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2801088, 2023 NFL Regular Season Week 14: Throwin' in the (Terrible) Towel? Posted by Dstl1, Sun Dec-10-23 01:03 PM
Guess who's bizzack??? Fresh from the Caribbean, reeking of jerk chicken and sweating rum. Let's get right down to business.
I'm seeing all the scuttlebutt regarding one Michael Pettaway Tomlin. Legs is taking damage for his criticisms and I gotta take a step back and keep it a buck and change...there IS something to what he's saying...shit gets stale after a while...in any situation. At the same time...the Steelers roster ain't really all that banging, man. I think both things can be true. Listen, man...there is a world where you don't have a stud QB, your offense looks shitty and you just can't score BUT you don't get absolutely macked by Bailey Zappe. That shit has nothing to do with the roster. That looks like folks are not prepared to play. Now, I know Ryan Clark is not the end-all be all of this discussion, but here's a guy who genuinely loves Mike Tomlin...as a human, not a football coach. These dudes are close, their wives are close, they support each other's kids and kick it at each other's homes. What he's saying here is not terribly different from what Legs is saying. https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/39069624
I dunno what's gonna happen in Pitt...if they freefall through the rest of the season, it might be a wrap. All that said...I'd push Mike McCarthy down an elevator shaft if it meant Mike Tomlin would be the HC of the Cowboys. On to the games, gents:
Sunday Early
Bucs @ Falcons
Lions @ Bears
Colts @ Bengals
Jags @ Browns (Trevor Lawrence IS gonna fight)
Panthers @ Saints (*vomits*)
Texans @ Jets (It was Zach Wilson all along)
Rams @ Ravens
Sunday Late
Vikes @ Raiders
Hawks @ Niners
Bills @ Chiefs (Sean McDumbass is on the verge of fucking around and finding out. They digging up shit to make him look stupid (he actually did that himself, they just kinda assisted. Yall see that shit he said right? Mofo gave the example of the 9/11 terrorists as a unit that communicated well to accomplish a goal. He really used that in a team meeting)
Broncos @ Chargers (Get Brandon the fuck outta here!! (c)Me/DNA
SNF
Eagles @ Cowboys (not much to say, really. You want the division? Here it is)
MNF - Doubleheader
Titans @ Dolphins
Packers @ Giants
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2801090, congrats Bucs fans on your win Posted by Ray_Snill, Sun Dec-10-23 01:12 PM
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2801091, LOL...come on, fam Posted by Dstl1, Sun Dec-10-23 01:15 PM
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2801093, you already know Posted by Ray_Snill, Sun Dec-10-23 01:24 PM
Arthur Smith hasn't won 3 games in a row since he been here. we got 2 starting linemen out, and Mike Evans pretty much has keys to the city of Atlanta. not a recipe for success
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2801112, I'm sorry, man....they had it....they had the game won. Posted by Dstl1, Sun Dec-10-23 04:06 PM
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2801116, we NEVER have the game won. Posted by Ray_Snill, Sun Dec-10-23 04:14 PM
we lost 3 games in a row where we 'had the game won' this season.
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2801142, I went to the game. 2 terrible teams Posted by dillinjah, Sun Dec-10-23 07:59 PM
Saints will still win the division š
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2801140, I'll take it. Posted by CyrenYoung, Sun Dec-10-23 07:48 PM
*skatin' the rings of saturn*
..and miles to go before i sleep...
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2801092, Goodness, man....awful, awful news.... Posted by Dstl1, Sun Dec-10-23 01:23 PM
former Titans TE Frank Wycheck dies after falling in his home and hitting his head, Saturday morning. He was 52. Shit, man. We just drove by Nissan Stadium on the way home yesterday, passing through Nashville. Life is something. R.I.P.
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2801096, damn rip Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sun Dec-10-23 02:06 PM
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2801094, Lions need to fire and replace Aaron Glenn Posted by Sofian_Hadi, Sun Dec-10-23 01:27 PM
They arent reaching the upper level of the NFC until they get a new defensive approach
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2801095, Lions defense is...something.... Posted by Dstl1, Sun Dec-10-23 01:29 PM
start slow, bad penalties. That's such a stupid, undisciplined thing Anzalone just did.
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2801097, Bruh, I would gladly trade McCarthy for Tomlin Posted by legsdiamond, Sun Dec-10-23 02:07 PM
You guys like the quotes and the vibe of Tomlin. You arenāt thinking clearly.
Tomlin is a defensive HC. We have lost the last 4!games where we played teams who weren2-10.
We lost to Tim fucking Tebow dawg. You donāt want this.
Everyone kept saying once the Cowher players left Tomlin would be exposed. I called these white folks out for their racism and while most of them prolly are, it doesnāt mean they werenāt correct.
We are NEVER prepared vs good teams unless its AFCN teams. Its not because of coaching, its because these are the teams the players are most familiar with.
You donāt want this fam.
You donāt want 9 win seasons to keep the never had a losing season streak alive. The fuck is that streak good for if you arenāt winning playoff games? Just means you are picking in the 20ās every year.
You not want Tomlin to handcuff your offense. Even when we had the Killer Bās we only won a few playoff games and one was against the Bengals with a backup QB and we still needed Joey Porter to draw a penalty after a personal foul AS A COACH to get into FG range.
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2801101, Guess i missed all the Playoff winning McCarthy has done lately Posted by Sofian_Hadi, Sun Dec-10-23 02:28 PM
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2801107, Tomlin hasnāt won a playoff game in 6 years Posted by legsdiamond, Sun Dec-10-23 02:46 PM
yall sound spoiled.
I know you want a Superbowl but the fact you actually have hope, even if its falso hope and sarcasm.. you still play well enough to say ājust maybe, maybe.. we can win THAT game and get to a SBā
right now the Steelers are in āplease, please.. pass for 200 yardsā mode right now.
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2801108, I seriously don't get your Tomlin hate Posted by The Real, Sun Dec-10-23 03:58 PM
He's legit had to coach the last 5 seasons hiding his QB. Maybe even more. You ride with Kenny Pickett, dude is trash! He's the Dollar Tree version of Alex Smith.
I'm actually rooting for the Steelers to dump Tomlin. I want you ungrateful fans to see how good you had it.
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2801109, The only part I'm weirded out by.... Posted by Dstl1, Sun Dec-10-23 04:02 PM
is that not even 2 seasons ago, he was marching in the streets with a pick in his afro, defending Tomlin against racist white Steeler fans who wanted him gone...now Tomlin ain't shit and he bringing up the fucking Broncos/Steelers game from 2012 or some shit as part of his argument. Make it make sense, Legs.
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2801115, Yep, I remember all that Posted by calij81, Sun Dec-10-23 04:10 PM
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2801120, its a bit odd that folks wonder why Iāve given up on Tomlin Posted by legsdiamond, Sun Dec-10-23 05:42 PM
when we just had a great chance to lock up a playoff spot vs 2 of the worst teams in the NFL
and lost to both at home.
teams are grabbing QBās off the couch and putting up 300 yards, yet ours always look like SHIT.
done ranting about this shit. Would love to be wrong.
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2801119, its gets old defending bad performances Posted by legsdiamond, Sun Dec-10-23 05:08 PM
especially when he keeps coming up like shit vs bad teams.
Iāve been waiting 7 years to shit talk these fucks and he just confirmed what I donāt want to admit.
The last 4 times we played teams who were 2-10 we lost.
Its been 6 years since we won a playoff game.
Weāve been blasted in the last 3 playoff losses giving up 40 ppg.
and you want ME to make it make sense?
I bring up Tebow because that shit is a prime example of how ridiculous our performances have been vs mediocre QBās at critical times.
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2801128, Bro, I AGREED with you, lol... Posted by Dstl1, Sun Dec-10-23 06:30 PM
I admitted Tomlin has some culpability in this...especially when you get demonstrated on by Bailey Zappe. Ryan Clark agrees. I ain't go hold you, though...I hope we can talk again after year 4 of Dan Lanning or some shit.
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2801110, has he had to or chosen to? Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sun Dec-10-23 04:04 PM
i think a parting at the end of the season is best for all parties. Tomlin is still a good coach but they are going to be in no mans land with him.
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2801113, thatās because the Steelers prolly arenāt your team. Posted by legsdiamond, Sun Dec-10-23 04:08 PM
I appreciate what he did but Iām done defending his shortcomings.
you guys are defending the man, not the performance.
fighting and clawing for 9 wins gets old
and this idea that without Tomlin we will be in purgatory is laughable. Teams survive after they move on from a coach. Given our history Iām pretty sure we can find another young coach who can motivate players.
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2801099, Bryce Young is Josh Rosen 2.0 Posted by calij81, Sun Dec-10-23 02:22 PM
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2801100, amazing that Atlanta spent 3 top ten picks on offense Posted by will_5198, Sun Dec-10-23 02:26 PM
and they have the 8th-ranked running back, 46th-ranked wide receiver and 10th ranked tight end in yards gained
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2801102, our QB is shell shocked Posted by Ray_Snill, Sun Dec-10-23 02:29 PM
and now the FG kicker with the best percentage in NFL history is missing 2 in a game. the Falcons just gotta Falcon
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2801111, Atlanta snatched that defeat from the jaws of victory... Posted by Dstl1, Sun Dec-10-23 04:04 PM
quicker than Zion snatching up a shrimp Po-Boy.
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2801114, Lamar methodically driving this offense Posted by Amritsar, Sun Dec-10-23 04:08 PM
Hasnāt looked pretty all day today. But as I watch this last drive I see a poised and confident QB who is playing like the best in the league imo
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2801117, MVP Posted by Amritsar, Sun Dec-10-23 04:18 PM
Guy is unreal
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2801118, Earning every penny of that contract. Posted by Beezo, Sun Dec-10-23 04:43 PM
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2801121, Josh Allen just can't help himself. Posted by Sofian_Hadi, Sun Dec-10-23 05:47 PM
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2801122, Justin Jefferson injured in his first game back... Posted by Dstl1, Sun Dec-10-23 05:50 PM
after missing 7 games due to injury.
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2801123, Another QB down...Herbert out for the game Posted by Dstl1, Sun Dec-10-23 06:10 PM
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2801124, I think his season is done. I am guessing a broken finger on his throwing hand Posted by calij81, Sun Dec-10-23 06:18 PM
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2801126, LOL...Russ at they neck! Posted by Dstl1, Sun Dec-10-23 06:26 PM
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2801127, That should have been OPI but they never call it Posted by calij81, Sun Dec-10-23 06:27 PM
Sutton had his arm extended the whole time on Davis.
Not that it really matters as the Chargers arenāt winning this game regardless.
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2801129, fam, yall DB had Sutton in an arm bar, c'mon. Posted by Dstl1, Sun Dec-10-23 06:31 PM
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2801130, Chargers losing regardless but Davis was trying to break Suttons arm bar Posted by calij81, Sun Dec-10-23 06:35 PM
Sutton had his arm fully extended against Davis.
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2801131, DK always lose his cool when shit don't go his way, lol Posted by Dstl1, Sun Dec-10-23 06:55 PM
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2801132, Yeah, it is a bad look for him Posted by calij81, Sun Dec-10-23 07:13 PM
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2801136, i'm the biggest DK critic. Posted by PROMO, Sun Dec-10-23 07:43 PM
however, apparently Fred Warner punched him in the back of the head when he was on the ground.
i'mma cut him a break on this one.
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2801138, Ok....I didn't know that... Posted by Dstl1, Sun Dec-10-23 07:46 PM
I can't tell a man to let another man punch him in the head and not react.
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2801143, funny thing is i sort of understand why Warner did it. Posted by PROMO, Sun Dec-10-23 08:08 PM
cuz DK sort of reverse slammed him but to be fair to DK Warner had made the INT so it's DKs job to tackle him by hook or by crook.
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2801144, LOL...he did kinda suplex Warner.... Posted by Dstl1, Sun Dec-10-23 08:50 PM
Warner was smart though, when DK grabbed him up, he just let him. The retaliator always gets caught.
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2801133, Bills with some genius clock management. Lol Posted by Sofian_Hadi, Sun Dec-10-23 07:25 PM
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2801134, imagine holding your opponent to 3 points Posted by Mynoriti, Sun Dec-10-23 07:27 PM
and losing
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2801135, Stop crying Patty Posted by Beezo, Sun Dec-10-23 07:41 PM
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2801137, kadarius kadarius'd Posted by PROMO, Sun Dec-10-23 07:44 PM
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2801139, Pat need to be mad at the WRs not the refs Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sun Dec-10-23 07:48 PM
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2801141, NFL has a flag problem Posted by legsdiamond, Sun Dec-10-23 07:50 PM
I swear every fucking play feels like a flag is thrown.
can't even celebrate good plays half the time because there is a flag you have to wait on.
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2801162, refs paychecks are being subsidized by sportsbooks. Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Dec-11-23 09:19 AM
we all know it... spend all game allowing DBs being worn as backpacks then calling the weakest DPI late in the game near the endzone (Browns vs Jags).
Maia Chaka excepted, that ref crew can eat the poo poo
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2801145, weekly "Terrance Steele is killin us" reply Posted by Dstl1, Sun Dec-10-23 08:52 PM
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2801146, Damn, it feels good to have a kicker Posted by Dstl1, Sun Dec-10-23 08:57 PM
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2801155, ^^^^ Posted by Dstl1, Sun Dec-10-23 11:04 PM
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2801173, I'm afraid to have full confidence in him Posted by mista k5, Mon Dec-11-23 11:15 AM
He has been so clutch though
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2801148, Way to be aggressive at the end of that half Posted by Dstl1, Sun Dec-10-23 09:57 PM
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2801149, RE: Way to be aggressive at the end of that half Posted by jimaveli, Sun Dec-10-23 10:30 PM
>.
I JUST told my BiL Dem Boys would be aight if they can just avoid jackass turnovers. And here we go here we go, but they aināt Domino!
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2801152, LOL...that's a deep cut...Ghetto Jam Posted by Dstl1, Sun Dec-10-23 10:53 PM
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2801151, the cowboys kicker is incredible Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sun Dec-10-23 10:43 PM
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2801153, Lord, we got Stephon for a 5th round pick Posted by Dstl1, Sun Dec-10-23 10:54 PM
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2801154, Ferg.got.that.dawg.in.him!!!!! Posted by Dstl1, Sun Dec-10-23 11:00 PM
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2801157, A$AP Ferg and LaPorta are my two favorites Posted by Amritsar, Sun Dec-10-23 11:30 PM
White boys running the TE space these days and for the foreseeable
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2801156, Went from cautiously optimistic on Purdy in 2022 Posted by Amritsar, Sun Dec-10-23 11:28 PM
To expecting him to light up defenses week in and week out now
https://x.com/coach_yac/status/1733971914547233020?s=46
https://x.com/eastbaychris/status/1733986473547075684?s=46
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2801159, He did have that 3 game stretch in October where he looked lost Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Dec-11-23 08:04 AM
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2801160, wasnt Trent Williams and Deebo out at that time Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Dec-11-23 08:16 AM
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2801165, Yep. Trent is the best player on the field Posted by Amritsar, Mon Dec-11-23 09:47 AM
When heās out there
Outside zone runs to his side of the field all game/season long
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2801170, And a concussion doesn't help your on field awareness either Posted by mrhood75, Mon Dec-11-23 11:03 AM
All of his mistakes during the Vikings game took place after he got his bell rung very hard.
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2801169, not that you shouldn't be positive about Purdy... Posted by PROMO, Mon Dec-11-23 10:41 AM
but our defense is a joke so i'd just warn you to take that into consideration.
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2801161, I'm out until the Eagles straighten up and fly right. Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Dec-11-23 09:16 AM
and if they don't, I'm supporting the AFC. don't care who it is: Dolphins, Chiefs, Ravens...even and especially the BROWNS.
Eagles playing like dogshit and I can't abide a Crock Purdy ascension nor a Dallas Cowboys meme death.
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2801166, Chiefs really looking like some entitled crybabies right now Posted by Sofian_Hadi, Mon Dec-11-23 09:57 AM
Mahomes crying and screaming at the refs Mahones complaining to Josh Allen during the handshake instead of the normal "good game" Andy Reid complaining at the podium
All that energy should be directed at their dumb teammate for costing them yet another game. He was CLEARLY offsides and this is the team that has consistently gotten flags to help them win games. Bunch of crying hoes.
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2801167, they won a SUPER BOWL on a way less defensible call Posted by Tiger Woods, Mon Dec-11-23 10:28 AM
Mahomes SHOULD be mad , but at the people who gave him bargain bin receivers
A penalty like that is a culture mistake. When you got C+ receivers who you donāt hold especially accountable then things like this will happen. Toney is literally the type of numbskull who Lamar had to put up with every year until this season.
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2801171, He Should be mad at all the turnovers and dumb penalties Posted by Amritsar, Mon Dec-11-23 11:04 AM
Went on throughout the game and killed too many opportunities for them yesterday
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2801174, Yeah, none of this is a good look Posted by Ashy Achilles, Mon Dec-11-23 11:27 AM
I really think it's just displaced anger for poor receiver play all season
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2801176, true...he does a good job of keeping heat off his team (receivers) Posted by Cenario, Mon Dec-11-23 11:45 AM
maybe that was his plan to distract from toney
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2801175, I didnāt think Mahomes was this much of a bitch Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Mon Dec-11-23 11:39 AM
Mf lined up past the ball ffs. Go bark at him not the refs.
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2801188, so much "go get your manager!" energy Posted by Mynoriti, Mon Dec-11-23 04:39 PM
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2801194, He was channeling his wifeās inner Karen energy Posted by calij81, Mon Dec-11-23 09:53 PM
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2801181, I remember him pointing and nodding on that SB bailout call Posted by Mynoriti, Mon Dec-11-23 01:41 PM
Lol
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2801183, well, who wouldnāt want a penalty to help them out? lol Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Dec-11-23 02:06 PM
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2801187, of course, but to cry this much when it doesn't go your way Posted by Mynoriti, Mon Dec-11-23 03:51 PM
and go on about how the refs shouldn't decide a game, etc...
except when you're the beneficiary lol
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2801191, its like those people who always claim the refs are hosing their team Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Dec-11-23 07:48 PM
they rarely admit when the refs call bullshit their way
hell, I try to make a point to say āthat was a shitty call.. BUT IāLL TAKE IT!!!ā when my team gets a call that is clearly a bad call. Like that first down vs one team that was clearly short. lol
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2801168, Toney is the ultimate Florida Gator Posted by will_5198, Mon Dec-11-23 10:37 AM
a certain number of their alumni are just not wired correctly
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2801172, Lol Posted by Amritsar, Mon Dec-11-23 11:04 AM
The poorest manās Deebo
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2801189, by my memory, Mahomes is catching real shit for the first time Posted by Tiger Woods, Mon Dec-11-23 07:26 PM
to this point he seemed universally loved but today there's been a consensus "chill bro" from everyone on podcasts, TV, and radio that I don't remember him experiencing before. The most embarrassing part is that he's so obviously wrong, which works against him and makes him look like a huge sore loser. I keep waiting for the "I lost my cool and Josh Allen deserved better" apology but I'm not sure it's coming.
Mahomes tantrum/dogshit receivers/Taylor Swift noise...they're just all around off right now. You can't rule them out in the postseason because of the quarterback but right now they're a wreck.
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2801192, his wife and younger brother are rubbing off on him. Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Dec-11-23 07:51 PM
this is the first season I think Mahommes feels that pressure of it slipping away due to salary cap impact and shit WRās.
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2801227, I gotta assume he's a little embarrassed Posted by Mynoriti, Tue Dec-12-23 02:03 PM
complaining to Josh Allen was pretty funny. I know they're cool but what do you expect him to say?
by the time the presser came around I think he assumed all the talking heads and public would take his side just based on most of us are frustrated with officiating, especially if they're calling back a great play. That he's a passionate competitor, etc.. I'm not saying he spent much time thinking about it. More that it was just given.
Instead he just looked like a spoiled brat and it's gonna go down as one of the memorable sports tantrums ever, but it's more its just gonna become a meme than any real hit to his rep
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2801195, DeVito starting over Tyrod is some bullshit Posted by DJR, Mon Dec-11-23 09:55 PM
Tired of seeing DeVitoās goofy ass family. Fuck outta here with all that.
Put Tyrod in.
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2801196, Tyrod is better but the Giants arenāt in the playoff hunt Posted by calij81, Mon Dec-11-23 09:59 PM
Might as well start the guy who can get you a higher draft pick.
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2801198, I hate that loser shit Posted by DJR, Mon Dec-11-23 10:24 PM
This isnāt the NBA.
Get to 7 or so wins and be respectable, IMO, and try to build on it next year. First month of this season was a perfect storm of everything going wrong. A veteran QB with these young WRās that we need to pop like Hyatt and Robinson, would be better for their development anyway IMO.
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2801199, Giants are in the 5th spot right now, they could get the 2nd Posted by calij81, Mon Dec-11-23 10:29 PM
If they lose out and the Pats win 2 more games. Assuming the Giants donāt want a QB, being in the 2nd would give me them a lot of leverage for a trade to a team that needs a QB. I would tank and get the highest pick possible.
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2801200, They sucked and got high picks for most of the last 10 years Posted by DJR, Mon Dec-11-23 10:35 PM
It didnāt help.
Finally had a good season last year - canāt completely fall on your face this year IMO. Iād rather be respectable and continue to learn to win and fully get rid of the bullshit loser culture thatās been there for too long.
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2801197, prolly sells n mad tickets in Bensonhurst Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Dec-11-23 10:23 PM
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2801202, this Italian stereotype caricature shit is so corny Posted by DJR, Mon Dec-11-23 11:17 PM
Go use some other franchise for your 15 minutes. Go to the scrubby ass Jets or something. Fuck outta here with that.
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2801203, mama mia!! Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Dec-11-23 11:23 PM
sorry, just saw them kick the game winner.
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2801219, lmao Posted by Cenario, Tue Dec-12-23 11:29 AM
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2801204, got that W tho lol Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Mon Dec-11-23 11:24 PM
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2801205, Ok, I take it back! He came through in the 4th quarter! Posted by DJR, Mon Dec-11-23 11:25 PM
I didnāt think he had it in him. Happy to be wrong.
Tyrod is still better though.
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2801220, lmao..this fucker got them winning 3 in a row witht he saints next smh Posted by Cenario, Tue Dec-12-23 11:31 AM
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2801254, Is Tyrod really better? Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Dec-13-23 08:06 AM
More athletic or easier to root for? Sure..
but IMO Tyrod has always been like Josh Dobbs. He is an āalmostā or āif he just made a few more playsā type of QB.
one of those guys who can get you close but just doesnāt win close games at a high clip.
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2801273, Bills were always 9-7 or 8-8 when he started Posted by DJR, Wed Dec-13-23 02:09 PM
I think heās a guy you can win games with, but heās not going to put the team on his back.
DeVito is getting all the attention because of the sideshow stuff, but the Giants defense is carrying them lately. Credit to him for avoiding turnovers though and he definitely played a great 4th quarter against the Packers.
I think the difference is Tyrod wouldnāt take all these sacks. DeVito eats the ball and kills drives with sacks way too often.
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2801271, NFC Offensive Player of the Week! Posted by Cenario, Wed Dec-13-23 12:17 PM
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2801206, Miami looks real fraudulent this year Posted by legsdiamond, Mon Dec-11-23 11:56 PM
epic collapse.
The fuck do they have Tyreek returning kicks but off the field on the last drive?
Here comes the Levis love again now, but he outplayed Tua and deserves praise for this win. I didnāt think he would be this good.
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2801212, RE: Miami looks real fraudulent this year Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Dec-12-23 09:13 AM
>epic collapse. > >The fuck do they have Tyreek returning kicks but off the field >on the last drive? > >Here comes the Levis love again now, but he outplayed Tua and >deserves praise for this win. I didnāt think he would be >this good.
I'm still hoping the Steelers somehow steal Malik Willis
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2801217, steal? I'm sure Willis will be available next offseason Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Dec-12-23 10:57 AM
now that Levis is their QB.
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2801218, Iām sure if they wanted him they could get him for a 6th or 7th Posted by calij81, Tue Dec-12-23 11:22 AM
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2801222, Steal? Posted by The Real, Tue Dec-12-23 12:28 PM
Steelers GM: Hey, we have a bag of dildos.
Titans GM: He's yours.
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2801260, he's barely been given a chance I think can be at least as good as half... Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Dec-13-23 09:19 AM
the guys starting in the league right now
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2801275, I think he would succeed with a Greg Roman type OC Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Dec-13-23 03:10 PM
he could be a Cam Newton/Hurts type because he has an arm. You just have to get him going with a few runs first and give him some easy ass throws to gain confidence.
He isnāt a Cam or Hurts, let me make that clear.
His short game is trash but I think play action over the top could be his bread and butter
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2801223, idk ... I feel differently Posted by Tiger Woods, Tue Dec-12-23 01:06 PM
that's a bad loss sure, especially given it was at home and what was at stake
but still no one else in the AFC has the firepower they have. If you consider who the five best offensive players in the AFC playoffs are, you'd obviously go 1. Mahomes and 2. Lamar ... but after that? Dolphins may round out the rest of the top five with their skill guys.
And Miami could still very well sew up homefield, and the SB this year even is in a dome. And I'm pretty sure their coach is an transformational offensive genius ala Walsh/Gibbs/Holmgren/Reid/Payton/McVay.
People who are casting the Dolphins out right now are forgetting how inexperienced they are. This is the first year they've been able to keep Tua upright for a full season (looking for wood to knock on), and just McDaniel's second year at the helm. A loss like last night is one of the growing pains that come with young coaches and young teams - McVay the boy wonder got SPANKED by Bill in the most boring Super Bowl of all time, and The Niners took their lumps with inconsistent QB play before this year finding their diamond in the rough in Purdy.
I'm still bullish on the Dolphins, their roster, and their coach overall.
To me I think last night is more a testament to Vrabel and Levis than it is an indictment of the Fins.
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2801233, they were up 14 points with 3 minutes left Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Dec-12-23 05:11 PM
the problem with this team is they haven't beat anyone good. That fire power rarely shows up vs good teams.
a testament to Levis and Vrabel? This isn't a good TN team.
at some point this team has to beat someone legit. We will see in the next 4 games. Don't be surprised if they go 1-3. It's a brutal stretch.
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2801237, Sure. Posted by Tiger Woods, Tue Dec-12-23 08:28 PM
They wonāt go 1-3
Probably go 2-2, maybe 3-1. Definitely winning their division. Better than 40% chance of a first round bye. Idk thatās a great season to me for a 2nd year coach and QB combo.
One turn youāre saying they donāt beat anyone, next turn youāre like but Tennessee isnāt good.ok?
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2801252, huh? I said they didnāt beat anyone good AND lost to a bad TN team Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Dec-13-23 07:55 AM
which means Miami looks a bit fraudulent when you look at who they beat vs who they lost to.
where is the confusion? lmao
They lost to Buff, Eagles, KC, TN (which is a bad loss given they were up 14 with 3 minutes left and TN was 4-8).
they beat: Pats Denver (they were terrible to start the year) Carolina Wash Jets Chargers Giants Raiders
Denver is the only team with a chance to make the playoffs on that list.
they have to play Jets, Dallas, Ravens and Bills. That is a hard 4 games. Maybe beat the Jets but I think thatās it.
That was a brutal loss
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2801238, yeah thats a horrific L. i enjoyed it tho lol Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Tue Dec-12-23 08:56 PM
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2801253, loved to see it Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Dec-13-23 08:03 AM
and it kinda proves why some call them paper champions. That 70 point win had folks thinking they were strong as hell and yes, when its rolling they look scary good.
But then you zoom out and its always against really bad teams and they have yet to show this offense can do this vs anyone physical or anyone who knows how to win consistently this year.
I wouldnāt bet on this team. They got that Chargers vibe this year.
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2801224, 3 OL out will make anyone look bad Posted by cgonz00cc, Tue Dec-12-23 01:10 PM
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2801234, it wasn't just the OL Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Dec-12-23 05:14 PM
that D looked suspect late.
the offense looked lost without Hill. The last possession not even having Hill on the field? What was that about?
As good as McDaniels is drawing up plays he looked clueless in crunch time.
TN tried their best 2 give them the game with 2 turnovers late AND a pick 6 to a DL.
and they still gave it right back.
just look at who they beat vs who they lost to this year. I can't see them making any type of playoff run if they don't show up and deliver vs a team worth a damn.
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2801262, Not like this, Camā¦. Posted by Dstl1, Wed Dec-13-23 09:37 AM
and why is he dressed like a Shriner on a mushroom trip? https://x.com/jasrifootball/status/1734732909213368678?s=20
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2801280, dude's dressed like a Christmas tree ornament Posted by Mynoriti, Wed Dec-13-23 03:57 PM
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2801267, *** looks down on the Eagles *** Posted by LegacyNS, Wed Dec-13-23 10:53 AM
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ <---- 5.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo
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2801312, ha Posted by Cenario, Thu Dec-14-23 12:43 PM
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2801309, Does KC miss Bienemy? Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Dec-14-23 11:58 AM
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2801310, KC misses Tyreek Hill... Posted by Dstl1, Thu Dec-14-23 12:04 PM
Eric Bienemy aint making receivers drop passes. He didn't cause Tony to let a ball go right through his hands and turn into a pick 6. He didn't cause MVS to drop a perfectly thrown bomb/easy touchdown. Chiefs don't have a scheme problem, they have a 'nobody can win one on one...and if they do get an opportunity to get a target, they can't catch it' problem.
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2801315, was Tyreek there last year when they went to the Super Bowl? Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Dec-14-23 01:13 PM
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2801316, You know teams don't instantly get bad, right? Posted by Dstl1, Thu Dec-14-23 01:28 PM
The shit is gradual. Barry Swtizer won a SB the season after Jimmy Johnson left. I get it, though. You're doing a thing, so go off. We know Eric Bienemy is good. His absence is not the reason the Chiefs have the record they have. We LITERALLY have watched 2 receivers cost them THREE GAMES...right before our eyes. They could be 11-2 right now, easily.
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2801319, what are you even talking about? Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Dec-14-23 03:20 PM
>The shit is gradual. Barry Swtizer won a SB the season after >Jimmy Johnson left. I get it, though. You're doing a thing, >so go off. We know Eric Bienemy is good. His absence is not >the reason the Chiefs have the record they have. We LITERALLY >have watched 2 receivers cost them THREE GAMES...right before >our eyes. They could be 11-2 right now, easily.
https://www.newsweek.com/kc-chiefs-may-missing-eric-bieniemy-more-anyone-expected-1851250
https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2023/12/14/kansas-city-chiefs-patrick-mahomes-says-eric-bieniemy-set-the-standard-for-accountability/
https://arrowheadaddict.com/posts/why-matt-nagy-deserves-more-blame-than-anyone-else-on-kc-chiefs
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2801320, Goodness, I dunno why I bit.... Posted by Dstl1, Thu Dec-14-23 03:35 PM
just make a Eric Bienemy appreciation post.
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2801323, I'm still trying to figure out the Barry Switzer connection lol Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Dec-14-23 03:50 PM
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2801326, it was a simple example... Posted by CyrenYoung, Thu Dec-14-23 05:07 PM
..of a coach leaving, where the residual effect/impact wasn't immediate, but still happened.
We all know that Barry didn't do much but manage the situation created by Jerry & Jimmy, yet he's credited with a SB win. His point was that Bieniemy's presence strong enough that his absence is just now starting to truly show.
*skatin' the rings of saturn*
..and miles to go before i sleep...
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2801334, Didnāt Bienemy just leave last year? Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Dec-14-23 09:48 PM
>..of a coach leaving, where the residual effect/impact wasn't >immediate, but still happened. > >We all know that Barry didn't do much but manage the situation >created by Jerry & Jimmy, yet he's credited with a SB win. His >point was that Bieniemy's presence strong enough that his >absence is just now starting to truly show.
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2801322, I think both of you have valid points... Posted by CyrenYoung, Thu Dec-14-23 03:44 PM
..unfortunately, the only way to know for sure is to be inside that locker room.
Those film sessions, practice, etc. are crucial to not only strategy, but also the culture.
*Dstl1 has a point: Bieniemy's absence doesn't lead to dropped passes. However, what if the real issue is that those WRs aren't being held accountable to the same standard set while EB was there?
While KC clearly has a talented roster, its not nearly as potent (or consistent/dependable) as it was during Bieniemy's tenure.
*skatin' the rings of saturn*
..and miles to go before i sleep...
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2801324, I just asked a question and he acted like I stole his ball lol Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Dec-14-23 03:51 PM
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2801325, Different effect/impact without the accompanying article/link... Posted by CyrenYoung, Thu Dec-14-23 05:03 PM
..context is crucial, and we all know that by now (esp online).
Had you led with the same links you eventually posted, I seriously doubt this dialogue plays out in the same manner.
*skatin' the rings of saturn*
..and miles to go before i sleep...
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2801336, RE: Different effect/impact without the accompanying article/link... Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Dec-14-23 09:51 PM
>..context is crucial, and we all know that by now (esp >online). > >Had you led with the same links you eventually posted, I >seriously doubt this dialogue plays out in the same manner.
I didnāt feel like the Bienemy question was out of left field I had heard talking heads heads on various networks comment on it I didnāt realize folks had such strong feelings but itās probably just me *shrugs*
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