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2791550, 2023 NBA Offseason News
Posted by allStah, Wed Jul-12-23 04:26 PM
It’s being widely reported that James Harden is returning to Houston.

Well, that’s a wrap for Philly being a contender. Maxey takes over at the point,
but at 6’2 defensively he is really small, so a 1/2 punch of Maxey and Embid isn’t
going to cut it.

Harden was always going to go back to the South. He is no East coast cat and never
really liked it.

Harden/Porter/Green/Smith/Sengun…with mofo Udoka!

That’s a serious squad right there

We shall see if this all comes to fruition.
2791553, i will never understand harden to houston for either side.
Posted by Reeq, Fri May-19-23 04:47 PM
so harden is done trying to seriously contend for a chip? (thats why he left in the first place)

and houston is gonna commit big money to harden for several rebuild years to lead/mentor a team of young dudes who already have a reputation for being undisciplined and immature?

damn are the strip clubs that much better in houston?
2791555, I can only answer the 3rd question....
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri May-19-23 05:11 PM
>so harden is done trying to seriously contend for a chip?
>(thats why he left in the first place)
>
>and houston is gonna commit big money to harden for several
>rebuild years to lead/mentor a team of young dudes who already
>have a reputation for being undisciplined and immature?
>
>damn are the strip clubs that much better in houston?

yes lol
2791557, sheesh lol.
Posted by Reeq, Fri May-19-23 05:26 PM
2791568, strip clubs are better, no state income tax, and he is king in houston
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Fri May-19-23 07:05 PM
easy ass decision if you ask me.
philly hoes prob sound like Freeway too i'd be running from that city
2791569, You forgot absolutely no expectations for post season success…
Posted by Dstl1, Fri May-19-23 07:40 PM
he can just play out the string
2791616, I’m sure in Houston there’s a few that sound like Slim Thug
Posted by guru0509, Sat May-20-23 09:13 AM
>easy ass decision if you ask me.
>philly hoes prob sound like Freeway too i'd be running from
>that city


Harden tried winning a ring but a global pandemic stopped him

In Philly the emphasis was on getting Joel the MVP , not playoff success

He did his part , in his head he’s trying to finish w the 💰 and zero injuries
2791617, doubles nm
Posted by guru0509, Sat May-20-23 09:13 AM
Nm
2792107, doc rivers is a finalist for the suns head coaching job.
Posted by Reeq, Tue May-23-23 10:30 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1661198244020469761
2792174, I’m really skeptical about the Harden to Houston stuff.
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu May-25-23 01:10 PM
Because it’s reported Harden wants to play for a team that will compete. Well… that’s not Houston. Especially if they have to pay him the max (which he also clearly wants).

I’ve no doubt Houston front office wants to see the wins go up, because they could all be toast after another bad season, so I get their interest to *some* extent (especially since they don’t have a 2024 pick if memory serves). And I’ve no doubt Harden loves Houston, loves being king of the city. If he doesn’t care about winning at all, he could cash huge checks and do the Damian Lillard thing on the way to a barely-.500 season.

… but I think he’ll be back in Philly if he *actually* wants to compete. Especially because he has Philly COMPLETELY over a barrel for the reason you stated. If they don’t pay him, they’re not competitive any more, and they risk pissing off Embiid. So they just have to offer him a 4-year max.

We’ll see if the “he wants to compete” claims are just bullshit end of the day, lol.

Also, fwiw, if we see a Harden/Green/Porter/Smith/Sengun starting 5 next season, we’re officially on watch for what could be the worst defense in the history of the NBA, lol. They’d be electric on offense and absolutely beyond dreadful on defense. It’d be incredibly fun to watch so I kinda hope it happens for that reason alone, lmao.
2792178, I guess the variable is what he’s able to “say”.
Posted by Ryan M, Thu May-25-23 02:49 PM
Like, similar to Dame…they can SAY publicly they want to compete, but do they? It’s entirely possible Hardens just like, “I could ring chase at the end I guess. Let’s get paid and live like a king”. I can’t blame someone for doing that, but at the same time - you’d be absolutely FLAMED if you said that out loud so…
2792179, Well, my biggest fear is that it's a message to Houston.
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu May-25-23 03:05 PM
And that message is "do everything you have to do to build a win-now team." Trade the 4th pick, trade Porter, trade Sengun, trade Jabari if you have to.

I just... don't know if you can shift your entire timeline from "win 4-5 years from now" to "win today" over the course of a summer, especially considering they don't have all their first rounders going forward.

Feels like a world in which they mortgage the future to play, like, Green, Harden, Pat Bev, Anunoby, maybe they pay a laughably fucking huge deal to Brook Lopez... y'know, some very 44-win-ceiling-ass team like this.

Like, I think Portland has some decisions to make about Dame if Scoot falls into their lap at 3. (We talked about this elsewhere, Ryan.) Because if you have enough youth assets on the roster, trying to run concurrently old timeline and young timeline players at the same time is an insane tightrope to walk.

So it's like Houston... *wants* to be in that boat, lmao. And yeah, I just kinda think they're going to put themselves in a position where they're totally fucked if they sign Harden. Just completely fucked for, like, over half a decade. And I like a lot of their talent (even if the fit is super weird right now), so I hope they don't do it.

(I also just can't imagine a world in which Philly doesn't offer Harden legitimately the entire world to stay, lol.)
2792297, Bucks hiring Raptors assistant Adrian Griffin as new HC...
Posted by Dstl1, Sat May-27-23 06:08 PM
apparently, Nick Nurse took his name out of rhe process. Wonder if he has a handshake deal somewhere. Woj says dude is Giannis-approved, so good for him.
2792414, Okay, that's why...Nick Nurse to Philly confirmed
Posted by Dstl1, Mon May-29-23 03:48 PM
.
2792420, Does this foretell that Harden is out of Philly?
Posted by obsidianchrysalis, Mon May-29-23 05:25 PM
Because I can't see Harden playing for a coach who is so "difficult." (you know, its bad when the white coach is thought to be problematic. LOL)
2792421, i feel like everyone knew Nurse would be in Philly.
Posted by PROMO, Mon May-29-23 05:28 PM
makes the most sense for them.

wonder if he can get them over the hump.
2792524, narrator:
Posted by Stadiq, Mon May-29-23 11:32 PM
"he did not get them over the hump"


Nick Nurse needs to send Kawhi one hellofa thank you gift
2792554, Bob Meyers stepping down as Warriors' GM
Posted by Dstl1, Tue May-30-23 11:25 AM
.
2792555, interesting
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue May-30-23 11:32 AM
2792556, Well, that's no good
Posted by mrhood75, Tue May-30-23 12:11 PM
I honestly thought he'd be there until Steph retired.

I've said before that they've been training Lacob's kid for a while now. Like, even during those first few championship seasons. Same with Dunleavy Jr. and ZaZa. And Livingston is on the rise. I'd guess either of the first probably gets the job.

This probably complicates Draymond staying after this year. He's a big Myers guy. And probably could have convinced him to take a team-friendly extension. So... we'll see.
2792579, Myers has been talking about this for at least 2 yrs now...
Posted by CyrenYoung, Tue May-30-23 05:21 PM
..I don't think he was looking fwd to a rebuild.

Whether this signals the official start of that rebuild remains to be seen, but GSW has quite a few things to consider at this point.

Myers can pretty much rest, reset, and write his own ticket in the next few years. Not a bad position to be in at all.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...
2792595, my hope is he is the new GM of the Seattle Supersonics.
Posted by PROMO, Wed May-31-23 10:56 AM
we are supposedly getting them back in the next couple years.

some stuff i saw in the reporting of his departure sort of hinted at him being involved in something like that.
2792597, Or he don't want to be on the hook for reupping Klay and Dray
Posted by Cenario, Wed May-31-23 11:21 AM
haha
2792598, ^^This too^^
Posted by CyrenYoung, Wed May-31-23 11:54 AM
..Somebody has to take the hit, and it won't be Bob lol.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...
2792600, lol i wouldn't want that shit on my resume either
Posted by Cenario, Wed May-31-23 12:08 PM
2792619, i think hes just looking to make more money in media.
Posted by Reeq, Wed May-31-23 04:09 PM
there are some breadcrumbs out there about him aligning with deep pocketed silicon valley investors and getting into the media space.

i dont even think his decision is much about basketball and team building.

shit...this year his biggest in-season moves were trading james wiseman and bringing back gp2 (both at the urging of the vets) and signing two way player anthony lamb to a full contract. he never even really made any effort to bolster the dubs interior...their glaring weakness all season. and in the pre-deadline period of a few weeks when rob pelinka completely revamped the lakers roster...myers was releasing 4 episodes of his podcast in partnership with espn lol.

that didnt sound like a guy who gave a much of a shit about his future as gm lol.
2792627, I don't think they do a full rebuild
Posted by mrhood75, Wed May-31-23 04:57 PM
Again, who knows whether they decide to re-up Dray and Klay, how much it would cost, and how it would effect the team either way? But I think they could probably bring back the same core of the team next season (yes, even Poole) and probably be in the mix. Not front-runners in the conference or anything, but in the mix.
2792614, Forever in debt to this man
Posted by Amritsar, Wed May-31-23 03:29 PM
Who changed the franchise I’ve loved since I was a kid

Idk how it’s going to play out, but if I’m being honest we probably used our basketball juju for the next few decades once this is fully over.

I’ll be here regardless. Calling in to FM 95.7 the game. First time; longggggg time
2792615, for sure lol
Posted by Cenario, Wed May-31-23 03:32 PM

>Idk how it’s going to play out, but if I’m being honest we
>probably used our basketball juju for the next few decades
>once this is fully over.
>
2792630, We headed back to bball purgatory
Posted by Amritsar, Wed May-31-23 07:12 PM
And it’s strangely comforting.

Because it’s familiar
2792616, that's how it goes
Posted by PROMO, Wed May-31-23 03:46 PM

>Idk how it’s going to play out, but if I’m being honest we
>probably used our basketball juju for the next few decades
>once this is fully over.

Dubs have had more extended success than most teams. once it ends you usually have 10 (or more) year wait for the next run.

it was a helluva ride though if it's really over.
2792618, theyre talking about elevating kirk and kent lacob within the org.
Posted by Reeq, Wed May-31-23 03:56 PM
looks like lacob is grooming his fam to run things even if it isnt immediately this year.

and you know the history of franchises being controlled by nepo/crony babies at the top.
2792626, The Lacob kids have been in the front office for years now
Posted by mrhood75, Wed May-31-23 04:53 PM
Even during their first championship season they were talking up how Myers was working with at least one of them.

So they may end up being nepo-baby goofballs, but they've spent time paying dues.
2792624, Yep. Changed the culture forever
Posted by mrhood75, Wed May-31-23 04:51 PM
Hopefully set up enough infrastructure and trained his successors enough that the transition won't be a bumpy as it's been with other times.

Regardless, I've seen fire and I've seen rain with this team, so I'm fully prepared to watch what comes next. Going from four championships/six Finals appearances in eight seasons to just play-off/barely outside the play-offs team really isn't that much to complain about. Besides, I figure this will be really over once Steph retires.
2792620, the warriors became the most valuable franchise in nba history
Posted by Reeq, Wed May-31-23 04:12 PM
under his tenure.

first to crack $7 bil and first not to be the knicks or the lakers.

and just a small way off from surpassing the dallas cowboys as the most valuable sports franchise in the world.

and then you had the success on the court.

bro is a made man.
2792621, I would have bet everything I had the Lakers were worth more.
Posted by Ryan M, Wed May-31-23 04:15 PM
Knicks too, probably - but the Lakers have had a lot more recent success.

That's absolutely insane.
2792623, A big factor is that they own the Chase Center themselves
Posted by mrhood75, Wed May-31-23 04:46 PM
Which looked like it might backfire during the height of the pandemic, because they initially had BIG plans of keeping that spot jumping when the nights the Warriors didn't have games.

It hasn't been until last year, or more likely this year, that they've got it really up and running. From the summer to the winter they're hosting Drake, the LL hip-hop tour, Bruce Springsteen, Madonna, Pink, John Mayer, SZA, etc.
2792625, Ahhhh that makes a lot of sense.
Posted by Ryan M, Wed May-31-23 04:51 PM
2792594, Knicks not bringing Scott Perry back
Posted by Cenario, Wed May-31-23 10:25 AM
2792642, Perry did pretty good, I hope it gives Wes more sway so we can get another
Posted by Castro, Thu Jun-01-23 12:32 AM
coach.
2792617, pistons offering monty $10 mil/year.
Posted by Reeq, Wed May-31-23 03:52 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1663945135682465793
2792636, Monty to Detroit, 6/72...deezam!
Posted by Dstl1, Wed May-31-23 09:11 PM
.
2792637, thats wild. i guess its just paper at the end of the day tho
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Wed May-31-23 09:40 PM
2792638, i think thats an insane way for the owner to spend $72M
Posted by cgonz00cc, Wed May-31-23 10:33 PM
they wont even know if its working until theyve given him like $30M
2792640, SHUCKY DUCKY QUACK QUACK!
Posted by Castro, Thu Jun-01-23 12:31 AM
- thats exactly what Monty said when he saw those numbers.
2792643, He is being paid to do the same thing he did for Booker, Bridges
Posted by allStah, Thu Jun-01-23 12:36 AM
Johnson, and Ayton…get them out of the cellar and develop young players.

This is a huge win for both sides…..

Cade Cunningham, Ivey, are about to evolve like crazy

2792645, CORRECTION....
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Jun-01-23 06:45 AM
6/78.5....an extra 1.1 mil a year for my guy
...do you have to get every last dollar?? Yes! (c)Steve Nash
2792648, one detail I'm somewhat curious about
Posted by Numba_33, Thu Jun-01-23 08:10 AM
Dwane Casey, the former coach for the Pistons, moved up to the front office. I wonder how much sway Casey had in deciding these numbers. With numbers that huge, ownership obviously had the final say. Still wonder if Casey went to bat for Williams though.

With a hefty contact like that, I would have to assume Monty Williams' job security will be stone granite secure, which is beyond rare for NBA head coaches, much less black ones. I hope his six years aren't mired in dread; Detroit sliding in the recent draft with respect to their record was a very bad look.

Secondly, I wonder if this will up the rate for future coaching hires; in particular Budenholzer.
2792685, Silver: We bustin Ja ass after the Finals are over
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Thu Jun-01-23 07:13 PM
https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/1664416531802120193

Adam Silver on Ja Morant: “We’ve uncovered a fair amount of additional information. We probably could have brought it to a head now, but we’ve made the decision that it would be unfair to these players and these teams to announce that decision in the middle of this series.”
2792686, sounds like a season long suspension coming the way he's talkin.
Posted by PROMO, Thu Jun-01-23 07:16 PM
2792687, i think ja should get hammered. but i dont like silver doing this.
Posted by Reeq, Thu Jun-01-23 07:21 PM
just say the league is continuing to investigate and then release the penalty and relevant information after the finals.

no need to tease it like a gossip item and make everyone speculate during the finals.

because itll definitely be talked about on every sports outlet.
2792690, Anything more than 20 games would be excessive…not
Posted by allStah, Thu Jun-01-23 07:52 PM
supporting showcasing a gun or gun modeling, but that’s all he did for
like one second.

No gun charges. No drug charges. No criminal charges period, and it was
a split second in a video.


Anything more the 20 games…get the lawyers involved and the PU better step in.

2792694, did you miss the part where Silver said we got dirt on you doggie?
Posted by PROMO, Thu Jun-01-23 07:58 PM
no way to say what's excessive if they got the goods.
2792704, Dirt on doggie?
Posted by allStah, Thu Jun-01-23 08:11 PM
Is it more dirt than on Adam and the NBA for doing business and in bed
with a country that is trying to kill off a race and deny people human rights?…
more dirt than Adam making blood money, and hushing the league up about it?

The real killers.

Morant is no different than Iverson, Jordan( used to gamble and hang with killers, pimps
and gangsters), Rasheed,etc….Young basketball players who made mistakes because
they were young and dumb.

Iverson was ARRESTED on gun and drug possession. He was given 3 years probation…
I think he got a one game suspension for that.

If nothing criminal occurred and no charges or arrest, anything more than
20 games would be excessive. Period.

One year suspension? FOH

2792719, smh.
Posted by PROMO, Thu Jun-01-23 08:36 PM
did this really require you getting on your high horse for that sermon?

no one is saying the NBA are some angels.

doesn't change the fact that if they got more receipts on Ja, he's getting bopped.
2792693, yeah its messy af lol. but at this point i have no sympathy for ja
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Thu Jun-01-23 07:54 PM
2792721, Right. This is doing the exact opposite.
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jun-01-23 08:42 PM
I mean, this Finals looks like it's going to be shit.

The talking heads need to fill their shows with something the next 48 hours. And now, we know what it'll be!
2792723, Anything more than 20 games is excessive iMO
Posted by guru0509, Thu Jun-01-23 08:48 PM
A whole season is a lot

He didn’t pull a Gilbert arenas and bring them into the locker room (that I know of lol)

82 games is back breaking

A wholhttps://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/1664416531802120193
>
>Adam Silver on Ja Morant: “We’ve uncovered a fair amount
>of additional information. We probably could have brought it
>to a head now, but we’ve made the decision that it would be
>unfair to these players and these teams to announce that
>decision in the middle of this series.”
2792724, It's going to depend on the other stuff.
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jun-01-23 08:49 PM
There's a LOT of smoke with Ja. It's not just about the 2 IG gun incidents, clearly.
2792726, Exactly.
Posted by allStah, Thu Jun-01-23 08:50 PM
2792739, No one here knows the details of Silver's original convo with Ja...
Posted by CyrenYoung, Thu Jun-01-23 09:14 PM
..What we do know is that Morant went back on his word.

You don't go on an apology tour (interview with Jalen Rose) and openly admit you were wrong and will never repeat that behavior, only to do just that not even 2 months later.

He won't win any appeal, regardless of the punishment.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...
2792809, There it is. He’s not the last dude to come along that can run and dunk.
Posted by Beezo, Fri Jun-02-23 12:47 PM
Full year


>..What we do know is that Morant went back on his word.
>
>You don't go on an apology tour (interview with Jalen Rose)
>and openly admit you were wrong and will never repeat that
>behavior, only to do just that not even 2 months later.
>
>He won't win any appeal, regardless of the punishment.
>
>
>*skatin' the rings of saturn*
>
>
>..and miles to go before i sleep...
2792837, For a one year suspension?
Posted by allStah, Fri Jun-02-23 02:44 PM
You’re nuts. There will be major pushback, even from the players if Ja
gets suspended for an entire year.

Ja bright zero guns to any nba facility..and a lot of the other stuff
are allegations and he said/she said.

No charges
No arrests
Nothing

That fact you think that any type of punishment would get little to no
resistance is delusional.

Jaylen Brown and the PU went hardcore off that bullshit that Silver was trying to
put Kyrie through…you think they would sit back and allow Jah to be suspended
for one year…or anything excessive?





2792861, He did this to himself...
Posted by CyrenYoung, Fri Jun-02-23 07:21 PM
..No one can save Ja from his own behavior.

Again: This young man admitted he was wrong on national tv, vowing to never put himself in that position again. He literally went back on his word. What argument could you possibly mount for someone who clearly doesn't understand what's at stake?

Being young & ignorant barely gets young Black athletes a pass and he already used his less than 3 months ago.

You might not want to admit it. Hell, Ja might not want to admit it, but he has a problem. The league is clearly planning to give him plenty of time to deal with that issue away from the game. He won't win sympathy from many of his peers, the players union, etc. I don't see him winning any appeal.

I'm not saying that I think he deserves to sit for a year, but I wouldn't be surprised if that happens.

*Nothing personal, but its kinda wild that you expect more out of the youth in Chi, but make excuses for Ja. Make it make sense.



*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...
2792798, In addition to the punishment
Posted by Numba_33, Fri Jun-02-23 11:40 AM
it's possible Silver and the NBA office will sully Ja Morant's name by going into some small amount of detail about the other infractions the league office has discovered.

With all that factored in, makes perfect since to delay suspending him.

I wonder how much of a fight either the Player's unions and the Grizzlies will put up to challenge the length of the suspension.
2792845, wouldnt that be Ja sullying his own name?
Posted by cgonz00cc, Fri Jun-02-23 03:28 PM
2792794, Wow...hadn't thought about this guy in a sec...Frank Vogel to Phoenix
Posted by Dstl1, Fri Jun-02-23 11:33 AM
.
2792797, That's not the best job to have
Posted by Numba_33, Fri Jun-02-23 11:37 AM
given the high title expectations it appears that team has and how top heavy and imbalanced that roster is.

I have a feeling he's gonna be Fall Guy Vogel again just like he was for the Lakers, but perhaps the Phoenix front office has plans to make that roster get some depth somehow.

Given how much of a Brinks truck Monty Williams got with his signing, I wonder what Vogel's contract looks like; especially the number of years he Phoenix agreed to signed him for.

**edit**

So in theory, that leaves Doc and Budenholzer as the available big name head coaches left for that Toronto Raptors spot, correct? To me knowledge, that's the only head coaching gig available right now. That's a fairly interesting spot as it appears that team is in a huge transition spot right now. Will be interesting who gets left out of getting a head coaching spot; I personally think both guys are slightly overrated, but at the same time, it does suck to be out of a job.
2792807, Massive L. Dude is so overrated. I think his assistants had more
Posted by allStah, Fri Jun-02-23 12:36 PM
to do with him winning than his ability to coach both sides of the ball.

No way would I take Vogel over Bud or Doc..

Smells fishy how he got the job.

2792810, Which assistants?
Posted by khn, Fri Jun-02-23 12:50 PM
I know you're not gonna name the dude who guided a team with 2 superstars more-or-less in their prime out of the playoffs this year.
2792832, The same assistant who guided them to the WCF after winning
Posted by allStah, Fri Jun-02-23 02:30 PM
a chip as an assistant with the Lakers!.

Not his fault they let Brunson go and traded away 2 solid players, and
was left with a depleted squad

There is context.
2792838, Not his fault they missed the *play-in*?
Posted by khn, Fri Jun-02-23 02:51 PM
Just to be clear -

Not the chip.
Not the finals.
Not the playoffs.
THE PLAY-IN.

While publicly washing his hands of everything going on lmao.

Nah, Luka, Kyrie and Kidd get to wear that *forever*. And they were actually trying up until the very last game, where they 180'd and tried to tank it. lol lol lol lol lol.

Wouldn't blame any team for never wanting that dude leading a squad. He's a clown. Seems like all of the other teams with vacancies agree.
2792811, What smells fishy? Honest question...
Posted by Dstl1, Fri Jun-02-23 12:58 PM
I don't give a shit about Vogel, or Phoenix, either for that matter...just genuinely curious. I'd never heard anything about them flirting with Vogel before Monty was fired or anything. Just seems like a team fired a coach and got another one.
2792817, It was fishy when he got the Laker job lol
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jun-02-23 01:15 PM
2792831, No it wasn't. They lowballed Lue. The end.
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Jun-02-23 02:23 PM
2792846, there were other options besides Vogel
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jun-02-23 03:31 PM
>
2792855, Name names.
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Jun-02-23 05:06 PM
And before you do…

He hasn’t been employed as a coach SINCE then. It’s either a league wide conspiracy or nobody fucks with him like that.
2792859, The current HC in Dallas who was Vogel’s assistant?
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jun-02-23 06:25 PM
2792868, The guy who hasn’t accomplished what Vogel had?
Posted by Ryan M, Sat Jun-03-23 08:48 AM
At that point Vogel had made 2 ECFs. Which is more than Kidd had or has done as a coach.

So that’s fishy why again?
2792912, The point is nobody was talking about Vogel, the Lakers wanted Kidd…
Posted by ThaTruth, Sun Jun-04-23 08:40 PM
but were scared to give him the HC job because of off court concerns even though people like Luke Walton have had multiple HC jobs with off court concerns
2792955, Vogel hired Kidd for his staff.
Posted by Ryan M, Mon Jun-05-23 12:10 PM
He was the last assistant added.

Why are you pulling nonsense out of your ass?
2792963, I know you like random arguments but Kidd was a candidate for HC…
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-05-23 12:45 PM
and there were reasons why they didn’t go with him right away if Dallas hadn’t stole him he would’ve most likely been Vogel’s successor and everyone knows that.

But back to the original point that there were other options besides Vogel his name was somewhat out of the blue.
2792975, Lol ok.
Posted by Ryan M, Mon Jun-05-23 02:47 PM
“There were reasons”

“Everybody knows that”

“Fishy”

Good argument!! 🫡
2792833, Vogel hasn’t been mentioned with anything, and now out of
Posted by allStah, Fri Jun-02-23 02:33 PM
nowhere he gets the job?

Fishy on some behind the scenes friendship/circle steez
2792839, They probably should’ve given you a heads up, to be fair
Posted by DJR, Fri Jun-02-23 02:56 PM
2792841, lmao
Posted by Cenario, Fri Jun-02-23 03:17 PM
2792857, Hahahahhahah
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Jun-02-23 05:08 PM
2792801, Dunno if that'll work out but Ayton should thrive.
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Jun-02-23 11:44 AM
2792866, I won't judge it on basketball, but that works for that town.
Posted by Castro, Fri Jun-02-23 10:14 PM
I think Booker ends up in Purple and Gold eventually.
2792930, Sam Cassell joining the Celtics' bench
Posted by Nodima, Mon Jun-05-23 12:52 AM
Part of me can't help but wonder if anybody taking a seat on Mazz's bench is secretly hoping he gets canned and they can snag the job mid-season.


But Bravo drama aside, I think it's smart to surround him with older guys with way more experience than him, especially with ego management if they want to run this roster back once more time.


~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz
2792992, Praise God
Posted by Lach, Tue Jun-06-23 08:01 AM
I do think this move leaves no wiggle room for Joe. Either he has the team playing great during the first half of the season or he's gone before the all star game.
2792949, Chams say Kyrie reached out to Bron...
Posted by Dstl1, Mon Jun-05-23 11:07 AM
to get him to come to Dallas.
2792950, Bron, Kyrie and Luka? lol, the ball would have no air.
Posted by Cenario, Mon Jun-05-23 11:25 AM
2792951, A+ level subject/message misdirect LMAO…
Posted by soulfunk, Mon Jun-05-23 11:40 AM
2792970, Kryie must be bored.
Posted by PROMO, Mon Jun-05-23 01:13 PM
2792976, I can't believe how much the nets acquiesced to this guy (& KD)
Posted by guru0509, Mon Jun-05-23 03:43 PM
I cannot wait until he pulls some bullshit in Dallas.

Does Cuban have the guts to put his foot down immediately...ehh Idk he seems to fall in love with "stars"
2792977, The Mavericks gave up three picks
Posted by Numba_33, Mon Jun-05-23 03:51 PM
in addition to current players to get Kyrie. It's not so much about them acquiescing to Kyrie because he's being a diva; they overcommitted in the short term and ending up screwing themselves in terms of long term freedom, hence them pleading and hoping Kyrie will resign.

It would hurt way too much for Kyrie just up a sign elsewhere, which he's completely free to do.

In this scenario, out of everyone involved, it's Dallas that's in the wrong, not Kyrie.
2792978, Brooklyn should have traded him when he said no to the vax
Posted by guru0509, Mon Jun-05-23 04:11 PM
they would have got way more in return, and if that means KD going then so be it, it would have been a big return for that too.

but they let this shit play on and on and on.....

>in addition to current players to get Kyrie. It's not so much
>about them acquiescing to Kyrie because he's being a diva;
>they overcommitted in the short term and ending up screwing
>themselves in terms of long term freedom, hence them pleading
>and hoping Kyrie will resign.
>
>It would hurt way too much for Kyrie just up a sign elsewhere,
>which he's completely free to do.
>
>In this scenario, out of everyone involved, it's Dallas that's
>in the wrong, not Kyrie.
2792979, mark needs to give kyrie a membership to that cheap drugs website.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Mon Jun-05-23 04:14 PM
2792974, its from The Athletic sooo...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-05-23 02:07 PM
2792989, Knicks Twitter finally coming around to the idea that we can get
Posted by Castro, Mon Jun-05-23 10:23 PM
a better coach. Of course, the default is, "SPO HAS ONE YEAR ON HIS CONTRACT, WE CAN SIGN HIM FOR $50 MILLION A YEAR"

I honestly feel if he does walk, it will be for the Lakers. And Devin Booker who I feel would be a great Laker.

We should see if Ty Lue wants to come to NY.
2793005, why would he leave Miami ?
Posted by Cenario, Tue Jun-06-23 10:34 AM
dude is 52 and looks like he's 40. he should stay in miami forever (especially with riles in charge)
2793022, basically lol
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jun-06-23 12:50 PM
2793026, He’s a god in Miami.
Posted by Ryan M, Tue Jun-06-23 01:50 PM
He’s Pat Riley’s heir apparent. He should never leave.
2793045, Knick fans think everyone wants to go there lol
Posted by guru0509, Tue Jun-06-23 06:30 PM
They thought they were getting kd and Kyrie too

Arison > Dolan

Riley > Rose



>dude is 52 and looks like he's 40. he should stay in miami
>forever (especially with riles in charge)
2793050, I don't suppose that he would either.
Posted by Castro, Tue Jun-06-23 08:42 PM
2793063, And he loves to take walks on the beach at sunrise...with players.
Posted by Nodima, Wed Jun-07-23 02:39 AM
I know specifically this was a big part of the Justise Winslow-related pieces earlier this year but it sounds like it's one of his favorite ways to connect with players, just go watch the sunrise on South Beach


~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz
2793048, LMAO
Posted by Beezo, Tue Jun-06-23 07:57 PM
https://twitter.com/legionhoops/status/1666165432942989312?s=46&t=G8VpH-PD22nzSUjBdHMf0A
2793049, Who’s to say it wasn’t?
Posted by allStah, Tue Jun-06-23 08:31 PM
No proof but a 1 second clip on social media. If silver tries to hit him with
a suspension that’s tremendously long, bring out the lawyers….and take it to court
or arbitration.

He was already punished for previous indiscretions, so this new issue is based on an
online video of him and friends. No one else witnessed it.

He totally should push that.
2793065, An online video of him doing the thing he said he’d never do again
Posted by pretentious username, Wed Jun-07-23 07:58 AM

>He was already punished for previous indiscretions, so this
>new issue is based on an
>online video of him and friends. No one else witnessed it.
>
>He totally should push that.

You seem to think he has some leverage in this situation that he really doesn’t.
And claiming it’s a toy gun weeks later is not gonna help his case lol.
2793074, Some things don’t even deserve a reply. You know..
Posted by Beezo, Wed Jun-07-23 10:17 AM
>
>>He was already punished for previous indiscretions, so this
>>new issue is based on an
>>online video of him and friends. No one else witnessed it.
>>
>>He totally should push that.
>
>You seem to think he has some leverage in this situation that
>he really doesn’t.
>And claiming it’s a toy gun weeks later is not gonna help
>his case lol.
>
2793174, I know
Posted by pretentious username, Wed Jun-07-23 06:36 PM
I take the bait sometimes when I’m bored lol
2793077, what kind of idiot rolls around with a toy gun anyway
Posted by guru0509, Wed Jun-07-23 10:47 AM
what are you gonna do when you need a real gun? yell "pow pow" as you point at them?

it reminds me of that scene in SNATCH where they pull out their replicas and the guy just laughs

I want to know who's idea that excuse was, bc if it's his attorney or PR guy, yea...time to go




>
>>He was already punished for previous indiscretions, so this
>>new issue is based on an
>>online video of him and friends. No one else witnessed it.
>>
>>He totally should push that.
>
>You seem to think he has some leverage in this situation that
>he really doesn’t.
>And claiming it’s a toy gun weeks later is not gonna help
>his case lol.
>
2793083, It’s not what you know. It’s what you can prove.
Posted by allStah, Wed Jun-07-23 11:37 AM
All it takes is any kind of doubt.

The NBA can’t prove that it wasn’t or that it was real. The only people who
were there were him and his friend.

We have no idea where he was, what state he was in, when it actually happened,
or if the gun was real or not. It’s a 1-5 second live clip.

And then there is the legal aspect of it.. Tenn is a permitless carry state
for anyone 18 years old or older, so what rules did he break if he actually
did have a real gun?

He wasn’t in or on any NBA facility and was in or on his own property and on his own
personal time.

Is there any visible language or stipulation in the CBA or any policy where
a player can’t be seen with a gun on his personal time and on his property(
as long as he is in a state that allows it)?

That wouldn’t make any sense since Tenn is a state where you can openly
carry a gun.

There are tons of legal wiggle room with that.
2793086, it doesn't matter if it was a toy or not.
Posted by PROMO, Wed Jun-07-23 11:43 AM
and the NBA doesn't have to prove it.

it's the perception, and the fact that they already told him "stop going on social media showing off guns."

so, they're gonna do what they want, which is announce the suspension they see fit, and then the union can decide if they wanna help Ja fight it.
2793161, But is there any LEGAL LANGUAGE that he can’t show off guns
Posted by allStah, Wed Jun-07-23 04:43 PM
in the CBA or Code of conduct?…considering it’s legal to open and carry in his
state, and would that not go against his second amendment rights?

Sure, don’t bring guns into a NBA facility or a place where the NBA does business.
That‘s their property. So they can have rules for that. Just like stores in legal and carry
states put up signs stating that they don’t allow guns in their store.

But can they really tell Ja that he can’t showcase a gun on his own time and property
in a state where it is legal? That’s a legal matter all day long.

I don’t think you understand the conflict here.

2793162, no. i understand the conflict. it doesn't matter.
Posted by PROMO, Wed Jun-07-23 04:51 PM
the nba will do what they are gonna do.

the ONLY question at this point is how the player's union will handle it.
2793171, There doesn’t have to be.
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Jun-07-23 06:19 PM
And no, this isn’t a legal matter.

You’re wrong about this and Silver’s going to prove it.
2793090, This isn’t a legal issue, and it’s not a court of law.
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Jun-07-23 12:26 PM
>
>And then there is the legal aspect of it.. Tenn is a
>permitless carry state
>for anyone 18 years old or older, so what rules did he break
>if he actually
>did have a real gun?

This doesn’t matter. It’s not a legal issue.

>He wasn’t in or on any NBA facility and was in or on his own
>property and on his own
>personal time.

Were it not on video, this would be a valid point.

>Is there any visible language or stipulation in the CBA or any
>policy where
>a player can’t be seen with a gun on his personal time and
>on his property(
>as long as he is in a state that allows it)?

This doesn’t matter at all. Moreover, there likely is some level of a morality clause/conduct detrimental to the league/etc language in there.

This would only matter if there were actual language in the CBA that directly addresses it- and if it doesn’t, it’s fair game, particularly when it rubs up against any morality/conduct clause.

He will be suspended, and it will stick.
Everything you just said will be moot.
2793173, Is Adam Silver a judge? Is Ja on trial? I must have missed that.
Posted by pretentious username, Wed Jun-07-23 06:25 PM
This has nothing to do with what can be legally proven, what reasonable doubt exists, or what laws are in place wherever he is. Real gun, toy gun, unloaded gun, legal gun, illegal gun. That doesn’t really matter either.

In Silver’s eyes: he made the league look bad, promised he’d never do the thing that made them look bad, then did it again shortly after. You can argue whether Silver is being too hard or just inconsistent (when the suspension is announced, we’re not even discussing something tangible yet), but acting like this is a trial and the NBA has to meet a certain burden of proof than they’ve never had to before when doling out punishment? Lol, why waste your time? What are you even arguing?
2793051, the breakfast club is the only place ive seen report that.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Tue Jun-06-23 08:45 PM
theyve been reporting a lot of inaccurate bullshit out of there lately.

at least when angela yee was there...they used to reference pretty credible sources/outlets for the rumor report. now i honestly think they just get info off their twitter feed.
2793055, and last time it was laser pointers...
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Tue Jun-06-23 09:27 PM
2793064, Right, I forgot about that.
Posted by Beezo, Wed Jun-07-23 05:09 AM
2793052, i guess harden to houston was really just a leverage play after all?
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Tue Jun-06-23 08:45 PM
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1666196916525502469
2793076, He should have been an all star this year, he deserves his bag
Posted by guru0509, Wed Jun-07-23 10:42 AM
yea he didnt play well vs boston but neither did Embid. I dont even think they wanted to play for Doc.

and I honestly think Philly's supporting cast isn't that good. A healthy Giannis/Bucks team would have beat them



>https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1666196916525502469
2793078, Yeah, as I said in Reply 8, it doesn't make sense.
Posted by Frank Longo, Wed Jun-07-23 11:09 AM
Unless his only priority is "I like Houston, I like the strip clubs there, that's where I wanna be." Which would be a totally fair reason!

But Philly will have to offer him whatever he wants money-wise, and he's just in a miles better position to win in Philly than in Houston, obviously. And I struggle to think a future HOF player picks one team over the other purely for nostalgia over the combo of money and team quality, lol.
2793092, Zion name having a rough week in these streets lol
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Wed Jun-07-23 12:34 PM
Knocked up a 30 yo CPN scamming, camsoda thot
Got another bangbros pornstar on his head

Breh a hardcore coomer lol
2793094, that’s his personal business..FOH
Posted by allStah, Wed Jun-07-23 12:48 PM
Come with some real BB stuff…like when will he be on the court.

Couldn’t care less about who he is banging.

Leave that TMZ ish at TMZ
2793097, Shit this probably why he can’t get on the court
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Wed Jun-07-23 12:58 PM
Hammys blown up from messing with them BBLs
2793098, lmao
Posted by Cenario, Wed Jun-07-23 01:00 PM
2793100, yo.
Posted by PROMO, Wed Jun-07-23 01:05 PM
2793101, DNP - reverse cowgirl
Posted by guru0509, Wed Jun-07-23 01:10 PM
>Hammys blown up from messing with them BBLs
2793103, i'm done.
Posted by PROMO, Wed Jun-07-23 01:15 PM
2793110, lol
Posted by Cenario, Wed Jun-07-23 01:38 PM
2793197, ******TEARS*******
Posted by Castro, Wed Jun-07-23 08:58 PM
2793354, LOL
Posted by Ashy Achilles, Fri Jun-09-23 07:55 AM
2793166, lmao
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Jun-07-23 05:38 PM
2793167, if he was playing it wouldn’t be news
Posted by legsdiamond, Wed Jun-07-23 05:40 PM
but all this time off..

no wonder he can’t get healthy
2793096, i was honestly suprised he was with a black chick.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Wed Jun-07-23 12:56 PM
a hood black chick at that.
2793111, IKR? The milkman allegations made him run to the other side of the spectrum
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Wed Jun-07-23 01:41 PM
2793118, Twitter jokes and shame are one thing
Posted by Numba_33, Wed Jun-07-23 01:52 PM
but he should be concerned with getting hit up for some hefty child support payments if what I read is accurate and not some cat-fishing troll nonsense.

Zion finna learn some hard life lessons this off-season it seems.
2793125, btw shaq about to be on that zion monthly payment plan.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Wed Jun-07-23 02:04 PM
his old ass getting caught up with the final level finesse boss.

https://twitter.com/DaCultureVault/status/1666498483917058049
2793164, Shaq is smarter than people give him credit for
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Jun-07-23 05:27 PM
2793170, The cocktail dress & Jeans and sunday afternoon pull over
Posted by josephmurf2384, Wed Jun-07-23 06:01 PM
LMAO
2793172, so funny when you see a really rich dude out w/ a woman sometimes.
Posted by PROMO, Wed Jun-07-23 06:24 PM
she dressed to the nines, hair did nails did everything did.

he in jeans and a hoodie.
2793158, Suns are releasing CP3.
Posted by Frank Longo, Wed Jun-07-23 04:31 PM
Big news.
2793160, Suns hit CP3 with the long kiss goodnight....waived
Posted by Dstl1, Wed Jun-07-23 04:32 PM
.
2793175, shams and woj reporting is contradicting that chris haynes story.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Wed Jun-07-23 06:41 PM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1666578187461984258

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1666583127911694336

theyre claiming a decision hasnt been made and the discussions involved cp3 on a mutual resolution.


btw here was the original chris haynes tweet that claimed cp3 was notified that he was being waived.
https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1666554716380188673

haynes is a klutch guy. i wonder if bron wants cp3 on the lakers now that it looks like kyrie wont be going there.
2793177, Haynes lives for the messiness
Posted by Nodima, Wed Jun-07-23 06:46 PM
I’m not surprised.

I bet the Suns WANT to dump him, but it makes sense they’d be open to other options because, at least in the regular season, they can’t currently claim no Paul is better than a lot of Paul. And I don’t think PG is a particularly rich trade market right now - if you want anybody, it’s the Grizz kid, and they clearly aren’t in the mood to flip him given, y’know.

~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz
2793178, Damn...thought it was a done deal
Posted by Dstl1, Wed Jun-07-23 07:00 PM
.
2793180, "Mutual resolution" means he's gone from the team tho
Posted by mrhood75, Wed Jun-07-23 07:02 PM
Whether or not he's waived or they buy him out, that's likely it for Paul on the Suns.
2793181, the haynes tweet was either accurate or it wasnt.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Wed Jun-07-23 07:12 PM
the language was specific and definitive.

2793182, Well, it was inaccurate in one sense:
Posted by mrhood75, Wed Jun-07-23 07:24 PM
Calling him "one of the top free agents this off-season" is a big stretch. Nobody getting into a serious bidding war over a 38-year-old, frequently injured Chris Paul.
2793331, Everything is being rebooted these days.
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jun-08-23 06:08 PM
Even the CP3 to the Lakers storylines.

SMH.
2793355, 12 years later? no thanks...
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jun-09-23 08:39 AM
>Even the CP3 to the Lakers storylines.
>
>SMH.
2793333, Man, that window was narrow
Posted by Tiger Woods, Thu Jun-08-23 06:33 PM

Only thing that gives them hope is Bookee
2793198, nm.
Posted by PROMO, Wed Jun-07-23 09:06 PM
.
2793329, adam silver got jokes.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Thu Jun-08-23 05:33 PM
https://twitter.com/big_business_/status/1666878626166341657
2793338, LMAO he wrong for that
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Thu Jun-08-23 09:17 PM
2793339, Yeaaaaah Ja is suspended suspended
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jun-08-23 09:36 PM
2793340, LOL
Posted by PROMO, Thu Jun-08-23 09:43 PM
2793352, btw he sure does talk about ja a lot
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Fri Jun-09-23 06:21 AM
for someone who doesnt want ja to overshadow the nba finals.
2793358, He sure gets asked about it a lot
Posted by Cold Truth, Fri Jun-09-23 09:06 AM
It’s not like he’s on some “OH BY THE WAY..” shit with it
2793372, he made that ja joke voluntarily.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Fri Jun-09-23 02:37 PM
2793359, .
Posted by Cold Truth, Fri Jun-09-23 09:06 AM
.
2793512, nba media starting to push the cp3 in golden state narrative.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Mon Jun-12-23 08:09 AM
imagine watching the warriors this season and deciding what they need is another aging veteran who you cant expect to be on the court come playoff time.
2793514, I can’t see it
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-12-23 08:44 AM
2793516, Despite all the talk about money and chemistry re: GSW
Posted by Nodima, Mon Jun-12-23 09:03 AM
In a world where a lot of goofy contract arrangements aren't gonna fly a year from now


I could see them bringing CP3 on and having him run the practice squad 'til March.


To be clear I don't think that will happen but if I were trying to put my stamp on this team post-Myers at the obvious end of an era that'd be nearly impossible to recreate...


CP3 running the practice squad with a bunch of dudes who've been defined by their carelessness as much as their success might be exactly how I want to spend Lacob's money. Especially if I can figure out the Melo backdoor special of getting him in rooms with money managers and VCs.


...But yea, if he wound up in San Francisco I'd be, in full Stephen A. voice, flabbahgasted.


~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz
2793517, RE: nba media speculating on ideas that will drive clicks and views
Posted by Cold Truth, Mon Jun-12-23 09:10 AM
News at 11!
2793518, Zero chance cp3 ego could take riding Steph coattails
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Mon Jun-12-23 09:12 AM
2793520, exactly
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-12-23 09:33 AM
2793530, Paul literally booted Steph out of those State Farm Commercials...
Posted by mrhood75, Mon Jun-12-23 11:06 AM
...once it was became apparent that Steph was as good/getting better than him. No way he decides to back-up Steph now.

And no way the Warriors shed younger players to clear salary space to sign him.
2793783, Anyone paying Paul more than $1 for basketball is insane.
Posted by Sofian_Hadi, Wed Jun-14-23 03:47 PM
Dude cost the Suns literal victories with his seasonal disappearing act in the playoffs.
2793538, Fred Van Vleet opting out, will be UFA in July.
Posted by PROMO, Mon Jun-12-23 02:20 PM
2793545, does anybody care about the Toronto coach or know who he is?
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-12-23 04:51 PM
2793723, Givony reporting GSW is looking to deal Kuminga for a high draft pick.
Posted by Frank Longo, Wed Jun-14-23 11:43 AM
Makes sense imo. They have one more season after the coming one to exercise the club option, and then Kuminga enters restricted free agency. Since they're unquestionably in win now mode, and Kuminga is still all future potential but a current net negative on the floor for the most part, they probably think getting a top 10 pick at a rookie scale contract is better value than having to pay Kuminga increasingly high amounts going forward.

Considering the strength of this class, I'm inclined to agree. Like, Taylor Hendricks would be a better player next season than Kuminga, I'm fairly confident-- especially for the Warriors. Maybe even someone like Gradey Dick, someone who can play the Christian Braun role from Day 1 in all likelihood.

I'm no salary-cap-ologist... but Poole and Wiggins combining to make 53 mil next season, 57 mil in 24/25, and nearly 62 mil in 25/26 feels like it's going to force GSW to have to make some decisions purely for money reasons in the coming year or two. (Unless they can deal Poole somehow.)
2793805, If they’re in win now mode I can’t see them going after another…
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Jun-14-23 09:59 PM
young player
2793810, Why not? Plenty of them in this draft.
Posted by Frank Longo, Wed Jun-14-23 10:55 PM
The problem with the Warriors' strategy wasn't drafting young players-- it was drafting OAD players. You know what players were drafted right after Kuminga that were older than Kuminga? Franz Wagner, Davion Mitchell, Chris Duarte. Who was drafted right after one-and-done Moses Moody? Corey Kispert and Trey Murphy. All but Kispert made an immediate impact year 1, and Kispert's a 42+% 3-point threat by year 2. They all would've played very real minutes for GSW this year.

And, frankly, the Warriors *need* to use rookie-scale deals on players that can help fill out their bench immediately, because outside of the mid-level exception, any deal they make will be either rookie deals or veteran minimum contracts unless they make a serious trade to free up money.

2793779, Wiz and Beal's reps discussing trade destinations
Posted by Dstl1, Wed Jun-14-23 02:52 PM
.
2793780, I wonder if he's going to put Boston on his list
Posted by Lach, Wed Jun-14-23 03:04 PM
Celtics have a lot of assets outside of their core stars they could trade for him but the question is do the Celtics want to have 3 guys on supermax deals in 2 years.
2793781, man, I wanna see yall with Gallo healthy for a full season
Posted by Dstl1, Wed Jun-14-23 03:27 PM
.
2793782, Honestly cannot believe he has a no trade clause
Posted by Ryan M, Wed Jun-14-23 03:42 PM
2793833, Yeah I don't get why the Wiz did that
Posted by Lach, Thu Jun-15-23 11:55 AM
It doesn't really benefit them in any way. It stops a Melo to the Knicks or KD to the Suns type deals from happening where the trading team gets gutted.
2793826, when does the Ja suspension drop? Day after parade or we gotta
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jun-15-23 10:05 AM
wait for Jokic to get back home?
2793827, Perk just said he'd like to see Ja in Miami....
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Jun-15-23 10:24 AM
lol, dude just be saying stuff.
2793829, does anyone really care about his opinion. dude just be talking to talk
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jun-15-23 11:26 AM
i don't know how or why someone wanted to give him a voice.
2793828, did anybody else get an email from Adam Sliver?
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Jun-15-23 11:17 AM
Dear (ThaTruth),

I hope you enjoyed this NBA season – one of the most competitive and unpredictable seasons in the history of our league. And none of it would have been possible without passionate and dedicated fans like you.



Fortunately for basketball fans everywhere, there is so much to look forward to this summer with the NBA Draft and NBA Summer League around the corner and the WNBA season in full swing. Stay up to date on the latest league news with the NBA and WNBA Apps.



On behalf of the NBA and our teams and players, thank you for all your support.



Sincerely,


Adam Silver

NBA Commissioner

2793830, nah i'm 4 email accounts passed the one i created an nba.com account
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jun-15-23 11:28 AM
with
2793866, yep
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Fri Jun-16-23 09:25 AM
2793867, yep
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Fri Jun-16-23 09:25 AM
2793868, Yep
Posted by Lach, Fri Jun-16-23 09:37 AM
2793844, Nuggets had their parade today; when's that Ja suspension dropping?
Posted by Numba_33, Thu Jun-15-23 04:26 PM
Imagine if Adam Silver drops the suspension on Juneteenth?
2793865, Dunleavy Jr to be the new Warriors GM
Posted by Dstl1, Fri Jun-16-23 08:02 AM
.
2793871, MJ selling his majority stake in the Hornets
Posted by PROMO, Fri Jun-16-23 09:48 AM
https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2023/06/16/michael-jordan-hornets-sale-gabe-plotkin-rick-schnall-nba-fans-plenty-to-say
2793872, Ja Morant Suspended for 25 games.
Posted by PROMO, Fri Jun-16-23 09:53 AM
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1669719187198038017

Anything over 20 and and under 40 felt right to me, so this lands there.
2793873, reasonable
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Fri Jun-16-23 09:55 AM
2793874, if you see my edit, agreed.
Posted by PROMO, Fri Jun-16-23 09:56 AM
2793876, 25 piece spicy all flats!
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jun-16-23 10:01 AM
2793879, LOL
Posted by PROMO, Fri Jun-16-23 10:08 AM
2793881, fried hard!
Posted by Dstl1, Fri Jun-16-23 10:18 AM
.
2793880, if Memphis start the season like 23-2, I'm cookin'
Posted by Dstl1, Fri Jun-16-23 10:18 AM
.
2793882, lmao
Posted by Cenario, Fri Jun-16-23 10:22 AM
2793883, hahaha.
Posted by PROMO, Fri Jun-16-23 10:22 AM
i mean, based on what they did last year without him, you'd think they'd at least be a handful of games over .500.

no dillon brooks though (*chuckles*).
2793924, LOL
Posted by Castro, Fri Jun-16-23 02:10 PM
2793884, Would be wild if he still manages to make the All Star game next year.
Posted by Numba_33, Fri Jun-16-23 10:29 AM
Even if he has gaudy stats and Memphis makes the playoffs, he'll still miss too many games to make one of the All-NBA teams, correct?

Main reason I'm asking is to check to see badly this 25 game suspension will mess with his paper; I'm assuming All-Star and/or All-NBA nods are added incentives in his contract.

For the record, I think dude got off quite light, given that Silver seemed to infer he had added evidence outside of that second social media posting.
2793885, pretty sure if he got voted in, nba would fudge that shit
Posted by Cenario, Fri Jun-16-23 10:34 AM
2793886, Good. And I don’t want every NBA lead story being about him.
Posted by Beezo, Fri Jun-16-23 10:43 AM
2793888, Objectively, probably where it should be.
Posted by khn, Fri Jun-16-23 10:45 AM
Personally... I would have been happy with more this time around. Gun violence is a big problem. Gun safety is a big problem. People with enormous platforms generally acting like idiots with guns is a big, big problem.

But you can't just hand-wave away things like precedent (or maybe lack thereof, in this case) and who knows if dropping the hammer on him too hard puts us in martyr territory on this one.

If/when this happens again, that's when he sits a full year.
2793889, agreed. i thought he would get more but this seems fair.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Fri Jun-16-23 10:52 AM
im interested in seeing what this 'additional information' is tho.

2793890, The Apology:
Posted by Dstl1, Fri Jun-16-23 10:56 AM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1669726645224189958?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
2793891, sounds good and hope it's sincere.
Posted by PROMO, Fri Jun-16-23 11:02 AM
i mean, i'll never be a fan of the guy so it doesn't matter so much to me.

the biggest thing to me is, you're not a gangster, so stop acting like one. it's just completely unnecessary.
2793898, That apology to his sponsors was a nice touch.
Posted by Numba_33, Fri Jun-16-23 11:38 AM
And I'm not being sarcastic or snarky; at least he's being up front and honest about his fear of losing his Nike/Powerade/what ever other sponsorship deals he has or had before these suspensions.

This summer and off-season will be an interesting one for him for sure.
2793901, i thought that too.
Posted by PROMO, Fri Jun-16-23 11:42 AM
2793945, feels like a copy and paste of his last apology
Posted by GOMEZ, Fri Jun-16-23 05:08 PM
it doesn't really mean anything w/o action at this point.

Also reads like it was written by a PR person - which it has to be, i guess. I'd respect a statement more if it was like 'listen, that was dumb as shit, i don't know why i did it, i was just being dumb and need to work some people to get my shit together'. I know that would never happen, but something less honest and less polished.

I'm not really mad at Ja on a personal level or anything, and i'm also not mad at the suspension one way or another. Mostly, I just want him to stop doing dumb shit, so we can go back to focusing on his game, which is really unique and fun to watch.
2793925, This seems reasonable.
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Jun-16-23 02:15 PM
Silver was being quite dramatic about it, honestly. Would it have been an issue during the finals? Probably. But it was already.

Hopefully he takes this seriously. He's way too damn talented to blow it.
2793895, After all the shit Silver was talking, I was expecting "Wrath of God!"
Posted by mrhood75, Fri Jun-16-23 11:27 AM
This is reasonable, but it isn't so bad that its announcement would have disrupted the finals.

And, of course, it puts Morant back on TV by Christmas, which is when most people start paying attention to the NBA.
2793900, I have a feeling
Posted by Numba_33, Fri Jun-16-23 11:40 AM
the league office and the Player's Association brokered a deal behind the scenes to lay down a 'fair' suspension.

Time will tell of course if Morant will actually learn his lesson.
2793907, technically he didn't break any laws, didn't point a gun at anyone...
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jun-16-23 12:24 PM
or have gun in a team facility.

The league could only do so much.
2793923, Right. Plus it DID disrupt the finals, ha.
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Jun-16-23 02:08 PM
2793926, they literally could have said nothing. If asked, the answer could be
Posted by Cenario, Fri Jun-16-23 02:17 PM
the league is wrapping up its investigation and we'll have an announcement in the coming weeks.

AFter the announcement, if they wanna say they didn't wanna distract from the finals, then fine.

Unless there was some other goal in handling this way, i'm often amazed and how poorly organizations handle things publicly.
2793928, 100%. I was truly thinking this would be WAY worse.
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Jun-16-23 02:32 PM
At least 15 games worse.

But 25 games? Cmon. Just pretend like there hasn’t yet been a decision made and keep it moving. It ended up taking on a life of its own because of Silver.
2793929, why? he's just dumb and has dumb friends he's not a criminal...
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jun-16-23 03:00 PM
>At least 15 games worse.
>
>But 25 games? Cmon. Just pretend like there hasn’t yet been
>a decision made and keep it moving. It ended up taking on a
>life of its own because of Silver.
2793930, Only because of what Silver said.
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Jun-16-23 03:13 PM
2793933, legally I don't think Silver could've done more because like I said...
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jun-16-23 03:26 PM
Ja technically didn't commit a crime that's what took the league so long in making a decision and comptemplating the NBAPA pushback Silver was just popping shit.
2793934, Honest question: Does the NBA have one of those "for the good of...
Posted by mrhood75, Fri Jun-16-23 03:36 PM
...the league" clauses in the CB agreement like the NFL? I always just figure that all leagues do, just in case the commissioner can "make an example" out of player or players when he wants to.
2793938, I don’t think so…
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jun-16-23 04:15 PM
>...the league" clauses in the CB agreement like the NFL? I
>always just figure that all leagues do, just in case the
>commissioner can "make an example" out of player or players
>when he wants to.

and like I said Ja technically broke no laws.

Similar is the Udoka thing with Boston they didn’t fire him outright initially just suspended because legally he did nothing wrong
2793943, Probably helps that the NBA's PA is a lot stronger than the NFL's
Posted by mrhood75, Fri Jun-16-23 04:53 PM
In the NFL, Goodell was suspending players for breaking NCAA rules, and met with little resistance since the league neutered the union years ago.

I remember the NBAPA did fight with the league over Malice in the Palace and Stern's self-proclaimed unilateral decisions to suspend everyone, and they ultimately had to back down. But that was players running into the stands and knocking out paying customers, whereas in this case, like you've said, technically nothing illegal happened.
2793949, RE: Probably helps that the NBA's PA is a lot stronger than the NFL's
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jun-16-23 05:38 PM
>In the NFL, Goodell was suspending players for breaking NCAA
>rules, and met with little resistance since the league
>neutered the union years ago.
>
>I remember the NBAPA did fight with the league over Malice in
>the Palace and Stern's self-proclaimed unilateral decisions to
>suspend everyone, and they ultimately had to back down. But
>that was players running into the stands and knocking out
>paying customers, whereas in this case, like you've said,
>technically nothing illegal happened.

Exactly that was a completely different situation, actually assault charges could’ve been filed and I think the guy Artest hit did file a civil case.

Ja just held up a gun on social media not pointing it at or threatening anyone
2793935, players association makes alot of noise but when have they ever
Posted by Cenario, Fri Jun-16-23 04:05 PM
successfully done anything after a suspension? at best, the player might get their money...but they still miss games...which is still a W for the LEague.

has a suspension ever been reduced?
2793937, This is a very unique situation, technically Ja did nothing wrong…
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jun-16-23 04:12 PM
he didn’t shoot anybody, yes holding a firearm on social is a bad look but he didn’t threaten anyone and Tennessee is a open carry state. If he had done the same think in nyc it would’ve been totally different
2794116, What's that got to do with the players association being able to
Posted by Cenario, Tue Jun-20-23 10:32 AM
get his suspension reduced?
2794383, Nah he’s a face of the league
Posted by Cocobrotha2, Tue Jun-27-23 03:38 PM
That extra fame and money comes with extra responsibility and scrutiny.

“Did he break the law?” is fine for the average NFL player that nobody recognizes but Ja out there inviting someone to test him and the NBA is supposed to just sit back and hope nothing happens to the cornerstone of one of their franchises and potentially the league?

Nah that money and fame comes with strings attached.
2793947, 'legally' is kind of a hard word to pin down in this case.
Posted by GOMEZ, Fri Jun-16-23 05:27 PM
like waving the gun in his last video was not illegal. I get that.
However, Ja is turning into a habitual line stepper, so Silver put his foot down. If we were to base his suspension on this latest incident, I don't think there would have been a suspension at all... HOWEVER, Ja had a list of priors the included either video evidence of some illegal shit, or some decent circumstantial evidence of some other illegal shit.

Off the top:
- Drinking and waving a fire arm in a strip club (pretty sure that's illegal even in VIP)
-Scrapping w/a mall employee over some drama w/your mom (we don't really know the specifics, but potential illegalities there)
-Potential assault on someone who you were hooping with at your house, where a gun was involved. (again, not 100% sure there was a crime here)
- Your friends or your people pointing a laser at an opposing teams van. No evidence that it was a gun, but seemed like the message they were sending

I'm no CBA expert, so it's whatevs to me tbh. I want Ja to get back to hooping. 25 games for this incident given his priors seems kinda fair, especially because he made Silver look like a pussy after that last incident.

All I really know is Ja is lucky he doesn't play in the David Stern era. Stern would have murdered his dogs, set one of his cars on fire, and then told Ja he needed to step away to play minor league baseball and 'find his passion' for 6 months. Silver seems to be willing to meet him halfway, at least.
2793950, RE: 'legally' is kind of a hard word to pin down in this case.
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jun-16-23 05:44 PM
>like waving the gun in his last video was not illegal. I get
>that.
>However, Ja is turning into a habitual line stepper, so Silver
>put his foot down. If we were to base his suspension on this
>latest incident, I don't think there would have been a
>suspension at all... HOWEVER, Ja had a list of priors the
>included either video evidence of some illegal shit, or some
>decent circumstantial evidence of some other illegal shit.
>
>Off the top:
>- Drinking and waving a fire arm in a strip club (pretty sure
>that's illegal even in VIP)
>-Scrapping w/a mall employee over some drama w/your mom (we
>don't really know the specifics, but potential illegalities
>there)
>-Potential assault on someone who you were hooping with at
>your house, where a gun was involved. (again, not 100% sure
>there was a crime here)
>- Your friends or your people pointing a laser at an opposing
>teams van. No evidence that it was a gun, but seemed like the
>message they were sending
>
>I'm no CBA expert, so it's whatevs to me tbh. I want Ja to get
>back to hooping. 25 games for this incident given his priors
>seems kinda fair, especially because he made Silver look like
>a pussy after that last incident.
>
>All I really know is Ja is lucky he doesn't play in the David
>Stern era. Stern would have murdered his dogs, set one of his
>cars on fire, and then told Ja he needed to step away to play
>minor league baseball and 'find his passion' for 6 months.
>Silver seems to be willing to meet him halfway, at least.
>

There was only potential legal trouble in the first incident in Denver where the gun laws are different and there were questions about whether or not he took the gun on the team plain.

All that other stuff is speculative and unproven this no charges filed.

Stern couldn’t have done crap either.
2793951, RE: 'legally' is kind of a hard word to pin down in this case.
Posted by GOMEZ, Fri Jun-16-23 06:06 PM

>All that other stuff is speculative and unproven this no
>charges filed.

Exactly why he's looking at a suspension from his job (which may or may not be viable based on the current CBA) and not looking at jail time.

Complaining about officials isn't illegal, but it can get you fined and/or suspended by the NBA.
2793931, Could have been worse, not should have been worse
Posted by mrhood75, Fri Jun-16-23 03:18 PM
Like, I don't think anyone would have been ***surprised*** if the suspension was 40 games. Especially with all the shit that Silver was talking. It might not have been the right thing to do, but envisioning a world where Silver puts the hammer down in hopes of making an example out of Morant wasn't far-fetched.
2793896, Mike Dunleavy, Jr. named Warriors GM
Posted by mrhood75, Fri Jun-16-23 11:34 AM
Not a surprise, considering he's been in the org for years and has been assistant GM since like 22017/2018. They weren't going to bring in someone from outside the organization, it was too early for Livingston, and it's a better choice than one of the Lacob kids.

I will say that overall, I was surprised to find out years ago that Dunleavy Jr. was back in the front office, considering how unspectacular and disappointing his career as a Warrior was. Trading him and Troy Murphy for Jax and Harrington basically turned the season around during the "We Believe!" year. But apparently he's good in this role. Let's see how he does this off-season.
2793909, NBPA unhappy with Ja's suspension. Here we go!
Posted by PROMO, Fri Jun-16-23 12:49 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1669764257813069829/photo/1
2793910, Guess my theory in post 210 was dead wrong.
Posted by Numba_33, Fri Jun-16-23 01:02 PM
Morant and/or his handlers already posted an apology, so I wonder how hard the Player's Association will fight to reduce the suspension since it appears Morant showed some level of contrition.
2793911, Unions gonna union.
Posted by Cenario, Fri Jun-16-23 01:10 PM
2793920, yup, reply 135.
Posted by PROMO, Fri Jun-16-23 01:26 PM
2793913, NGL, I've never heard that NBPA Exec Director's name...
Posted by Dstl1, Fri Jun-16-23 01:11 PM
in my entire life. I legit had to look her up. I guess I was conflating CJ McCollum's president role with being the person who is out front. Feels like Chris Paul used to be out there, a lot.
2793921, There’s always a player president and an executive director who is…
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jun-16-23 01:35 PM
usually an attorney. Previously it was Michelle Roberts. They usually do the main negotiating behind the scenes while the player is out front.
2793922, OOOOKAY! Michelle Roberts' name helps me understand. Thanks
Posted by Dstl1, Fri Jun-16-23 01:39 PM
.
2793940, just like NFLPA exec dir DeMaurice you rarely hear about until...
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jun-16-23 04:44 PM
a labor negotiation or when Jon Gruden made a racial remark about him the president is usually some random player because the stars don't care because of how little power that union has in comparison to the NBAPA
2793927, you really only hear their names when its contract negotiation time
Posted by Cenario, Fri Jun-16-23 02:20 PM
2793936, Expressed his remorse. LMFAO
Posted by Sofian_Hadi, Fri Jun-16-23 04:12 PM
2793972, Reports...Suns and Heat in serious talks with Wiz for Beal
Posted by Dstl1, Sat Jun-17-23 01:09 PM
.
2793998, chris haynes: suns could get beal with chris paul and landry shamet.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Sun Jun-18-23 01:07 PM
https://twitter.com/LegionHoops/status/1670154259625807872

i dont know how credible that is because its haynes lol. its funny hes reporting chris paul trade scenarios after just reporting the suns had already decided to waive him.

that seems like a really low price for someone on a supermax.
2793999, david aldridge is saying chris paul and ayton for beal.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Sun Jun-18-23 01:13 PM
that sounds a lil more realistic but i guess we will see.
2794003, I’m seeing Aston not part of the deal
Posted by ThaTruth, Sun Jun-18-23 03:37 PM
2794002, Woj Bomb: Sources: Suns finalizing trade for Wizards' Bradley Beal
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Sun Jun-18-23 03:35 PM
The Washington Wizards are finalizing a trade to send three-time All-Star guard Bradley Beal to the Phoenix Suns for a package expected to include Chris Paul, Landry Shamet, several second-round picks and picks swap, sources told ESPN on Sunday.

The deal could take a few days for the full framework to be completed, but Beal is on his way to the Suns to form a new Big 3 with Devin Booker and Kevin Durant, sources said.

Beal's agent Mark Bartelstein of Priority Sports confirmed to ESPN that a framework is in place that will land Beal with the Suns.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/37873714/sources-suns-finalizing-trade-wizards-bradley-beal
2794004, Godfather Riley bout to go so fucking hard for Dame
Posted by Dstl1, Sun Jun-18-23 03:38 PM
.
2794007, is it safe to assume
Posted by Johnny, Sun Jun-18-23 04:28 PM
Ayton is gone now?
I would think they would need to trade hum for - a point guard, bench depth and salary relief

4 max contracts on one team seems highly unlikely
2794008, Got to be, right?
Posted by Dstl1, Sun Jun-18-23 04:44 PM
.
2794010, The 5th starter only needs to be a 3&D…
Posted by ThaTruth, Sun Jun-18-23 04:44 PM
>Ayton is gone now?
>I would think they would need to trade hum for - a point
>guard, bench depth and salary relief
>
>4 max contracts on one team seems highly unlikely
2794016, If the Suns do indeed trade for Beal
Posted by Numba_33, Sun Jun-18-23 07:02 PM
they're going to need depth, salary cap relief because of Ayton's contract, and some semblance of draft picks, no?

The Suns gave up four picks for Durant and now they're going to give up two for Beal? That draft pick cupboard is going to be might bare.
2794015, If the Heat get Dame and someone like Azibuikwe from UTAH....
Posted by Castro, Sun Jun-18-23 06:55 PM
sheeeeeit, its gonna be rough in the East
2794013, AND GOT RID OF CHRIS PAUL. Leeeeeeeets go!
Posted by Sofian_Hadi, Sun Jun-18-23 05:37 PM
2794014, looks like haynes redeemed himself. wild times.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Sun Jun-18-23 06:05 PM
2794017, that hot seat for **Frank** Vogel finna be on full blast status
Posted by Numba_33, Sun Jun-18-23 07:05 PM
starting on game one.

**radio edit**

thanks for the correction, Cyren
2794019, Frank Vogel...
Posted by CyrenYoung, Sun Jun-18-23 07:18 PM
..and yes, the Suns will be in "all or nothing" mode if this trade is finalized.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...
2794021, This will blow up in the Suns face big time......
Posted by blueeclipse, Sun Jun-18-23 07:39 PM
What an awful trade for Phoenix. You can say what you want about getting anything for Paul at this point.....but man this has all the makings of a disaster for Phoenix.

They had all that great depth before they threw it all at Durant and now they are trading the one player that really made this all work for Phoenix in Paul. On top of that you fire Monty and bring in a defensive coach in Vogel but then go trade for a guy in Beal who is a terrible defender. Plus Beal's contact is ABSURD. I know Paul kept getting injured but he is one of the few real PG's left in the league and was a huge reason why Phoenix came up the last few years. They needed to maximize a trade with him to bring in really good role players.....a plus defender, a steady PG and some DEPTH.

How in the hell is this supposed to work? They obviously have to move Ayton too. They have 4 max contacts now and no bench to speak of.

That new CBA can't kick in fast enough. This shit is so out of hand.
2794031, yeah I don't get it
Posted by Stadiq, Sun Jun-18-23 11:10 PM

What does Beal do that Booker doesn't do much better at this point?

losing Paul is a W, but I have to wonder if there was a deal out there that would have addressed the Suns actual needs (like depth)


KD, Booker, Beal is not going to be a good fit.
2794043, Most teams 3rd best perimeter defender can’t guard Beal one on one…
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-19-23 08:40 AM
so I guess the plan will be create mismatches for everyone and free rim runs for Ayton and wide open 3’s for the 5 starter
2794111, gonna be hilarious when Denver drops them in 5 games …again
Posted by guru0509, Tue Jun-20-23 09:01 AM
>.
2794009, Yoooo...
Posted by Dstl1, Sun Jun-18-23 04:44 PM
https://twitter.com/DrGuru_/status/1670534262406410241?t=4Nd7DstdM9xdlsNBdj0ERg&s=09
2794022, Damn
Posted by ThaTruth, Sun Jun-18-23 07:45 PM
2794042, They HAD to sign Beal to keep him from leaving 4 nothing then get that?
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-19-23 08:34 AM
2794110, I guess Silver is not even going to address the nepotism…
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jun-20-23 08:23 AM
The Chris Paul to the Lakers trade was vetoed for less
2794117, What is there to address?
Posted by Cenario, Tue Jun-20-23 10:34 AM
The nba owned the Pelicans.
2794018, Wizards have to blow up their roster and tank, right?
Posted by Numba_33, Sun Jun-18-23 07:15 PM
Both Porzingis and Kuzma are up to get re-signed after 23-24; Washington will have to move both guys to retool for picks at this point and tank away, correct? They can't expect to 'contend' if the best player they're getting back in that Beal trade is AARP Chris Paul.
2794020, Man it’s the Wizards, expect anything and nothing
Posted by Beezo, Sun Jun-18-23 07:27 PM
2794023, “contend”?
Posted by ThaTruth, Sun Jun-18-23 07:47 PM
>Both Porzingis and Kuzma are up to get re-signed after 23-24;
>Washington will have to move both guys to retool for picks at
>this point and tank away, correct? They can't expect to
>'contend' if the best player they're getting back in that Beal
>trade is AARP Chris Paul.
2794029, Wiz fan here and I think I speak for most when I say
Posted by Tiger Woods, Sun Jun-18-23 10:13 PM
…this type of seismic move was long overdue
2794032, Fellow Wiz fan here and I concur
Posted by WarriorPoet415, Sun Jun-18-23 11:26 PM
A full tilt rebuild instead of bandaids has been needed for some time.

It would be nice if they kept either Kuz or KP so that we have someone entertaining to watch, but I expect the new front office is gonna do trades for maximum flexibility at this point, cause that’s the only real move left.

Even before this trade, we didn’t have the assets to get a superstar in return, since Beal’s deal included the NTC. So we might as well stockpile some picks and youth/expiring contracts and develop what we have and draft well.

For the record I would have preferred that we traded w/Miami cause at least they had some first rounders to spare, but: Dat ‘nepotism!
______________________________________________________________________________

"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.
2794061, Wiz going all in on a full OKC style reboot taking back expiring...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-19-23 11:09 AM
contracts and draft picks
2794030, what would be the difference?
Posted by Stadiq, Sun Jun-18-23 11:07 PM
2794112, It would serve the Wizard's best interests
Posted by Numba_33, Tue Jun-20-23 09:33 AM
to get the best pieces possible (more than likely expiring contracts and as many draft picks as possible) for Kuzma and Porzingis in the long term since it appears the franchise isn't going to sniff and success in the short term. The draft picks should be of the utmost importance since the Beal trade didn't result in the best return in terms of picks.

In addition, it's entirely possible Kumza and/or Porzingis could be above average complimentary pieces on the right team. Will that team contend as result of them getting added on? I'm not willing to make that wager as I'm not the biggest fan of either dude, but things could get a lot more interesting compared to them languishing on the moribund Wizards.
2794034, I’ll guess that no trade clause is gonna go away on the next CBA
Posted by Ryan M, Mon Jun-19-23 12:32 AM
That aside - I truly don’t think those pieces fit and unless they can trade Ayton for some depth I just don’t see it working at all.
2794039, I agree with every word you said...
Posted by Dstl1, Mon Jun-19-23 07:47 AM
but, one thing is for sure...when it's working, it's gonna be WORKING. Teams will need 3 Tony Allens to defend these cats.
2794053, How are they going to defend anyone
Posted by Tiger Woods, Mon Jun-19-23 10:09 AM
2794056, oh, they aren't. LOL....
Posted by Dstl1, Mon Jun-19-23 10:14 AM
when I say "it" will be working...I only mean that offense.
2794054, people thought that about BK but they could rarely get all 3 guys...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-19-23 10:11 AM
on the court together
2794055, people thought that about BK but they could rarely get all 3 guys...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-19-23 10:13 AM
on the court together for various reasons

>but, one thing is for sure...when it's working, it's gonna be
>WORKING. Teams will need 3 Tony Allens to defend these cats.
2794058, Beal’s fragile , physically and I think mentally
Posted by Tiger Woods, Mon Jun-19-23 10:34 AM
Godspeed to them. They’ll score so many points in January.
2794062, definitely not fragile mentally, being a 3rd option not having to carry...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-19-23 11:15 AM
an entire franchise may help him and overall it may help when one of the big 3 is out they'll still have chance with a big 2
2794052, It doesn’t need to be in the CBA. Teams just need to stop giving them out
Posted by Cold Truth, Mon Jun-19-23 10:01 AM
I agree to the end that owners have a habit of wanting to create rules that exist to save them from their own shitty managerial decisions, so perhaps they try to use this to negotiate a rule prohibiting no trade clauses.

I still have a hard time seeing that actually making it through to the final contract though.
2794059, Yeah I'm holding off until they move Ayton
Posted by khn, Mon Jun-19-23 10:41 AM
Terrible time for them to *have* to do it given the contract and recent performances but you have to think they can get a little depth for him.

Otherwise, as it stands, this could very well be the least formidable "Big 3" style roster that has ever assembled.
2794060, in take it for what's it's worth news: Zion won't be a Pelican by Thursday.
Posted by PROMO, Mon Jun-19-23 10:55 AM
this is per Bill Simmons via a "reliable source."

https://twitter.com/TheMindOfJDubb/status/1670607265374654468
2794067, I just listened to a pod this weekend...
Posted by Dstl1, Mon Jun-19-23 11:34 AM
that said almost the same and speculated a possible Dame and CJ reunion in NOLA.
2794063, Draymond opting for free agency.
Posted by PROMO, Mon Jun-19-23 11:22 AM
https://twitter.com/espn/status/1670827555643879425
2794065, I think GS works out a deal to keep him
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-19-23 11:27 AM
2794066, i think so too.
Posted by PROMO, Mon Jun-19-23 11:33 AM
unless EVERYTHING Dray said was bullshit.

to me the actual question here is if he and GS try to work out some sort of team friendly situation where they can actually go after some quality bench depth.
2794068, taking his talents to Los Angeles
Posted by Dstl1, Mon Jun-19-23 11:44 AM
.
2794069, we'll see, but this had me going:
Posted by PROMO, Mon Jun-19-23 11:46 AM
https://twitter.com/JasmineLWatkins/status/1670830411885449218
2794070, LOL...accurate
Posted by Dstl1, Mon Jun-19-23 12:00 PM
.
2794074, lmao. AD's the dude looking on in the background
Posted by Cold Truth, Mon Jun-19-23 02:11 PM
2794071, Makes sense if he's re-signing for a more team-friendly deal
Posted by mrhood75, Mon Jun-19-23 01:03 PM
Because otherwise, no team is going to give him close to the $27 million per year that he was lined up to make with the Warriors this season.

I'm still fairly confident they bring him back. The only potential hiccup I see is this happening after Myers left, as he and Draymond are VERY close. You'd hope they'd have talked about this before Myets left, and Dunleavy Jr. doesn't try to be make his initial imprint on the team by not re-signing Draymond.

2794072, this would be a bold choice to make the fanbase hate you immediately.
Posted by PROMO, Mon Jun-19-23 01:10 PM
Dunleavy Jr. doesn't try to
>be make his initial imprint on the team by not re-signing
>Draymond.
>
>
2794073, Only way it would work is if he announced some HUGE move first
Posted by mrhood75, Mon Jun-19-23 01:14 PM
And I mean like "We're trading Poole for Giannis" huge.

Otherwise, yeah, it would infuriate the fanbase.
2794064, Cam Payne is probably the happiest guy in all of this he was out...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-19-23 11:22 AM
of the league a few years ago now gets to line of with these guys where he may have to bring the ball up occasionally, play D, and knock down WIDE open 3's lol
2794102, Damn, CP3 found out through his son, not the team, thinks Zeke did it
Posted by Nodima, Mon Jun-19-23 08:50 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/19/sports/basketball/chris-paul-phoenix-suns.html?smid=url-share

Chris Paul was on a plane to New York on Sunday, to promote his new book, when he heard the news in a text from his 14-year-old son, Chris II: He had been traded.

Paul, a 12-time All-Star, is one of the most accomplished point guards in N.B.A. history. He had recently finished his third season with the Phoenix Suns, a run that included a trip to the N.B.A. finals in 2021. There seemed to be greener pastures ahead after the Suns acquired Kevin Durant in February.

But the Suns preliminarily agreed on Sunday to a trade with the Washington Wizards for guard Bradley Beal, a three-time All-Star who will turn 30 next week. Paul, 38, was included in the deal. At the moment, it is unclear where Paul will play next season.

In an interview with The New York Times, Paul repeatedly said that Mat Ishbia, who recently acquired the team, and Isiah Thomas, the Hall of Fame point guard who is close with Ishbia, “wanted to go in a different direction.” In February, Ishbia told reporters that Thomas did not have a role with the team. Representatives for the Suns and Thomas did not respond to a request for comment.


~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz
2794109, Not really a big deal it was known they were moving on from him…
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jun-20-23 07:35 AM
if they couldn’t find a trade partner he would’ve been cut
2794115, kendrick perkins said the suns are the best team in the league
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Tue Jun-20-23 10:07 AM
as 'currently constructed'.

https://twitter.com/JokicWhisperer/status/1670632869138690048


they currently have 4 players under contract.
2794146, BREAKING: talks to send dat Staps headed to Beantown
Posted by Dstl1, Wed Jun-21-23 02:09 PM
If it goes through:
Boston gets Staps

Wiz get Marcus Morris and picks

Clips get Brogdon. Can't believe they giving up on Brog Dawg so quickly. Yo, though...adding Staps and a healthy Gallo?
2794147, That’s big.
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Jun-21-23 02:17 PM
Maybe now people can stop with the foolish notions of trading JB.
2794149, yeah that needs to stop now
Posted by Lach, Wed Jun-21-23 02:27 PM
>Maybe now people can stop with the foolish notions of trading
>JB.

The only thing my Celtics don't have that kinda gives me anxiety is a legit point guard. Smart is a good player, but he's not really a point and it shows a lot in the playoffs.
2794161, It’s weird. I’d get it if they were in the gutter.
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Jun-21-23 05:20 PM
But you’re a perennial ECF squad.

You tinker, you don’t tear that down.
2794150, oh helll yes
Posted by thejerseytornado, Wed Jun-21-23 02:32 PM
let this happen please
-----------
you think we playing chess, but i'm playing mad-making. Basaglia
2794154, Woj say it's about to go down...
Posted by Dstl1, Wed Jun-21-23 04:26 PM
Wiz get Marcus Morris, Amir Coffey and the #30 pick in this year's draft.
2794155, some Celtics fans don't like the trade. I'm like WTF
Posted by Lach, Wed Jun-21-23 04:30 PM
All the Celtics are losing are Brogdon and Gallinari while gaining a big who can score on every level, stretch the floor, and block shots. I'm like how is this a bad deal?
2794157, send the haters this info. maybe it'll help them understand.
Posted by PROMO, Wed Jun-21-23 04:48 PM
https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/status/1671593296211361793
2794163, It'll be a substantial change to the defense when he's on.
Posted by Frank Longo, Wed Jun-21-23 07:52 PM
Because Zingis is definitely way too slow to try to switch or even to hedge. He'll get cooked in space, because he got cooked by injury.

So even though he's clearly very good on offense and a good pure rim protector, I understand why the switchable-offense loyalists might be concerned.

But I agree that, if you're not losing anything of *real* present value to get him, you could do far worse.
2794166, Apparently not lol
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Jun-21-23 09:36 PM
2794148, Knicks Twitter Media have tape of Obi complaining about Thibs
Posted by Castro, Wed Jun-21-23 02:22 PM
I am so sick of these people. Anything so they can talk about a trade.

Too chickenshit to talk about Thibs being replaced because they might not get 'access'.

Then will be all crying when Obi comes back and drops 45 on us in the Garden.
2794177, Given how much the front office empowers Thibs
Posted by Numba_33, Thu Jun-22-23 09:05 AM
and how contrary Toppin is to Thibs' wants and needs as a coach, Toppin should have never been drafted here, especially given how much Randle has been such a focus on the offensive end.

Toppin has his flaws, especially on the defensive end, but I can imagine he will flourish on a team that will play to his strengths as it appears he is better suited on a run and gun faster paced offensive team.

In an ideal world, Toppin will get traded to a cellar dweller team so if and when he puts up points in the Knicks, it will be as result of empty stats as the team he'll be on will suck.

Pretty unfortunate how much the Knicks wasted on that eighth pick since they did so well drafting Mitchell Robinson, Quickley, and Quentin Grimes.
2794271, And now the Knicks signed his younger brother
Posted by Numba_33, Fri Jun-23-23 11:58 AM
to a two-way contract. Kind of a head-scratching move since it makes sense to find Obi Toppin a team where he'll get some decent minutes. I'd be stunned if Thibs actually carves out consistent playing time for Obi Toppin next season.
2794156, per Jake Fisher of Yahoo...Blazers set to make a "compelling"...
Posted by Dstl1, Wed Jun-21-23 04:43 PM
offer to Miami bring Bam to team up with Dame.
2794158, why would Bam do that?
Posted by PROMO, Wed Jun-21-23 04:49 PM
like, i'm not saying it's impossible, but why.
2794159, They better keep that 3rd pick and knock it out of the park
Posted by khn, Wed Jun-21-23 05:01 PM
Love Bam but not as a 2nd option. Unless he's with Jimmy and Spo. But even then, we've seen the limitations.
2794162, Odd target IMO
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Jun-21-23 05:22 PM
Given what they’d have to give up to get Miami to even consider that- let alone do it- I don’t understand the target.

If you add Bam to what they already have, sure. I see it.

But the tradeoff just isn’t there given the likely price tag.
2794164, I don’t see it
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Jun-21-23 08:30 PM
2794167, damn Celtics out here fleecing the league.
Posted by PROMO, Wed Jun-21-23 11:14 PM
if they don't get a ring now its gonna be one of the biggest embarrassments in sports history.

i don't even understand the fleecery (i made it up).

porzingis, tyus jones and first round picks?

how sway?
2794169, Tyus going to the Wizards but still it's a great deal for the Celtics
Posted by Lach, Wed Jun-21-23 11:23 PM
and our fans are still finding a problem with it. I'm like what the hell. This is even better than the original Brogdon deal. KP and 2 first round picks for Smart? Like that's nuts.
2794172, Zingis and two firsts for Smart and Gallo is transparently a good deal.
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Jun-22-23 12:55 AM
2794174, it is a great deal
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Jun-22-23 07:50 AM
but not gonna lie, if I were a Celtics fan of the last decade I wouldn't be so happy about seeing a dude like Smart get shipped for... Dat Zingis with the point guard/tablesetter problems they already had before the trade.

Smart was a true "bleed green" Boston Celtic. it always ends somehow but damn. a lot of people I know that are fans were upset. One was swearing on the Clippers downfall.

Memphis will benefit (on paper) -- considering no Ja for 25 games, Brooks ain't coming back, Clarke still rehabbing ACL..
2794178, This really works for Memphis, because they needed to fill a void
Posted by Castro, Thu Jun-22-23 09:13 AM
Brooks was the 'heart' of the team, for better or worse and now that he is gone, Smart can take up that role and their energy and intensity will level up and he won't take the ball out of Ja or Bane's hands. After all-star break, if they are healthy and Ja hasn't done any other stupid stuff, they are going to be dynamite.
2794180, Agreed. I like this deal way better for Memphis.
Posted by khn, Thu Jun-22-23 09:33 AM
I don't really get 'Zingis in Boston. The fit's weird. And to have to jettison Smart, who is so crucial to so much there... I'm not feeling it for them.

Whereas everything you said about the Memphis side of this is spot-on. Great get for them.
2794181, The draft picks Boston got
Posted by Numba_33, Thu Jun-22-23 09:39 AM
are the most slept on part of that trade IMO, especially when you consider how good the team already is. Getting that many picks in a trade when you are consistently in the Eastern Conference Finals is a damn steal IMO, especially since I'm surprised the Wizards weren't the ones looking to get draft picks in this trade.

I do agree with you in being hesitant on Porzingis meshing well with the Celtics. A large part of me wonders if the Celts will look to keep him beyond next season since he's going to ask for a good chunk of dollars on his next deal. That's going to be interesting as Boston will have to offer Jaylen Brown a decent bag as well, assuming they want to keep him.
2794183, True, but the picks look kinda meh
Posted by khn, Thu Jun-22-23 11:43 AM
#25 this year and a top-4 protected from GS next year. I don't think GS is anywhere near done, so I'm expecting that one to be in the 20's too. There's potential value there, sure, but those picks miss more than they don't.

Let me be clear - on paper, 'Zingis and 2 firsts for Marcus Smart is a crazy haul. But it still feels like what they really got was an injury-prone guy whose never quite put it all together and some speculative value for an essential part of the squad. Iffy at best, to me.
2794175, NGL...the Marcus Smart part HURTS me...
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Jun-22-23 07:56 AM
but, I understand. Ugh.
2794176, exactly they're going to miss him
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Jun-22-23 08:05 AM
2794179, Have to wonder
Posted by Numba_33, Thu Jun-22-23 09:15 AM
what Marcus Smart is going to do with all his green hair dye.
2794184, yeah we'll see him get an ovation next year when he returns
Posted by Lach, Thu Jun-22-23 12:47 PM
while the Celtics go on their way to the 1 seed unless something catastrophic happens.
2794199, I hate it. He’s the heart and soul of the team.
Posted by pretentious username, Thu Jun-22-23 02:39 PM
2794216, Sucks. Can’t imagine him playing in another uniform.
Posted by BNueve, Thu Jun-22-23 07:47 PM
From his foundation and work in the community to always leaving everything he had on the court, he will be missed. Hope it’s worth it. Wish him nothing but the best.
2794168, Khris Middleton opts out.
Posted by PROMO, Wed Jun-21-23 11:19 PM
2794171, should go to Philly
Posted by Castro, Wed Jun-21-23 11:32 PM
2794173, Almost certainly re-signing with Bucks on a more cap-friendly deal.
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Jun-22-23 12:55 AM
2794182, They better come correct for him to be turning down $40M to help them
Posted by cgonz00cc, Thu Jun-22-23 10:43 AM
2794188, There's just no way he bails on this situation.
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Jun-22-23 02:14 PM
He doesn't strike me as a "I want to be the #1 guy on a team" guy. He's 31. He wants to be paid through age 36 or whatever and remain on the team where everyone loves him. That'd be my guess.
2794218, but why not do that for $40M?
Posted by cgonz00cc, Thu Jun-22-23 07:54 PM
unless they have some cap sorcery lined up to repay the solid he's doing them?
2794185, I don't see how the Bucks give him a new deal for $45+ a year
Posted by Lach, Thu Jun-22-23 12:54 PM
Honestly don't see how anyone signs him for that kind of figure with the new CBA aprons looming.
2794187, Shams: CP3 to Golden State, Jordan Poole to Washington.
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Jun-22-23 02:13 PM
Warriors send Poole, a protected first in 2030, and a second rounder in 2027 to Washington in exchange for CP3.

Big trade!
2794189, LOL..WHAT?!?!?!?!??
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Jun-22-23 02:18 PM
.
2794190, someone in here said CP3 would never be 2nd fiddle to Steph.
Posted by PROMO, Thu Jun-22-23 02:18 PM
not sure how in the hell this helps the Dubs. old ass broken CP3?

happy for Poole though. he needed to get away from the Warriors for his own mental health.

and he can gun til his heart is content in Washington.

curious now how the Draymond chip falls. Poole not being there i assume gives the Dubs some money (i'm not a cap guy, could be wrong) to spend and not even sure they'd keep Paul around.

BUT, even though Draymond and Poole had an odd relationship after the punch, the Warriors just got worse so would Draymond wanna hang around for "worse?"
2794198, I didn't think so...
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Jun-22-23 02:37 PM
>not sure how in the hell this helps the Dubs. old ass broken
>CP3?
>
>happy for Poole though. he needed to get away from the
>Warriors for his own mental health.
>
>and he can gun til his heart is content in Washington.
>
>curious now how the Draymond chip falls. Poole not being there
>i assume gives the Dubs some money (i'm not a cap guy, could
>be wrong) to spend and not even sure they'd keep Paul around.
>
>BUT, even though Draymond and Poole had an odd relationship
>after the punch, the Warriors just got worse so would Draymond
>wanna hang around for "worse?"

I would think they got rid of Poole to keep Dray but who knows
2794191, Like I said above, makes sense to me
Posted by Nodima, Thu Jun-22-23 02:21 PM
He won’t have to play much in the regular season, best case scenario, but he’s also going to be a huge upgrade in practice when it comes to the one thing everyone always complains about them - ball control.

I dig it.

~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz
2794197, not for the Wizards, they traded Beal's contract for Poole's?
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Jun-22-23 02:34 PM
2794201, I think if Poole shows maturity and consistency as a top dog
Posted by Nodima, Thu Jun-22-23 02:49 PM
He’s got great long term value for them. I also think they recognize they’re not ever gonna actually get to use that “cap space”, we’ve seen plenty of mid market teams pretend their cap space has real value only to get left holding the bag.

So having Poole’s money helps in any potential trade scenario down the line as well.

~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz
2794192, I'll leave it to other folks to crack jokes about the CP3 aspect of the trade
Posted by Numba_33, Thu Jun-22-23 02:23 PM
From Washington's perspective, at least they'll be getting draft picks, but it doesn't make sense why they'd want to pick up Poole's enormous contract. It'll be interesting if Golden State will be a middling team by the time those picks will convey for Washington.

If this trade goes down, Washington will have Tyus Jones and Poole in their backcourt; not exactly top tier talent, but decent enough to where Washington shouldn't in theory tank. I'm guessing the new ownership in Washington doesn't want to waive the proverbial white flag. Yet.

Wonder what'll happen to Kuzma.
2794193, Let's be clear: I love Tyus Jones...
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Jun-22-23 02:24 PM
... but if you're starting Tyus Jones and Jordan Poole next season, you are 100% tanking, lol.
2794202, agreed lol...
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Jun-22-23 02:50 PM
>... but if you're starting Tyus Jones and Jordan Poole next
>season, you are 100% tanking, lol.
2794195, didn't Kuz opt out?
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Jun-22-23 02:31 PM
>From Washington's perspective, at least they'll be getting
>draft picks, but it doesn't make sense why they'd want to pick
>up Poole's enormous contract. It'll be interesting if Golden
>State will be a middling team by the time those picks will
>convey for Washington.
>
>If this trade goes down, Washington will have Tyus Jones and
>Poole in their backcourt; not exactly top tier talent, but
>decent enough to where Washington shouldn't in theory tank.
>I'm guessing the new ownership in Washington doesn't want to
>waive the proverbial white flag. Yet.
>
>Wonder what'll happen to Kuzma.
2794200, twitter sources saying Kuz to the Dubs.
Posted by PROMO, Thu Jun-22-23 02:49 PM
and the Dubs will restructure CP3 with his agreement.

i mean, i could see it but we'll see.
2794204, Sign Kuzma and then flip him and CP3 for Giannis!
Posted by mrhood75, Thu Jun-22-23 03:27 PM
I can dream.

I'd be okay with Kuzma though.
2794194, and now my Nino Brown moment. I have to root against CP3
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Jun-22-23 02:26 PM
I like this for Washington, and for Poole

He will be getting paid in a no-pressure environment where he can handle the ball more. it's still a better deal than what they were getting from Beal plus they have draft capital.

for CP3

sure, it'll fit
but now you got my dude playing with Donkeylips, Binky and PBS Logo face
I wanted him to get a ring, NO WAY NOW.

This is Randy Moss on the Cheatriots status for me
2794196, i cant believe that shit really happened lol.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Thu Jun-22-23 02:33 PM
at least they got rid of poole tho.

i can watch the games this season.
2794203, Yean, I don't like it.
Posted by mrhood75, Thu Jun-22-23 03:21 PM
So, with the understanding that we're in "WIN NOW!" mode , we trade a young but flawed player for a guy who consistently breaks down or disappears every April. Even if we're sitting him for a chunk of the regular season, trading Poole, who plays every night, and draft pucks for a guy we won't be able to play too often before the play-offs (essentially a better version of Iggy with more gas in his tank) is weird.

Only way I could justify it is if we're saying he's only contract for this season, as opposed to four more with Poole. But, hey, we're trying to win now.

It also pains me that this is the first player that we've signed or traded for that I actively dislike. I guess he's our little nut-punching bitch now.
2794206, CP3's easily moveable this offseason, fwiw.
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Jun-22-23 03:37 PM
Like, if it doesn't work out, he's an expiring deal-- and, if I recall correctly, it's not even a fully guaranteed deal. Expiring deals are easy to trade, and even if you can't, you can just cut him at that point.

I think the Poole contract held a lot more long term problems for the Warriors unless you genuinely think he's a future All-Star (I... do not). It's worth trading a top 20 protected pick in 2030 and a 2027 second rounder to get off that deal and take a stab with a regular-season-rested CP3, imo.
2794205, LOL!
Posted by CyrenYoung, Thu Jun-22-23 03:30 PM

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...
2794207, GS getting the Poole contract off their books is an unqualified win.
Posted by khn, Thu Jun-22-23 03:37 PM
Washington makes a lot of sense for him as a team that can warehouse his contract while they figure out whatever it is they mean to do. And he can jack and pad his way back to respectability in the meantime.

Old Man CP3 as the ultimate backup PG who takes care of the fucking basketball (novel concept for them) makes a lot of sense. I'm sure the usual playoff maladies will strike but this is clearly a great short-term upgrade for a team that is only about the short-term.
2794211, Agreed with all this.
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Jun-22-23 04:47 PM
2794212, plus its pretty clear the vets wanted poole gone.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Thu Jun-22-23 04:57 PM



2794219, who cares what their vets want?
Posted by cgonz00cc, Thu Jun-22-23 08:01 PM
thats how good teams turn into the 94 Celtics
2794272, Even Steph ain’t want that mf around by the end of the season
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Fri Jun-23-23 11:58 AM
2794290, bro said who cares like steph dont run the bay.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Fri Jun-23-23 02:18 PM
good luck ignoring the wishes of the man that made the warriors the most valuable nba franchise in history.
2794314, letting him dictate FO moves as he enters his mid 30s...
Posted by cgonz00cc, Sat Jun-24-23 10:50 AM
isnt the way to keep that going
2794315, clearly it is lol.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Sat Jun-24-23 01:38 PM
2794317, They knew the Poole contract was a mistake when they signed it…
Posted by ThaTruth, Sat Jun-24-23 05:03 PM
they just did it to pacify him after the Draymond incident and as the season played out it was obvious why Draymond punched him lol
2794365, ^^^
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon Jun-26-23 11:02 PM
2794318, so what would you have them do here?
Posted by PROMO, Sat Jun-24-23 10:03 PM
since you seem to think letting Poole go is some kind of mistake.
2794322, right. bro is acting like they traded away kevon looney.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Sun Jun-25-23 08:18 AM
riding for jordan poole after his playoff performance for the whole world to see is a weird hill to die on.

do you know how much of a dickhead you have to be for *steph* to lose his cool with you?

it says a lot that by the end of the season like 99% of the nba audience was like 'i see why draymond punched him'.
2794327, right. i'm by no means saying Poole is untalented.
Posted by PROMO, Sun Jun-25-23 05:19 PM
and, like him or not he gets you 20ppg off the bench there's not a TON of those guys around. so, sure, there's some "risk" in that move.

but, the whole Draymond thing, which to be fair the Dubs fucked up by not suspending Draymond (and this is coming from a huge Draymond fan)...like his mental just isn't gonna be right in that situation. and like you said, when that went down A LOT a of people were like "nah Dray went too far" but then by the end of the year people were like "well......"

lastly, they overpaid Poole and now they get to move off that mistake and do something else.
2794321, he is the greatest player they will ever have. you appease him
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sat Jun-24-23 11:18 PM
2794293, I hardly watched the Warriors
Posted by Numba_33, Fri Jun-23-23 02:35 PM
last season and I can think of two instances of Steph outwardly showing his disdain for Poole

1) There was an instance of Poole taking an ill advised shot and Steph getting so salty he tossed his mouthpiece towards front row and got T'ed up by a ref.

2) There's a photo floating around of Steph ice grilling Poole from the bench.

What are some other instances of Steph overtly showing his disdain for Poole?

Have to assume things were worse behind the scenes if Steph couldn't contain his disgust from cameras/fans.
2794295, there were more instances like example #1.
Posted by PROMO, Fri Jun-23-23 02:58 PM
just minus the throwing of the mouthpiece.

like Steph throwing his arms in the air in frustration type stuff.

2794323, and dont forget steph giving that speech before game 7 in sacramento
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Sun Jun-25-23 08:22 AM
when he called out dudes bitching about playing time and not being all in (poole and kuminga).

only for poole and kuminga to do interviews passive aggressively bitching about playing time after that before/during the lakers series.
2794294, I hardly watched the Warriors
Posted by Numba_33, Fri Jun-23-23 02:35 PM
last season and I can think of two instances of Steph outwardly showing his disdain for Poole

1) There was an instance of Poole taking an ill advised shot and Steph getting so salty he tossed his mouthpiece towards front row and got T'ed up by a ref.

2) There's a photo floating around of Steph ice grilling Poole from the bench.

What are some other instances of Steph overtly showing his disdain for Poole?

Have to assume things were worse behind the scenes if Steph couldn't contain his disgust from cameras/fans.
2794298, RE: GS getting the Poole contract off their books is an unqualified win.
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jun-23-23 03:10 PM
Agreed on Poole, his head got kinda big and he flamed out in the playoffs. Here he doesnt have to worry about the playoffs or any attention at all really. He can gun like World B Free if he feels like it and he'll at least put up the empty numbers to keep getting paid in an almost-worst-case scenario.

For the Dubs, man, I don't know, I am very skeptical of Paul's ability to impact their situation favorably. To me I see it's a one-year commitment at most, next year of his deal isn't guaranteed I don't think. Maybe they know what they are doing but this seems more like a cap dump that they can dress up to make it look like a basketball move.
2794301, He ain't winning 6MOY, but I think he can contribute in this sort of role.
Posted by khn, Fri Jun-23-23 03:34 PM
IDK, provide something along the lines of what Livingston did - spell the starters, run the offense, hit some jumpers. Obviously a lesser version of that, though, as Livingston was pretty great there (and obviously the team was much more than what they are now). Anything beyond that is either asking or promising far too much.

So yeah, salary dump with some on-court value. The Poole thing was completely untenable by the end of the year. Had they not been able to work out something like this they probably should have just cut him outright. And I'm on Poole's side, really - had I been in his shoes, bag or not, I'd be bringing a mentality somewhere between "I don't give a single fuck" and "active sabotage". Nice work, Dray!
2794269, This is stupid. Paul killed the Suns by slowing them to a slog.
Posted by Sofian_Hadi, Fri Jun-23-23 11:36 AM
Why would the Warriors add a player that dribbles about ten seconds off the shot clock before he finally decides to get started?
2794270, he's definitely not going to do that there, he didn't do it in Houston...
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jun-23-23 11:48 AM
because Harden had the ball

>Why would the Warriors add a player that dribbles about ten
>seconds off the shot clock before he finally decides to get
>started?
2794299, it's a concern but not quite that big
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jun-23-23 03:13 PM
we saw CP3 in D'Antoni's system, it wasnt the worst fit. They had Harden there and they have Steph here. The problem in PHX, in some part, was that they didn't invest in a *good* backup PG, which seems like the first thing you do when you get post-Clippers CP3.
2794310, Yeah but he's 38 now and even more injury prone.
Posted by Sofian_Hadi, Fri Jun-23-23 08:27 PM
Adding Rocket's Years Chris Paul would be a genius move, but Paul of the last couple years....i just dont get it.
2794283, I've been slowly warming to this
Posted by mrhood75, Fri Jun-23-23 01:24 PM
It can work if he plays like 15-20 a game, and is in charge of the second unit. His presence out there with the "B-team" will help the continued development of Kuminga and Moody. Then maybe have him out there as part of a modified "death line-up" during close game? I can see it.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around cheering for my second (or maybe third) least favorite player in the league.
2794300, CP3's first practice:
Posted by Castro, Fri Jun-23-23 03:28 PM
Draymond: (after CP3 doesn't dive for a loose ball): I know you an OG, but you gonna have show some HUSTLE, short timer.

CP3: (after walking slowly to pick up the ball and walking back over to Draymond) " I know who you are and I know what you want. And I have a very particular skill......" (punches Draymond in the nuts)
2794297, Lot of chatter, let's call it what it is, a salary dump
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jun-23-23 03:08 PM
CP3's name recognition allows them to sell this as a move that brings in a veteran third guard to maximize the Splash Brothers' final years but in reality they dumped Poole's contract here, period. Paul is 86 years old, he didn't have a good or healthy season last year and while he's risen from the dead before even Jesus only did it once. He's through and even if he's mostly there physically he is a shitty fit for the Dubs' style of play unless they want stark contrast between their starters and bench (which they don't).

This gets them under the second apron and gives them long-term flexibility. They have invested a lot and it paid off, that title two years ago was quite an addition to the value and legacy of the franchise, but they appear to be moving in another direction. Trading Wiseman and now Poole, potentially parting ways with Green, Myers leaving, etc. The writing is on the wall, they'll sell the place out with Steph and do OK while cutting costs and reloading for the next move. There won't be any seamless build because two of the three main components of that are already gone with Poole and Wiseman.
2794313, Great trade for the dubs because Jordan wasn't listening to Steph
Posted by Kira, Sat Jun-24-23 10:32 AM
He bought into his own hype, thought he was better than what he was, and wouldn't listen to Dray and Steph, it's on video.

Mike Dunleavy Jr damn sure wasn't choosing Dray or Poole. One of them had to go and they made the best choice they could make.
2794281, I used to attend a few Wizards games yearly…
Posted by Beezo, Fri Jun-23-23 01:02 PM
They couldn’t pay me to watch that shit now.
2794296, I see the phrase "widely reported" is another that's lost all meaning
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jun-23-23 03:03 PM
Honestly Harden's return, to me, is not the defining factor in Philly's competitiveness although it's a significant one. Returning last year's group won't get it done with just a coaching change. The broader approach and moves they make to better tailor the team around Joel are what will make the biggest difference, I think.

Philly and Portland are two teams in different situations that I think could mobilize and really impact the trade market and player movement overall.

Others that seem *certain* to do are in a couple groups. Washington, Golden State and Boston have already been very active. I guess dating back to the deadline we have to throw PHX in there too. And none of those teams are done shaking shit up. Then you have teams like the Clippers that are also keen to make major transactions, the usual group of contenders looking to add a piece and of course the free-agent ambitions of teams like Sacramento on the top end and Houston near the bottom. This could set a record for most transactions in a summer maybe, I think the biggest names will stay put (including PG) but overall volume and second/mid-tier moves will be insane.
2794304, Man, listen, in Knicks Twitter, widely reported could mean the
Posted by Castro, Fri Jun-23-23 03:54 PM
toll taker at the Lincoln Tunnel heard a conversation stating that Leon Rose was in Ukraine vacationing with Jaylen Brown's cousin....and thus the Celtics are going to trade Jaylen Brown for RJ, D-Rose and two second round picks..... I am beyond sick of this shit.
2794334, Mark Stein says Mavs/Hawks were discussing a deal before...
Posted by Dstl1, Mon Jun-26-23 08:51 AM
the draft that would have had them swapping first round picks (10 for 15) and Capela going to Dallas. Mavs ultimately backed out because Atlanta also wanted Josh Green. So...Capela can be had, I guess.
2794336, Cam Johnson's pockets are about to be SUPER straight
Posted by Rjcc, Mon Jun-26-23 08:55 AM
the pistons definitely want him, and I think a lot of other teams do too

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
2794339, surprised Brooklyn would let him go
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-26-23 10:02 AM
2794340, they might not, Windhorst said they're prepared to match up to like
Posted by Rjcc, Mon Jun-26-23 10:47 AM
4 years / 100


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
2794343, Atlanta sending John Collins to Utah for Rudy Gay and a future 2nd...
Posted by Dstl1, Mon Jun-26-23 12:52 PM
tough.
2794346, with the looming new CBA, expect to see way more salary dumps...
Posted by PROMO, Mon Jun-26-23 01:03 PM
like this.

good players getting moved for little in return.

2794348, Id retire
Posted by MEAT, Mon Jun-26-23 02:00 PM
From Atlanta to SLC. Id just retire.
2794349, YOU go live in Utah! (c)Derek Harper
Posted by Dstl1, Mon Jun-26-23 02:24 PM
.
2794357, Two Americas © Bomani Jones
Posted by obsidianchrysalis, Mon Jun-26-23 06:04 PM
2794358, lol Vegas and LA are short cheap flights plus he’s a military brat…
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-26-23 07:00 PM
he’s used to moving around
2794361, SLC is fun. And Vegas is close.
Posted by Castro, Mon Jun-26-23 07:59 PM
2794362, Fun for whom
Posted by MEAT, Mon Jun-26-23 09:07 PM
2794370, yeah i hear people say that shit all the time and i don't believe it
Posted by Cenario, Tue Jun-27-23 10:00 AM
never been, but still...its fucking utah
2794374, I think it was Charles who said 'everywhere is nice if you're rich'
Posted by GOMEZ, Tue Jun-27-23 11:11 AM
2794378, the only thing worth seeing in Utah are the national parks. stunning
Posted by guru0509, Tue Jun-27-23 01:30 PM
>never been, but still...its fucking utah

theyre amazing, and I'm not raelly an outdoorsy/hiking/camping kinda guy but it was an experience i wont forget

Arches
Bryce Canyon
Zion
Capital Reef
and Canyon Lands


It's amazing how fucking huge western states are, and the various types of environments/terrain in this country...felt like a star wars set at times, on those foreign planets with the rock formations...

but once that was over I was ready to get the fuck back to NYC , Salt Lake City is terrible
2794379, lol, it's not a complete shithole or anything but...
Posted by Kungset, Tue Jun-27-23 01:58 PM
i definitely wouldn't call it fun. i spent a couple nights there between taking the train from Oakland to Denver. didn't have the worst time but i got zero reason to go back. if i go to Utah again i'm sticking to camping/hiking
2794380, Media trying to force Dame out of Portland bc they got nothing else...
Posted by RandomFact, Tue Jun-27-23 02:56 PM
to talk about in the summer.

As a new PNW resident, I understand why he doesn't want to leave. It's pretty great here. Nice people. Beautiful, calm/serene scenery. Great food. And more than enough to do off the court to keep you occupied, especially if you're a family guy like him not concerned with being in the media spotlight. He also stated multiple times that he wants to raise his family here. Dude just like the PDX area.

Leave the guy alone and let him live his life. He's done nothing wrong and if anything should be commended on not being a superteam jumping whimp. His loyalty and love for the city he was drafted into should be championed instead of criticized.

Plus, Blazers fans >>> Heat "fans." People actually care about their team here. They deserve a good team with a great player.

2794381, this is all of dames making.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Tue Jun-27-23 03:14 PM
the media aint doing anything but taking everything dame says seriously even when hes blatantly contradicting himself.

dude wants to stay in portland but hes literally listing teams he wants to go to and constantly bitching about playing with his young teammates?

that nigga wants to bounce to a team with real championship potenial.

he just doesnt wanna look like the bad guy because of it.

he wants to have his cake and eat it too. like signing that long term supermax deal with a team he knew wouldnt be a championship competitor when he could have left to a better franchise.

dude doesnt wanna look greedy for putting money over winning. and he doesnt wanna look like an asshole for putting winning over loyalty to the area/franchise. its one of the most schizophrenic tight rope acts ive ever seen an athlete try to pull on everyone. and i think most nba fans are just tired of it at this point.





2794384, I’m missing the concrete reporting stating that he bitched about stuff
Posted by RandomFact, Tue Jun-27-23 04:21 PM
Like, I’m not sure I’ve ever heard him say anything out of pocket regarding the situation. Saying that he wants to compete in Portland with a good team around him is pretty benign.

But yeah, it’s fairly easy for a Bleacher Report blogger to say some shit based off of hearsay and for others to take the bait.
2794593, well?
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Sat Jul-01-23 01:45 PM
2794382, agreed its funny now how they make it "bad" for a player to want to...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jun-27-23 03:16 PM
spend his entire career in one place and not ring chase
2794385, no nuanced takes either. all these meatheads are saying the same shit
Posted by RandomFact, Tue Jun-27-23 05:37 PM
thinking they know whats best for dame the human being.

dude should be praised. goes to show how toxic the media environment has become.
2794390, everybody wants to be a fantasy team GM, since Bron & KD…
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jun-27-23 10:07 PM
made it ok to team hop and ring chase now every star is expected to do the same
2794589, L
Posted by Sofian_Hadi, Sat Jul-01-23 01:38 PM
2794594, Big 3 on CBS…
Posted by ThaTruth, Sat Jul-01-23 01:46 PM
pretty competitive….

I thought is interesting in a podcast Icecube spoke on how the NBA tries to block them from networks and sponsors
2794687, Some fans think it's silly but I'd trade Jaylen Brown for Dame
Posted by Lach, Tue Jul-04-23 03:36 PM
Add in Grant Williams, Payton Pritchard to make the money work. I'd rather go these next 3 years with Dame driving, dishing, and playing a 2 man game with Tatum/KP than see Jaylen out there.
2794688, upgrade not a downgrade. idc if Jaylen younger or whatever...
Posted by PROMO, Tue Jul-04-23 03:46 PM
anyone could say.

Dame do got that dawg in him, and he can actually dribble the ball, two things Jaylen is lacking that are kind of important to winning.

i'd do that move in a heartbeat.

defense may be a struggle, but w/ the rules the way there and the offensive skills of todays NBA talent, defense is always gonna be a struggle no matter who you are.
2794690, Is that offer on the table or we just being fantasy GM?
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jul-04-23 05:15 PM
2794740, It's been rumored the Celtics had interest
Posted by Lach, Thu Jul-06-23 06:00 PM
Not sure exactly what it means but hey
2794707, would you swap him for Dejounte though?
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Jul-05-23 02:44 PM
2794689, Orlando: “Bye bye, Bol Bol.”
Posted by Frank Longo, Tue Jul-04-23 03:56 PM
Waived him today.
2794693, Its amazing to me. With Wemby going #1, Bol is going to be motivated
Posted by Castro, Wed Jul-05-23 06:41 AM
Hope he goes where he can play. Portland, Miami, Philly, Dallas would all be great landing spots for him.
2794700, Bro he’s ass. He should head to Peru right now.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Wed Jul-05-23 01:11 PM
2794706, People here have been trying to make the Wemby comparison forever…
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Jul-05-23 02:13 PM
outside of similar measurables they are obviously completely different players skill wise
2794708, Oh they have the same skills. One is just far more skilled at ‘em lol
Posted by Nodima, Wed Jul-05-23 02:53 PM

~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz
2794694, i love Bol Bol. been high on him forever.
Posted by PROMO, Wed Jul-05-23 08:17 AM
i feel like he's shown enough that i'm always surprised to see these teams bail on him.

2794699, ... I mean, Orlando was better with him off the floor.
Posted by Frank Longo, Wed Jul-05-23 11:50 AM
The On/Off numbers have always been damning for Bol, especially offensively. Defensively for the Magic he made the team *slightly* better with his length and the amount of space he can take up... but offensively, both the Nuggets and the Magic are clearly by the numbers notably better when he's off the court.

Why is that? Is it his insanely low assist rate, one of the lowest in the NBA for any player facing the basket? Is it his propensity to take off-the-bounce 3s that he only sinks at a sub-30% rate? Is it the fact that he mostly stands around watching unless the ball is actively in his hands? Who's to say? But he's never once even resembled a long term net positive impact player on offense in the NBA to date.

And people will say "but he showed flashes!" and that's true... but it's always been true. He was never consistent in high school. Obviously he barely played in college, but as someone who watched several of those games, his engagement level when he wasn't on-ball was low. At a certain point, you'd think "flashes" would turn into one season of consistent net positive value.

He's still young, so there's still time for him to turn it around... but as someone who's always been low on Bol, when I see Orlando, a team that *needs* young assets, just straight up bail on him? I think that's telling. Teams don't need big guys who can make the occasional sweet-looking on-ball offensive shot creation or the occasional monster weak-side rejection. They need guys who know how to play team basketball. And at least to date, that just hasn't been Bol.
2794695, Lakers should take a flier
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Jul-05-23 09:01 AM
.
2794701, Mo Bamba taught you nothing huh?
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Wed Jul-05-23 01:12 PM
2794747, I had high hopes for him, at least he had a cool rap song lol
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jul-07-23 09:59 AM
2794702, Yuck
Posted by Ryan M, Wed Jul-05-23 01:32 PM
2794697, Magic gave him 20mpg then waived him. I think we know how this ends.
Posted by khn, Wed Jul-05-23 10:14 AM
I don't really count the Denver stint - Malone is historically very averse to playing younger guys - but him not sticking in *Orlando* is pretty damning.
2794698, People don't realize how much his minutes dwindled down the stretch.
Posted by Frank Longo, Wed Jul-05-23 11:35 AM
They could've picked up his second year for 2.2 million and tried to deal him for a second round pick or something. But no. Just straight up cut him.

Meanwhile, they picked up Goga Bitadze's option for around 2 million-- and signed Moe Wagner for nearly 8 million a year.

Like... yeah. Combine that with the fact that he played closer to only 13 MPG down the stretch on a young team that should be interested in keeping young talent with potential... and combine it with the fact that the On/Off numbers are *not* forgiving when it comes to Bol... yeah.
2794765, Big Mo took a major step the last 2 years
Posted by cgonz00cc, Fri Jul-07-23 08:40 PM
career high efficiency across the board with career high usage
2794783, I think the issue is similar to the 'running quarterback'
Posted by Castro, Sat Jul-08-23 06:10 AM
Because I suspect if you look at the careers of a Brad Sellers, Tellis Frank, and to a lesser extent, Ralph Samson these were guys who were oversized tweeners...they were supposed to be 4s or 5s but had the tools to be wings but no one wanted to develop that for them, so they seemed to underachieve. As lax as Bol may have seemed at times, i think that is the hang up for him...you have a certain skillset and you are stuck trying to shoehorn it into the systems you play in.

Wemby is really the Ralph Samson remix. He has learned basketball in a way that gives him a wings game, but on defense he is going to be expected to dominate the boards and shut down the paint. No matter how athletic, this idea he is going to be like wing defender can't see it. On offense he is clearly not a back to the basket player either.
2794812, the issue is that he isnt good
Posted by cgonz00cc, Sat Jul-08-23 08:00 PM
2794827, You can't blame systems for Bol's shortcomings, though.
Posted by Frank Longo, Sun Jul-09-23 04:03 PM
>As lax as Bol may have seemed at times, i think
>that is the hang up for him...you have a certain skillset and
>you are stuck trying to shoehorn it into the systems you play
>in.

He's played in multiple systems now. And when given the chance to be an on-ball player, he's repeatedly shown himself to be both a ball stopper and an inefficient off-the-bounce shooter.

So why would a coach tailor a system to give this player *more* in-game reps at something he's shown over the last 4-5 years of his career to be inefficient at? Especially when his most efficient skills to date-- putback opportunities and catch-and-shoot 3s-- come off the ball?

But then when he's taken off-ball, he's consistently shown he just doesn't really care, doesn't really engage (on either end when off-ball, really). So if you're bad on-ball and disengaged off-ball...

... then why would people pay him?

Like, he's a young player, and maybe a coach can reach him one of these days, but... he's had a few good opportunities (especially in Orlando) and repeatedly not been able to earn consistent minutes because his play is net negative at this point.

I also, fwiw, don't think these problems align with Wemby, because Wemby is a good off-ball player and a decent passer. I also think defensively he will be fine in a way that Bol hasn't consistently, largely because Wemby's awareness and engagement are consistently higher.
2794705, I'm rooting for him, but you're not wrong
Posted by GOMEZ, Wed Jul-05-23 02:00 PM
I watched him play w/the Magic last year and never felt like he was actually a plus on the floor. He does some interesting things, but he's far from being a contributor. Similar to how I felt about Wiseman at the end of his GS run, and then in Detroit.
2794709, I'm happy with what the Cavs have done.
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Jul-05-23 04:15 PM
fuck what you heard, the Cavs lost that Knicks series because the lack of shooting around their core players (not to mention the abysmal shooting of the team in general: 5/27 from WIDE OPEN 3) made the whole team BBQ Chicken against a Thibs-coached Knicks team where everyone knows their roles.

Miami didn't have that problem, because they had a better shooting situation (and a better coach).

So the Cavs said "fuck it, we're talking one of their guys" in Max Strus.

Then took Georges Niang from Philly.

Resigned LeVert for 2y/32M (that was the first news to drop and I was ECSTATIC).

Added Damian Jones, late of the Jazz, who wasn't my radar but will be infinitely more playable in the scant minutes he'll be needed than RoLo.

Then nabbed Ty Jerome, a casualty of Golden State's tax apron Hell. More shooting for cheap from a taller guard who might add some cushion to whatever happens with Rubio.

They didn't spend all their exceptions and may just be about $3M away from the luxury tax.

Contracts are lined up with the Donovan/Mobley extension decisions. Another bonus.

One more small contract could be added.
Since Torrey Craig (a South Carolina man) was nabbed by the BULLS...

i'm hoping Cavs can steal Trendon Watford who was waived by Portland (likely to make room for that Grant deal). rather him and his skills over Dean Wade, and would be an upgrade over the recently departed Lamar Stevens in a similar role.

Strus, Niang, and Jerome were guys who pissed me off BECAUSE of their shooting on their previous teams as opponents. Now they're on the Cavs.

An opportunity for the main guys to get better.
2794830, i need my guy Caris to stay healthy
Posted by cgonz00cc, Sun Jul-09-23 07:46 PM
2795015, Yeah, last year was one of his healthiest seasons
Posted by Dr Claw, Sat Jul-15-23 09:40 AM
and once he settled into 6-man role things were much better for him.
2794761, damn jordan poole looks like hes aged 10 years in 2 months.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Fri Jul-07-23 05:52 PM
https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/358071569_1084061095902689_6477749826580275609_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_e35&_nc_ht=scontent.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=105&_nc_ohc=bY1IL_MuW2wAX_w1yuq&edm=APs17CUBAAAA&ccb=7-5&ig_cache_key=MzE0MTkyMDczNjMxOTA4MDIzMA%3D%3D.2-ccb7-5&oh=00_AfD6Rl7oZTix-jSbx5dJlPalpv5xokm7Jrvm0Gh6Mv6Qug&oe=64AE8399&_nc_sid=10d13b

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/358762052_291235690056529_2622145813578789450_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_e35&_nc_ht=scontent.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=101&_nc_ohc=P7qJ9VyTEgEAX_6OA4I&edm=APs17CUBAAAA&ccb=7-5&ig_cache_key=MzE0MTkyMDczNjM0NDA1MDkzMw%3D%3D.2-ccb7-5&oh=00_AfDqxa1ftn8WIsTOStzDc2rXn_AQ8SlFB4dz0uUSuzGAww&oe=64AD620F&_nc_sid=10d13b
2794764, its the chops 😂
Posted by cgonz00cc, Fri Jul-07-23 08:15 PM
2794780, bro looks stressed and depressed.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Sat Jul-08-23 12:09 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0edl8qWcAAqGf-?format=jpg&name=medium
2794809, In-season tourney details announced...
Posted by Dstl1, Sat Jul-08-23 07:21 PM
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/37981050/nba-officially-unveils-format-groups-new-season-tournament
2794810, I'm a bit confused about how to feel about this
Posted by obsidianchrysalis, Sat Jul-08-23 07:40 PM
Like, even more than the Play-in, this is completely new and uncharted for the NBA. And the league seems to expect this too.

I kind of think they should have leveraged rivalries or tradition more to give fans a direction of how to react - naming the cup after Stern or another icon, including historical rivals in "pods", etc.

The buzz and excitement likely won't be as fierce as it was for the Play-in. Maybe Silver strategically rolled out the Play-in as a beta test to gauge fans' acceptance of this larger-scale idea.

It'll take time for the media and the players to make this tournament must-see. In the first year, the attention is going to feel like propaganda in the sense that we're being groomed to feel a certain level of passion for something we have no tie to or asked for.

There's a 50-50 shot this becomes successful (enough). I think the Commissioner's Cup in the W works well enough. There's a level of accomplishment that comes with winning it, even if everyone knows it's not nearly as substantial as winning a chip. To me, there's something glaring, but also solveable, in terms of a selling point or competitive hook that could draw fans and players in. It'll take some time for the league office to figure that out. Hopefully, not so long that fans turn the page on the entertainment value of the tournament.
2794811, Hard yawn. So unnecessary.
Posted by Cold Truth, Sat Jul-08-23 07:54 PM
Maybe it’s exactly what he’s saying it is and will become an integral part of the NBA calendar.

I just don’t see the point.
2794814, The NBA/Media has done so much to build up chips
Posted by Cenario, Sat Jul-08-23 08:54 PM
And being an NBA Champion...like what the hell is this in comparison.

Honestly, it'll be on the players to determine how important it is. If the players are talking about how important the 'cup' means to them, and there are ultra competetive games around it...for ex. Coaches playing stars 40+ min for Cup games like they do for the playoffs, sure then it'll latch on and mean something.


Otherwise, its just gonna be like thos dumb ass all star game gimmicks that dont matter bc players dont give a fuck.
2794832, if winning players got $2M ea or more it would be better
Posted by cgonz00cc, Sun Jul-09-23 07:56 PM
cup play in european soccer leagues are cool because its every division of the sport in one tournament. that makes the players care, so we care.

a premier league only tournament would be boring and pointless without some little semi-pro club making a miracle run to the quarterfinals. money is the only way to make anyone care about this, and while the 9-12th dudes wouldnt sneeze at $500K, thats not far off from some stars' game checks.
2794821, I don’t like that the groups are divided by Conference
Posted by pretentious username, Sun Jul-09-23 05:30 AM
I don’t think this affects the actual rounds of the tournament, but the group play looks a little boring if it’s the same matchups we see regularly.
2794845, the league is full of gimmicks at this point
Posted by Stadiq, Sun Jul-09-23 11:53 PM

This. Super teams. The All-Star foolishness. Very little defense. 140 pt games. Nascar style jerseys. The list goes on.


It isn't a very serious sport anymore, unfortunately. And it keeps getting worse.


I wonder how much of this is Adam Silver being too fucking nice. Someone comes in with a dumbass idea and he doesn't have the spine to tell that person what a dumb fucking idea a mid seasonon tournament or resetting the score every quarter or whatever is.


Either way, it really comes off like the NBA is very insecure about its product.

And it is very unclear why players should give a fuck about this.


If the NBA wants to improve their product/regular season, they need to figure out how to get players to care about it again. This aint it.




2794850, Agree on all of this. That’s why I’m big on college hoops.
Posted by Beezo, Mon Jul-10-23 08:34 AM
>
>This. Super teams. The All-Star foolishness. Very little
>defense. 140 pt games. Nascar style jerseys. The list goes
>on.
>
>
>It isn't a very serious sport anymore, unfortunately. And it
>keeps getting worse.
>
>
>I wonder how much of this is Adam Silver being too fucking
>nice. Someone comes in with a dumbass idea and he doesn't
>have the spine to tell that person what a dumb fucking idea a
>mid seasonon tournament or resetting the score every quarter
>or whatever is.
>
>
>Either way, it really comes off like the NBA is very insecure
>about its product.
>
>And it is very unclear why players should give a fuck about
>this.
>
>
>If the NBA wants to improve their product/regular season, they
>need to figure out how to get players to care about it again.
>This aint it.
>
>
>
>
>
2794874, Lol christ you're fucking miserable
Posted by Hitokiri, Mon Jul-10-23 04:31 PM
Super teams like the Showtime Lakers and Celtics? Like the 90s Bulls?
The all-star game really got you bothered like this?
140 point games like the 00s Kings and Mavs?
And jumping out the window because the jerseys got one, little logo.

Get a grip.

Players are more talented than ever.
Most watched play-offs in years.
So they're trying something different.
Ol' "change is hard" ass.
2794881, playoffs pre-finals were the highest rated in 11 years.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Mon Jul-10-23 05:42 PM
and the best in 5 years including the finals.

this was one of the most compelling end of the season races to the playoffs in recent memory. and easily one of the best 1st rounds ever.

so among most nba viewers...shit doesnt seem to be nearly as apocalyptic as some would have you think.

people expect perfection. then whenever theres any flaw...people complain that there needs to be change. then whenever change is instituted people complain that things arent like they were before. its just a never ending cycle of contrarianism.
2794941, lol ...nah
Posted by Stadiq, Wed Jul-12-23 10:26 AM
>Super teams like the Showtime Lakers and Celtics? Like the
>90s Bulls?

How old are you? Not even close to the same. Those dudes wanted to beat each other, not team up. This AAU shit is corny to me...that okay with you if I have that opinion?


>The all-star game really got you bothered like this?

Bothered enough to....post about it? I guess so. Bigger question is why does other people's opinions on this have you bothered like this?


We could play that all day.



>140 point games like the 00s Kings and Mavs?

Uh...K. Good...point? lol. I really got to you, huh? Damn, my bad man.


>And jumping out the window because the jerseys got one, little
>logo.

Yup that's what I said. I'm at the ledge right now.


>
>Get a grip.

You sure I'm the one who needs to get a grip here? I posted about various gimmicks the NBA has tried in a desperate attempt to attract non-basketball fans, and you had a tantrum.




>
>Players are more talented than ever.

Debatable...certainly not defensively. Better shooters, more athletic for sure. Do you have a point or just continuing the tantrum?

>Most watched play-offs in years.

That's great....not sure why the NBA feels like they need to try and recreate a jr playoffs in December. Looks like most dudes in here feel the same.

Again, not sure why you have such a hard time with that.


Most think this is stupid, you don't.

You want like an award or something? "Most Open to Adam Silver's Dumbass Ideas"? I'm sure someone around here would make you one.


>So they're trying something different.


>Ol' "change is hard" ass.



Why are you so defensive over this? Shit got weird QUICK.

Ol' "other people's opinions trigger me" ass
2794957, lol ...sure guy
Posted by Hitokiri, Wed Jul-12-23 10:58 PM
tantrum cuz you said some "i'm stuck in 19XX..." ass shit and someone disagreed and spoke to it. Like you're new to how message boards work.

You should probably not watch basketball since the product is so "gimmicky" (unlike any other time in history) and you just can't take having a 3"x3" patch on the jersey.
2794987, No dog in this fight, but re: super teams
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Jul-13-23 10:06 PM
>>Super teams like the Showtime Lakers and Celtics? Like the
>>90s Bulls?
>
>How old are you? Not even close to the same. Those dudes
>wanted to beat each other, not team up.

That's because they already had the luxury of being teamed up with all-time greats.

The only real difference here is that the players were no longer subject to shoddy management incapable of surrounding them with championship talent.

The only difference I see between the two is, The Man largely controlled the fates of Magic, Bird, and Mike. Add Isaiah to that mix.

Each of those cats had significant squads built around them.

But Lebron had no such luxury. Ditto Wade and Bosh. They didn't have HOF level running mates in their primes. So the difference here is, they decided to stop leaving it to The Man and took their fate into their own hands.

Hating that is basically hating the concept of worker power, because it is essentially saying that it is only acceptable for the worker in this example to succeed based on the cards they are dealt by The Man.

Thus, the players with competent/fortunate management get praise for making the most of their riches, while the comparative peasants get derided for refusing to spend their careers mired in relative talent poverty.

There are outliers, teams who won without an overabundance of talent, and different eras where different models reigned supreme, but with the possible exception of KD making the filthy rich disgustingly wealthy, most of these players simply put themselves in situations similar to what the Mike/Magic/Bird/Zeke types were *given*.

Shaq & KObe didn't have to seek each other out. Jerry West did that.

Kobe was then gifted Pau.

KG was gifted to Boston by a Boston player running Minny, and Ray was also traded there.

They didn't have to seek each other out, because they had competent management.

Tim had perhaps the most competent management of his era and got gifted multiple HOF players that spanned two generations of players.

It's an unfair criticism. The super team has always existed. The only difference is the players in the modern era took matters in their own hands, instead of leaving it up to The Man.

2794995, ^^Ding ding ding
Posted by Hitokiri, Fri Jul-14-23 08:24 AM
2794866, Could be interesting
Posted by mista k5, Mon Jul-10-23 12:43 PM
For right now it does make want tune in for those group games and tourney but come November I may have forgot about it. I hope they do air the group games nationally.

I'm wondering if they have more plans for it down the line that they are holding off on until they see if it catches on. I think it could make more sense if they make some more changes to how the regular season plays out. Maybe get rid of divisions.

I also kind of worry that it will be like soccer tournaments where some counties send a "b team" sometimes.

As far as I'm understanding these games will all be part of the 82 game regular season except for the final which will be an 83rd game for those two teams. Also, during the group stage teams will play games that are not part of this cup. I think that's another change I would make in the future. It will feel a lot more like a cup/tournament if only games for it are played during this period. Set aside 2/3 weeks for only the tournament games including group stages. I get why this might not be practical but I do think it would help separating it from the regular season.
2794868, Yeah, this is fucking stupid. There's no point to it at all
Posted by mrhood75, Mon Jul-10-23 01:11 PM
My hate for the play-in games is well documented, but I at least get the purpose. This... means nothing.
2794869, Yeah like literally whats the point
Posted by Cenario, Mon Jul-10-23 01:16 PM
2794870, The only thing that would make sense
Posted by Numba_33, Mon Jul-10-23 01:36 PM
from the league and TV broadcaster's perspective is to lessen the chance teams will load manage playing times for star players since it appears these early season games will have some semblance of heightened importance.

I personally won't care too deeply outside of game between already established rivals, but if this will result in better televised basketball games, I won't complain too loudly.

I have to imagine the players are all alright with since since I'm assuming they could have voted this down when it came about with the recent CBA, so if they are cool with it, I won't grumble about this too much. And I'm also assuming the extra TV dollars this will generate will get added in future CBA agreements, so that should be some added incentive for this to perform well; at least in theory.

Since I am an East Coast TV watcher, I wonder how late the games that will take place in Las Vegas will air on TV; I fear the games will start 10:00 or 10:30 PM ESP since that is fair for Las Vegas time zone, but not so much for me.
2794875, If it continues, within a few years teams that pull a double (cup/chip)
Posted by Hitokiri, Mon Jul-10-23 04:34 PM
Are definitely going to use that for bragging rights and comparing the great teams of the era.
2794813, Pop re-signs for 5/80. All in for the Wemby era.
Posted by PROMO, Sat Jul-08-23 08:02 PM
2794867, he's going to die in that chair that's why Tim and Becky moved on
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jul-10-23 01:05 PM
2794873, I know I'm an old traditionalist but this new "in season tournament"...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jul-10-23 03:58 PM
is stupid.

With the contracts being given out the league is apparently not hurting for money why are they constant trying to re-invent the wheel and be like soccer?

And in regards to the original post apparently Ime Udoka wanted no parts of James Harden in Houston lol

>It’s being widely reported that James Harden is returning
>to Houston.
>
>Well, that’s a wrap for Philly being a contender. Maxey
>takes over at the point,
>but at 6’2 defensively he is really small, so a 1/2 punch of
>Maxey and Embid isn’t
>going to cut it.
>
>Harden was always going to go back to the South. He is no East
>coast cat and never
>really liked it.
>
>Harden/Porter/Green/Smith/Sengun…with mofo Udoka!
>
>That’s a serious squad right there
>
>We shall see if this all comes to fruition.
2794877, It's dumb, but really doesn't change much.
Posted by Ryan M, Mon Jul-10-23 05:01 PM
The one extra game is quite dumb, though.
2794879, Wait til someone gets injured in this tournament
Posted by guru0509, Mon Jul-10-23 05:28 PM

Uproar is going to be quite loud

And I agree I think it’s dumb as well

>is stupid.
>
>With the contracts being given out the league is apparently
>not hurting for money why are they constant trying to
>re-invent the wheel and be like soccer?
>
>And in regards to the original post apparently Ime Udoka
>wanted no parts of James Harden in Houston lol
>
>>It’s being widely reported that James Harden is returning
>>to Houston.
>>
>>Well, that’s a wrap for Philly being a contender. Maxey
>>takes over at the point,
>>but at 6’2 defensively he is really small, so a 1/2 punch
>of
>>Maxey and Embid isn’t
>>going to cut it.
>>
>>Harden was always going to go back to the South. He is no
>East
>>coast cat and never
>>really liked it.
>>
>>Harden/Porter/Green/Smith/Sengun…with mofo Udoka!
>>
>>That’s a serious squad right there
>>
>>We shall see if this all comes to fruition.
>
2794880, most people thought the play-in tournament was stupid.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Mon Jul-10-23 05:36 PM
and it turned out to be a good move.

i will give this new shit some time before jumping to conclusions.

ultimately if the players choose to compete hard and make it matter...then it will.
2794882, You're right but...
Posted by Ryan M, Mon Jul-10-23 05:57 PM
At least the play in tournament has real implications. This is mostly meaningless other than the "title" game where the winning team's players can get 500k/each. Which - good for them, but for fans...why should we care?

At it's core, it's really an exercise in "Okay, so my team plays one of these 4 other teams every Tuesday and Friday for a period of the season" *or whatever days the tournament play is on, I dunno. Which really doesn't change a thing. But I can't really see anyone giving a shit about what team pulled in an extra 5-6 million bucks. Obviously, we all care who gets into the playoffs.
2794942, right I can see them getting pissed when Pop "load manages"
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Jul-12-23 10:33 AM
his entire starting lineup for the "tournament games" and with the contract he just signed I doubt if he cares about a fine lol
2794945, if you don't care what do you lose?
Posted by Rjcc, Wed Jul-12-23 12:28 PM
it's just regular season basketball plus one game

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
2794948, its not about caring who wins the money
Posted by cgonz00cc, Wed Jul-12-23 02:06 PM
its about paying the players to care

if they are fully inveated in winning, it will lead to a good product. that, in theory, should be its own reason to watch.

but like i said before, i dont think thats enough money for the players to care enough to be compelling.
2794965, plus its not just about the player's caring, what is the team's incentive?
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-13-23 11:27 AM
If the coach is just playing his star player 32 minutes instead of 42+ in a do or die game, it means nothing
2794967, they should play for 10% cap relief the next season
Posted by cgonz00cc, Thu Jul-13-23 12:09 PM
2794968, right. its gotta be for something lol
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-13-23 12:38 PM
2794982, ^^ great idea
Posted by dillinjah, Thu Jul-13-23 06:04 PM
2794984, it was kind of a throwaway line when i typed it, but...
Posted by cgonz00cc, Thu Jul-13-23 06:58 PM
thats exactly what they should be playing for

fucking cap space

that will make EVERYONE care
2794973, I mean, it’s enough money for 7-14
Posted by Nodima, Thu Jul-13-23 03:05 PM
I’m almost absolutely sure no coach, let alone coaches, would be so brazen, but the funniest way this could play out would be a prestige summer league


~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
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Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz
2794950, I don't think 'most' people thought the playoff tournament was dumb
Posted by Cenario, Wed Jul-12-23 03:27 PM
And besides that, there was an easy argument as to how that easily makes the stretch run more interesting because it directly correlates to more teams having a chance at the ultimate goal...a championship.

The ultimate issue with this in season tournament is how does this compare to the nba championship which has been the goal for all these years. Is the chip 1A and the cup 1b? is it more important to win the cup then to lose the finals. like literally what the fuck is the importance of winning the cup?

Until the league defines that AND media/fans buys in, the shit is confusing as fuck.

Like make the cup mean something like the winner automatically makes the playoffs and gets the 1st win of their playoff series or the cup winner gets plus 5 on their win total....or something. Not that i think those are good ideas, but at least it makes a little sense.

Here is just an exhibition tournament on the back of regular season games.
2794960, the idea that this is difficult is only because we're not used to it
Posted by Rjcc, Thu Jul-13-23 07:33 AM
the european soccer teams do this already, it's fine.

people figure it out. does it matter ? it matters as much as you think it does. some people care and some people don't and it's fine.


and the clubs often don't play their top players till the later rounds etc,

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
2794963, nah...can you answer any of these questions?
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-13-23 09:08 AM
>The ultimate issue with this in season tournament is how does this compare to the nba championship which has been the goal for all these years. Is the chip 1A and the cup 1b? is it more important to win the cup then to lose the finals. like literally what the fuck is the importance of winning the cup?
2794975, I think you’re way overthinking this
Posted by pretentious username, Thu Jul-13-23 03:15 PM
>>The ultimate issue with this in season tournament is how
>does this compare to the nba championship which has been the
>goal for all these years. Is the chip 1A and the cup 1b? is it
>more important to win the cup then to lose the finals. like
>literally what the fuck is the importance of winning the cup?


It’s a fun little thing that gives a team some bragging rights for the rest of the season. It doesn’t compare to anything involving the finals or even the playoffs. Who is even suggesting that the winner is more impressive than the Finals loser? You’re inventing issues that aren’t there.
2794979, Its a question bc i literally have no idea what it means. I never claimed
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-13-23 04:16 PM
that someone was saying the cup winner is more impressive than the finals loser. It literally was a question that I was asking lol


Now this is inventing. has any team commented that they care about the CUP yet?

>It’s a fun little thing that gives a team some bragging rights for the rest of the season.
2794983, How/why would the NBA even answer that question though?
Posted by pretentious username, Thu Jul-13-23 06:41 PM
If your question is “what are the implications for the standings/championship?” well the answer is obviously none. If your question is “why won’t they tell us how the winner of this compares to the Finals loser?”… why would they even do that? Do you want them to release a press statement that states this is more or less prestigious than being the Finals loser? And do you want every team to tweet out “we care about this tournament?” Guarantee by the time the tournament starts every team’s social media will be treating it like the most important thing there is lol.

If you’re not interested in the tourney, that’s fine, but the tourney’s existence itself is not as confusing as you’re making it out to be. It’s a midseason tournament with money and a trophy for the winner. Happens in soccer all the time. It’s meant to give a little bit more juice to the regular season. We’ll see if it actually does that, but I’m having a tough time believing everyone on this board is THIS angry and confused by the thing. Plus I’m like 75% sure the board will be singing the tournament’s praises once it actually happens.
2794992, I mean someone already explained why the soccer comparison
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-13-23 11:16 PM
Is a fail. And team's social media tweets mean that the actual front office and team care?lmao Cmon
2794964, not exactly
Posted by cgonz00cc, Thu Jul-13-23 10:45 AM
>the european soccer teams do this already, it's fine.

> and the clubs often don't play their top players till the
>later rounds etc,
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

each national football association cup invites every single club from the entire country, not just the first division.

nobody at all would care about an english cup that only involves the teams in the PL.

but Sheffield United made a run to the semis, and thats something people care about, David running with the Goliaths. Grimsby (a 4th tier club!) made a run to the quarters, beating a PL team to get there, and thats something people care about.

besides the cinderella factor, Grimsby has a stadium that holds 9000 people in a village of 38,000. an entire region of the country was electrified by their little club making noise.

in the Netherlands, a semi-pro team made a run to the semis of their cup! thats one of the top 10 sports stories of the entire year imo.

a closed tournament within a specific league has absolutely none of what makes national cups special in soccer.
2794966, wondered about that but i no nothing about soccer
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-13-23 11:29 AM
thanks for the explanation.
2794974, pretty much, plus I expect format changes in subsequent years.
Posted by pretentious username, Thu Jul-13-23 03:12 PM
I have a bit of an issue with the format as announced, but I’m sure it will be entertaining and those issues will either not really be issues or will get smoothed out in the next couple seasons.
2794972, And I definitely have this wrong, but it’s like 6 days over a whole month right?
Posted by Nodima, Thu Jul-13-23 03:01 PM
I’ve listened to Zach Lowe explain the format and why it’ll probably be fun two maybe three times but until it’s actually happening I confess I don’t have a handle on it at all

Until a couple weeks ago I assumed it was a single week or weekend…

~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
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Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz
2794935, Harry Giles sighting? Knicks about to do Obi double dirty....
Posted by Castro, Wed Jul-12-23 09:10 AM
Knicks brought Obi's brother Jacob to camp and Knicks fans thought, oh they must be keeping Obi, but then we thought, so Thibs is going to NOT play both of them.... but it turned out a few days later they traded Obi. Now they are supposedly just signing Jacob to a training camp contract, meaning they are most likely going to cut him.

I don't know if that 'audio' that was floating around with Obi going at Thibs is true, but the Knicks giving Obi up for phantom picks and trading him to a rival team just so he can come back and haunt us sucks, but I want that Karma for Thibs.


I had forgotten about Harry Giles but apparently he has healed up from whatever injuries he had and is auditioning to be Bobby Portis. That Duke network is working for him. Now they need to send a life coach and chef to NOLA for Zion.
2794946, God, I'd love to see Harry get a shot.
Posted by Frank Longo, Wed Jul-12-23 01:34 PM
Hate to see a guy who was such a monster in HS completely drop off. Would love to see him get paid.
2794947, Deleted message
Posted by CyrenYoung, Wed Jul-12-23 02:04 PM
No message
2794993, see this is why kd needs to stop going back and forth with randos.
Posted by .Monkeynuts., Thu Jul-13-23 11:22 PM
https://twitter.com/DaKidGowie/status/1679558001550675968

you give folks credibility and equal footing with you in a debate over something that you have actual experience in and now everybody is saying you got roasted by a comedian whose built like a jelly bean and never played pro ball a day in his life.

shit was funny tho lol.
2795003, I like dude as a comedian but he needs to stfu
Posted by legsdiamond, Fri Jul-14-23 03:20 PM
Durant is much better at basketball than dude is at comedy

KD needs to cut that hair tho.. lol.
2795004, Durant needs to not feed the trolls
Posted by pretentious username, Fri Jul-14-23 03:53 PM
For the life of me I’ll never understand why some celebrities engage with random people online.
2795007, nah, you got this all fucked up. KD hurt that man bad.
Posted by PROMO, Fri Jul-14-23 08:36 PM
you don't make a 5 minute video that clearly took a significant amount of research unless you are PRESSED.

and for it just to be shit KD knows (hoop stats) or that he's heard a million times from better critics (ring chasing, etc).

smh. dude LOST.
2795008, KD really be moving odd as hell
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Fri Jul-14-23 10:02 PM
2795010, Sorry to link the NY Post, but Zion essentially admitted to a food addiction
Posted by Nodima, Sat Jul-15-23 01:04 AM
on Gilbert Arena's pod earlier this week apparently


https://nypost.com/2023/07/11/zion-williamson-dieting-is-hard-when-you-have-money/


“Is it hard to diet at your age?” Arenas asked. “Be honest.”

“Since it’s you, I’ll be real,” Williamson said. “That s–t hard, it’s hard man. Like, you’re 20, 22, got a lot of money — it feels like all the money in the world — man, it is hard.

“But I’m at that point now, where, because of certain things, I’m putting back wisdom around me… putting people around me with wisdom, put me on game to certain things and just go from there.”


--------


Obviously my header puts a lot of weight (no pun intended...) on what he's saying but paired with his not baby momma's roasting and David Griffin's shade in the exit interviews, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's thinking at least as much about food and sex as he is basketball. And he wouldn't be the first big man with money to limit his career over his stomach and dick.


I really hope he's actually taking steps with his diet because he's such a fucking menace when he's at full force, and I still can't fully describe how disappointing it was for him to get hurt literally four days before I saw him take on KD and Kyrie in New Orleans back in January. It was still such a fun game, but the Pelicans are on a totally different level when Zion's right. Like, I'd hate for him to get traded somewhere else, too - the way that dude plays is exactly the way that city bullies you into a good time.



~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz
2795011, Somebody needs to make new post this shit is too big lol
Posted by ThaTruth, Sat Jul-15-23 05:59 AM