so I see a lot of reckless talk every Sunday, so we need to know where you all stand if you're going to claim someone in the future

we're excluding Brady, Rodgers, Stafford and Ryan -- their careers are wrapped up, more or less

if you want to get loud and say Mahomes, Jackson or Allen suck, go ahead, but they have separated themselves in their trajectories already

this is about the late-stage guys who could change their legacy, the looking washed guys who may or may not bounce back, the semi-successful guys who could go either way, and the unproven guys

was elite but now washed

when Denver figures this out. Even Rodgers, Hackett and LaFleuer(sp?) were shaky, in the beginning. That connection with Jeudy is coming, you can see it. Denver receivers still dropping hella passes. That last drive, a dude leaked out for what would have been like a 20 yard catch…butt-naked, wide open and the ball hit him in both palms..dropped it. Look, his best years are definitely behind him, but no way I’m accepting he’s washed.

in DC we knew right away it was off

i'll make sure to leave flowers at your grave every now and then.

Saw it yesterday in the Raiders game after Javonte went out. He was tucking it way more than he has so far this season

I think he's reluctant to do so because of his age. But he's starting to realize that part of his game will need to at least be a factor

as you said the receivers dropping hella passes. I see the connection with Sutton and Jeudy growing each game though

>when Denver figures this out. Even Rodgers, Hackett and
>LaFleuer(sp?) were shaky, in the beginning. That connection
>with Jeudy is coming, you can see it. Denver receivers still
>dropping hella passes. That last drive, a dude leaked out
>for what would have been like a 20 yard catch…butt-naked,
>wide open and the ball hit him in both palms..dropped it.
>Look, his best years are definitely behind him, but no way
>I’m accepting he’s washed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdqoNKCCt7A

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAyKJAtDNCw

I'm right around here. It is totally okay if the truth is in the middle with Russ. He's not the king shit best QB in the league. Probably never was. He's not young or the most athletic.

But washed? Nope. Not at all. MATT MOTHERFUCKING RYAN IS WASHED. Russ is just struggling with a coach who might not be it, being in a new spot, and maybe even some Kevin Love ass skill players who might not be ready for regular prime time showings and pressure on them to perform just yet. Being on the afternoon slate is an easier life than this primetime 4 of the first 5 weeks shit.

I'm Jessie Spano every time I see him play but I'm glad to see him going more into 'fuck it, let's make a play' mode.

>was elite but now washed


2022 and 2023 first-round picks,
2022 and 2023 second-round picks
and a 2022 fifth-round pick.

only contract worse than that in Denver is the deal the nuggets gave to Michael Porter Jr

also, the more games the Broncos lose, the better those picks get.

Russ finding new ways to help the Seahawks...you gotta love it.

https://twitter.com/Guccireeves/status/1578227393180770304

That "let Russ cook" thing was always hilarious. They didnt let him cook because he cant cook. Broncos just doomed their franchise for the next seven years and possibly longer. Gave up all that money and draft stock for a washed QB

he was an excellent improviser in his prime and developed abilities well past his peers Kaepernick and RG3

Thats why DK Metcalf got frustrated and pissed off and why Russ clashed with Pete Carrol. Russ can only play QB through improv and that shit doesnt work in the red zone or without an all world defense to bail you out.

like THAT.

not saying he's an immobile turd, but he's not how he used to be when he was a young man and these pass rushers just keep getting faster, more agile, etc.

he is who he is, doesn't see the field like an elite QB

he's gotten the blame for so much shit that's out of his control, and he's better than a lot of people give him credit for, but it's unlikely he'll ever hit that upper echelon, at least not for any extended period. he's too much in his head.

he's the king of almost.

still hoping tho

place-holder who would suck in a mediocre offensive system

... without the guaranteed money.

>place-holder who would suck in a mediocre offensive system

nobody is stanning for this guy anymore, but I remember the die-hard Washington fans

he will not be going on a Stafford end of career resurrection

He’s got a sharp offensive coach now and he’s surrounded by loads of weapons

But the O-line has to be playing well, Jefferson has to be WIDE open, and the defense has to be doing their part…and then MAYBE you’ll get 250+ and 2TDs from him

He can drive a formula 1 car that’s souped to the tits if no one else is on the track, but he couldn’t win a Nascar last-lap three wide sprint at Talladega to save his life. No creativity, no improvisation, no grit. But admittedly he is still better than at least 2/3 of the league.

he's peaked, hurt all the time, don't see him carrying Dallas any further than he has and his new contract is an albatross around your salary cap neck because you are paying him to be one of the elites

.

>he's peaked, hurt all the time, don't see him carrying Dallas
>any further than he has and his new contract is an albatross
>around your salary cap neck because you are paying him to be
>one of the elites

Played over his head early on. Adult. Company guy.

You CAN win with him, but you have to keep his salary around the 10th highest paid QB. For all of the cries about his contract. He's damn near there now. If not, its close.

At worst, he's a bigger, slightly more athletic Kirk Cousins. I don't love that sometimes it seems like he won't just LET IT FUCKING RIP. But hey, that's the Kirk in him. Plus we all know how Black QBs are probably told to their faces that they can't show up with a Jameis amount of picks and still be in town.

Also, people are acting like the Cowboys should be expecting to win when their shit hasn't been tight for real since Jimmy was there. And even that eva took a crazy trade, some excellently fortunate drafting, no cap/wild money getting thrown around for hired guns, and some other miracles.

Closer to an "Aikman" type with a Cowboys team that is nowhere near elite outside of him like his teams were.

Romo was the Cowboys' generational talent that was lost to injury, his own blunders, and front office follies. 3rd stringer that could have been their (HOF version of) Favre.

he is what he is

cmon (c) The Money Man

he got a mid-career boost but lord almighty we say the true Tanny in last year's playoffs

continually self-absorbed and driving DJ Moore into early retirement

thinks he is Mahomes or vintage Russ but just dances around and improvs into the biggest bullshit decisions you can make

literally does nothing well

It really took Jacoby Brissett to unlock David Njoku, in Cleveland. Weak throws, hospital balls, so many tips.

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http://art-------school.com/

https://ibb.co/k4m6n8C

Colts still suck and so does he

terribly inaccurate and the King Arthur of dumb fucking hero ball

cannot read defenses in year 7 or whatever

Either he’s regressed worse than any quarterback ever or Pederson protected him more than we’ll ever understand

I’ve never seen a QB with his arm strength and build look so skittish and give the ball up so easily

He’s some grotesque combination of Jeff George, Old Ben Roethlisberger, and Kurt Warner (Warner markedly better, just comparable cause Wentz is also a Jesus freak)

He is not a consistent enough to justify starting NFL games at that position. At some point they let Sam Howell run the offense.

has some breath-taking plays and many others where he is seemingly freelancing

I don't think Kingsbury is a world-beater, but the guy does coach up QBs well

he'll keep his teams interesting and competitive until the injuries and mileage take a step from him -- but with his stature and reliance on broken plays I struggle to see him ever ascending into the elite category

I wouldn't bet on him, he has a ton of new expectations in Cleveland and critics that he never had before (nobody gave a fuck if he had a bad game in Houston, because he was the life of the franchise on offense)

if someone told me I could spend the most money on any QB in the NFL it would not be him, yet that is what he is

Yeah he a degenerate POS but about 25 teams would trade their guy for him if they weren’t afraid of the heat and I wish he was the Titans QB

as Brooklynwhat said, he's a top 5 QB right now.

when he returns with that O=Line and running game, Cleveland should be a playoff team at least.

The arm talent, pocket presence and vision are elite from what I've seen.

>I wouldn't bet on him, he has a ton of new expectations in
>Cleveland and critics that he never had before (nobody gave a
>fuck if he had a bad game in Houston, because he was the life
>of the franchise on offense)
>
>if someone told me I could spend the most money on any QB in
>the NFL it would not be him, yet that is what he is

where the 2 best QBs currently in the NFL currently reside (and several other contenders in the league also do, including 2 in his division).

But I think he'll reclaim his spot as the best QB not named Mahomes and Allen.

Jacoby Brissett has demonstrated that you don't have to do much to put up points in the Cleveland offense (bar the NE game they have not scored less than 20 all season). I don't think Deshaun ever had that in Houston.

Don't think he's near washed, even with essentially 2 seasons out (not like he was actually injured).

The expectations are higher (and the pressure will be greater, even if self-inflicted)

but he's gonna be great. Looking forward to it.

lots of excuses can be made but I'm not seeing anything transcendent here

he will be just a guy if everything breaks right

Mine.

Worst group of WR’s in the history of the forward pass, and a horrible line other than Thomas. He is accurate, mobile, and is throwing darts and making good decisions.

Give him somebody to throw to and the passing stats will reflect that. He and Barkley are flat out carrying the team to wins.

>lots of excuses can be made but I'm not seeing anything
>transcendent here
>
>he will be just a guy if everything breaks right

Occasionally clueless. He still appears to be on some 'seeing half of the field shit'. Little ass vision cone in this mfer.

He's been surrounded in chaos and tomfoolery and will probably get another chance. And he'll be bad there too.

His nerd stats are good.

Pass blocking and poor WR’s keep his box score stats down but he’s playing well and helping win games.

https://twitter.com/justinpenik/status/1581773201381941248?s=46&t=wO1UDdI8SbrUBBrZQWLPyw

the type of goofball QB that just wins games for the Giants

said that when he was drafted.

Giants have just been a joke at various phases of team management in the post-Eli era, this is the first time they're actually doing something

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_fdejJGbaRV8/TBcKD_13rQI/AAAAAAAAAtc/5fVZQssBrec/s1600/Picture+60.png

elite start to his career, but I think he'll end up a shade below the top tier unless the Bengals become a championship team over the long run (doubtful)

this isn’t a slight I have always been a big Romo fan. He just couldn’t overcome that cowboys stink but who can

no idea what will happen with his health -- although he has never been healthy over an entire season, dating back to college

I wrote him off before and he was off to a nice start this year, still only in year three

that said, he's small and doesn't have otherworldly gifts or innate QB skills to make him a future great

>no idea what will happen with his health -- although he has
>never been healthy over an entire season, dating back to
>college
>
>I wrote him off before and he was off to a nice start this
>year, still only in year three
>
>that said, he's small and doesn't have otherworldly gifts or
>innate QB skills to make him a future great

Russ got some smaller dudes drafted early.

I don't think we're ever going to know for real on Tua. Too many agendas are lined up for him to fail, he now is the mascot for head injuries, and Miami is...well...Miami.

Baker:

Tua is better than Baker (deep ball, decision-making, it looks like the whole team doesn't actively hate him, that shit) and I don't know if Baker is truly as terrible as he looks right now. I can buy the idea that Baker was never physically special but now he's physically cooked and he lacks the other stuff to save him. So now he's just a physically unfit dude out there catching hell.

if he can stay healthy.

Kirk Cousins level

I'm still mostly in on him, guy can do it all from a physical standpoint and he is as accurate as they come

that "muted leader" shit might bite him if he never starts winning though

It’s obvious. Everything you could want, physically, like you said. Do not get the hate…guys are mad at the kid, because some talking heads have a hard on for him.

However the chargers are classically an “almost” team so I don’t see him winning a ring

>I'm still mostly in on him, guy can do it all from a physical
>standpoint and he is as accurate as they come
>
>that "muted leader" shit might bite him if he never starts
>winning though

He has warts..mostly young dude stuff. Holding the ball, occasionally getting too excited and missing a throw, golden arm syndrome picks, all of that. Even if he stays healthy, he's probably about to get at least one somebody fired.

I hate that he's a subject of bigtime agenda wars.

I hope he doesn't end up another what-if guy who could never get the right shit around him. Imagine him in an easy offense to run like with the Niners!? THAT would be fun.

huge surprise at how much he keeps improving

the guy at Oklahoma was not the guy at Alabama, and this version of Hurts has made the same jump over three NFL seasons

if Philly keeps his weapons upgraded he is going to be a problem -- I'm not ready to put him up a tier but at his rate of progression who knows

Not comparing him to Brady or Kobe, but just the way people talk about him. Apparently his grind is legendary. Consistently hearing from people at every level that he’s a first in/last out type, doesn’t take reps off, lifts heavy even during the season. I think he’s proving that overachievers often achieve greatly. He’s a hell of a story and will end the season with several MVP votes at this pace.

He’s already become much better than I ever imagined and I think he will continue to grow and lead that team for a decade

Good to see on that front.

As for becoming elite, not sure about that. But if Philly keeps building, he may not have to be for them to win big.

He has those intangibles that inspire fandom. Makes it a little easier to swallow him missing open receivers.

>huge surprise at how much he keeps improving
>
>the guy at Oklahoma was not the guy at Alabama, and this
>version of Hurts has made the same jump over three NFL
>seasons
>
>if Philly keeps his weapons upgraded he is going to be a
>problem -- I'm not ready to put him up a tier but at his rate
>of progression who knows

I'm in the can for him bigtime. I want him to succeed. He's getting better at the stuff he was bad at. I love that shit. He puts his body on the line to try to fill in his gaps. Everyone can dig that up to a point!

His teams seems to love the shit out of him. That's my favorite thing to see. And my least favorite thing to see missing. Philly is going to be a tough out if they stay healthy. And they could mess around and be in the mix for a few years until he gets paid and the team around him fades (if that's still the way the NFL cap works by then).

http://art-------school.com/

https://ibb.co/k4m6n8C

Urban Meyer, with his 2014-era college offense, would be the last person I would want to mentor a #1 draft pick quarterback

I bought the talent at Clemson and think he will be fine over the long run

>I bought the talent at Clemson and think he will be fine over
>the long run

Seems like everyone kinda forgot about him amid all the shenanigans last year and now he’s getting comfortable. For now, I think he’s benefitting from being in a market with little pressure, but I don’t see him staying in Jacksonville.

Honestly mostly buying cause he has kind of an Elway look to him. I’m surprised the dude is not from Cali.

>Urban Meyer, with his 2014-era college offense, would be the
>last person I would want to mentor a #1 draft pick
>quarterback
>
>I bought the talent at Clemson and think he will be fine over
>the long run

I like that he's probably going to be at least 'fine' by general definition...as long as he is given time. The key for him is to not Baker himself in the building.

And I wouldn't think the Jags would self-destruct due to high expectations. Their team has a lot of misfits who have bumped around the league, so the room should have SOME realness in it to help stop people from being too Hollywood.

AND now he's seen what a shitshow looks like with Urb on-hand, so that might help him too.

he got away with fuckery in the little sheltered BYU world but New York is already eating him alive

slender build for his height and makes dumb decisions with his body, so there is no surprise he's continually hurt so far

I don't see his frame holding up over the long haul and his freestyle gameplay is not NFL level

If Kyler Murray can thrive then so can also Zach Wilson. He was fantasticIn Q4 yesterday. Scrambling and creative. But that’s not a sustainable way to win expect to win, much less with so few weapons around him.

>he got away with fuckery in the little sheltered BYU world
>but New York is already eating him alive

he thinks he is still big man on campus and NYC should worship him -- you ain't king of the mormons anymore and you aren't playing Texas State

his own receivers, Garrett Wilson and Elijah Moore called him out this week

have not heard a single Jet defend him

>I don't see his frame holding up over the long haul and his
>freestyle gameplay is not NFL level

literally cannot read coverages and just thinks he can wing it every play that isn't a screen

... with a full off-season through 11 weeks of the season. Trade Zach elsewhere, RIGHT TODAY, and move on if need be. No reason for Zach to put up Tebow numbers.

Jets GM must be a mormon

not just mediocre, you don’t want the mfs on the team?

haven't seen enough of him, even back in college, so I don't even have an opinion at this point

um...he's looking kind of shitty. like cannot hit a crossing route kind of shitty. that Ohio State system is too god-like at the college level, so much outside talent, all day to throw and easy reads. buyer beware with Stroud.

>that Ohio State system is too god-like
>at the college level, so much outside talent, all day to throw
>and easy reads.


this was the same knock on Haskins (RIP) coming out as well

not much talent on that side of the ball and unproven coaching. but he should be showing more -- they are scared for him to pass.

I think he's somewhere in-between the awfulness he is at right now and the talent he showed in college.

Stroud gets away with the same stuff; beautiful passes but how often is he challenged or has to pick between tough options?

you mentioned Haskins and the few games that defenses moved him off his spot (Purdue loss) he struggled tremendously...well, the NFL is all about being uncomfortable and how you manage it.

good decisions, just a lack of talent around him.

http://art-------school.com/

https://ibb.co/k4m6n8C

He holds onto the ball too long. That being said I do think the Bears finally stumbled onto using his legs more. I don't know why coaches are so hesitant to adjust their systems to the QB versus the adjusting the QB to the system.

The same can be said for Daniel Jones. They don't utilize his running ability enough.


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let's see what happens next

he has somehow looked worse than his rookie year so far -- you cannot be taking multiple 5-second sacks

I cannot believe he was a playoff starting QB last year. he does fine with Belichick, but your ceiling with him is a first-round exit. how many teams would trade a 1st round pick for him right today?

have FUCKING MATT PATRICIA as an OFFENSIVE coordinator

that's one of the wildest staff decisions since the Eagles moved Juan Castillo (the offensive line coach) to the DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR years ago.

(to Juan's credit he did "cook the shit out of those chitlins" on one occasion - poetx)

there's a bunch of stud Alabama wideouts who all rave about Mac.

And when the Niners moved up to 3 to take a QB apparently Kyle Shanahan wanted Mac but was outvoted internally and they went with Lance, who Kyle also liked but just viewed as much more of a project and in turn an impediment to immediate success with their currently loaded roster (hence their clumsiness handling the position this offseason). Isn't it wild to think the team moved up to 3 not even knowing which guy they were going for?!?

I dunno. I haven't seen it with Mac Jones, but guys like Waddle and Jameson Williams love Mac and Kyle Shanahan loved Mac too. Those guys know ball.

I think Mac is just in a terrible environment for a young highly touted offensive player who's trying to blossom. BB is a dick who wants to run the ball, control time of possession, and tackle well.

Great post Will and I largely agree with all of your opinions but I’ll add my own under each QB.

Let the Game of QBs: A Song of Picks and Wins commence.

Great post Will and I largely agree with all of your opinions but I’ll add my own under each QB.

Let the Game of QBs: A Song of Picks and Wins commence.

I’m still a Jameis apologist despite being on saints

I think he can still be a good qb.

Will he win a chip? No.

But there’s no reason he can’t have a career like Phil rivers.

On the other hand, he still has 4th quarters like he did v Tampa a few weeks ago. Glad to be on the other end of that for once

Physically he's gifted and like Rivers he seems to be a great leader.

But he almost seems cursed. Like in Tampa the coaches lost faith in him. And in NO, he's been injured too much. NO seemed to be the perfect landing spot, since he got a chance to apprentice under Drew and be coached up by a real QB-whisperer.

It just hasn't happened yet and I'm losing hope it ever will come together for him.

For all of his 'quirks,' his teammates seem to like him. I think if he ever gets to play again in long stretches, he could grow into a top 12-15 QB.

his resume is at good if not better than McNabb's, another formerly great QB who's not getting in the HOF but is damn close

you're pretty off there

>his resume is at good if not better than McNabb's, another
>formerly great QB who's not getting in the HOF but is damn
>close
>
>you're pretty off there

Rivers, at least to me, was really shaky for like half a decade and I felt like only me and a couple of my buddies could see it. Kinda like in a Matt Ryan way...dude was winning people fantasy titles and fucking off real life games with ridiculously bad decisions, absurd fumbles, bad line of scrimmage shit, all of that.

Crab Legs is like a bad mix of Favre and Rivers. And he's not going to get 15 years to start so that he can have like 8 good stats seasons. AND now he's seemingly breaking down physically.

the volatile decision-making is who he is

unfortunately he does not have the otherworldly talent to offset that -- and actually, even the guys who do have that talent are elite because they take care of the ball

I wonder what connection I could possibly be referring to between Favre and Winston without implying they were exact equals

Don’t see the difference between him and Tyrod Taylor.

he screwed up so bad Sunday, coach Smith ran almost 14 run plays in a row, and when we get in the red zone, this dude fumbled again (6th of the season) and had to throw the ball away and we had to settle for 3. Smith completely took the ball out his hands and ran like 12 more times straight




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cheap option

however, as mentioned he turns the ball over too much for a veteran place-holder type

Plenty lanes to run and open receivers. Misses it all.

He is tuuuuurrible

>Plenty lanes to run and open receivers. Misses it all.


Stroud is a waaay better thrower though

game was ugly past night but he put them in position to win and put the game winner on the WR’s hands.

but yeah.. he looks awful as a passer.

I was out on him like everyone else. So no agenda here

I’m legit impressed and perplexed by the newfound confidence. They switched things up for the NE game and he hasn’t looked back since

People were out on Darnell Mooney too early too. He’s a legit WR1 with this version of fields

Funny enough, I made that post a year ago after watching him vs my Manders on Thursday night football. A year later I just watched him again against my Manders on Thursday night football and I don't feel any better about Justin Fields. DJ Moore is a talent and was wide open all night because Washington secondary is abysmal.

10. Geno Smith?
9. Kyler Murray
8. Tom Brady
7. Kirk Cousins
6. Aaron Rodgers
5. Jalen Hurts
4. Joe Burrow
3. Lamar Jackson
2. Josh Allen
1. Patrick Mahomes

this feels like the official changing of the guard year. Packers are gonna struggle to get a wild card all year and Brady seems off. Honestly I think the top 10 falls off a cliff after Hurts. THere's a lot of iffy QB play this year.

Herbert and Daniel Jones.

I think he’s hurt and playing through it. He didn’t look his usual sharp and powerful self last night. Though part of that could be Allen going out.

Allen has been injured for basically the whole season, he has only played the first half of the first game of the season.

Dude is putting up numbers not seen from the QB position since black and white televisions.

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He’s avoiding mistakes and moving the chains.

Giants WRs are horrific, and the middle of the line gets destroyed on pass plays. Giants are working around that with the rollouts, bootlegs, and short passes to the TEs and RBs.

I suspect the numbers will look a lot better when there’s a pocket to step up into and a WR that can get open, catch, and do anything with it after the catch.

>He’s avoiding mistakes and moving the chains.
>
>Giants WRs are horrific, and the middle of the line gets
>destroyed on pass plays. Giants are working around that with
>the rollouts, bootlegs, and short passes to the TEs and RBs.
>
>I suspect the numbers will look a lot better when there’s a
>pocket to step up into and a WR that can get open, catch, and
>do anything with it after the catch.

Some of you only pay attention to fantasy football points when it’s not your team, but I actually watch the Giants every week because it’s my team.

If he sucked, I’d want him gone.

He’s playing good and getting it done.

No Taylor and he got Pittman looking like TO!

I get that you’re going hard for the board contrarian roll since everybody else left, but holy shit.

He threw for 389 yards, 3 TDs, and Pittman went for 13/134 that week.
It was a weekly rating

Know the shot before you jeer.

for any reason.

more than I would have Wac Jones (even if he weren't on the Cheatriots)

Belicheat takes mid QBs and makes them playable (some might even say..."GOAT")

obv bought low on Hurts and that's paying off.

he's in a terrible situation, paired with a QB who couldn't give less of a f*ck about his feelings and developing him long term

Belicheck wants to play football like it's 1986, pound the ball/control top/tackle hard

Above all else, Lombardi is a terrible OC.

Keenan Allen has only played in 2 games and didn’t finish those. Mike Williams is out.

love seeing all these pleas copped for his teams injuries.

foh.. its the same as it ever was, Chargers have always been a flashy team that puts up fantasy numbers… not wins

>love seeing all these pleas copped for his teams injuries.
>
>foh.. its the same as it ever was, Chargers have always been a
>flashy team that puts up fantasy numbers… not wins

I’m not saying it excuses poor on the field decisions by Herbert.

Lombardi isn’t very good and a bad hire. His previous OC experience consisted of half a season with the Lions and was fired mid season because his offense was so bad. The majority of his career he has been an assistant coach/QB coach with the Saints under Sean Payton.

Lombardi is/was a bad hire and isn’t maximizing the Chargers offensive talent.

and he should be released/traded in the offseason.

for the next 2 seasons.

it's a clear sign they're moving on. i have mixed feelings about it. there's so much over his stay here that hasn't been on him, but it's probably better on both ends to move on.

wonder how Devante feels about all this though.

>

Too many meathead GM staring at spreadsheets instead of watching games. So yeah, this could for real happen!

https://twitter.com/theleviedwards/status/1608245930524028929?t=gXSursTUqSP9SY5EM54Mhg&s=19

https://twitter.com/VinnyBonsignore/status/1608246659133378562?t=r5drz844SX6vr5OtfTsspQ&s=19

his last two postseasons were special, but he was awful when it matter this season.

which way is he going next postseason?

they've jumped the line to where I think the league wants to go (Full West Coast, fuck RBs, fuck defense on short passes)

they should pick up Kareem Hunt and get that line working. Check back in.

People are relegating him to Phillip Rivers status (Rivers was better than Eli but the Giants put a better team/system around Eli, who was horse piss in his last years. Meanwhile Rivers at least took the Colts to the playoffs before retiring)

The whole season i kept wondering why the Bills didnt seem to care that they have a garbage run game. They kept trotting out the same undersized running backs all year. I thought they would have gone all in to get Christian Mccaffrey

I lost faith in the OC Dorsey over the course of the season. offense not tight enough, too reliant on low percentage plays. Josh can make them at a higher clip than most but they neglected perfecting the easy underneath stuff. the chain movers. not a lot of creativity in play design. but also, yes, maybe josh spent too much time with his eyes deep, passing over easy underneath and mid-range. but it felt like they only practiced deep throws and so 3rd down it was hey josh make a crazy play running around or else throw the ball a million miles an hour to Diggs cuz he's who we can count on to separate.

and yea, there's a definite feeling of why run the ball and waste a down. josh's legs bailed them out of a ton of games this year. can't make a consistent O out of wild seat of his pants plays by the quarterback. all josh allen all the time...some of the basics have gone to shit.

don't want to plea cop like a chump for my boy, but watching thriving offenses in the league, i think we're behind on Xs and Os.

RBs, WRs besides Stef. A real top tier TE. And an O line. lot to do personnel wise. o line probably #1 this offseason.

josh has to change his approach but i think we need a new OC drawing it up

has his best already been seen? he has never played a full NFL season.

Curse of the outlier athlete, hasn't fully developed the finer points of winning qbing cuz his athleticism is so different. For now. Also not playing with a top offensive coach and shitty talent puts a cap on a qb's growth.

who is this man, really

but since he will be with Shanahan, he will be more than serviceable. maybe even better than Jimmy G long-term.

right now, a candidate for the next "Boody" (like Burrow, for different reasons).

Kyle is literally opening the playbook for this kid

but he is making all the throws with that other 25% downfield.

He reminds me of Brady.

could be released as early as tomorrow. Saints: ….let’s say we get together by the end of the week (c)

which i think is silly. a few weeks ago, the same people were saying business is business and the Raiders don't owe him shit. but that goes both ways

I will never understand this.

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tell us now if you think he's going to start lighting it up after being stashed for three years

https://tenor.com/view/nope-no-nah-pout-no-way-gif-15718389

Early returns are good, despite a porous line, particularly at left tackle.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

it happens..

I like Howell tho. Not afraid to tuck and run.

had no protection, held the ball way too long, locked his eyes on where he was going to throw. pretty good poise but reacted way too slowly to everything, didn't check down. once they were playing catch up, it was over. also, not fast or elusive enough to be a real running threat. not sure if it's a good comparison, but he reminded me of Tannehill some.

But he's short and nowhere near as fast as prime Russell Wilson. Nowhere near as fast as Mahomes. He can run a bit but I don't think you really have to worry much about it. Could be wrong, I saw one game.

And of course my standard for running qb is high...Josh Allen is a huge insane athlete

https://www.reddit.com/r/buffalobills/comments/16t2gdp/leonard_floyd_looked_like_von_miller_jr_on_these/

His body is almost like current (fat, slow) Russell

this isn't about speed, it's about extending drives.

He looked like shit vs the Bills but they don't play Buffalo every week.

it really helps if you're quick. kyler murray moves like a waterbug.

guilty as charged about injecting josh allen into every discussion. he's the most entertaining football player i've ever watched and he happens to be my qb.

thing is, if Howell was 6'5 with his quickness, he'd be fine. the crazy thing about josh allen is how much distance he covers with every stride. watch that clip i linked of Floyd running Howell down from behind. a qb like...i don't know...josh allen is able to make far more separation with each step.

no argument, just some observations, take em or leave em

which isn't horrible tbh

But you know there is a ceiling.

Sam Howell would be outstanding in , say , Pittsburgh or Atlanta ... places where the QB has talent around him but no swag to speak of whatsoever

Having watched Howell so closely I can say he's easily better than anything we've had here since Kirk Cousins. He can make some big time throws.

this past Sunday every sack he took was on him. He's gotta learn when to throw the ball away. I think he hits a glitch where he wants to make a play even when there isn't one there, and his run instinct is late to kick in from time to time.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

dude has been clutch in the 4th quarter lately.

5 4th quarter game winning drives.

11-7 as a starter.

Not throwing it all over the field but that Pickens connection is real.

1. Mahomes
2. Allen
3. Purdy
4. Tua
5. Hurts

Josh Allen still has some truly shit games.

>Josh Allen still has some truly shit games.

I wanted to Purdy hasn’t lost a game but how many games has he played?

Mahomes
Allen
Hurts
Lamar
Purdy


I can't put Brock ahead of Hurts

Also Lamar still Lamar out there making those throws. His receivers are just a bunch of stone hands for the most part

he keeping it in the road and making the plays thats there but it's not on his shoulders like these other guys. i need to see him put some games on his back when the defense aint getting it done and their incredible skill players are getting neutralized

1. Hurts
2. Purdy
3. Tua
4. Mahomes
5. Allen

Mahomes Burrow Tua Lamar Hurts

Mahomes - I'm tired of his jackass interceptions, but he acts a fool for like a month every season. And his WRs don't look like those dudes at all. But I trust him to figure it out and have KC all up in the mix like always.

Burrow - The man BE making throws and febrezing some shaky coaching and offensive line play. His bad Septembers are not kewl, but once he's on, its pretty clearly on. He's still a dream on 3rd downs and again...some of the throws he HITS are repeatable and hard af to stop.

Tua - Please stay healthy! Please! Let me see a whole season of this cool fit between coaching philosophy and personnel! Please! Hell, I'll be greedy here: give me this left-handed Brees shit for like a decade. I'll take it!

Lamar - The media hates it and he got paid with his mama as his agent and made himself even mo money. But fuck that...the brother is out there making throws. Some of the 'metrics' are starting to telling the same story on him too. If cats quit dropping the mfin ball, whooo ride. And he's still a problem when he's cut loose in the open field. He's not shiny or new anymore. But he's still here and someone is going to have to beat him. It might be his own wack ass team but still!

Hurts - He's still a party. He has a play that mainly works because of him that's so good that people are trying to outlaw it..like trying to stop Wilt from dunking and shit. That's gotta count for something! And he is STILL making deep killer throws all over the field. He's still elusive and will break a tackle when he tucks and runs. He hasn't been perfect with the new OC but I buy it with him. Dude went from being banished from Bama for Tua to being THIS. I like it. I love it. I want some more of it.

A couple more:

Josh Allen..arm talent is still out of this world. The throw this last week to the 3rd tight end who hadn't had a catch this year? BONKERS. And he's starting to get his turnover situation under control but its not nothing. I seem to hear a lot about that issue with Dak. JA is right there with Dak in that regard. I want him to run less so we get more time with him in the league. I'm looking right at Cam and Luck here. Just because you're big doesn't mean getting your ass knocked off half a dozen times a week is what you want.

Purdy is friggin good enough and that's cool even if the pundits don't want to admit it cuz of his warts in college or whatever. At his best, he sure seems like the ideal of a lot of the smaller/not physically special QBs who have gotten hot at various times over the last decade. I buy that he mostly makes good AND FAST decisions and that's all he needs most weeks. I hope he keeps it going cuz more good QBs is good for the game.

And honestly he's been elite going back to the middle of last year. Again, I don't think he's top 5 because I can't argue to knock down any of the above QBs. But RIGHT TODAY????? Goff might be #6.

..cause I don't recall anything about Goff's game/stats ever coming close to elite in any category.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

Gift’s last 17 games had him at 29 TDs, 4 interceptions, just under 70% completion percentage and 5000 yards with the Lions at 13-4 during that 17 game stretch. For this season, including yesterdays game in which he and the rest of the Lions for blew out, he’s top. 5 in QBR and yards. Also at the time I posted it he’d just come off of a near perfect game at Tampa Bay in which he was absolutely making elite throws and decisions the entire game.

Again, I don’t think he’s top 5, but he’s in that 6-10 area and as of my post “RIGHT TODAY” which was “RIGHT LAST WEEK” at the time he was playing at an elite level.

..thank you for clearing that up. lol


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

thats a fact, no matter what your personal evaluation is

coming out of his hand wobbly, or slipping out altogether

we got lucky (at the time, the beatdown after made it irrelevant) when they ruled some turfed screen pass as incomplete, but it looked to me like the ball was slipping out of his hand already and he just pushed it at the ground

idk if he jammed his finger during the week or something, but he seemed to have a lot of trouble getting a grip on the ball