point to watch Jadyn Davis on tv, and if hes the best option after 2 camps of evaluation, thats fine. less than ideal, but 100% fine... befitting the 20th anniversary of Chad Henne actually.

I look at it as in comparison to this past season, do I have similar expectations, or do I expect a big dropoff? With that I take into account the schedule, because I'm thinking about how many losses should I be prepared to see.

The QB situation is a huge question mark at the moment, and whether it's an unproven Orji or a true freshman Jadyn Davis, it's an unknown. Combine that with new head coach, new coordinators, a defense that is loaded but has a completely new coaching staff, new strength coach when Herbert was so important to the culture, and maybe most importantly - completely new leadership among the players on the team based on who is gone. We also have to see what happens in the spring portal and if we have any significant losses from players currently waiting out the coaching staff situation.

Considering all that when I look at the schedule? I don't expect this team to make it to the expanded CFP. And that feels like a rebuild, and I'm okay with that given the situation. Before we get to The Game next year we have Texas, USC, Washington, and Oregon. I'd be happy if we win 2 out of those 4 games. I'd not be surprised if we only won 1 of those 4, and disappointed if we lost all 4. If we manage to win 2 of them that means we go into The Game with a chance to make the CFP if we pull off an upset win.

im not buying the notion that his best options for an NFL staff were all coaching in college last year, much less all with one team, but whatever. coaches are coaches.

the support staff tho? what pro is gonna be transformed by a college S&C coach when his private coach trains Olympians? what pro needs a team nutritionist?

seems needlessly harmful to the NFL aspirations of kids he recruited, and whose parents trusted him to nurture those aspirations.

>im not buying the notion that his best options for an NFL
>staff were all coaching in college last year, much less all
>with one team, but whatever. coaches are coaches.

im not sure if this type of thing is common practice as i haven't researched it at all...the only one i know of is urban who assembled a college staff when he took over jacksonville (strength staff included) and he got clowned for it. And the results were what they were.

urban didn't touch anyone on the osu staff tho.

minter has the NFL background so that seemed legit but I don't know about the rest.

>the support staff tho? what pro is gonna be transformed by a
>college S&C coach when his private coach trains Olympians?
>what pro needs a team nutritionist?

trainers who work with pro athletes in the private sector aren't necessarily better than those at the college level or even at the HS level.

it's just a totally different gig and different responsibilities as college strength coaches are with the team 365 days of the year.

When Harbaugh went to the 49ers he took Greg Roman (also on his Chargers staff now), Vic Fangio, and Tim Drevno. Not sure if he took others. Similar case with him essentially naming a successor at Stanford in David Shaw and now Moore.

I remembered Matt Rhule taking a bunch of his Baylor staff to the NFL with him. Did a quick Google search to see who, and he actually also took his S&C coach to the Panthers, so I guess there is some precedent. Still weird to me - in the NFL those guys all have their own trainers working with them in programming very specific to their individual needs, and aren’t all working on getting stronger/bigger/faster like the kids in college who are still developing their bodies and growing into what’s needed on the football field.

>im not sure if this type of thing is common practice as i
>haven't researched it at all...the only one i know of is urban
>who assembled a college staff when he took over jacksonville
>(strength staff included) and he got clowned for it. And the
>results were what they were. L
>
>urban didn't touch anyone on the osu staff tho.

these were the best jobs Elston and Clinkscale have ever had. people are saying Clink thought this was his best route to a coordinator job, and im not really sure what to make of that.

Not sure it will work out in the end, cuz year 1 he, and graham Harrell in particular, were very underwhelming in game coaches.

But credit to the young buck, quality HS and transfers for our level, like better than I can remember, even peak Tiller really.

Open question on development too

Walters found his guy in his own backyard, then Michigan found him, then he finished as a top 125 guy

just brutal 😕 lol

Just look at number of stars in total, even more impressive that we were close to a bunch more.

Need the transfers to hit immediately, and Harrell to show something

eff it, go with a famous alumnus at this point -- didn't help Oregon State but I'm not mad at the strategy

I didn't even realize he had been coaching but good for him

but it seems to be related to good ol fashioned playing time, as Keon Sabb is looking to start one year and be off to the league

he played a lot as the first safety off the bench, but with Moore and Paige coming back he wasnt going to get the snaps he reportedly wants

i was hoping they could figure out a way to make him work at nickel, but they may not see it for him

im kinda into Colorado State's coach tbh

also there is a LOT of Beilein smoke

pay-for-play NIL is now openly on the table, your favorite college team says thank you

https://x.com/sports8/status/1764150617197695036?s=20

the day when thats the largest factor in success or failure has arrived rather suddenly

Everything is out in the open now, which is overall is good thing.

none of this is good

>https://x.com/sports8/status/1764150617197695036?s=20

got 6 figures from an Iowa collective, made one post promoting a car dealership, and will be gone before ever even practicing with the team

Im reminded of a story Jim Cornette tells about a conversation he had with legendary Memphis promoter Christine Jarrett when he broke into the wrestling business. She pointed out to the crowd at the Mid-South Coliseum and told him "These (wrestling) fans are the most loyal fans in the world, and they will always be there for us for unless we run them off ourselves."

Tennessee disavowing the idea of "NIL but under old rules" that the NCAA set up is the first step

his moves will likely influence others to do that same.

shit's a mess.

there were also a good number of folks that stayed after Saban quit. either way, next year will be interesting with the usual big games, plus uga coming to tuscaloosa.

if he gets Milroe to be more accurate and to stop holding the ball forever, we might have something.

into 10-12 team regional conferences

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it's boring.

they'll roll the ball out in september and I'll continue to watch until I'm no longer entertained or just dont care. hopefully that day is a long ways off.

as now apparently ppl think the best way forward is to go back to what we had before they started fucking around with it in the first place

who could have guesaed???

how much longer does he last in colorado and where's his next stop?

the stories emerging are not good and his lack of interest in recruiting is a talent death wish

can see him leaving when his sons are done

his daughter left because she could see the start of his ending.. lol

>how much longer does he last in colorado and where's his next
>stop?


its clear he's WAY over his head when it comes to actual program building / coaching / developing players


now that the razzle dazzle is over and its time to get down to the nitty gritty, there's nothing of substance there. at all.


edit, and Shadeur isnt good enough for the league, let alone top 5

for DUI/racing/reckless since the fatal racing crash between Georgia players and staff members that killed two people

Kirby hasn't kicked any player off the team, although one was suspended for the pivotal UT Martin Skyhawks game last season -- he says that these are "teaching moments" and he will continue to "discipline internally"

maybe Kirby will do something when someone is killed -- oh wait, that already happened, and his players are actually racing MORE since then

i feel like i remember that being a problem during the St. Mark years

not sure how much espn is covering this story as i really never turn it on outside of ball season, but it seems like this stuff never gets the attention it warrants. cause this is really, really bad.

where they can dump all their pathetic "discipline"

but he will never take out these arrests on the players.

one of these most recent cases involves a starter, and Kirby ain't going to do anything that will jeopardize winning. he can let players and staff members with repeated violations get themselves killed as long as he wins. it literally already happened. and he got a raise afterwards.

Hope I don’t regret it

12 team playoff , never thought I’d see this day

Btw NCAA football making its return to all consoles , got me feeling Deja vü

College daze

>QB Dylan Raiola (5*) flipped from Georgia to Nebraska last
>minute (I'm old enough to remember seeing his dad play
>there).
>
>USC QB Malachi Nelson to the portal; this one was a bit
>surprising but I guess not so much when you consider Riley was
>portal shopping for a QB. Nelson was a 5* big fish that
>flipped from OU to follow Riley when he went to USC. can't
>really argue with Riley's quarterback development acumen so I
>wonder why Nelson didn't do enough in two years to get his
>coach's endorsement.

Not sure if their new approach will be sustainable over the long haul but I guess we shall see.

Lincoln Riley's program-building strategy looks about as inexplicable as Deion's. Riley seems to have made recruiting the state of Georgia(?) a priority and has predictably gotten burned. And USC's name is nowhere to be found next to California's top players. I have no idea what the plan was here (win a NC with Caleb and then dip to the NFL?), but this is trending in the wrong direction and I don't think USC has the money, desire, or alternative coaching options to buy out his contract. And I don't know how badly the NFL wants him.

On the topic of drunk driving, I guess this is why Mike Gundy is never in the convo for big time gigs. Great coach, total bozo. https://x.com/barstoolsports/status/1810797955441406438

Dave Aranda on Baylor's recent recruiting success: "We're paying players"

MF's out here taking the EA sports ratings a bit too seriously, lol. It's a video game.

On another note, cfb is going to be a very necessary safe space this fall.

>On another note, cfb is going to be a very necessary safe
>space this fall.
>
>

either way cfb will provide a good distraction

if you are in the SEC or Big 11, you are on a different tier than everybody else

then it comes down to skill and war chests, which Lanning has both of

>then it comes down to skill and war chests, which Lanning has
>both of

and all the traditional powerhouses level up eventually.

remember when oregon was landing recruits because they had waterfalls in the football facility and cool uniforms? then everyone else got the waterfalls and cool uniforms.

>and all the traditional powerhouses level up eventually.

are they in danger of falling behind any traditional powers? I'd put Lanning's star-gathering ability ahead of anybody in the SEC/Big aside from Kirby and Day

DeBoer is doing much better than I my hate suggested, but we'll still see what happens after a cycle on the field -- the program can recruit itself based off Saban's glories, but what happens after some losses?

>remember when oregon was landing recruits because they had
>waterfalls in the football facility and cool uniforms? then
>everyone else got the waterfalls and cool uniforms.

it created their brand though, which is what you have to do without traditional powerhouse trapping to fall out on -- the fact it's even remembered means it worked

which includes getting 2 5-star legacy recruits out of ohio.

if NIL was the main factor then osu (or whatever traditional powerhouse) will eventually just find more money to make sure that doesn't happen again

>DeBoer is doing much better than I my hate suggested, but
>we'll still see what happens after a cycle on the field -- the
>program can recruit itself based off Saban's glories, but what
>happens after some losses?

yes he's riding Saban's success + bama tradition/NIL + location

location is a big issue for oregon in that it's hard to get to* and there's no local talent pool. deboer isn't facing the same hurdles.

*slightly less of an issue now that some players will be able to fly family members out to see them play


>it created their brand though, which is what you have to do
>without traditional powerhouse trapping to fall out on -- the
>fact it's even remembered means it worked

yet none of it led to recruiting dominance or championships.

oregon is gonna have to continue upping the ante with NIL..

you saw the CA rankings, they're cleaning up.
they have no recruiting competition until Fisch gets going or USC gets smart, but i dont think that second bit is happening anytime soon.,

altho i will say, there's no way wll those highly touted skill guys are all there in 2 years, and they dont exactly seem to have stocked the cupboard at OL.

i think thats going to be the biggest adjustment for the new B10 teams.
UM/OSU/PSU/IOWA/WISC is an unending parade of NFL DL, and its a long season.

>you saw the CA rankings, they're cleaning up.

bama is recruiting just as well in CA, if not better. ND has always had a presence in CA and osu has recruited the state well over the last few years.

if oregon was able to put a fence around CA then yes they could get by on that. but i dont see any evidence to suggest that this will happen.

CA is really just an open state for national teams to pillage.

they can just enjoy the fruits of being a border state, and the only real contender within 1000 miles

>if NIL was the main factor then osu (or whatever traditional
>powerhouse) will eventually just find more money to make sure
>that doesn't happen again

I don't think NIL is *the* difference-maker at any school that is using NIL correctly. does Oregon have to offer more than Ohio State to get the same kid? maybe. but just offering $100k more to everybody won't guarantee them a super class. kids still want to play for certain coaches and programs, so that's where Lanning comes in. he is young enough to connect with the recruits, he knows hostile recruiting grounds from the SEC and his NIL money clip is as thick as anybody's if he needs to get in a bidding war.

>location is a big issue for oregon in that it's hard to get
>to* and there's no local talent pool.

for sure. but like cgonz said, the dismantling of the Pac-12 means they just have to beat USC and their local talent pool extends to all of California. elite kids want to be in the Big or SEC and that gap will only get bigger.

>yet none of it led to recruiting dominance or championships.

national championships and top three classes -- that is kind of of high bar! I'll bet Oregon has won more Pac-12 titles in the last 15 years than they did in 100 years before that, so for sure there have been tangible benefits. plus they have recruited on a top ten national level at times, which was a huge upgrade for them.

>oregon is gonna have to continue upping the ante with NIL..

up to this point NIL has rewarded teams that had more foresight (Tennessee paying $8 million for Nico is a damn bargain looking back), but with more open regulation coming I think NIL will be a simple have and have nots scenario. Oregon is in a power two conference and have always been well funded; I think Lanning is their key driver right now. it is still about relationships when the money is similar.

on the winning team 'dropping the bag' is mind numbing. Especially since it's usually coming from a fanbase of a powerhouse school that also quite clearly participates in NIL.

The new faux moral high ground of 'they're trying to buy a championship!' is pretty funny given that everyone has been trying to buy championships for as long as ive followed the sport. The only difference now is that the players are getting their piece.


>I don't think NIL is *the* difference-maker at any school that
>is using NIL correctly.

What defines correct usage?

Results for teams like texas a&m and miami have been underwhelming. But it's tough for you or I to sit here and say exactly why. At least without hindsight.


> but just offering $100k
>more to everybody won't guarantee them a super class.

I never stated that it did. But I'm also not in a position to say that it never works like that. It would be naive to think that some decisions aren't being made strictly due to financials. It's no different than a working class adult choosing the highest salaried job offer. Can't blame a kid and his family for taking the same approach.

FWIW, you also have Kirby making statements about Oregon's NIL approach and Neuheisel pumping up Phil Knight's role in all of this. Maybe they're both full of shit or maybe Oregon really is taking this to a different level.

> kids
>still want to play for certain coaches and programs, so that's
>where Lanning comes in. he is young enough to connect with the
>recruits, he knows hostile recruiting grounds from the SEC and
>his NIL money clip is as thick as anybody's if he needs to get
>in a bidding war.

This is starting to sound like a Lanning infomercial.

There's a lot of Lanning coronation out there which seems kinda weird and premature to me. But staying on track with recruiting, his first two classes were not on the level of this current class*. Oregon in their entire history has never recruited at this level. I don't think it's unreasonable to want to see if sustained over a 3 to 5 year period first before believing that they have a permanent seat at the adult table.

*mind you, when I first made my post Oregon was predicted to land DJ Pickett which would've been an enormous victory.

>for sure. but like cgonz said, the dismantling of the Pac-12
>means they just have to beat USC and their local talent pool
>extends to all of California.

Recruiting at their current level and putting out a roster that can a NC means beating bama/uga/texas/osu. Beating USC is whatever and they've been doing it for a few years now.

I do think that getting off the Pac-12 tv deal/schedule will help Oregon quite a bit. When recruiting nationally, it's gotta be a huge disadvantage when family members can't even watch some of the games on tv.


>national championships and top three classes -- that is kind
>of of high bar!

But that's the entire context of this conversation.

Also, keep in mind what Chiop had to do to land national recruits at Oregon. It got him a show cause. Now, I know what you're going to say - Lanning is a far more aggressive recruiter than Chip ever was! And that's certainly true. But the point is, Oregon has always had to do more (legally and illegally) to get players to Eugene.

>Results for teams like texas a&m and miami have been
>underwhelming. But it's tough for you or I to sit here and say
>exactly why. At least without hindsight.

I mean, both those programs have some obvious issues outside of recruiting -- NIL is not a contract for guaranteed success. I'd say Florida is a better example of NIL done wrong. the whole Jaden Rashada fiasco and dissolution of their original collective shows they were trying to play the game but not using NIL correctly.

elite recruiting is still a separate skill from NIL. some coaches may have been able to coast off NIL when it was the wild frontier, but we are normalizing now and the recruiters who only know how to wave money are getting pushed down the pecking order.

>I never stated that it did. But I'm also not in a position to
>say that it never works like that. It would be naive to think
>that some decisions aren't being made strictly due to
>financials. It's no different than a working class adult
>choosing the highest salaried job offer. Can't blame a kid and
>his family for taking the same approach.

I doubt anyone would ever argue different. but just like a job offer, there's a lot that goes into a decision aside from money. and why recruiting is still about recruiting, as long as a financial baseline is hit.

>FWIW, you also have Kirby making statements about Oregon's NIL
>approach and Neuheisel pumping up Phil Knight's role in all of
>this. Maybe they're both full of shit or maybe Oregon really
>is taking this to a different level.

that's rich. Kirby is the home state school of one of the most fertile recruiting areas in the country and he's crying about resources. wonder who his players got all those speeding tickets in Lamborghinis.

all head coaches are full of shit and sour losers.

>There's a lot of Lanning coronation out there which seems
>kinda weird and premature to me. But staying on track with
>recruiting, his first two classes were not on the level of
>this current class*. Oregon in their entire history has never
>recruited at this level. I don't think it's unreasonable to
>want to see if sustained over a 3 to 5 year period first
>before believing that they have a permanent seat at the adult
>table.

didn't he have a top 3 class last year? I'm going by his Georgia days as well, where he personally recruited a lot of guys that won two national titles.

hierarchies are changing rapidly. Oregon's current momentum is because they have stacks of money, they have a great recruiter as HC and they are moving into one of the two premier conferences in the sport. perfect storm.

you wanting to see "proof over a half-decade" kind has nothing to do with the here and now. maybe Lanning bolts in a couple seasons. maybe they get his replacement wrong. maybe the conference realign again. Oregon is not going to have the stature of Alabama, not in 5 years or 10 years, if that's what you're asking. agreed :)

>Recruiting at their current level and putting out a roster
>that can a NC means beating bama/uga/texas/osu. Beating USC is
>whatever and they've been doing it for a few years now.

more qualifiers! you said their state sucks, and I said that matters less since they can own the entire west coast. half their rivals got put into the poor house and their main thorn has a stick up their own asses. their in-state lack of talent pool or geography is not an issue currently.

>But that's the entire context of this conversation.

seems like you are asking if Oregon is now one of the bluebloods of college football history...uh, of course not?

I'm saying that having a top five national class and winning five-stars out of previous off-limit areas is certainly sustainable, based on their current alignment.

>Also, keep in mind what Chiop had to do to land national
>recruits at Oregon. It got him a show cause. Now, I know what
>you're going to say - Lanning is a far more aggressive
>recruiter than Chip ever was! And that's certainly true. But
>the point is, Oregon has always had to do more (legally and
>illegally) to get players to Eugene.

man, we all know that's comparing apples to hand grenades. college football has change so much in 20 months that 2012 might as well be 50 years ago.

>
>didn't he have a top 3 class last year?

#3 on 247, #6 on rivals.



>
>you wanting to see "proof over a half-decade" kind has nothing
>to do with the here and now. maybe Lanning bolts in a couple
>seasons.

obviously I'm not going to hold Lanning accountable for whatever happens if he leaves.

>I'm saying that having a top five national class and winning
>five-stars out of previous off-limit areas is certainly
>sustainable, based on their current alignment.

I think they can do top 5 consistently. Top 1-2 is different.

>
>>Also, keep in mind what Chiop had to do to land national
>>recruits at Oregon. It got him a show cause. Now, I know
>what
>>you're going to say - Lanning is a far more aggressive
>>recruiter than Chip ever was! And that's certainly true. But
>>the point is, Oregon has always had to do more (legally and
>>illegally) to get players to Eugene.
>
>man, we all know that's comparing apples to hand grenades.
>college football has change so much in 20 months that 2012
>might as well be 50 years ago.

But you said that recruiting still comes down to the basics of relationship building. Can't have it both ways.

My point was, even when Chip had the program humming and their legal recruiting advantages were at their peak, he still needed to get way extra with it in order to bring kids to eugene.

The bigger issue point, which im sure you'd agree with, is that Lanning at bama would be far scarier than Lanning at oregon. There are some inherent disadvantages that he's going to have to overcome.

we've been getting our asses kicked for 5-star OL since the tressel days.

Anyways, caught this quote from a Tenn recruiting analyst FWIW:


"Here's the other thing too—we talk about NIL a lot, right? NIL, NIL, NIL. At some point, when the money's pretty even, it comes down to where you're most comfortable," Hubbs said. "So you got to go recruit them. I think Oregon is learning this, right? Oregon
just kind of had the thought process of, "We'll just go buy us a class," and they've lost three or four commits in the last two weeks because they don't really want to
work and live in Eugene." An attack on the location out of the way, Hubbs decided to go after the coaching
staff. "And I don't think the coaches have the relationships with those players that other schools have," Hubbs said. "I think they've just said, "Well, we'll NIL it." You can't just NIL it because everybody's got NIL funds now, okay? I mean, at the Power Five level, everybody's got a plan for NIL. So at some point, it comes back to old-school recruiting and your relationships, and you've got to work it"

letting us sneak into the Carolinas and get elite talent again

they're just... old and bland, on the field and off.

its been long enough since they were good, that theres no swag left among the players. the schemes are just basic spread plays from NCAA14. and now the recruiting classes are in the zone where if you arent developing 3.5* star players (they arent) you're in 9-4 purgatory.

i thought they were done as a player last year, and im pretty confident sticking by that.

to DJU/Klubnik is a recipe for a steep downfall. eventually you're gonna whiff on these 5 star qbs as osu learned.

and it would've been worse had they been in a better conference. they pulled out a few games they had no business winning,

>Not sure if their new approach will be sustainable over the
>long haul but I guess we shall see.
>
>Lincoln Riley's program-building strategy looks about as
>inexplicable as Deion's. Riley seems to have made recruiting
>the state of Georgia(?) a priority and has predictably gotten
>burned. And USC's name is nowhere to be found next to
>California's top players. I have no idea what the plan was
>here (win a NC with Caleb and then dip to the NFL?), but this
>is trending in the wrong direction and I don't think USC has
>the money, desire, or alternative coaching options to buy out
>his contract. And I don't know how badly the NFL wants him.
>
>On the topic of drunk driving, I guess this is why Mike Gundy
>is never in the convo for big time gigs. Great coach, total
>bozo.
>https://x.com/barstoolsports/status/1810797955441406438
>
>Dave Aranda on Baylor's recent recruiting success: "We're
>paying players"
>
>MF's out here taking the EA sports ratings a bit too
>seriously, lol. It's a video game.
>
>On another note, cfb is going to be a very necessary safe
>space this fall.
>
>

and the absolute last thing i need in my life is another 3 hours of screen time everyday lol.

looks like fun tho

this game is incredibly fun to play.

...once i got to high school/college/masters/phd/real life ) I just didnt have time or interest (other than playing drunk madden in the dorms)

when quarantine began i picked up a ps4 out of sheer boredom and it might have saved me from going insane during lockdown, or saved my liver /lungs

im a decade and a half behind in terms of cataching up, so my game backlog is crazy and everything feels brand new to me.

i was getting busy in the run game and defense (user pick game is still cold) but every time i dropped back to pass i felt like the mr krabs meme. i havent played an EA football game since PS2.

im having to relearn how to navigate the pocket and keep my eyes downfield at the same time and it feels like rocket science rn

>


But I’m so excited .

Benching Will Howard for Air Noland IMMEDIATELY

But, I thought the game was going to be available for PC and didn't buy a current-gen console last year.

Then, I learn a few months ago that the game is only available on PS5 and XBOX 1. I was upset and more than a little disappointed.

Maybe, they'll open up the availability next year if this year's game is a success.

Way more fun for me than playing Madden or NBA2k.

I have put more hours into this than any game since like madden 98


I am also...an immoral football coach

I put players back out when they're injured.

I will "encourage transfers" for guys after I recruited 5 people at their position

I am moving my athletic black quarterback to running back because I have a "more traditional" five star field general recruit coming in

if they included crimes in the game, there would be no crime that would stop me from offering a five star recruit because imo, five stars don't commit crimes.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

players racking up bodies and YAC


>I have put more hours into this than any game since like
>madden 98
>
>
>I am also...an immoral football coach
>
>I put players back out when they're injured.
>
>I will "encourage transfers" for guys after I recruited 5
>people at their position
>
>I am moving my athletic black quarterback to running back
>because I have a "more traditional" five star field general
>recruit coming in
>
>if they included crimes in the game, there would be no crime
>that would stop me from offering a five star recruit because
>imo, five stars don't commit crimes.
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

it's not that they're lying

they just innately believe that good players can't commit crimes

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

until the 2024 Pop Tarts Bowl

>QB Dylan Raiola (5*) flipped from Georgia to Nebraska last
>minute (I'm old enough to remember seeing his dad play
>there).
>
>USC QB Malachi Nelson to the portal; this one was a bit
>surprising but I guess not so much when you consider Riley was
>portal shopping for a QB. Nelson was a 5* big fish that
>flipped from OU to follow Riley when he went to USC. can't
>really argue with Riley's quarterback development acumen so I
>wonder why Nelson didn't do enough in two years to get his
>coach's endorsement.


and in hindsight, Pete Carroll was trying to do too much in that game as well, maybe it was foreshadowing for that bonehead play he ran in seattle


cant believe it was nearly two decades ago


so many players from that game that I thought would be guaranteed stars at the next leve but never really hit that level..

and every violation is related to the procedure of the investigation, rather than the substance of the matter

even Connor Stallions has been alleged to have violated the spirit of college sports, without any specifc rules violations, and not even for the advance scouting, but for whatever he was doing on CMUs behalf.

idk about yall but im gonna go ahead and move on with my life.

>and every violation is related to the procedure of the
>investigation, rather than the substance of the matter
>
>even Connor Stallions has been alleged to have violated the
>spirit of college sports, without any specifc rules
>violations, and not even for the advance scouting, but for
>whatever he was doing on CMUs behalf.

because what you wrote above would indicate that you didn't actually read the ESPN article.

regardless, we can now officially put the 'lone wolf' defense to bed, which was completely moronic from the start.

as well as the unwillingness to concede that it was in fact stalions on the CMU sidelines.

>idk about yall but im gonna go ahead and move on with my
>life.

and when you finally leave denial and return to earth, we will be here waiting for you with open arms.

>because what you wrote above would indicate that you didn't
>actually read the ESPN article.

yes, i did. and leaving aside the unrelated recruiting shit, every violation was for non-cooperation with the investigation...NOT what the investigation turned up, which was that none of the coaches knew (or could be proven to know) how he was obtaining his information.

>regardless, we can now officially put the 'lone wolf' defense
>to bed, which was completely moronic from the start.

why because he roped in a few other people at or below his pay grade and told them this wasnt against the rules? they cant connect any position coaches or above to any of it.

>as well as the unwillingness to concede that it was in fact
>stalions on the CMU sidelines.

that's Stalions and CMUs issue according to the article.

>and when you finally leave denial and return to earth, we will
>be here waiting for you with open arms.

theres nothing to deny, because nothing has been alleged beyond a half dozen level 2 recruiting violations, a level 2 procedural violation against the current HC, and a bunch of individual violations by people who either took off to the NFL, were fired, or quit before they could get fired.

what he did has nothing to do with the program, beyond the level 1 failure to promote compliance in general. if you think thats going to be worth more than a fine, a useless probation, and maybe some lost recruiting time...i think youre gonna be disappointed.

"The NCAA's draft obtained by ESPN states that investigators used ticket information, film, photographs and interviews to determined that Stalions had **impermissibly scouted** at least 13 future Michigan opponents on at least 58 occasions between 2021 and 2023. He directed others to scout some opponents multiple times -- including one team that they scouted seven different times in 2022, according to the draft."


>>as well as the unwillingness to concede that it was in fact
>>stalions on the CMU sidelines.
>
>that's Stalions and CMUs issue according to the article.

you said that it wasn't actually stalions on the CMU sidelines in your previous attempt to gaslight the board.

unless you think i absolutely KNEW for a fact who that was, that makes no sense

and, thinking that i DID absolutely know, also makes no sense, bc how tf would i know?

all i ever said was that it wasnt settled fact (it wasnt), and that CMU had uncomfortable questions to answer (they do)

its not possible for someone to gaslight anyone if they themselves dont know whats true or false (i didnt) and they dont pretend to (i didnt)

the rest of us were able to connect the dots

there is a lot of speculation as to what exactly he was doing on those sidelines and who he was doing it for (and if this was a one time thing), so I'll wait for those facts to come out.

however the idea that only CMU has any responsibility in what occurred and stalions' employer doesnt, is simply not accurate.

now its been made.

thats skepticism, not me trying to "trick" someone into accepting my story (which doesn't exist since i made no statements)

gaslighting would be me arguing its not him *today*, which im obviously not doing.

and we have entered a new era of American labor relations when an employee's personal time is his employer's responsibility.

lastly, ill leave you with these words from the author of the article you read very very closely in which he says no accomplishments will be vacated, no future postseason ban, but they will get a big fine (which, gee whiz those words sound really familiar)

https://x.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/1820507369526157559?t=THuc_ccSruThuC2vojsJsQ&s=19

>thats skepticism, not me trying to "trick" someone into
>accepting my story (which doesn't exist since i made no
>statements)
>
>gaslighting would be me arguing its not him *today*, which im
>obviously not doing.

you voluntarily summarized an article (without including a link or a swipe) and completely distorted its content in order to exonerate your team and pronounce yourself fully moved on from the issue. find another term if you don't like gaslighting. but there is some sort of mental block happening here.


>and we have entered a new era of American labor relations when
>an employee's personal time is his employer's responsibility.

sounds like you're agreeing with me unless you made a typo. either way the premise is irrelevant.

>lastly, ill leave you with these words from the author of the
>article you read very very closely in which he says no
>accomplishments will be vacated, no future postseason ban, but
>they will get a big fine (which, gee whiz those words sound
>really familiar)

LOL. so now pete thamel's words matter?

is this the same pete thamel that your maga-brained lunatic fan base harassed and sent deaths threats to because...their favorite football team cheated? the harassment got so bad that thamel couldn't report from outside the big house on gameday for fear of his safety. for which the official media spokesperson for the university/lunatic fanbase then openly mocked for being a coward live on the telecast. if you can find me a more egregious example of deplorable fan behavior I'd love to see it.

y'all were so out of your minds about this guy reporting *facts* about your football team that thamel parody accounts were made on social media: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa432uL3WyY

anyways, glad that pete thamel's words suddenly carry weight with you!

but anyways, he's a journalist with an opinion and he isn't sitting on the infractions committee. so far, there's a *draft* of an NOA (leaked intentionally by the ncaa or mich) that the public hasn't even seen. anyone issuing statements on punishments is making guesses and looking for clicks. so I'd ease up on taking any victory laps just yet.

furthermore, i said nothing about punishments in this thread as I really have no idea what they will be. there's far too many outside variables/influences involved on such decisions for me to make any predictions. what the punishment will be and what it should be are entirely different things.

at this point, the ncaa punishment doesn't even matter. the truth getting out there is punishment enough. this has been cartoonishly embarrassing and pathetic. the title will have a stench on it forever. punishment or not, mich has proven itself as an absolute trash program that couldn't build a program on the level.

we now know objectively that the program cheated, lied, attempted to cover it up and destroyed evidence.

rather than take accountability like any self respecting university would, they played victim.

the university/program/fanbase blamed everyone under the sun - pete thamel, ryan day's brother-in-law(!), other B1G teams, a "NCAA/NIL witchhunt" - rather than taking accountability and conceding the obvious. the program and university refused to cooperate with the investigation (as guilty people do), threatened litigation and cried about due process, only to tuck tail like the guilty cowards they are when they got their big day in court.

the head coach your fanbase strangely continues to worship is now widely regarded as a cheat, liar, and sociopath. and continues to further entangle the university every time he or his batshit lawyer opens their mouth.

I'd rather my team go 0-12 than be associated with any of this nonsense.

very 2009 of you

im happy to talk about things i said, but im not litigating everything everyone everywhere has ever said because i dont care what GoBlue648599 had to say about anything at all, but definitely not Pete Thamel.

i will say that if you think angry tweets at Pete Thamel is "the most egregious example of deplorable fan behavior" then you might have a little bit of tunnel vision going on considering you could watch videos of actual violence at sporting events until you die of old age without ever seeing the same one twice. but death threats arent cool, and if you need to pretend i think they are to make your point, its a shit point.

but your current wait and see approach is the same thing youre ranting at me for. you say you have said nothing about sanctions *in this thread*, but can you say that youve never said something about sanctions in ANY thread?

if not, dont you think its ironic that in the midst of connecting me to the words of others, youre half-ass dissociating yourself from your own?

>very 2009 of you
>
>im happy to talk about things i said, but im not litigating
>everything everyone everywhere has ever said because i dont
>care what GoBlue648599 had to say about anything at all, but
>definitely not Pete Thamel.

"is this the same pete thamel that your maga-brained lunatic fan base harassed"

is that worded at you personally or your fanbase?


>i will say that if you think angry tweets at Pete Thamel is
>"the most egregious example of deplorable fan behavior"

clearly not what I said but you're twisting and deflecting so it is what it is


>but death threats arent cool, and if you
>need to pretend i think they are to make your point, its a
>shit point.

no, it's a great point that pete thamel of all people is now a purveyor of truth because he gave you an opinion that made you happy.


>but your current wait and see approach is the same thing youre
>ranting at me for.

no, i ranted at you for wholesale distorting the contents of the article. rather than addressing that you're deflecting with nonsense that i really dont care about.


>you say you have said nothing about
>sanctions *in this thread*, but can you say that youve never
>said something about sanctions in ANY thread?

I'm sure ive said that i think they will receive sanctions. and i still feel that way. what's your point?

am i taking victory laps after posting opinions from journalists who are predicting significant penalties like you are? clearly im not. and clearly you have no point. you're desperate to deflect and make comparisons rather than discuss the crux of the issue which is that mich cheated.


>if not, dont you think its ironic that in the midst of
>connecting me to the words of others, youre half-ass
>dissociating yourself from your own?

you're welcome to research all of my posts for any predictions regarding punishment. I would probably stand by them.

and whether I'm right or wrong on how it plays out doesn't really matter. the facts are out there. and your program/university is a clown show full of scumbags who couldn't win w/o cheating and humiliating themselves. the program is headed back to mediocrity because of all this and please feel free to bookmark this opinion.

>I'd rather my team go 0-12 than be associated with any of this
>nonsense.

because you were real excited to be associated with the kind of nonsense that ended up nuking a whole year of OSU football

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=21&topic_id=77931&mesg_id=77931&listing_type=search#78622

"LETS DO THIS SON!"

😂

>
>>I'd rather my team go 0-12 than be associated with any of
>this
>>nonsense.
>
>because you were real excited to be associated with the kind
>of nonsense that ended up nuking a whole year of OSU football
>
>https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=21&topic_id=77931&mesg_id=77931&listing_type=search#78622
>
>"LETS DO THIS SON!"
>
>😂

was I supposed to stop watching football forever because of a tattoo for memorabilia scandal?

did i ever tell you that you needed to stop watching michigan football forever?

I said that I wouldn't want to win a title off this embarrassing nonsense and i sure as hell wouldn't be running around puffing my chest out about it.

this is just more pointless deflecting. and if you spent more than 30 seconds of your day digging through 700+ posts of 14 year old thread for this bozo gotcha! moment then you need to find a new hobby.

and pretty wild to bring up the tressel stuff. that's really not a can of worms you want to open up given the absolute meltdown and self-righteous and holier than thou bullshit from your fanbase (and you specifically) in regards to rule breaking and lying.

I'm not digging through that entire thread to quote you on it but I distinctly recall you going on about how memorabilia/tattoo exchanges provided an on-field advantage for osu. and that they should be sanctioned severely for it.

meanwhile, you've now taken the position that an unprecedented, complex and well funded cheating scandal (which im not even sure you've conceded to exist) had no carryover to on-field play and deserves nothing more than a slap on the wrist. and while tress deserved to be booted from cfb,, harb is some sort of righteous martyr for cheating, lying, overseeing a rogue program and not cooperating with the NCAA.

maybe you should remind us how NIL and extra playoff teams are ruining the purity of cfb? beyond hypocritical.

im gonna gp thru all this shit individually but for the tl;dr version, youre still full of shit because i didnt say ANY of this

>I said that I wouldn't want to win a title off this
>embarrassing nonsense and i sure as hell wouldn't be running
>around puffing my chest out about it.

no, you didnt. you said you would rather go 0-12 than be associated with that nonsense, but in reality you didnt care at all about associating with nonsense as long as Tress was back for Wisconsin at night.

>this is just more pointless deflecting. and if you spent more
>than 30 seconds of your day digging through 700+ posts of 14
>year old thread for this bozo gotcha! moment then you need to
>find a new hobby.

you blatantly lied. me proving you lied doesnt reflect badly on me, it reflects badly on the liar.

>and pretty wild to bring up the tressel stuff. that's really
>not a can of worms you want to open up given the absolute
>meltdown and self-righteous and holier than thou bullshit from
>your fanbase (and you specifically) in regards to rule
>breaking and lying.

me specifically? post it then or STFU about it

>I'm not digging through that entire thread to quote you on it
>but I distinctly recall you going on about how
>memorabilia/tattoo exchanges provided an on-field advantage
>for osu. and that they should be sanctioned severely for it.

post it or STFU about it

what i said was that impermissable benefits create recruiting advantages (true) and that recruiting advantages lead to on field advantages (true), and that those violations bring stiff penalties (true again)

>meanwhile, you've now taken the position that an
>unprecedented, complex and well funded cheating scandal (which
>im not even sure you've conceded to exist) had no carryover to
>on-field play and deserves nothing more than a slap on the
>wrist.

no I didn't. i took the position that Michigan had minimal differential advantages, if any at all. in fact, i posted pictures of the signals Purdue had on Michigan that were given to them by an outside source, specifically to point out

>and while tress deserved to be booted from cfb,,

i never said that, so if youre insinuating i did youre still lying.

>harb
>is some sort of righteous martyr for cheating, lying,
>overseeing a rogue program and not cooperating with the NCAA.

i never said that either. thats a strawman you built out of whole cloth. "righteous martyr" lmao.

>maybe you should remind us how NIL and extra playoff teams are
>ruining the purity of cfb? beyond hypocritical.

ive never said anything about "purity" of college football 😂😂😂

>im gonna gp thru all this shit individually but for the tl;dr
>version, youre still full of shit because i didnt say ANY of
>this
>
>>I said that I wouldn't want to win a title off this
>>embarrassing nonsense and i sure as hell wouldn't be running
>>around puffing my chest out about it.
>
>no, you didnt.

no, it's *exactly* what i said. it's right there in plain english. youre struggling with my words in the same way you mangled and incoherently interpreted a very straightforward epsn article about the NOA draft.

"this nonsense" is the mich cheating scandal and the specifics of that case. not anything else. if an osu coach got on the sidelines of a MAC school dressed up as inspector gadget and "undermined the integrity of cfb" then that would be a fair comparison. but that's not the case here, sorry.

hijacking my statements with your own thought process is just a continuation of your intellectual dishonesty and flailing attempt to deflect about what's happening in the here and now with mich.


>you blatantly lied. me proving you lied doesnt reflect badly
>on me, it reflects badly on the liar.

proving i lied because i was excited for the season to start? sorry, all of this is just really bewildering to me and i have no idea what you're trying to say or prove.

again, please feel free to look forward to watching mich and cfb this season.


>>and pretty wild to bring up the tressel stuff. that's really
>>not a can of worms you want to open up given the absolute
>>meltdown and self-righteous and holier than thou bullshit
>from
>>your fanbase (and you specifically) in regards to rule
>>breaking and lying.
>
>me specifically? post it then or STFU about it
>
>>I'm not digging through that entire thread to quote you on
>it
>>but I distinctly recall you going on about how
>>memorabilia/tattoo exchanges provided an on-field advantage
>>for osu. and that they should be sanctioned severely for it.
>
>
>post it or STFU about it

no, i'll continue to talk and your lying ass will just have to deal. i have shit to do and im not spending my day sifting through an 800 reply thread or researching the archives of a website with 1998 level functionality. not sure about everyone else, but this forum now won't even let me navigate past the first page of threads. I can't even look for all the dumb shit you posted when this first dropped ('lone wolf' lmao). whatever distorted memories of the past you have from these threads, please enjoy them.


>>harb
>>is some sort of righteous martyr for cheating, lying,
>>overseeing a rogue program and not cooperating with the
>NCAA.
>
>i never said that either. thats a strawman you built out of
>whole cloth. "righteous martyr" lmao.
>

right, you've never supported harb sticking it to the ncaa by not cooperating. because he did nothing wrong. it was just a hamburger. and this is all a witch-hunt. you never said any of this.

and you still refuse to address your outright lying as shown in post 253. which means there's absolutely no sense in continuing this. this is the same level of absurdity that a select group of psu fans showed in the wake of the joepa scandal. same cult worship brainwashing.

>maybe you should remind us how NIL and extra playoff teams are
>ruining the purity of cfb? beyond hypocritical.
>ive never said anything about "purity" of college football 😂😂😂

ruining college football? does that term work better for you?

did you not say that you might stop caring or watching cfb altogether because of these changes?

good day sir

so everything could be easily referenced

instead this shit is scattered all over the place

but you're deliberately avoiding new receipts in this thread so it's whatever

not related to the spying.

but uh...yeah.

*IF* a UW Natty is loading off these two investigations (i have no idea about the possibility of this i've just seen people already saying Mich's chip will be vacated), i'll take it only cuz it just drives Oregon fans batshit, LOL.

and since he wasnt there to respond to allegations, he was given summary judgement on all of them

his lawyer posted an email from the NCAA where they said he had 24 hours to go thru 6000 JH emails to screen for privileged information, or else JH would be judged to be in noncompliance, but this DEFINITELY wasnt some sort of personal vendetta!

> but this DEFINITELY wasnt some sort of personal
>vendetta!

taking accountability is a real thing

Michigan never got the 2013 bball championship Louisville vacated, so it wouldnt help you anyways

and tbh i don't care that much cuz we didn't win it on the field.

i would never rah rah that title IF it happened but it would be hella funny to the fanbase cuz like i said, Oregon would completely lose it and the joy THAT would give me would be endless.

theyre like Clemson or U(sic)GA fans from 15 years ago, claiming the status bestowed by things they've never won

in fact, at least UGA and Clemson won national titles in 80s so the Oregon fans have managed to be worse

if *I*, a veteran of away games at Clemson and U(sic)GA, find someone more annoying than THEM...sheesh

complex is unique.

not sure if you saw but there's like an actual campaign, from the fanbase all the way up to Dan Lanning, to get everyone to call Oregon "That team out West" now that they're in the Big 10.

they're like the JD Vance of CFB.

jesus christ

even as a UW fan, a school that's earned a shit ton more than Oregon, *IF* there's a "team out west" it should be the school that's done the MOST and that'd be USC.

>and every violation is related to the procedure of the
>investigation, rather than the substance of the matter
>
>even Connor Stallions has been alleged to have violated the
>spirit of college sports, without any specifc rules
>violations, and not even for the advance scouting, but for
>whatever he was doing on CMUs behalf.
>
>idk about yall but im gonna go ahead and move on with my
>life.

CMU is in trouble for Stalions, not Michigan

there was an investigation that found no connection to anyone up the ladder

Michigan is going to be fined, and nothing will be vacated, nor will there be any postseason ban

the NCAA still hasnt identified the rules they allege Connor Stalions broke

if he goes on Netflix and admits he pulled a Christina Applegate in "Dont Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead" so that Harbaugh would think he was good at his job, that will be 5 for 5

meanwhile, tell me more about the impending "hammer" you and your ilk have been fantasizing about 😂

i havent said shit until now, unlike your ilk who bitched and moaned about tattoos

enjoy your 4 loss season , including the ass whooping at the hands of oregon

lol i still remember that 39-7 curb stomping dennis dixon and co handed out in the big house


edit what a beautiful fake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RFtAG7gbQQ

for another i linked that post in my "full of shit" reply above, if you can find me crying in there feel free to post it

i pulled a receipt from there myself, so you are more than welcome to try to do the same

i was actually at that 2007 game...what a debacle. ive never seen Michigan OR Georgia Tech lay such a pathetic egg before or since.

i remember walking out of the stadium thinking that App St beat them twice bc the mentality was just...not there.

>i was actually at that 2007 game...what a debacle. ive never
>seen Michigan OR Georgia Tech lay such a pathetic egg before
>or since.
>
>i remember walking out of the stadium thinking that App St
>beat them twice bc the mentality was just...not there.
>
>


I still haven’t got over Mario Cristobal and company running wild on us a couple years ago

I admire Dan lannins coaching style / his chutzpah but beatin them in Autzen would be lovely

>CMU is in trouble for Stalions, not Michigan
>
>there was an investigation that found no connection to anyone
>up the ladder
>
>Michigan is going to be fined, and nothing will be vacated,
>nor will there be any postseason ban
>
>the NCAA still hasnt identified the rules they allege Connor
>Stalions broke

and that's why it's hard to have a discussion with you and why the maga comparisons are dead accurate. and you will never be able to convince a maga fan that they are wrong and that trump is a bad guy. it's a pointless endeavor. as is this.


>
>if he goes on Netflix and admits he pulled a Christina
>Applegate in "Dont Tell Mom the Babysitter's Dead" so that
>Harbaugh would think he was good at his job, that will be 5
>for 5

nothing like a connor stalions and dave portnoy Netflix special to further boost the image of the mich fanbase. i doubt anyone outside of your fanbase will be watching it. i sure as hell won't.

but then I saw they had one of the easiest schedules in SEC history

vs. Murray State
vs. Buffalo
vs. Boston College
vs. Vanderbilt
@ Texas A&M
@ UMass
vs. Auburn
@ Alabama
vs. Oklahoma
@ South Carolina
@ Mississippi State
vs. Arkansas

We'll probably blow the games to A&M and UA and maybe Miss State.

you can't make this stuff up

I remember all the pearl clutching when tress came back to the shoe to join the 2002 NC team

>you can't make this stuff up
>
>I remember all the pearl clutching when tress came back to the
>shoe to join the 2002 NC team


i was about to say, there is no way michigan AND harbaugh could be this tone deaf together

just added another top recruit at running back. guess we'll see how much of this sticks, but it's going better than I expected.

incredible that this lunatic was in the ear of the OC/DC during games


https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5716976/2024/08/23/connor-stalions-michigan-sign-stealing-scandal/


Emails reveal nixed hiring of Connor Stalions, ex-Michigan staffer accused of sign-stealing

Austin Meek
Aug 23, 2024

William McMichael, the coach at Detroit’s Mumford High School, insisted he wasn’t looking for publicity when he offered a position to Connor Stalions, the staffer at the center of Michigan’s sign-stealing scandal and the central character in an upcoming Netflix documentary.

Publicity found him anyway. Mumford, a program that has gone 2-16 the past two seasons, made national headlines last week after news broke that Stalions would be on the coaching staff. McMichael’s phone rang all morning, and reporters showed up at practice to catch a glimpse of the coach he described as “the most hated man in college football.”

“I’ve been getting bombarded,” McMichael said with a chuckle.

But McMichael wasn’t the first coach to take an interest in Stalions. Before Stalions accepted a volunteer position with Mumford, he was under consideration for the defensive coordinator job at Berkley High School, a program outside of Detroit that finished 0-9 last season and was outscored 382-46. The ensuing controversy, detailed in email correspondence obtained by The Athletic via a public records request, offered a window into the half-life of the Michigan sign-stealing scandal, which continues to have far-reaching consequences.

Since October, the NCAA has been investigating allegations that Stalions coordinated a scheme to collect video footage of opposing teams’ signals shot from the stands and appeared incognito on the sideline for a game between Central Michigan and Michigan State. The NCAA shared a draft of potential infractions with Michigan earlier this month and could deliver a formal notice of allegations any day.

Michigan fired linebackers coach Chris Partridge in November for allegedly interfering with the investigation, and head coach Sherrone Moore faces allegations that he deleted a string of text messages with Stalions. Meanwhile, Netflix on Tuesday is set to release a documentary called “Sign Stealer,” described in promotional materials as a film “told directly by viral villain Connor Stalions, who forever changed college football.”

Stalions hasn’t spoken publicly about the scandal aside from a brief statement issued through his lawyer when he resigned in November. He did, however, address the situation in emails to Berkley School District administrators as he pleaded his case to become Berkley’s defensive coordinator. In the emails, Stalions appeared to reference the documentary as part of an effort to clear his name.

“Legally, I cannot get into the details, but I have great news!” Stalions wrote to Berkley administrators on March 8. “While I understand what has come with my name over the last five months, very soon the media, the NCAA and all the misinformation about the entire NCAA ‘investigation’ is going to be exposed. I’m excited that Berkley Schools will have the opportunity to be nationally portrayed in a positive light in this story.”

The appeal didn’t work. Stalions didn’t get the job. His attempt to join the staff at Berkley High School, like seemingly every other aspect of this story, left a trail of controversy in its wake.

On Feb. 15, Casey Humes, the first-year football coach at Berkley, emailed an executive assistant with the Berkley School District human resources department to request that a new football coach be added to Edustaff, a third-party staffing agency that Berkley uses for substitute teachers, coaches and other contract employees.

The administrative assistant forwarded Humes’ email to Taylor Horn, Berkley’s athletic director, for approval. “Yes, he is good to go,” Horn replied roughly 15 minutes later. The same day, Horn emailed Humes to inquire about the new hire.

“Have I met (Connor)?” Horn asked. “What position is he taking?”

Humes assured Horn that he wasn’t trying to keep Stalions’ hiring a secret.

“I was in the middle of drafting the email for you now,” Humes replied. “I was going to have (Stalions) meet me at the high school to meet with you tonight.”

This exchange touched off a conflagration involving the district superintendent, human resources, the school principal and Horn, who resigned as Berkley’s athletic director at the end of the school year. Horn, reached by email, declined to say if his resignation was related to the Stalions situation.

Carla Osborne, who has a son on the Berkley team, said Humes told team parents in February that he was planning to bring Stalions on board as defensive coordinator.

“Coach had reached out and said, ‘Do you know who Connor Stalions is?’” Osborne said. “I’m like, ‘No, I don’t.’ He’s like, ‘Don’t Google him. Just let me tell you.’ Of course I had to Google him.”

Despite the headlines about Stalions and the Michigan sign-stealing scandal, Osborne said most of the team parents supported hiring him. Parents were excited by the prospect of hiring a military veteran who’d worked on the coaching staff at Michigan, Osborne said.

“We hadn’t won a game all last season,” Osborne said. “We have a whole new coaching staff. Why don’t we give our kids this great opportunity to have somebody who has been on the sidelines at a Big Ten school?”

District higher-ups ultimately overruled the coach’s attempt to hire Stalions, concerned about the negative attention that could be generated by the NCAA investigation. In a series of increasingly strident emails, Stalions refused to relinquish his position while district officials claimed he’d never been hired in the first place.

The emails do not show who ultimately nixed Stalions’ hiring. But by March 5, the decision had been made. Horn informed Stalions and Humes and recounted their reactions in an email to superintendent Scott Francis the following day.

“I told them that we had concerns with his background, and that we as a district do not feel like it is the right time for him to be on the staff,” Horn wrote.

There was one problem: Stalions believed he’d already been hired. And he wasn’t going to give up the job without a fight.

Horn cautioned the superintendent that Stalions and Humes were upset. Stalions already was working with the team, and players were under the impression that he would be part of the staff. After learning that Stalions’ hiring hadn’t been approved, Horn wrote, Humes spoke with players’ parents to share the news.

Christopher Sandoval, the district’s deputy superintendent of schools and human resources, expressed concern about Humes’ message to parents.

“I sense that the Coach may have overshared and told parents that he wanted to hire Connor and that we said no,” Sandoval wrote.

Humes did not respond to email requests for comment. In an email to The Athletic, Jessica Stilger, director of communications for Berkley Schools, said assistant coaches are hired on the recommendation of the head coach, who submits his recommendations to the athletic director. The names are then referred to the human resources office for review, Stilger said, and sent to Edustaff for processing.

“Our decision not to continue the Edustaff contract for Mr. Stalions was based on him not being a good fit for the program,” Stilger said.

Upon learning he wouldn’t be hired, Stalions contacted the district superintendent for clarification. Sandoval emailed other administrators to say he would respond to Stalions with a “very generic” message that his skills and qualifications weren’t a good match for the position.

“Thank you for reaching out to Superintendent Francis yesterday,” Sandoval wrote to Stalions later that day. “After several conversations with Mr. Horn regarding this matter, it appears that there has been some misinformation given to you regarding the football coaching position. My sincere apologies. I can certainly understand why Mr. Horn’s call to you yesterday was both confusing and upsetting.

“In general, candidates are selected for positions after consideration of their qualifications and experiences to the specific needs of our schools/programs. Thank you for your interest in Berkley Schools and best wishes to you.”

Stalions did not go quietly. About 30 minutes later, he responded to Sandoval and said he’d been working with players for several weeks and that Horn, Humes and principal Andrew Meloche had all confirmed his hiring. He included a screenshot from Edustaff that showed he had been approved for the position.

“With that being said,” Stalions wrote, “am I being fired? If I am being fired, I will need justification for termination in writing.”

Sandoval forwarded Stalions’ email to the superintendent and Meloche, the Berkley principal.

“I’ve never even talked to this guy,” Meloche responded.

The news that Stalions had been working with players for several weeks prompted consternation among the administrators. The blame appeared to fall on Horn, the athletic director.

“(Stalions’) background check was completed last week so if it’s true that he has been interacting with our kids for three weeks, it will be another ding on Taylor,” Sandoval wrote to Meloche.

Two days passed. Stalions emailed Sandoval and cheerfully informed him that, since he had not received a formal termination notice, he planned to continue working with the team.

“I’m really looking forward to continuing to install the defense with the players,” Stalions wrote. “Thank you again, for giving me the opportunity to coach here at Berkley High School. I look forward to being part of the program’s turnaround. Go Bears!”

In the following days, Stalions softened his stance. He emailed Sandoval to say it had become clear, through conversations with “many individuals in the community” that “the Berkley Administration does not wish for me to serve in a paid position.” Instead, Stalions offered to stay on as a volunteer.

Sandoval thanked Stalions for the offer and attached a volunteer release form but advised he would only be allowed to volunteer once the NCAA investigation was complete and Stalions had been cleared of wrongdoing.

Stalions argued he’d already passed a background check and filled out the necessary paperwork to be hired in a paid position. The offer to volunteer, he said, was made with the assumption that he’d already been approved.

“If that process is not as smooth as I assumed, then I am remaining as an employee,” he wrote. “Until I hear back from you, I will remain as the Defensive Coordinator.”

Sandoval fired back an email that afternoon.

“You are not, nor have you ever been, an employee of Berkley School District,” he wrote.

Stalions emailed Sandoval again to ask why his Edustaff profile listed his employment status as “active.” Two days later, he sent another email requesting an in-person meeting. Humes and Horn met with him in person, Stalions wrote, and did more due diligence “than the local and national media did (and definitely more than the NCAA, if what you’re claiming is true and they are actually investigating).” Sandoval did not respond.

Four days later, Sandoval and his executive assistant received a missive of roughly 1,500 words from Stalions. Stalions claimed that district officials were portraying him as “media hungry” and suggested that the superintendent was “too scared” to meet with him in person. He also claimed to have control over media coverage of the situation.

“The local and national media wants access to me since I’ve never done anything with the media,” he wrote. “The meaningful media members aren’t going to write a story if I ask them not to.”

Reached by phone this week, Stalions declined to comment.

Stalions closed the email by appealing to the plight of the Berkley players in limbo without a defensive coordinator. “This needs to be resolved one way or the other ASAP,” he wrote. “For the kids.”

Sandoval forwarded the email to several people but did not respond. A Freedom of Information Act request produced no other correspondence between Stalions and district officials.

The NCAA shared a draft of potential infractions regarding the alleged sign-stealing with Michigan earlier this month. (Jaime Crawford / Getty Images)
Roughly 80 percent of the team parents signed a petition in favor of Stalions’ hiring, Osborne said, and the petition was presented at a meeting with district officials. It was clear that the officials weren’t going to change their minds, Osborne said, and the parents relented for fear that their efforts might cause problems for Humes.

“We felt if we kept pushing, we were going to jeopardize our coach,” Osborne said.

Not long after Stalion’s hiring at Berkley fell through, an acquaintance put him in touch with McMichael, the father of former Michigan recruit Jeremiah Beasley and the new coach at Mumford. Stalions agreed to join the staff as a volunteer defensive coordinator in May or early June, McMichael said.

Stalions is set to coach his first game Aug. 29, two days after the Netflix documentary premieres. Despite the history of controversy, McMichael didn’t feel he was tempting fate by adding Stalions to his staff.

“As a person, he’s intense when it comes to football,” McMichael said. “When he’s away from football, he’s just a regular guy.”