Embiid cleared concussion protocols, upgraded to doubtful/game-time decision.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

Paul has 7 TOs

Dude is like that Utah series wasn’t a fluke.

This guy is insufferable. His overstating commentary and waspy tone make
watching this game completely unenjoyable. For a guy who used to play the game,
he just sounds so unnatural and generic talking about the game.

“He took some umbrage with that.”....He took umbrage with that.
JJ tries way too hard.


Bring in Doris Burke!

..'cause he used the word "umbrage" instead of "offense?"

LOL.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

He is far from articulate, which is why I repeated his statement

He stated “ he took some umbrage to/with that” as if he were
taking a burger with a side of fries. It made zero sense. It’s akin
to saying “ He took some offense to that.”

It’s “he took umbrage to/with that”. He was trying way too hard to sound
articulate thus sounding inarticulate.

He thinks he is the smartest guy in the room, but he isn’t, then on top
of that he is very arrogant and spews horrible basketball takes.
I didn’t like him as player, and he is insufferable as a person.

He was a prick at Duke ( his words), and a loser as a NBA player( choking clippers),
and is an obnoxious, arrogant prick as an analyst.

His idiotic takes on NBA basketball legends who played before the 1980s
illustrate that he knows absolutely nothing about the history of the game.

And he becomes agitated and displeased when people don’t agree with him.

Fock that dude.

>His idiotic takes on NBA basketball legends who played before
>the 1980s
>illustrate that he knows absolutely nothing about the history
>of the game.
>
>And he becomes agitated and displeased when people don’t
>agree with him.
>
>Fock that dude.

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2764593&mesg_id=2764593&page=#2764642

Particularly in this context.

It’s a simple, straight-forward word, used in a plainly spoken and easily understandable context.

Nothing about even remotely comes across as “trying”, as it came across naturally.

You’re just an app around buffoon with incredibly stupid takes formed through simplistic reasoning.

That, and you’re that he served up that caricature Mad Doggy Dogg over his L-Stah grade Bob Cousy take😂

had nothing to do with you. You wear your inferiority complex well, and you
lack the ability to comprehend the English language. The post wasn’t about
you, nor was it geared towards you.

And as usual, you have nothing but juvenile insults to type. On other message
boards, you would have been banned by now. Say what you want about my takes,
but I don’t verbally attack users. You do.

His usage of the word umbrage in itself wasn’t the problem. The problem was his
usage of the word in a sentence. His sentence was grammatical incorrect.

I would appreciate it if you don’t interact with me.

>His usage of the word umbrage in itself wasn’t the problem.
>The problem was his
>usage of the word in a sentence. His sentence was grammatical
>incorrect.

............WHAT?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

>I would appreciate it if you don’t interact with me.

Oh shut up

Consistently hitting big shots and having big games in the playoffs.

curious to see/hear what happened tonight, couple of surprises even allowing Dallas and Philly are good enough to take a game in a series


What little I gleaned made them both look somewhat decisive rather than lucky or an off night for the other guy, but I dunno yet


~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

Can't just throw him back in the starting lineup first game back from a hammy
Bam turtled
and Herro was off

I didn't really think the 6ers did anything that different
Having Jo back affected the previous easy baskets

But <80pts... a lot of that felt like an off night for MIA
Compounded by the MVP's return...and he didn't have a dominant game really...
MIA just put up a dud IMO.

Danny Green put up a season and career playoff high in points... pretty much sums it up

>
>Danny Green put up a season and career playoff high in
>points... pretty much sums it up

Green and Niang finally hit some shots last night. Even Matisse scored.

Obviously not his best game last night, dealing with the injuries and getting his wind back but his presence alone changes everything-offensively and defensively.

>

all series.

hmmmm.

that doesn't seem very likely.

when someone from your team was shooting FTs

he had a great game tonight, though.

aggressive on offense. did his job being the primary defender on jah (for what that's worth). he was the main defender before they went zone.

dude is ridic, tho.


and kept active on the boards as well as hustle plays.
peace & blessings,

x.

www.twitter.com/poetx

=========================================
I'm an advocate for working smarter, not harder. If you just
focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
not having much to show for it. (c) mad

Watching on my damn phone tonight. At a wedding

I have nothing to add in other words lol

most of these shots is wide naked open

Lol my friends saw them all over the town turning up

I immediately put 250 on GSW tonight

Easy money

>most of these shots is wide naked open

>Lol my friends saw them all over the town turning up

This series over in 5


>>Lol my friends saw them all over the town turning up
>
>

Vs the best team in the WCF

…but they’re young . It’s expected

I’m sure all that 1942 was real helpful

>
>I’m sure all that 1942 was real helpful

I don’t even know what you’re talking about at this point

1942 with sparklers = grizzlies tequila of choice (the night before a playoff game 😂 )

If you’re having trouble difficulty grasping that, there isn’t much I can do for you

>1942 with sparklers = grizzlies tequila of choice (the
>night before a playoff game 😂 )
>
>If you’re having trouble difficulty grasping that, there
>isn’t much I can do for you

But Ja played great, Bane played better, JJJ was trash in Memphis and SD, Dillon was out, anything you take from a night out is a hot take.

They’re young dudes, they’re going to go out. Were they doing excessive tequila shots? They had the Saturday Night game so whatever time the got in shouldn’t have been an issues.

It’s just sportswriter hot take narratives.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CdQrllEjadB/

>https://www.instagram.com/p/CdQrllEjadB/

You cant treat a trip out to the Warriors like a regular season road trip in January. Them boys look sluggish and unfocused from the get go last night

This is about the best we can hope from you

Which round did you have us losing in again?

Get some rest, you gotta rewatch the game later to share your breakdown with all your Reddit buddies 😂

Edit, cyren …he initiated it 🤷🏽‍♂️,

>This is about the best we can hope from you
>
>Which round did you have us losing in again?

them wide open shots gonna be there throughout the series.

role players tend to play better and shoot better at home.

regression to the mean for warriors stars plus the home court effect for the role players made it a pretty hot night, shooting. (that's not to say that memphis' defense has to be way better).

brooks was out. yeah. but gsw didn't have a problem w/ him in game 1, so that ain't really an excuse.


peace & blessings,

x.

www.twitter.com/poetx

=========================================
I'm an advocate for working smarter, not harder. If you just
focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
not having much to show for it. (c) mad

been killing them in points in the paint too.

all 3 games.

basically if the warriors just shot anywhere near what they were capable of...this series wouldnt even be competitive.

first 6 mins of the game, Memphis couldn't miss.

Warriors have rarely missed since.

peace & blessings,

x.

www.twitter.com/poetx

=========================================
I'm an advocate for working smarter, not harder. If you just
focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
not having much to show for it. (c) mad

He is truly a two-way player, who can do it all. I remember when he got drafted
by Cleveland, and they treated him like a disease before they traded him. He was
on ESPN, and he had no idea where he was going to play. Cleveland took his jersey
off their website, and they weren’t really communicating with him. He looked totally
miserable.

He was scapegoated in Minnesota, and was constantly being berated by critics.

Kid never said anything. He maintained his composure, and just played basketball.
He comes from a great family, and you never hear anything bad about him
on or off the court.

Now everyone is on the bozack. I wouldn’t mind seeing Wiggins win a chip.

That seemingly few people want to acknowledge

Especially not on a sports board lol

for ja being injured.

here's the play they said ja got injured on.
https://twitter.com/RTNBA/status/1523142380802953216

meph coach comments.
https://twitter.com/NBCSWarriors/status/1523142621379670017

ja tweeted this and deleted it (with the video from above).
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSNRnhAaQAIm5cL?format=jpg&name=large

but it looks like ja got injured here on the knee to knee contact with klay.
https://twitter.com/ClutchPointsApp/status/1523145918672822273

he clearly started limping and hopping after that.

prolly played through it for a while and the injury just got worse.

I mean whether he was injured then and there we’ll never know, but it would definitely seem Poole grabs the knee intentionally and also pushes Ja’s back forward at the same time

https://twitter.com/GoIdenState/status/1523150454225772544

whatever happened to jas knee...i dont think that play by poole was intentional. i think he was reaching for the ball to pull it away....caught the leg by mistake and let go.

https://twitter.com/fakelogic/status/1523180868012892160

if dude really tweeked your knee...id think you would show some sort reaction to the pain.

That’s obviously just an incidental play on the ball

Poole bangs his knee (accidentally) into the side of Morant's knee while his leg is planted right before the leg "grab."

a lot of doctors on Twitter pointing to THAT being the cause of the injury based on how the Memphis doctors were examining Ja's knee - which definitely makes more sense.

either way, this whole thing was just some fluke basketball shit and Taylor Jenkins and Ja need to shut up.

JJJ said nah it wasn't dirty and he knows Poole personally.

I did love the shot Klay took at Memphis in the post game about all of this:

"I don't even think he's strong enough to affect somebody's knee. We're not out there trying to hurt people, or trying to club people in the back of the head on a fast break."

I love Klay so much. He's a real one.

compare that to how ja reacted when he banged knees with klay.

he was clearly feeling whatever effects that had on his knee.

that whole sequence with poole...the bump and the grab...he pretty much just blew it off.

first of all, poole is ALREADY reaching for the ball when Morant moves his leg which causes Poole's hand to grab his leg instead of for the ball.

two, no nba player has the thought to go "you know what, lemme grab this guys knee and try to wrench it into an injury." on top of that, even if there was a quintillion chance that such a thought could be had in that moment, it's HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHLY unlikely you'd even injury the guy doing THAT. it's not like he put him in a figure four leg lock, LOL.

anyone thinking this is intentional is grasping at straws.

it was incidental contact and Ja was hurt before that anyway. a doctor checking your knee out has more on it than what Poole did just touching it.

https://twitter.com/DrGuru_/status/1523107603983003648

bane dove straight into pooles legs *away* from the ball.

also, another point towards what i said above about some of the calls in this series.

I usually root for upstart underdogs, but fuck that team.

>I usually root for upstart underdogs, but fuck that team.

All these narratives about the refs, or “they cheated” or “they hurt me on purpose” is making me watch hockey.

And in the other series - Smart fucking sucks and would’ve missed anyway - stop playing for fouls - hate that scrubby shit. The Celtics lost because Tatum got locked.

>All these narratives about the refs, or “they cheated” or
>“they hurt me on purpose” is making me watch hockey.
>
>And in the other series - Smart fucking sucks and would’ve
>missed anyway - stop playing for fouls - hate that scrubby
>shit. The Celtics lost because Tatum got locked.
>
>
>

That Grizz team took the Warriors 6 games and Conleys face was broken in half.

Warriors are about to gentleman sweep them bc Ja can't restrain himself from asking for extra limes and salt the night before a playoff game

Dubs in 5

when they got blown out by 30.

now its twitter threads and conspiracy theories.

they do cool dances when they beat the Minnesota Timberwolves though!

>they do cool dances when they beat the Minnesota Timberwolves
>though!

Lol , reminds me of Westbrick in OKC with those pre game routines

No wonder he doesn’t know how to carry himself in this league when some adversity hits.

What cornball is still saying that shit😂

he’s faking it, hopefully he recovers enough to be effective for the next game

WTF kind of call was that?

Like dude, just get the ball up the court. You're in foul trouble to start an entire half, the plays like that need to be put away.

Good. Choke job number 6 coming right up.

>Good. Choke job number 6 coming right up.

The level he takes these guys to is really something to see. These Mavs looks like those mid 2000s Cavs teams where it was like Lebron and a bunch of 10 day contract types who were overachieving.

If your second best player is Jalen Brunson, and your third best is... who, Dorian Finney-Smith? lmao

It's unreal.

he should be the Lakers coach

and even talked about it in the press.

Luka came with more of a defensive effort in these last two games.

He developed Giannis, now he is developing Luka.

>he should be the Lakers coach

looks like he's good with where he's at.

Brunson is a 2-time ncaa champion, and has always been skilled. Dimwiddie was
close to 20/10 when he was running the show with Levert in Brooklyn. This team is way
more talented than those Cleveland teams, and Tim Hardaway is out injured.


What has been proven is that when Luka SHARES the ball his teammates produce.
His how usage rate was a problem which Kidd said he would fix and he has. The
first two games his usage rate was bonkers and he was shooting too much, and they
lost those games.

5 or 6 guys that can get you 15-20 but you don't know who so its hard to game plan for that.

Luka will get his but he will also find open people. If he gives a little more effort on D they will be tough.

Especially that finals team in 2007. They were ranked what? 5th in the regular season in team defense. 2nd during the playoffs? These weren't scrubs LeBron dragged from hell to the finals.

And a *bunch* of that was how much of the offense Bron carried.

Second best player was Larry Hughes. Third best was... Drew Gooden?

Yeah. That's an insanely overachieving roster. The vast majority of teams that are below average in offense do not *remotely* make it that far.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Cleveland_Cavaliers/5/Rosters/Playoff/2007

Wtf? This is literally one of those daily fantasy rosters where you blow your whole
Budget on Mahomes then your number one receiver is Hunter Renfrow

over some of the other teams in the East.

Except... LeBron.

Their offense wasn't even at the level of their competition. However, that's back when the NBA valued defense.

We have to stop with this dumb narrative that it's Luka or Lebron and a bunch of bums. Mavs have BALLERS. They are sharp shooters, not some G league players. Luka learned to let them cook and not go one on one all day.

smh
https://twitter.com/mcten/status/1523451787876835328?t=AuGfzU6vqpbmajgF9bQrCw&s=19

Wish their was video. Now says they tried to give unwanted hugs. Only video is 15 year old kid and his mom getting escorted out wit CP3 yelling at the kid he will see him later. They gone til 2023 now tho, white and rich probably with those seats.

Danny Green with another big game. Embiid hasn’t really been himself since he’s come back but his presence alone changes everything on both sides of the court.

https://twitter.com/NBAMemes/status/1523348592374689792?s=20&t=acfR6ENJ2dv8J7nRS34NDw

I was just stating that he is always locked and loaded for anyone who
comes at him on Twitter.

All the Thunder guys were in the locker room or maybe a hot tub after a game , everyone has ice on. Perk’s both knees are wrapped in ice, and he’d DNPd that game. Cracked me up.

i hope the warriors dont sleep on em and get blindsided.

I think you could just as easily say you hope the Grizz don't look at all their success without Ja and expect they can recreate it in game 4 of a semifinal with the snap of a finger after losing by 30


As a fan it's a hope of mine (even wanting the Warriors to win this series overall) but I think the Grizz were already losing the mental side of the series before ruling Ja out. Game 4 could easily be a blood bath, particularly given Ja has been the heart of this series without question.


~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

But it's a different ballgame in the playoffs especially against a deep with the experience of the Warriors.

This will not go well.

Looking for a classic minor adjustment that lights a spark under one or two guys or maybe just makes the game feel a little different?


Since Game 4 of the Hawks series Herro has been really up and down, and even in his better games point wise it hasn't necessarily been because his three is falling. I know the +/- specifically on defense is what is but might there be some minutes between Herro, Strus and Oladipo that the Heat could roll the dice on a spark plug performance from Robinson?


After these two games, even both being in Philly, I think they have to accept Embiid returning and not being noticeably affected by a damn fractured face and limited vision and accept some things need to change. The other thing that seems more obvious but maybe actually harder to implement is to stop fronting Embiid like mad men. Kenny smartly pointed out that the 76ers are pretty embarrassing on entry passes half the time but when you've got Embiid on Oladipo or Butler's back off a switch with a clear lob path to the basket 10 or 15 times a game you can't be happy with how that looks even if the 76ers might be uniquely equipped to fail at capitalizing on it.



As for PHX-DAL, feels like a classic 2-2 home and home situation in a semifinal so far. Gotta see one of these teams take a game on the road as we always say 'bout this time, and until then if I'm the Suns I'm not panicking at all. Luka had awesome performances and that crowd gets incredibly lit when he's in his pocket like that, plus you just can't expect Paul to keep being as bad as he's been the past two games...right? I think these two games also help them realize that, like Longo said, there's two or three guys who can legitimately keep pace with Luka on offense and they've really gotta figure out a way to push the Mavs into the middle of the floor more where their size is more of a problem for those sidekicks.



~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

went from starting to not even in the rotation, at least he got his money

6 3s
...and a catch a shoot too...
Blew by his defender
Finished at the rim
Played great D
Even the misses... weren't coming up short

It's obvious dude is playing through an injury

If he is close to mended...I like our chances

B/W Lowry should not be on the court, let alone starting
He grabbed his hammy on uncontested layup
and spent the 2nd half limping up and down the court
Wouldn't be surprised if his hammy is worse now.

We're gonna need one of those rare raucous miami crowds for some extra lift.. (instead of our usual tepid arrive-midway-thru-2Q crowds)

Just hoping he continues to get a little healthier and a little healthier. Obviously game 5 is a huge game.

https://twitter.com/kendra__andrews/status/1523453568258240512

all that whining and no specific/serious injury?

https://twitter.com/NotoriousOHM/status/1523752023371304960

if there really is an injury there...its prolly something that would indicate he most likely got hurt on some other motion than the jordan poole thing.

It's because either he's playing or they don't want to disclose that it clearly didn't happen in the Poole "incident".

Or both.

Fuckery.

>they don't want to
>disclose that it clearly didn't happen in the Poole
>"incident".

they backed themselves into a corner and gotta save face now.

with betting and just the general trend towards transparency of information/data in sports entertainment...im surprised the nba hasnt already tightened up the injury report rules (like the nfl).

pretty common practice?

suns got fined 20k for not giving accurate updates on Booker's hammy.

belichick is famous for playing mind games with injury reports.

isn't the idea, don't let the opponent know so that they have to split resources preparing for both scenarios? ja in, ja not in. divides the film work.

they shouldn't have blamed poole, that was wrong. but being secretive about an injury is nothing new

I mean, I kinda get it - it's a competitive advantage and teams can afford to throw money at being slapped on the wrist for it.

But in blaming Jordan Poole - they really did kinda double down on it happening there, and if the actual injury all but confirms that the injury occurred elsewhere, then they all look pretty bad. Including Ja himself with his "broke the code" bullshit.

is definitively going to prove or disprove whether it happened on the Poole play. it's not like his right knee hurts because he sprained his thumb. his right knee is injured, Poole (inadvertently) tugged on that knee. maybe if it was a patella bruise from banging it closing out on Klay, that would make your point?

Depending on what the injury is - and where on the knee it is, it could potentially rule out the injury happening on the play with Poole. And if THAT is the case, then Memphis and Ja look pretty stupid and have him out with injury.

Then again, it could just be gamesmanship.

Who knows.

dude was limping crazy

yeah, would be downright hilarious.

Because that is what makes it funny.

I’m really lost here.

He’s on the Bucks.

C’s should win it.

I associate that word with like Kyrie playing his old team or something like that.

mike brown will take over.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1523820136263729152

crazy.

dude was just doing press a few hours ago.

Hopefully that bodes well for the team not having anything but yeesh.

This is so incredible


~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

the refs def done fucked up some important calls here and there...but overall i like how theyre letting these dudes bang.

They’re tough as nails man

I came in wanting a Finals rematch and now I want Warriors v Celtics more than Suns v Bucks

But it’s pretty cool watching Jayson Tatum emerge as a top 5

I know Adam silver crying / mad af that lakers and nets aren’t competing though…ratings might have been record setting had they both performed up to expectation

>They’re tough as nails man
>
>I came in wanting a Finals rematch and now I want Warriors v
>Celtics more than Suns v Bucks

I don't think I've ever actually heard him speak

edit, KD knew how dumb those comments were tho and chastised him for it publicly

What a game. Every series is gonna go 7 except grizzlies warriors


>Embiid cleared concussion protocols, upgraded to
>doubtful/game-time decision.
>
>
>*skatin' the rings of saturn*
>
>
>..and miles to go before i sleep...

this one could get interesting.

Every game. Every year. Just absolutely ridiculous turnovers. It's never gotten better.

That was the difference. He has to score at least 20. In the games they won,
he scored 25 points. Giannis is going to be Giannis. If Jrue can’t consistently
score, then Milwaukee will not win the series.

theres a reason they held that nigga out of both playoff matchups (til tonight).

i musta missed it.

Not sure how I got that wrong. Coulda sworn it was a concussion or something.

>
>

this scrub dont ever play why is he playing big ass minutes rn. Mike Brown aint really making himself look good w/ this rotation

it's one thing if steph and klay are missing, but where's all the usualy shit they run to get them open and leave back cuts and pick and rolls for everyone else?

They are just inexperienced. That’s what lost it for them.

He’s killing it for them in critical situations

nvm got my answer.

dude started and played like 5 mins. then got buried on the bench.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSX1h6SVIAAGm5i?format=jpg&name=medium

I have to think Kerr was at home yelling at the screen.

is there no way that Kerr can coach remotely?

cuz i was like "did Kuminga ever get back in the game after that initial short stint?" pretty sure he didn't. that shit didn't make NO sense.

i assume the game is in 2 or 3 days. that would seem like a quick turnaround.

https://twitter.com/espn/status/1524147791228022785

obviously got injured on knee to knee contact (like the play closing out on klay).

Probably not, because Jenkins is a whiny shit.

shot.
https://twitter.com/NotoriousOHM/status/1523889143209627648

chaser.
https://twitter.com/NotoriousOHM/status/1524122834120757249

in that situation

way to reckless for his body he has D.Rose 2.0 written all over him for multiple reasons, he was either going to have to change his game or have it changed for him

Is this your MVP?

Like I said earlier, they gotta stop fronting so much and dude has been riding his back all game.

Spo outcoaching Doc but what else is new

~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

..in other words: no excuses.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

Over-dribbling until the shot clock is low, not aggressive on offense, getting bullied on defense, etc etc

https://twitter.com/LilTunechi/status/1523404697289199616

https://twitter.com/Joshimpressions/status/1523471328577462272

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1524256568287580162

in the gym parking lot, at this:
https://twitter.com/mintymcgee/status/1524258521268772865?t=r4kcYXbaZu7DIzj_blzw2A&s=19

i love how much players clown and talk shit nowadays.

everybody flails and reacts from the slightest contact to get the review and potential flagrant call

>everybody flails and reacts from the slightest contact to get
>the review and potential flagrant call

instead of getting back on defense...resulting in a 5 on 4 and either a trip to the free-throw line or a transition basket.

Tonight during a playoff game, take a shot of something every time that happens and let me know how you're doing by halftime.

Lying on the floor long after some real contact (whether you are exaggerating or not) is whatever. But the flailing and complaining foh.

I remember reffing a youth league game and this short 12 year old was literally throwing himself on the floor on drive. It sucked bc sometimes he was actually fouled and i blew the whistle even though he's throwing himself around like a fool. He did it one time and he had to be helped off the floor. Not sure what he even hurt, but no one touched him. His dad tried to run up on me threatening me and shit too. aight.

But yeah, seeing grown ass 6'10 dudes flailing around like jackasses is a damn shame.

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/33887775/which-current-nba-players-outperformed-underperformed-draft-experts-projections


>Which current NBA players outperformed or underperformed draft experts' projections?

Former lottery picks Jarrett Culver (left) and Trae Young help illustrate the difficulty of projecting future NBA stardom. Dale Zanine-USA TODAY Sports
May 10, 2022
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It should go without saying that the evaluation of NBA prospects is something less than an exact science. A number of factors can cause a player to either outperform or underperform relative to their NBA projection, and each of the league's 30 teams and their increasingly robust scouting and analytics staffs understand that this notion comes with the territory.

The unknown of future health is always a variable, while factors ranging from "late bloomer" status to "bad NBA team fit" issues to "combine warrior" realities can change the trajectory of a player's pro career immeasurably. ESPN's team of Jonathan Givony, Mike Schmitz and Kevin Pelton all conduct an exhaustive degree of evaluation and/or data analysis to help mitigate those unknowns -- but any NBA analyst worth their salt will tell you there are no guarantees. And any credible NBA draft analyst must own the misses. With that in mind, Givony, Schmitz and Pelton all identified recent NBA draft picks about whom they were wrong, laying out the factors that led to the errant projections -- both on the positive and negative sides of the ledger:


Rated too low

Jalen Brunson was a megstar at Villanova but slipped to the second round. AP Photo/Chris Szagola
Jalen Brunson | 2018 draft: No. 33 (Dallas Mavericks)

Everything about Brunson's résumé leading up to the 2018 draft screamed stardom. He was a five-star recruit after leading the Nike EYBL in assists and winning the MVP of the FIBA U19 World Cup (over Jayson Tatum), one of two gold medals he won with USA Basketball. He won two national championships at Villanova and was named the NCAA's National Player of the Year and Big East Player of the Year. He was an ultra-efficient scorer (60% 2P%, 41% 3P%) who played strong defense and almost never turned the ball over. But we didn't believe it, and neither did NBA teams judging by the fact that Brunson fell to the second round.

Brunson's arms weren't very long. He was only 6-foot-1. He had a pudgy frame. He was too slow. He didn't have a very explosive first step. He didn't show much wiggle with the ball. He played a bully-ball-style power game that wasn't all that aesthetically pleasing to watch. He had only seven dunks and made seven floaters in 116 college games. Analytics models hated the fact that he posted only one block in his entire college career, and very few rebounds and steals.

Would he be able to stay in front of NBA point guards with a 6-3 wingspan, a bad body and lack of lateral quickness? So much of his offense came in the post -- could he get by anyone in the NBA? Were his assist numbers mostly a product of Villanova's system? How would any of it translate, and if it didn't, how much would he actually improve considering he'd turn 22 two months after the draft?

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It all turned out to be utter nonsense, which became apparent very quickly in the NBA, where Brunson became a starter and major contributor as a rookie, despite being "already" 22. Brunson continued to improve in each of his four seasons in the NBA thus far, and is currently in the midst of a stellar playoffs. He kept the Mavs afloat with Luka Doncic out because of injury in the first round, scoring 41 points in one game against Utah, and has played a huge role in Dallas tying the conference semifinal series with Phoenix at 2-2.

Brunson has improved his body to become one of the most efficient pick-and-roll guards in the league, his floater is elite, and he's one of the best off-the-dribble shooters in the NBA. His ability to play on or off the ball alongside Doncic is a huge key to the Mavs' success. While he's still not the most explosive guard around -- his four total dunks this season rank 350th in the NBA, per Synergy -- he gets where he wants on the floor thanks to his handle, pace and strength, finishes extremely well around the basket, and more than holds his own defensively, especially off the ball.

The lesson we should learn from Brunson's misevaluation as a draft prospect? Don't dismiss ultraproductive, ultraconfident winners like him so easily, especially those who are deadeye off-the-dribble shooters like he was in college. -- Givony


Shai Gilgeous-Alexander did not necessarily project as a franchise cornerstone during his career at Kentucky. Kevin C. Cox/Getty Images
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander | 2018 draft: No. 11 (Charlotte Hornets)

I had Gilgeous-Alexander 14th in my subjective rankings ahead of the 2018 draft, three spots lower than he was actually taken and four spots lower than SGA ranked among all players under 25 in our most recent rankings with Mike and Bobby Marks.

Although Gilgeous-Alexander's stats in his one season at Kentucky were certainly not bad, neither did they scream future star. He ranked 20th in my consensus projections and 37th in the stats-only version. However, a Wildcats team with limited floor spacing (Kevin Knox was the only UK starter to make even one 3-pointer per game and frontcourt starters Nick Richards and P.J. Washington combined to make just five 3s) didn't allow SGA to take full advantage of his quickness and playmaking.

This was a case in which Jonathan and Mike had a clear advantage thanks to scouting Gilgeous-Alexander back to the youth level. Mike was especially high on SGA, and it took me about five minutes watching him in a different setting at NBA summer league to see why. Gilgeous-Alexander was instantly successful as a rookie on a competitive LA Clippers team and now looks like a future star for the Oklahoma City Thunder.

Although the challenge of limited floor spacing for super-quick guards is a universal one in college hoops, it's one that seems especially important to understand when scouting perimeter prospects from Kentucky -- many of whom have outperformed their projections in the pros. -- Pelton


Questions about Trae Young's durability on both ends of the floor followed him into the draft. Rob Ferguson/USA TODAY Sports
Trae Young | 2018 draft: No. 5 (Dallas Mavericks -- dealt to Atlanta Hawks)

Young has been my biggest scouting miss to date. It's not that I didn't think he'd be a productive NBA player, but I surely didn't see him ranking sixth in the NBA in scoring and second in assists on a playoff team at just 23 years old, one year removed from an Eastern Conference semifinal run. I preferred fiery Alabama guard Collin Sexton to Oklahoma's Young leading up to the 2018 NBA draft, projecting Sexton as a two-way contributor, and had concerns about the Sooners star's lack of defensive impact and ball-dominant style. Although Sexton was no slouch in his third NBA season prior to dealing with injuries in Year 4, that was clearly an inaccurate forecast and one that I think about quite often when evaluating the next crop of prospects.

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Even after lighting college basketball on fire with deep 3s and one-handed dimes, Young had no shortage of skeptics. And it is still valid to question if Young can be the centerpiece of a championship-caliber team, especially when you look at the level of defensive versatility necessary to make a deep playoff run -- see Boston Celtics. The Miami Heat threw the kitchen sink at Young, limiting him to 15.4 points, 6.0 assists and 6.0 turnovers through 5 games, as he looked worn down from the length, physicality and aggression. The Hawks also ranked 26th in defensive rating this season. But even with those pre-draft questions still slightly lingering in some corners of the NBA, Young is clearly far better than I anticipated, as his supreme skill level, never-ending confidence and ability to spray the ball all over the floor to open teammates should have him in the All-Star conversation every season despite lacking the size and length scouts traditionally look for in a modern lead guard.

So how do we avoid this mistake moving forward? Some prospects are simply so special offensively that you're willing to live with some of the defensive mistakes. Among those special talents, those who can really facilitate and keep their teammates happy lessen the blow on defense and make the swing worth taking in the draft.

Although he plays a completely different position and physical profile, I think about Trae Young in comparison to Duke star Paolo Banchero, another unique offensive talent with the ability to create offense at 6-foot-10, 250 pounds like no one else in this draft. The fact that Banchero can really pass on the move unlike any of the other top-pick contenders will allow the team that drafts him to play through him, and will keep his teammates relatively happy even if he misses a defensive rotation or two. While I still tend to favor two-way players with positional length in my projections, I've learned from Young that some offensive talents are worth the swing, especially when they have a few unique traits. -- Schmitz

Rated too high

Jarrett Culver's dominance against top teams like Duke perhaps led to him becoming overrated with scouts. Lance King/Getty Images
Jarrett Culver | 2019 draft: No. 6 (Phoenix Suns)

It was difficult not to be enamored with the intriguing combination of versatility, youth and productivity Culver displayed as a sophomore, when he helped Texas Tech to the brink of a national championship. The Big 12 player of the year and a second-team All-American, Culver basically did everything for the Red Raiders, averaging 23.4 points, 8.1 rebounds, 4.7 assists and 1.8 steals per 40 minutes, pace adjusted, making him a darling of analytics models and traditional scouts alike. Culver was a 6-foot-7, long-armed, 20-year-old wing who defended all over the floor and shouldered significant playmaking responsibility for one of the best teams in college basketball, making him a lock as a top-10 pick on draft night.

But Culver has more or less fallen flat on his face in three NBA seasons, seeing his minutes drop every year to the point that he played in just 39 games this season, mostly coming in garbage time. He has appeared overwhelmed in those minutes, struggling to beat opponents off the dribble, looking incredibly indecisive when left open from the perimeter and hitting under 50% of his free throw attempts in three seasons, a sign of how damaged his confidence is at this point.

Looking back on Culver's film, there are some obvious red flags we can identify. He shot 12-of-78 (28%) from the field in four NCAA tournament games against high-major competition, including just 3-of-22 (14%) from beyond the arc. He noticeably struggled getting by opponents with his underwhelming first step and was extremely streaky when shooting from beyond the arc.

Texas Tech often slid Culver to power forward as games went on and used him in the mid-, high- and low-post to cut down on the amount of dribbles he'd need to collapse the defense and use his excellent playmaking ability to find open shooters or cutters in their motion offense. The Red Raiders won games off their No. 1-ranked defense, in which Culver played a major role, not their methodical offense, of which he was their unquestioned go-to guy.

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Still, Culver flashed enough promise on offense to turn a blind eye to the fact that he lacked explosiveness to be a primary playmaking hub in the NBA, and was nowhere near a good enough shooter to be effective in an off-ball role (28% 3P in the NBA), sporting a slow release. He came up huge in many key moments, icing a Final Four win with a gutsy pull-up 3-pointer against Michigan, and scoring the would-be go-ahead basket in the national championship on an iso spin-move lefty layup out of a clear-out against De'Andre Hunter and Virginia. He dropped 25 points on No. 1 ranked Duke at Madison Square Garden, rising up for tough shot after tough shot off the bounce. He hit 45% of his 3-pointers in the first two months of the season and 38% as a freshman, causing many scouts to wave away his 25% 3-point shooting in his final 25 games as a sophomore as a product of Texas Tech's offense, as we already earmarked him for stardom by the time January rolled around.

Culver never played a minute of summer league as a draft-day trade took more than two weeks to get consummated. The nine-month pandemic layoff from March to December in 2020 probably didn't help matters, and he has had some minor injuries as well. Culver was too high of a draft pick to be sent to the G League to regain his confidence, and the Timberwolves ended up trading him to Memphis, one of the deepest teams in the NBA, which promptly declined his $8.1 million team option, making him an unrestricted free agent this summer. With his size, passing and defensive versatility, there are still outlines of a potential NBA player here if he can regain his confidence, especially considering he's only 23-years old, and there will surely be teams lining up this summer to offer him a small, team-friendly deal to see if he can rediscover the potential that made him such a high draft pick just three years ago.

Culver's struggles transitioning from college basketball stardom to functional NBA player are a reminder of how difficult the draft can be to project, and why context is so important in evaluating prospects. Had he not been the playmaking hub of an elite defensive team that instilled unlimited offensive confidence in him and allowed him to play to his strengths, he likely never becomes a top-10 pick. -- Givony


Sekou Doumbouya oozed upside that he could never quite deliver on at the NBA level. Patrick Albertini/EB/Getty Images
Sekou Doumbouya | 2019 draft: No. 15 (Detroit Pistons)

Doumbouya is an illustration of the limits of youth when it comes to potential, particularly for international prospects. Doumbouya rated third in my 2019 consensus projections, behind only top-two picks Zion Williamson and Ja Morant, in large part because Doumbouya wouldn't turn 19 for another six months. Doumbouya had played decently in the French Pro A league and EuroCup competition given his age, providing decent minutes off the bench, but he wasn't nearly as accomplished when he entered the league as the European prospects who have become stars in the NBA.

Although I wasn't subjectively quite as high on Doumbouya as the projections, putting him behind RJ Barrett and Darius Garland as well as Culver, I still had him ahead of the likes of Brandon Clarke, De'Andre Hunter and Tyler Herro. As those players are playing key roles in the playoffs, Doumbouya is out of the league entirely, having been traded by the Detroit Pistons to the Brooklyn Nets last summer in a salary-related move and subsequently waived. His time as a two-way player with the Los Angeles Lakers ended in March.

Still just 21, Doumbouya could eventually become an NBA contributor. However, he certainly wasn't a top-10 prospect like I thought three years ago. In the future, I'll want to see a little more proven performance before rating a prospect that high almost entirely on the basis of youth. -- Pelton


Deni Avdija can still become a significant NBA contributor but has yet to develop a single differentiating NBA skill. Tolga Adanali/Euroleague Basketball via Getty Images
Deni Avdija | 2020 draft: No. 9 (Washington Wizards)

It's far too early to write the 21-year-old Avdija off after 136 career games. The fact that he has evolved into a versatile defender while playing all 82 games and shooting a career-best 76% from the free throw line last season is a major step in the right direction (that was a pre-draft concern for most of his skeptics when projecting his 3-point shooting). Avdija showed more glimpses of shot creation than ever toward the end of the regular season. Although I still project Avdija as an eventual starter on a playoff team, I personally had him third overall behind LaMelo Ball (first) and Anthony Edwards (second), just ahead of Tyrese Haliburton. I dubbed him the "steal of the draft" when the Wizards selected him ninth overall. In retrospect, I should have saved that line for Tyrese Maxey, whom I had in the top 10 and was selected 21st overall.

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So, what are the biggest things I've learned from ranking Avdija that high? For one, I think it's important that you can identify at least one "NBA skill" when evaluating prospects. Of course, in today's positionless NBA you have to be able to do multiple things, but I always tell young players, "Why is the coach going to look down the end of the bench and put you in the game? What's your superpower that you do better than almost anyone on the team." While Avdija did a little of everything on both ends of the floor, pushing in transition, attacking downhill, making occasional 3s and showing off the potential to develop into a versatile defender, he didn't quite have one elite skill he could hang his hat on every night regardless of the opponent. On top of that, I've learned that potential top-three-caliber prospects generally need that sense of inner calm that allows them to take over games, along with the skill set to make shots off the dribble, if they're going to ultimately blossom into a wing creator like I projected Avdija to become. Avdija often played a little too sped up, which has helped him become a great defender but is also a reason it has taken time for him to slow down offensively. The shooting off the dribble was a bit of an adventure as well, and he's a career 31% from 3 so far.











As we identify an elite skill for the prospects toward the top of this draft, Chet Holmgren has his rim protection, Jabari Smith has his shooting, Banchero has his ball handling, Jaden Ivey has his speed and burst. While Keegan Murray is maybe a good-not-great shooter, he does have that inner calm to take over games. There are several projected lottery prospects, however, who don't quite have an elite skill, at least from an NBA perspective. On top of that, I've also learned how your brain can find comfort in prospects you've evaluated closely for a longer period. That was the case for Avdija, whom I had scouted in person arguably as much as any other prospect since I've been doing this. It's important to not equate all those evaluations with surefire future success. -- Schmitz

Jonathan Givony is an NBA draft expert and the founder and co-owner of DraftExpress.com, a private scouting and analytics service used by NBA, NCAA and international teams.

Mike Schmitz is an NBA draft expert and a contributor to DraftExpress.com, a private scouting and analytics service used by NBA, NCAA and international teams.

What a game.

Tough look for the C’s, tough win for Giannis

Fingers crossed for a game 7

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on both ends. my god

The block on the prior possession was more than enough

It was pretty great

and he's long and athletic so he can play bigger.

makes zero sense.

either way, this game is probably over down 27 at half and Brown coaching the rest of the way.

Mike Brown aint up for this

i get that he's a defensive coach, but when they said, on the broadcast, that he to do a cram session to learn the offense, i was like "this explains so much."

rebounding shitty too.

at least when they were ice cold before they played d and secured boards.

this just looks like a team with no prep/gameplan right now.

That four turnover sequence was especially impressive. Even for us lol

Also hope JJJ is aiight.

just saying.

why do you have your best players in there risking injury.

SMH.

Jokes aside , Tyus Jones is a solid cerebral point guard / steadying player

Basa was right about him

>Embiid cleared concussion protocols, upgraded to
>doubtful/game-time decision.
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>*skatin' the rings of saturn*
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>..and miles to go before i sleep...

Told you about T.Jones and Memphis being better without Ja.

Memphis should be up in this series.

Jones is the best backup PG in the league.....come to Chicago, bro!

They took their Bozacks out on GS, and they dominated them in the
last game.

https://twitter.com/malika_andrews/status/1524480200913739776

confidence.

that being said, giving the other team bulletin board material just NEVER seems like a good idea.

Also, I laughed:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cdch05TDnB8/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

I think there's...26 teams that'd love to have Jones starting for them next year. Warriors, Suns, Grizzlies, Hawks are not those teams. Grizzlies have to buy into Ja until the wheels fall off. You can't predict that even if you want to hold D. Rose against him. Maybe one or two more I can't think of after a bar session?


Might just be the shortened first name but he kinda reminds me of Ty Lawson in the previous era without an alcohol problem. He just makes what you want to do work and if he has to make it work himself, he's crafty enough to figure it out.

>I think there's...26 teams that'd love to have Jones starting
>for them next year. Warriors, Suns, Grizzlies, Hawks are not
>those teams.

Mavs? Spurs? Cavs? Hornets? Bulls? Heat? Raptors? Bucks? Pelicans?

worst since..., top 5 worst..., etc.

steph and klay are having their worst playoffs in terms of 3 pt shooting i believe.

it feels like a team on borrowed time vs being a true contender.

Guys like Durant, (yes) Westbrook and, sure, Rudy Gay make it seem like achilles injuries are nothing much, while the ACL return still feels a little magical or at least on a bit of a sine wave pattern but I'd always understood both injuries to fuck with lateral movement, ie. staying in front of guys on defense, cutting on offense, driving to the basket and help defense on monsters like Giannis or pre-hammy Harden.


Klay is in a weird spot because on all of these things, except maybe one on one, he usually looks like he's still got the passion, drive, physicality and awareness to show up for all of these things. He's wide open when he should be, he's bodied up when he has to be, he's the second man with his hands up about as efficiently as he should be, yet...it feels like whatever he gets off, buckets or denial, is a hoop god miracle. I wonder if it looks good to NBA players in the film room? I really don't know.


But as an outside observer, watching him against these young guys...I feel my own age. He NEEDS to hit those spot up shots, much sooner than later.


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before the injury though. I would be more concerned if Klay lost speed or lateral movement defensively since that was a key factor for him defending on the wing. I haven't been watching the Warriors consistently enough to opine on that aspect since I refuse to stay up late to watch West Coast games during the week.

It was maybe a 20 point game when I left the sports bar

Dubs better not go back to Memphis. This team without Jah is a problem.

because w/out Ja, Memphis gets BIGGER. size is GS's biggest weakness.

and the problem is: it's not like the guys filling in are a Jokic-like stiff that they can just abuse on the offense end. the closest Memphis has to a "stiff" is Stephen Adams but he ain't THAT stiff and he does a lot of good things around the rim for them.

now, that being said, IF Kerr is back for game 6, i think GS wins by 10+ at home.

*IF* Kerr is still out??? this shit might be going back to Memphis.

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>and the problem is: it's not like the guys filling in are a
>Jokic-like stiff that they can just abuse on the offense end.
>the closest Memphis has to a "stiff" is Stephen Adams but he
>ain't THAT stiff and he does a lot of good things around the
>rim for them.
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which makes me want to start drinking today

>because w/out Ja, Memphis gets BIGGER. size is GS's biggest
>weakness.

Ja is bigger that Tyus Jones

Ja is thinner. Weight is more important than height when it comes to standing
your ground on defense, which is why Jones is the better defender.

Ja can easily be pushed around by Curry and Poole...not so much against
Jones.

Same reason why Boston can’t put Tatum on Giannis, even though he has the height.
He doesn’t have the weight or volume to stop Giannis’ penetration, so they put a
thicker player on him like Williams or Hortford.

down by 50 with 9 minutes left

let me get some sleep

and joining in the "Whoop That Trick" moment... I had to laugh.

that said, no one pointed out that Steph was right next to him w/ a towel over his head laughing and kinda boppin around too.

they had CHECKED OUT.

the reason why Dray and Steph can do what they want is because they've actually achieved greatness and done shit in this league.

when Karl Anthony "Bum Ass" Towns does something? get at us.

Draymond with his 2 points can dance during a 50 pt blowout cuz he was on a team that win a title years ago, but KAT shouldn’t hush the road crowd after hitting a 3.

Lol…. You ain’t even trying to make sense now are you?

achieve things? people grant you leeway because you've proven yourself.

never achieved anything? shut your dumb ass up.

thus, here we are.

ALSO, i wasn't making any commentary about Dr. Claw's observation OTHER than that his hate of Draymond is enduring.

Rookie of the Year
All Star
All-NBA

Never achieved anything would be Terrence Ross.

You classified Doc's disgust with Dray as hate. But your disgust was rooted in some dumb ass rules you're making up as you go along.

How?

That's also hate.

In the sense that he's disappeared in big moments, does stupid shit like slitting throats only to lose the game, etc.

And see, that's where i'm consistent.

as I said up above in the post about Steph and his "whoop that trick" comment, much like I did for KAT - probably not good Karma to be doing shit like that. usually bites you in the ass.

but at least Steph has earned the right to talk his shit. KAT? FOH.

LOL @ you thinking I care about Terrence Ross' career. He's a CAREER underachiever *rimshot*

I knew he was gonna be that about halfway thru his UW "career".

see? see how I can be honest and realistic about a player from my school.

would be awesome if you could do the same.

but clearly you love wack and corny.

there is no way to defend those dudes dancing whole down by 50.

if they lose this series they getting flamed over that dumb shit.

Kerr probably mad af at these clowns for that shit.

sit yo ass down

is the dumbest shit I have ever seen

sit yo ass down

on First Stake and ESPN sportscenter. He is cut from that Louis Reddick cloth.
He isn’t silly or fiery , and he doesn’t shuck and jive. He is well spoken and he personifies class.

I hope he does some some color commentating, too, since he has decided not
to return as an assistant coach for the Nets.

Harden better be on, that grease is bubbling.

where if you're flipping channels and it's on...you watch it.

Harden will be fine. He is a hooper. At his worst, he will get you 20/10.

He will get an off-season to workout, which he couldn’t do last summer
because he had a torn hamstring. He had to let it heal during the summer.

Give him a new contract with incentives.

I can't blame anyone for throwing the max at Harden but that contract, like many of the supermaxes for aging players, is going to look awful come year 3.

.

He's 34.

I should not have watched the video.

then I watched the slow motion reply.

Sixers are done


Danny Green injury was gruesome

Sixers really chose Simmons over Butler ....


Embiid cleared concussion protocols, upgraded to
>doubtful/game-time decision.
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>*skatin' the rings of saturn*
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>..and miles to go before i sleep...

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..and the other on the tour bus with Lil Baby.

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1 shot in each quarter of the second half.

Bring in D’Antoni

It's not that it's bad he's washed, it's the fact that dude doesn't even remotely pretend to try. TWO SHOTS in the second half of an elimination game. The second shot came in garbage time toward the end of the game

Sixers got a lazy and maybe washed former MVP

Nets got a physically and mentally fragile man child

Both teams collapsed as soon as they got punched in the mouth

Don’t be like “time will tell”…nah.

Durant made his bed so I don’t really have any sympathy for him, but Embiid has to just deal with all these shitheads one after another. Gotta be exhausting. To think he begged for Badass Bradley Beal and got the Bearded Buffet Buster instead smh

>Sixers got a lazy and maybe washed former MVP

Wtf is in the water in S.Philly??? lol

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In regards to Luka:

JJ: “he is a player that supersedes the game.” ( what?..lol)

Mark Jones: “Transcends is the word “

And people used to give Chris Webber a hard time about his coverage.
He was ten times better than JJ

https://twitter.com/NBCSPhilly/status/1524931110769139725

nobody picked yall to be anywhere when you first got to philly?

dude acting like hes coaching the cavs.

>Embiid cleared concussion protocols, upgraded to
>doubtful/game-time decision.
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>*skatin' the rings of saturn*
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>..and miles to go before i sleep...

but that’s not who he is, anymore (c)Embiid

https://nypost.com/2022/05/13/jimmy-butler-gets-last-laugh-on-76ers-tobias-harris-over-me/

Other than Jo and Maxey…everyone can go
Glenn, Morey, Elton, Harden, Tobi, Thybulle…everybody…and take Franklin with you…
F’n embarrassment to the city
MIA is more Philly than the sixers…SMH

What can not be denied
Through the annual roster changes
Coaches
GMs
…this team just doesn’t have any dawg in them…
We can’t have a roster of nice guys in 22/23
We need a PJ Tucker type that will throw bows when it goes down
Not this turtling in the big moments
4 years of the same $hit

I would’ve partied on an ECF birth like it was a chip
Can’t even let me have that.